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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2007Lilly has been sprung from jail & is liberated
Wow, what a day it has been...All the action kicked off @ 9.30am when the vet turned up for work. Both Paul & I were waiting for her because we were determined to sort out what was going to happen to poor old Lilly over the weekend as we were already aware that there would be no one there to care for her from 12pm today, until 8 am on Monday morning. We had already called the Cat Protection League, to ask if we were allowed to ask for our cat back & they told us that it was our right to , & if we encountered any problems, that we should call the police...So baring that in mind..... We had already spent hours trying to figure out what the best thing to do might be, & came to the conclusion that shouting our heads off was going to get us no where...So we tried diplomacy, much as It wrankled me to do so.... I started by greeting her & asking if we might see Lilly for a little while, which she agreed to. After a few minutes that it took for Paul to read her care plan and care sheet's, we were both in agreement that* We Had To Get Her OUT NOW*!! Having already called the Cromwell Clinic in Huntingdon, our nearest town to ask if they might take over her care because we were concerned about the fact that the clinic she was currently in, didn't offer 24 hour care Which we felt was vitally important as she was only 24 hours out of a very serious operation. The clinic welcomed gladly & knowing this, we set to work on the vet. We started by asking what care Lilly would receive over the weekend, & she told us that she would try & pop in tomorrow to make sure that Lilly had clean water, food and & blankets too (Note: No litter???) At this point we expressed our concerns regarding this matter, & asked her if she would mind terribly if we were to move her to a surgery where they had 24 hour care because we felt that she needed it. Couple that with the fact that it might make her weekend easier as Lilly was her only cell mate, she agreed that she wouldn't mind. I could whooped for joy because I had been dreading that moment all last night & this morning!! It took us roughly 5 minutes to load her up, I.v ,and all her care notes & got to the desk to collect all of her other notes her notes and to be handed the bill for her care thus far... I am dying to tell you what the bill was because I nearly fell through the concrete floor, SERIOUSLY!! (you must bare in mind that she spent 2 nights there, had an xray & I was told that she charged £45 to spay a cat, plus her antibiotics! injection, & 4pills to take with us) The Grand Total came to £367.34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I nearly had a a heart attack! If you convert that into $, I suppose it would be around $680 I couldn't believe my ears...... I settled £150 because that was what I had on me @ the time, & walked out the door to freedom, by which time Lilly was nearly squeezing through the wicker basket to get to us because she was SO HAPPY:o) We took her straight down to the Cromwell Surgery & they looked at her the moment we walked through the door;in fact there was a vet waiting for us there!! After a 20minute thorough inspection of her, & her notes too, the vet looked at me & said "you know a fair amount about cat's, don't you"? I admitted I knew a little, so he took both Paul & I into another consulting room & told us that he was going to show us how to set her drip up & that as long as we were happy & confident, that he thought the best place for her, would be at home... It was getting better by the moment. We went in & within 5 Min's I had managed to insert the line and had her onto antibiotics and re hydration drip too; we were told to only use the hydration drip if she didn't drink orally (which I note the previous vet had charged me £24.26!!) He injected Lilly with marbocyl1% & also gave us the antibiotics that she needed, but orally, because in all of the time that we spent @ the Cromwell..Lilly nearly drank 1/2 a pint of water..!! ( he gave us more Marbocyl @20 mg) So roughly an hour later, we paid the bill for the injection, the antibiotics to give her orally & the consultation fee. Broken down that was: consultation £15 Marbocyl inj £4 Tablets(same as above)££7.20 Bloods £31.90 & drip in case of need Cristapen 600mg £4 A grand total of £ 62.10. Slightly different from the other bill I would say... Mind you she did the op which cost us £159 xray£37 and the rest was for consultation ,antibiotics, CARE @ NIGHT???? & other drugs and fees too... We thanked the vet @ the Cromwell, then settled the bill in full & jumped straight in the car & brought her home.... We have to take her back to the Cromwell in 3 days & they will take her stitches out, but after that she should be fine. Thankfully there appears to be no post op infection, but if we even feel slightly concerned or worried, we can take her down to them, or they will come out to see her, whichever we would prefer. I can't believe the difference in the relationship between the patient and vet, or the facilities either. I can honestly say that is the best thing that we have ever done to help our cats. & the