Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2007
Help..my cat is freaking out and it's scaring the heck out of me!
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Kimiko-Nami - 11 Feb 2007 07:08 GMT My cat is blind, and therefore, when she freaks out, she doesn't know what she's attacking, where she's attacking, and probably even why! She just started and is freaking out as I type! She's done it before and when it happens, it lasts for about a week. A long time of no sleep. Right now, she is in the hallway, growling at shadows on the wall, and attacking, hissing and growling at her own tail. When you walk by her, she hisses and growls, then attacks. Luckily though she is declawed, so her attacks don't hurt. I fear for her life. I fear she may have a heart attack and die.
When I mean by freaking out I mean that, she will attack at nothing, the slightest touch on her fur will set her smacking your hand or face. (She does not bite though) She growls and hisses for no reason, even when there is nothing moving, if she runs into something, she will get fiercly upset and start 'beating up' the furniture or wall, eventually falling and then batting at the air. She gets quite scary even though she cannot hurt us. I don't know what to do, setting her in a quiet room in the dark or light even with calming music or none at all doesn't help. Throwing a blanket over her does not help ( I heard it did that's why we tried) Locking her in my dogs kennel (without the dog inside w/ her) but around us doesn't help, and her roaming about so she can get calmer and used to her surroundings again doesn't help. Nothing seems to help. What can i do? I've had her for many years and she is very important to me. Can anyone help?
Matthew - 11 Feb 2007 07:19 GMT sounds like she needs a vet visit sounds like some medication will be needed
> My cat is blind, and therefore, when she freaks out, she doesn't know what > she's attacking, where she's attacking, and probably even why! She just [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > is > very important to me. Can anyone help? Rhonda - 11 Feb 2007 07:34 GMT It does sound like something medical, in addition to her blindness, could be wrong with her. I think she needs a vet visit too. She could be in pain. Some cats will act out when when in pain and being blind is probably doubly scary for her. She could be losing her hearing or any number of things that frighten her or make her feel more defenseless.
I hope you can find the cause and help her get settled down. It doesn't sound like just reassurance is helping her.
Let us know what happens,
Rhonda
> sounds like she needs a vet visit sounds like some medication will be > needed [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>is >>very important to me. Can anyone help? Kimiko-Nami - 11 Feb 2007 08:11 GMT Thank you for your responce, and i think you may be right..te only problem is, is I have to wait when she gets better in order for us to tke her anywhere. She will not allow us to pick her up or even try to get her anywhere. It's also really bad because she does not eat, drink or go to the bathroom when she is like this. It gets pretty serious. She does have a vet appointment on Tue, maybe we can mention her problem then. I never thought about what you said about her maybe hurting or losing hearing and etc. that sounds like a good explination. Thank you both for your advices. I appreciate it..
(If anyone else can help, please do)
>It does sound like something medical, in addition to her blindness, >could be wrong with her. I think she needs a vet visit too. She could be [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>>is >>>very important to me. Can anyone help? Captain Bob - 11 Feb 2007 09:50 GMT > (If anyone else can help, please do) When Tania gets very upset at something, we put some "Rescue Remedy" [ http://www.entirelypets.com/bachmain.html?gclid=CLbz0-mEpooCFRgXgQodVWXzpw ] on her paws. After a few minutes of her cleaning it off, she is quite a bit calmer. Good luck! Bob
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Kimiko-Nami - 11 Feb 2007 10:40 GMT Hmm, sounds like a good plan to me! I'll do anything to keep her calm. Thank you for the suggestion and the link. I'll try it out.
>> (If anyone else can help, please do) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Bob Stick Waver - 11 Feb 2007 15:17 GMT > Thank you for your responce, and i think you may be right..te only problem is, > is I have to wait when she gets better in order for us to tke her anywhere. > She will not allow us to pick her up or even try to get her anywhere. Have you tried throwing a towel over her and scooping her up?
> It's also really bad because she does not eat, drink or go to the bathroom > when she is like this. It gets pretty serious. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>>is >>>>very important to me. Can anyone help? Rhonda - 11 Feb 2007 19:50 GMT Kimiko, not eating is a problem. Cats can't go more than 24 hours or so before it starts affecting their liver.
Is there any way to get food into her now? Can you wrap her in a towel with her head out and try to syringe feed her? We've used meat baby food (no onions in it) mixed with water, or wet cat food blenderized with water. She'll need this done today if she's gone a few days already. If you can't do it you may need to get her into an emergency clinic.