saying you don't know what your missing if you have never had it ,comes to mind. It was like entering a different world, truely it was. Since bringing Lilly home she has been so happy..all of the other cats wanted to be near her of course, but we have set up a little separate area for her, so that she has the peace an quite that she needs,. Her own litter which she gladly hoped straight on to, too!! She wolfed down a bowl full of whiskers , then got straight on to a nice bowl of dry Iams as well- Boy she was hungry!! I can't help but wonder why the previous vet would have kept her caged and penned for the weekend if it was not to charge me for it. Perhaps my opinion is a bit distorted given recent events, but she had no intention of allowing her home to us, & if there was going to be no one there, I couldn't see the point of keeping her for anything else? I am just pleased that it is all over now & that she will make a full recovery. she seems delighted to be home and I can assure you that we are delighted to have her too I DO have to admit, that all the way to huntingdon Paul was muttering away under his breath thing's like, Bloody Cats...costs more than the damned cat did...She can swing for it...& several other unmentionable things, but I can see by Lilly drapped all over him right now that it couldn't have been that terrible or he would never have helped me spring her out of jail, lol She is still dribbling everywhere but the Cromwell think that she does in fact have a touch of Flu as we suspected HAIL LIILY THE BRAVE...A HAPPY ENDING TO TO A TERRIBLE STORY & Thanks to all of you for your support too.. You have all been brilliant in the small hours of the morning Soothing Purrs to you all compliments of Lilly- Pads the brave S;o) Ps: I have added a few photos for you to look at if you would like to. Some of them are of our normal Lilly, the others are of her this afternoon after we brought her home too http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyIsSprungFromJail Fabulous! Cats do sooo much better at home! That vet shouldn't be allowed to practice if that's the kind of care she gives. She should be reported to which ever agency licenses vets in the UK. What she did is malpractise pure and simple. I don't know why she wouldn't give her antibiotics. I'm really really happy for Lilly and you after such a nightmare! Hugs and purrs from me and my troop of cats! bonnie > Fabulous! Cats do sooo much better at home! That vet shouldn't be allowed > to practice if that's the kind of care she gives. She should be reported to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > bonnie Oh, believe me , I have every intention as soon as Lilly is better!! In fact the Cromwell surgery recommended that we did & are willing to support our case too!! I am just pleased that she is alive quite frankly & having her home is like a dream. Unfortunately she has gained a nick name...it is Slobber chops,lol!! S;o) Sheelagh, I'm so glad you have brought her home and that there is no sign of infection! I'm a firm believer that hospitals are the worst place to really heal and that they aren't to be used unless they can't be avoided. I'm sure you will be able to nurse Lilly back to full health better than anyone else possibly could. As to the vet who gave her less than sub-standard care, I would challenge that bill. Especially the charges for overnight care. You've seen the care notes and you know she didn't provide that care. Not only that, she abandoned her for a full day. Go through the bill and calculate the valid charges, pay the balance of them and include an itemized statement of what you will not pay and why. Include your recollection of the care notes. Hopefully that will be the end of it, but if not, have the Animal Care League step in on your behalf if they will. Never patronize that vet again (if you can possibly avoid it), but try not to let the anger eat away at you. It won't do you any good at all. As to Lilly's drooling, I am thinking that it could be a reaction to a medication. Rudy foams at the mouth and drools anytime I give him liquid antibiotics (which is thankfully not often at all). Once she is off all of her meds, if the drooling stops, I wouldn't worry about what might have caused it. If it continues, then of course you will need to look into it further. If she had a stroke, she would have other symptoms that would be fairly obvious. Enjoy your darling Lilly, and also those precious kittens!  SignatureLynne > Sheelagh, I'm so glad you have brought her home and that there is no sign > of infection! I'm a firm believer that hospitals are the worst place to [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Lynne Thank you soooooo much!! I forgot to tell you all that I played a sneaky and took the camera to the 1st vets and took a photo of each care note page too,ROFLOL all in Lilly's favour. I anticipated that one:o) S;o) You go, girl! > I forgot to tell you all that I played a sneaky and took the camera to > the 1st vets and took a photo of each care note page too,ROFLOL > Thank you soooooo much!! > I forgot to tell you all that I played a sneaky and took the camera to > the 1st vets and took a photo of each care note page too,ROFLOL > all in Lilly's favour. > I anticipated that one:o) > S;o) ---------- Good for you. It will come in handy for the lawsuit ;-) Best regards, ---Cindy S. > Sheelagh, I'm so glad you have brought her home and that there is no sign > of infection! I'm a firm believer that hospitals are the worst place to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Enjoy your darling Lilly, and also those precious kittens! I absolutely agree with this message. The first vet seems to have charged for care that was not provided. You even have notes to show that you and Paul personally sat outside and waited, but no one arrived for overnight care. Great news to hear that Lilly is doing better! MaryL On 10 Feb, 18:15, "MaryL" <stanco...