Good luck with her,
Rhonda
> Thank you for your responce, and i think you may be right..te only problem is, > is I have to wait when she gets better in order for us to tke her anywhere. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>>is >>>>very important to me. Can anyone help? Louis - 11 Feb 2007 14:52 GMT > My cat is blind, and therefore, when she freaks out, she doesn't know what > she's attacking, where she's attacking, and probably even why! She just [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Nothing seems to help. What can i do? I've had her for many years and she is > very important to me. Can anyone help? Sounds like she is afraid and angry about her situation. I think you should calmly/firmly/lovingly explain to her what is going on and what you expect from her. Tell her you understand she is frightened and feeling bad. Ask her what she wants. Communicate at a conscious level. Get in touch with her feelings as well as your own. Also consider what is going on in your own life, as animals often reflect what is going on with their owners. Has there been any big changes or events lately? Is there some bottled up anger that you have?
Regards, Louis
bookie - 11 Feb 2007 17:19 GMT > My cat is blind, and therefore, when she freaks out, she doesn't know what > she's attacking, where she's attacking, and probably even why! She just [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Nothing seems to help. What can i do? I've had her for many years and she is > very important to me. Can anyone help? a trip to the vets is in order i think, how old is she? maybe she is having some kind of seizure or small scale stroke (sorry i do not mean to scare you) which could explain the freaky behaviour, it may be treatable by medication, anti-seizure drugs possibly.
have you tried also using a feliway diffuser in your house? if it is that she is just frightened and there are no real neurological problems going on then a feliway diffuser may help to calm her down along with the other suggestions people have put here (rescue remedy etc).
first thing though is to take her to a vets and make sure they giev her a thorough check over, ask if they think she may have developed some sort of neurological problem.
best of luck, bookie
Tara Legale - 11 Feb 2007 17:51 GMT As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life?
Matthew - 11 Feb 2007 17:58 GMT Yes other sense take over and adapt to the situation think of a blind person so they have a good life?
> As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a > question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life? cybercat - 11 Feb 2007 18:16 GMT > As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a > question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life? Do a Google search of this group for Duffy. He is Mary L.'s cat. That will answer your question. Also, a cat named Jasper Dudley is a good example of a blind cat having a wonderful life.
cindys - 11 Feb 2007 18:29 GMT > As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a > question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life? -------- Can a blind person have a good quality of life? Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Tara Legale - 11 Feb 2007 23:04 GMT > Can a blind person have a good quality of life? Please don't get defensive and think this through. I think it is vastly different between a cat and a person being blind. If a cat could see and then went blind, I would imagine them being more scared or confused. A blind person can speak, hear and ask questions, use a walking stick to feel their way around, etc. People can find pleasure in their other senses left. Can a cat find pleasure in hearing birds chirping outside, and not seeing the birds they know they should be able to see? They can't reason with that void in their life. I think it would be immensely confusing to a cat and would think their quality of life would really suffer, not to mention the dangers of bumping into things, falling down stairs, not being able to navigate and jump up on things. However, if a cat was born blind than I can see where they might adapt better because they wouldn't know what they were missing, however I still think their quality of life is minimal.
Lynne - 11 Feb 2007 23:38 GMT on Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:04:49 GMT, "Tara Legale" <lawyershalloffame@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I still think their quality of life is minimal. You're wrong, and I'm sure Mary L and other owners of blind cats would agree.
My mom had a cat that went blind and he adapted just fine--very quickly, in fact. He was playful and happy and affectionate. He also got around just fine. Unfortunately, he succombed to other health problems, but I have no doubt he would have had just as full and good a life as her seeing cat does.
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cindys - 12 Feb 2007 00:05 GMT >> Can a blind person have a good quality of life? > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they wouldn't know what they were missing, however I still think their > quality of life is minimal. ---------- In later years, cats and dogs can develop cataracts or more frequently develop a condition called *nuclear sclerosis* as part of the aging process. In the situation with a cataract, the animal can essentially become blind and a surgical procedure is possible to correct the situation. With nuclear sclerosis, the vision dims, but the animal generally doesn't become completely blind, and there is no treatment AFAIK. As Alvin, our dog, was aging, he developed nuclear sclerosis. When we were discussing the situation with our vet, she explained that animals adapt so well to this loss of vision that sometimes they have gone completely blind or nearly so, and the owner will never even realize this is the case. When Molly, our cat, was nearly 17, you could see that eyes were very cloudy (looked like cataracts but was nuclear sclerosis), she was still able to jump a distance of several feet from one counter top to the next and also from the floor to the counter without missing. I am certain she knew how to do this from experience, as her vision must have been very poor judging from appearances. If I had to guess, I would say that animals probably adapt much more readily than humans. If I were looking to adopt an additional cat and a blind one came my way, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
Rhonda - 12 Feb 2007 02:53 GMT Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat.
Rhonda
> Please don't get defensive and think this through. I think it is vastly > different between a cat and a person being blind. If a cat could see and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > see where they might adapt better because they wouldn't know what they were > missing, however I still think their quality of life is minimal. Tara Legale - 12 Feb 2007 03:38 GMT > Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. I'll post again whenever I feel like it. I see nothing wrong with what I wrote.
Tara Legale - 12 Feb 2007 03:42 GMT > Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. I wasn't making any statements against blind cats. If you look at my first post it was an innocent question. I just am trying to understand if a cat can live a good life blind. Then someone asked if a blind person can, obviously being sarcastic, and I replied trying to sort out the possible differences between people and cats. I meant no harm in my inquiry, people shouldn't be so sensitive and defensive when someone asks a question.
Rhonda - 12 Feb 2007 04:36 GMT >>Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > differences between people and cats. I meant no harm in my inquiry, people > shouldn't be so sensitive and defensive when someone asks a question. Tara, take your own advice and don't get sensitive and defensive. Yes, you can post whenever you like and say whatever you want. So can I.
Listen to some of us who have lived with blind cats and who have seen how resilient they can be. They don't dwell on negatives like us humans, they keep going with whatever they have. They purr, they play, they get excited at dinner time... Mary has a younger one who loves to climb cat trees!
I would love to know what you think after living with a blind cat and seeing it first-hand for yourself.
Rhonda
cindys - 12 Feb 2007 05:05 GMT >> Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > inquiry, people shouldn't be so sensitive and defensive when someone asks > a question. -------- It's difficult to understand someone's tone on Usenet. Any time "quality of life," issues arise (be it an animal or a person), the implication is that if someone does not have a good "quality of life" perhaps the person/animal would be better off dead. Obviously, we don't put humans "out of their misery", but with animals, we have that option. I read your question to be a subtle suggestion that perhaps blind cats belonged in this category, particularly since you were arguing that they did not have a good quality of life. If people here had agreed with you, in what direction would the conversation have naturally begun to flow? If that was not your implication, I apologize, but I don't think I'm the only person here who thought that was where you were heading. Best regards, ---Cindy S.
bookie - 12 Feb 2007 15:27 GMT > >> Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. i certainly got the sense that the conversation was going in the direction of "shouldn't we just put cats with the smallest disability to sleep" which is something which would have got me posting away furiously in anger. I woudl then have to ask why we don't put humans to sleep permamanantly when they become blind/deaf/paralysed etc of anyone who supported this abhorrent idea, as to me it is the same.
although the life of a cat is to me just as precious as that of a human (maybe even more so; how many cats are as malicious as humans, how many have contributed as extensively to the destruction of our planet as humans?) and as such i would not hear of such an outrageous proposition, there are some differences as has been outlined already by previous posters. Cats do not dwell on the past, they do nto have the same capacity for language which is required for this and they do not consciously miss a sense once it has gone, they just adapt as though nothing has happened. We have not yet established whether this cat has been blind from birth or not yet (or have we?) in which case it would not know what it is missing, much like a human who has been blind from birth, which obviously will have an effect on what is going on here.