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote: > > Sheelagh, I'm so glad you have brought her home and that there is no sign > > of infection! I'm a firm believer that hospitals are the worst place to [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you loads and loads mat & Mary too. Your right, after a few weeks(night if I am really lucky lol..).. I do intend to take this bill to task. We have the paperwork here to show, we have Paul sat outside the vets for the night, and the paper shop guy who owns the shop who saw Paul there first thing in the morning( for the paper delivery's), & we have Ross who visited Lilly yesterday & pointed out her notes to me too. She can't really dispute it. As to the charge that she should have had Lilly transferred to a 24hour facility knowing that she had a pyometra case sitting there brewing away for 36 hours in her back room...well...words fail me! I am very angry about that, so the best thing to do would be to calm down for a few days, then look at it objectively instead. Everyone has problems, but if Paul was able to drive to her house personally, I see no reason for not turning up for work... & if there were other issue's, all she had to do was tell us, & we could have taken Lilly elsewhere. I think it is that bit that hurts me most. She is home and drooling all over us, that is all that matters for now Purrs from us to you all too S;o) Glad that she is home. Wow, what a day it has been...All the action kicked off @ 9.30am when the vet turned up for work. Both Paul & I were waiting for her because we were determined to sort out what was going to happen to poor old Lilly over the weekend as we were already aware that there would be no one there to care for her from 12pm today, until 8 am on Monday morning. We had already called the Cat Protection League, to ask if we were allowed to ask for our cat back & they told us that it was our right to , & if we encountered any problems, that we should call the police...So baring that in mind..... We had already spent hours trying to figure out what the best thing to do might be, & came to the conclusion that shouting our heads off was going to get us no where...So we tried diplomacy, much as It wrankled me to do so.... I started by greeting her & asking if we might see Lilly for a little while, which she agreed to. After a few minutes that it took for Paul to read her care plan and care sheet's, we were both in agreement that* We Had To Get Her OUT NOW*!! Having already called the Cromwell Clinic in Huntingdon, our nearest town to ask if they might take over her care because we were concerned about the fact that the clinic she was currently in, didn't offer 24 hour care Which we felt was vitally important as she was only 24 hours out of a very serious operation. The clinic welcomed gladly & knowing this, we set to work on the vet. We started by asking what care Lilly would receive over the weekend, & she told us that she would try & pop in tomorrow to make sure that Lilly had clean water, food and & blankets too (Note: No litter???) At this point we expressed our concerns regarding this matter, & asked her if she would mind terribly if we were to move her to a surgery where they had 24 hour care because we felt that she needed it. Couple that with the fact that it might make her weekend easier as Lilly was her only cell mate, she agreed that she wouldn't mind. I could whooped for joy because I had been dreading that moment all last night & this morning!! It took us roughly 5 minutes to load her up, I.v ,and all her care notes & got to the desk to collect all of her other notes her notes and to be handed the bill for her care thus far... I am dying to tell you what the bill was because I nearly fell through the concrete floor, SERIOUSLY!! (you must bare in mind that she spent 2 nights there, had an xray & I was told that she charged £45 to spay a cat, plus her antibiotics! injection, & 4pills to take with us) The Grand Total came to £367.34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I nearly had a a heart attack! If you convert that into $, I suppose it would be around $680 I couldn't believe my ears...... I settled £150 because that was what I had on me @ the time, & walked out the door to freedom, by which time Lilly was nearly squeezing through the wicker basket to get to us because she was SO HAPPY:o) We took her straight down to the Cromwell Surgery & they looked at her the moment we walked through the door;in fact there was a vet waiting for us there!! After a 20minute thorough inspection of her, & her notes too, the vet looked at me & said "you know a fair amount about cat's, don't you"? I admitted I knew a little, so he took both Paul & I into another consulting room & told us that he was going to show us how to set her drip up & that as long as we were happy & confident, that he thought the best place for her, would be at home... It was getting better by the moment. We went in & within 5 Min's I had managed to insert the line and had her onto antibiotics and re hydration drip too; we were told to only use the hydration drip if she didn't drink orally (which I note the previous vet had charged me £24.26!!) He injected Lilly with marbocyl1% & also gave us the antibiotics that she needed, but orally, because in all of the time that we spent @ the Cromwell..Lilly nearly drank 1/2 a pint of water..!! ( he gave us more Marbocyl @20 mg) So roughly an hour later, we paid the bill for the injection, the antibiotics to give her orally & the consultation fee. Broken down that was: consultation £15 Marbocyl inj £4 Tablets(same as above)££7.20 Bloods £31.90 & drip in case of need Cristapen 600mg £4 A grand total of £ 62.10. Slightly different from the other bill I would say... Mind you she did the op which cost us £159 xray£37 and the rest was for consultation ,antibiotics, CARE @ NIGHT???? & other drugs and fees too... We thanked the vet @ the Cromwell, then settled the bill in full & jumped straight in the car & brought her home.... We have to take her back to the Cromwell in 3 days & they will take her stitches out, but after that she should be fine. Thankfully there appears to be no post op infection, but if we even feel slightly concerned or worried, we can take her down to them, or they will come out to see her, whichever we would prefer. I can't believe the difference in the relationship between the patient and vet, or the facilities either. I can honestly say that is the best thing that we have ever done to help our cats. & the saying you don't know what your missing if you have never had it ,comes to mind. It was like entering a different world, truely it was. Since bringing Lilly home she has been so happy..all of the other cats wanted to be near her of course, but we have set up a little separate area for her, so that she has the peace an quite that she needs,. Her own litter which she gladly hoped straight on to, too!! She wolfed down a bowl full of whiskers , then got straight on to a nice bowl of dry Iams as well- Boy she was hungry!! I can't help but wonder why the previous vet would have kept her caged and penned for the weekend if it was not to charge me for it. Perhaps my opinion is a bit distorted given recent events, but she had no intention of allowing her home to us, & if there was going to be no one there, I couldn't see the point of keeping her for anything else? I am just pleased that it is all over now & that she will make a full recovery. she seems delighted to be home and I can assure you that we are delighted to have her too I DO have to admit, that all the way to huntingdon Paul was muttering away under his breath thing's like, Bloody Cats...costs more than the damned cat did...She can swing for it...& several other unmentionable things, but I can see by Lilly drapped all over him right now that it couldn't have been that terrible or he would never have helped me spring her out of jail, lol She is still dribbling everywhere but the Cromwell think that she does in fact have a touch of Flu as we suspected HAIL LIILY THE BRAVE...A HAPPY ENDING TO TO A TERRIBLE STORY & Thanks to all of you for your support too.. You have all been brilliant in the small hours of the morning Soothing Purrs to you all compliments of Lilly- Pads the brave S;o) Ps: I have added a few photos for you to look at if you would like to. Some of them are of our normal Lilly, the others are of her this afternoon after we brought her home too http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyIsSprungFromJail > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyIsSprungFromJail We got her Rhonda:o) She was so pleased to see us too. If nothing else I have learnt so much from this experience Unfortunately, the trust link has completely broken down with this vet, which is actually really sad. I never knew then what I know now though, because I had never gone out the back of her surgery before we visited Lilly. In the past, we have always just dropped our cat's off to be either spayed or neutered, so there was never a need to. Even the odd cat I have taken up there that has been ill or needed help with has never given me cause to look out there either.