I think we must put our on dependancy on sight onto cats without realising that they in fact have a 6th sense whereby they 'taste' smells using the jacobson organ in the roof of the mouth, which may also come into play much more strongly when they lose another sense. I wonder if you could talk to a cat and tell it that humans do not have this ability to taste the air whether the cat might not pity us and think that we must have such a poor quality of life for not having this extra sense!
something you must understand before postign to this group is that the majority of people here are very pro-cat welfare and may have or have had cats which have been rescued from shelters and quite literally snatched back from the jaws of death where they had been taken purely because their previous owners considered them to be unsuitable, undesirable, substandard, or unlovable purely because of a minor disability such as blindness or in some cases because the cat did not match the wallpaper or the family got 'bored' of it (that still does my head in, who says the cat did not get bored of the family a long time before?). Therefore any slight hint that a cat should be disposed of simply because it has a minor disability or is not picture perfect in someone's eyes is going to raise a wave of outrage here amongst people who choose to fill their lives and their homes with such feline 'outcasts', and understandably so.
anyway my own outcast is demanding attention so i must go and attend to her needs for fuss and adoration. bookie
ps, another top tip, declawing is not exactly popular here either before you go down that road too
Reel McKoi - 22 Mar 2007 02:08 GMT > > Tara, post again once you've lived with a blind cat. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > differences between people and cats. I meant no harm in my inquiry, people > shouldn't be so sensitive and defensive when someone asks a question. Its a hell of anote to support and be a cat killer like Tara Legale....Maybe that fat a.s needs to have her a.s whippped instead. The odassity to arbitrarily up and killa cat just because its blind is insane.
Phil P. - 12 Feb 2007 20:08 GMT > > Can a blind person have a good quality of life? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Can a cat find pleasure in hearing birds chirping outside, and not seeing > the birds they know they should be able to see? They can't reason with that
> void in their life. I think it would be immensely confusing to a cat and > would think their quality of life would really suffer, not to mention the > dangers of bumping into things, falling down stairs, not being able to > navigate and jump up on things. However, if a cat was born blind than I can > see where they might adapt better because they wouldn't know what they were > missing, however I still think their quality of life is minimal. Having worked with several blind cats, I can say with absolute certainty, you are absolutely wrong. In fact, you couldn't possibly be *more* wrong! You need to speak with people who actually have blind cats, or who've worked with blind cats. IOW, people who know what they're talking about.
Our cat Bitsy is a shining example of the insuppressible resilience of the cat. She's been blind for almost a year now, and if you didn't see she had no eyes, you wouldn't know she was blind! It took her a few weeks to map her environment in her mind. Now, she navigates and *jumps* with ease.
She sits by the windows and crouches when she hears birds, and-even runs from window to window to follow the birds- exactly like a sighted cat. She runs up and down stairs just as fast- if not actually faster than the other cats in the house. Most of her toys have bells or rattlers inside that she swats around as if she sees them. When the toys stop rolling, she pounces on them with pin-point accuracy.
No one can convince me that she's not a happy cat or her quality of life is minimal!
Rhonda - 11 Feb 2007 19:47 GMT We wondered about that too -- you can't talk to them and tell them what's going on and why everything is dark. You can't tell them not to walk into that closet because they'll have trouble finding their way out...
Our cat went blind and she adapted very well. I think she was losing her sight for awhile, thinking back about it now, but she did so well that we didn't notice until she stepped right into her food bowl. I had wondered why she didn't join in at play time any more. She just sat behind the cats who were playing.
Anyway, I think cats don't worry about what they've lost, they just do the best with what they have. We had to make sure she didn't have access to stairs, that sort of thing, but she had no trouble finding the litter box and doing much of her normal routine. She would purr and she seemed happy.
Rhonda
> As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a > question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life? Phil P. - 12 Feb 2007 20:08 GMT > As a cat owner for many years, but never having a blind cat, I have a > question. Can a blind cat have a good quality of life? A blind cat can not only have a good quality of life, but in fact a better quality of life than a blind human. Cats don't attach the emotional bondage to being blind that humans do. Cats just do what they do best-- adapt.
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Cheryl - 11 Feb 2007 18:35 GMT > Nothing seems to help. What can i do? I've had her for many > years and she is very important to me. Can anyone help? See if anything in this article sounds familiar. Good luck with her! http://www.purelypets.com/articles/felinehyperesthesia.htm
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Lynne - 11 Feb 2007 20:27 GMT > I've had her for many years and she is > very important to me. Can anyone help? The advice you have received to have her checked out by a vet is very good. Please discuss this at your visit Tuesday and consider having a full blood panel done in case she has something going on that can be detected by it.
I know you said you can't pick her up when she is like this, but one of the things I have done with my 3 year old, when he would occasionally and apparently randomly act out and attack, was to pick him up, hold him like a baby and use my lips to "bathe" him, like a mama cat would do. I rub my lips all over his face, chin and head, with quick motions like a mama cat uses to bathe her little ones. This always gets him calm and purring, almost immediately. I also do this when he gets frustrated with the kitten and it always restores his good mood.