(ie: Lucy (fur!!), was simply taken out back and handed back to us when the work was done;we have never had a long term stay before.... I can't tell you how pleased I was to get her out & even Lilly seemed more than delighted too..she was pushing her head so far up against the Barr's of her carrier, that I thought she would have bar marks all over her face, lol I don't think we will have any trouble disputing the over night care there, but I can categorically say that she did tell me that she only injected her twice with antibiotics, yet we have a string of bills for drugs I have never heard of & don't appear to be on her chart either. I hate having to dispute it, but why should we pay for something Lilly didnt get? I will have to sleep on that one I think. Thanks for all the advice and support from everyone S;o) on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:48:39 GMT, "sheelagh" > I don't think we will have any trouble disputing the over night care > there, but I can categorically say that she did tell me that she only > injected her twice with antibiotics, yet we have a string of bills for > drugs I have never heard of & don't appear to be on her chart either. > I hate having to dispute it, but why should we pay for something Lilly > didnt get? When Lilly is better and you have caught up on your sleep you will be able to dispute this calmly and logically. And I believe that you should. SignatureLynne Sheelagh, way to go! You did it!!! You got her out of there, got a second opinion and have her home with you to get better. You came to her rescue when she needed you! I'm so relieved she's not sitting in a cage alone, with no care, all weekend. I'm sure she will get better so much more quickly now. Pet that girl some more, then take the weekend off and get some sleep! You saved another cat today... Rhonda > I can honestly say that is the best thing that we have ever done to > help our cats. & the saying you don't know what your missing if you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > She wolfed down a bowl full of whiskers , then got straight on to a > nice bowl of dry Iams as well- Boy she was hungry!! > Sheelagh, way to go! You did it!!! You got her out of there, got a > second opinion and have her home with you to get better. You came to her [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rhonda Thanks Rhonda, I wouldn't say I saved her life, but I would say that I saved her from a water torture weekend of kill style boredom and no love either. Having filled her belly to bursting point, she has now decided that daddy can get some cuddles for his £367, ROFLOL... He is still muttering about the bill costing me than the damned cat did, but whilst muttering, he is actually wiping the slobber off his chest & stroking her too... So all told, I guess it isn't so bad, hey? Everyone feels like it is Christmas today...even me.. Now that we have liberated Miss Slobber, I guess I have some time now to play with the kittens <Sheelagh's grinning like the Cheshire cat-she can't wait to get down here on the floor with mummy to see what we have now that they are old enough to be able to tell what colours and sex they are> Then in a few weeks, it will be time to take Mummy to get her done too. We never want to even hear the word Pyometra ever again. Thanks for the advice and giving me the confidence to believe I could do it.. S;o) > On 10 Feb, 18:51, Rhonda <san-t...@att.remove.net> wrote:> Sheelagh, way to go! You did it!!! You got her out of there, got a > > second opinion and have her home with you to get better. You came to her [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > S;o) the excitement I have missed while I ahve been out in town for the afternoon! so glad to hear lilly is back at home and out of that hellhole, you did the right thing entirely. yes you should report this incompetent vet to the RCVS and CPL and anyone else (animal health trust?) but not out of spite or anything, purely to protect other people fromthe poor level of care that their animals might receive there. And yes give it a few days to calm down and for lilly to get fully well again then work out your plan of attack, and do it logically and calmly and sensibly, you will be doing the right thing if you do and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Good to see that you had the sense to get some photgraphic evidence etc and that the cromwell vets will support you too, after they do not wnat someone like your previous vet giving their profession a bad name and not adhering to expected codes of conduct set down by the governing body do they? maybe your previous vet is good for large animals and farms etc but not for domestic animals, she obviusly does not have the resources or expertise for small animals, so you have done the right thing in going to a specialist vet (and one given the FAB's stamp of approval too!) as for your paul grumbling over the bill; all men do that, they feel they have to, it is liek a sort of facade they have to keep up to pretend that they dont' care when really they do. I am just looking at my own jessie on the bed behind me, all flopped out, all soft white fur and fluffy tummy exposed and I think that no bill is ever too high if her health were to be at stake, she is too precious to me as Lilly is to you (and to paul although he won't admit it). thank god this is all sorted out now, well done for getting her out, well done you! bookie > > On 10 Feb, 18:51, Rhonda <san-t...@att.remove.net> wrote:> Sheelagh, way to go! You did it!!! You got her out of there, got a > > > second opinion and have her home with you to get better. You came to her [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > the excitement I have missed while I have been out in town for the > afternoon! so glad to hear Lilly is back at home and out of that > hellhole, you did the right thing entirely. Thank you. I hope that I did, & my gut tells me that I did too.It isn't normally wrong either! > yes you should report this incompetent vet to the RCVS and CPL and > anyone else (animal health trust?) but not out of spite or anything, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the right thing if you do and don't let anyone else tell you > otherwise. I would *never do it maliciously* Bookie, that simply isn't me. I'm all hot anger and quick words, but I don't think I have ever done something malicious or out of spite.. You are completely on the mark when you say that I should do it for the protection of other people's cats. In a way I am glad that user net allows you to go back to previous postings, because it allows me to go back to other peoples suggestions of bodies, names, and societies too , because I could never remember them all I assure you. I will calm down, because it is my nature..I tend to get angry, shout, then forget about it completely. Grudges just aren't part of how I think or operate. I think I might have put a previous posting regarding this specific issue already, but it might have been on Lilly up date, or this one- I forget which posting I put it under? The point is that I am rather sad because I did have a very good working relationship with this woman, so I would never drag her through a hedge backwards;this is the same lady who treated Lucy(Fur!!) for me @ Xmas free of charge, & I will never forget that kindness. It was something that she didn't have to do, yet chose to do.. you don't forget kindness like that, do you? If I do report decide to her for breech of anything, I can assure you that it would only be for things that are utterly unforgivable(ie: knowing how ill Lilly was, but not expressing how ill she was until it was almost too late to help her.).. & perhaps charging me for things that were never given/ administered, or the care that was never there....@ night FI (ie: out of normal hours care, & possibly for the state of the kennels /cages because they really were like something out of Frankenstein! I would never embellish something like that!) Good to see that you had the sense to get some photographic > evidence etc and that the Cromwell vets will support you too, after > they do not want someone like your previous vet giving their > profession a bad name and not adhering to expected codes of conduct > set down by the governing body do they? I did feel rather pleased with myself for that one, because I felt such a fool the night before for forgetting it. I genuinely did take it so that we had some photos for the kids to see rather than troop them all down there. It wasn't until Ross and I saw the state of the place that our eyebrows raised...We genuinely were incredulous with them, especially with no litter, water, food, & notes that made it clear that there was no cover @ night- charging me for it, was rather wrong in my book. I have them here if I need them though. I have two lines of thought here, now that i have had time to calm down, eat a meal & do a little pondering on it: A: Go to the vet herself & point out my issues with her practise, pointing out our good relationship, & also my shock and disappointment with Lilly's care (but not a threatening way @ all) ? She might even rethink my bill and charge me accordingly.... I still wouldn't take my custom back there, but it might help her think about what she could do to improve her service? B: Don't even give her a sniff of what I know, think, or feel, because as my dear mother taught me, forewarned is always forearmed...? It might be wiser not to, because these days, if you let anyone know what you are thinking..up go the shutters & by the time I do get someone to investigate, there is a completely different canvas to see when people do turn up to check them out..... I would be interested in every ones thoughts on this one? > maybe your previous vet is good for large animals and farms etc but > not for domestic animals, she obviously does not have the resources or > expertise for small animals, so you have done the right thing in going > to a specialist vet (and one given the FAB's stamp of approval too!) Now this is one that I do agree with. She is a fantastic equine/horse veterinary, brilliant in lambing season, & even better with calfing too. She is noted for it in fact! > as for your Paul grumbling over the bill; all men do that, they feel > they have to, it is like a sort of facade they have to keep up to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if her health were to be at stake, she is too precious to me as Lilly > is to you (and to Paul although he won't admit it). I giggle when I think of this one,ROFLOL;o) You are spot on there. When he walked in with the bill, he handed me the bill first, then a lottery ticket afterwards..explaining that now that she couldn't pay her own way re:kitties, that maybe the lottery could instead... He loves her lots, but wouldn't ever admit it. Body language speaks volumes & ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS- if he allows her to sit on his chest whilst whilst she slobbers all over his chest, I think that you can safely say that he is far softer than he admits to. If you add that to the fact that he sat outside