I recommend that you do this on occasions when she is already calm in order to get her used to it before trying it when she's upset. Both of my cats love this treatment and relax like babies when I "bathe" them. I don't do it for too long, though--cats can get overstimulated and that makes them unhappy. Even if you don't do this specifically, find something that you know makes her feel good that you can use to soothe her when she's upset. Since she is blind, I would also make a point to talk to her while you are comforting her, in soothing, sweet tones. I wouldn't try anything new when she's already upset, especially since she is blind and won't know what is happening.
I hope that you are able to discover what is wrong and make her feel better, very soon.
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Kimiko-Nami - 12 Feb 2007 04:46 GMT >> I've had her for many years and she is >> very important to me. Can anyone help? Thank you for all your help, it's still going on, and from what I read from your responces, now I'm really scared. The fact is, is I can't pick her up, she'll only freak out more, she won't eat at all, not even when we tried the towel thing, I don't have a siringe (sorry if i misspelled it) and I can't take her to the emergency room because I cannot drive for I am only 15 and my parents can't really drive her right now. It's later and I don't think any vets are open.
To answer some of your question from what i remember reading, -she is 14 years old -yes she has adapted very well with her blindness...although, i feel foolish for not pointing the fact that she is not completely, blind, she can see only shadows, but i'd say her vision is about 1-3% which isn't very much. -I cannot pick her up, if I do, she will freak out even more, and if i even try to touch her, she will go insane -ONe of you said that her actions may be caused because of some changes or how I am feeling. Yes there have been changes, I have not been at home as much, and have not been paying as much attention to her as much as I probably should, for I have been busy. I have been in a lower mood, my sadness has increased lately for issues i will not state. Could that be the cause?
This is the second day she has not eaten or drinken...could that kill her? I am so worried.
bookie - 12 Feb 2007 15:32 GMT > >> I've had her for many years and she is > >> very important to me. Can anyone help? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Message posted via CatKB.comhttp://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-health/200702/1 just get her to a vet asap, get your parents to drive you with her or get a taxi when the vets are open, no need to be scared, at least you aer donig the right thing by askign some questions for her sake
ebsterily - 12 Feb 2007 02:39 GMT I have a blind dog & he gets around good. I wouldnt move anything around. I would also spend alot of time calming her down - it must be very frightening for her. reward her with treats & get her purring. I dont know what a vet could do. I believe she will adapt to ner blindness. You have to be very patient. I wouldnt sneak up on her & say her name before you touch her so she doesnt get startled. Best of luck - Im sure that she means very much to you & you will work it out. You can send me a pix & I put her up on my website. www.jzigns.com under our friends
> My cat is blind, and therefore, when she freaks out, she doesn't know what > she's attacking, where she's attacking, and probably even why! She just [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Nothing seems to help. What can i do? I've had her for many years and she is > very important to me. Can anyone help? Kimiko-Nami - 12 Feb 2007 04:52 GMT Thank you, but see, she has been blind her whole life, she is used to it. She gets adapted very well with new surroundings. She in fact has moved her whole life, with the fact that she has been living with marines. Every house we've lived in, she's been ok. Even those with stairs. So, I'm sure it's not her adapting problem, i'm starting to think she could be injured for some reason, or she may be getting sick, or even worse, a slight stroke. Thank you for your help though, it is appreciated. I'm sorry i do not have any pix for you though. None on my computer at least. Thanks again.
>I have a blind dog & he gets around good. I wouldnt move anything Captain Bob - 12 Feb 2007 21:31 GMT Our Tania "freaks out" when she hears certain sounds. Notably, those high-pitched repetitive "music notes" emitted by cell phones. She will viciously attack anyone nearby when she hears it. Once we realized what the trigger was, we eliminated the trigger. No one comes aboard (we live on a boat) with cell phones which are not set to vibrate. Somehow, you need to identify and eliminate the trigger(s) which represent a threat to your cat.
Bob
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Lynne - 12 Feb 2007 22:04 GMT on Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:31:08 GMT, Captain Bob <bob@tania.servebbs.org> wrote:
> we live on a boat Oooh, color me envious!
I once chartered a sailboat in the Virgin Islands. The captain and his wife "guaranteed sunshine." They had a very cool cat on the boat with us named Sunshine. :)
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