her premises for the entire night in the freezing cold with only a flask of tea for company, specifically just to see if anyone did turn up to check on Lilly, then I think it would be safe to say that he cares for her far more than he cares to admit, don't you? > thank god this is all sorted out now, well done for getting her out, > well done you! Tell me!! I am so looking forward to a good nights sleep tonight. I haven't been able to for several, so I have a feeling that I will sleep like a log tonight! Having said that, I am still quite worried about the slobbering. It doesn't bother me in itself, it is the possible reasons that are causing her to that concern me. She has never done this before. The vet put it down to flu, but I worry in case it has something to do with the sausage shaped possible foreign object that she was unable to explain in the xray that she took before performing the pyometra operation. The fact that she giggled it about during the op doesn't take away the concern that she had no answer for it or know what it might be. I think that it is important that I mention this @ the appointment when Lilly has her stitches out. My initial euphoria has worn off slightly because of this concern... Wouldn't it be terrible to get this far, only to loose her over over something that was overlooked in the first instance? I certainly don't mean to sound or even think pessimisticly...but I can't get rid of the thought bugging me @ the back of my mind...I wish that I had insisted on an ultrasound to start with-with as high as that, what difference would it have made compared to an xray from Lilly's point of view? For tonight I intend to just cuddle her & make the most of her superb company & comforting presence, because it really does make such a difference; a wonderful difference I might add:o) > bookie> Bookie, thank you for all of your research, it was immensely helpful you know & I appreciated it very much. I also took note of your suggestion about the vet college in Cambridge too. (Any links would be wonderful if you can find them without too much difficulty , please? Later in the week, I am going to try and find it because I think that it might be of enormous benefit for my community cats who must think I have gone to mars in that last few days. All I have done is feed them:o) They need more than feeding. Oh... I forgot to tell you that we have managed to get only 8collars on so far re: (H5N1)Sorry if I got the combination wrong, it is not intentional & it has been a long few days...Time to get those welding gloves out I think & catch the other ones & bell them so that they don't get the chance to catch any careless birds unaware. Lucy(fur!) thinks we are so mean not allowing her freedom, so she sulks when we put her out in the run, Ringo just flicks his Ringo tail @ us as if to tell us that if he really wanted to, he would escape if he felt like it... Belle has her hands full with those plumptuous Kittie's who seem to be hungry all the time..& she is as pleased as they come because Kittie time means Cimmi Cat milk time too for her (Yum Yum;o) Biffy looks a little out of sorts, so I have separated him from the others just in case...we don't need outbreaks of colds or any other virus that happens to by floating by...I can't think why though because every single one of them is injected against flu...even Lucy (Fur!!), but that wasn't done until 3weeks ago. (Could this be a source?) And Tazy is his normal loving drape-all-over-you-&-purr-self..He comes in to see his kittens about once a day..closely chased be she-who-must- be-obeyed with her demister bottle FULL of FREEZING WATER just in case he might be tempted to mark anywhere whilst indoors...Oh goodness, how cruel I must be/seem...!! One person who is not around today who sent loads of support in the early hours of Friday am was Cindy-If anyone reaches her before this post evaporates,please pass on my regards? Lots of soothing wonderful quite purrs, head but's,leg weaves & open mouthed grunty snores too,lol, being transmitted to you all in tranquil waves of gratitude. Moral support goes a very long way when you really need it. With Gratitude from us all, Sheelagh x >Having said that, I am still quite worried about the slobbering. It doesn't bother me in itself, it is the possible reasons that are causing her to that concern me. She has never done this before. The vet put it down to flu, but I worry in case it has something to do with the sausage shaped possible foreign object that she was unable to explain in the xray that she took before performing the pyometra operation. The fact that she giggled it about during the op doesn't take away the concern that she had no answer for it or know what it might be. I think that it is important that I mention this @ the appointment when Lilly has her stitches out. My initial euphoria has worn off slightly because of this concern... Wouldn't it be terrible to get this far, only to loose her over over something that was overlooked in the first instance? You are NOT going to lose her!!! >I certainly don't mean to sound or even think pessimisticly...but I can't get rid of the thought bugging me @ the back of my mind...I wish that I had insisted on an ultrasound to start with-with as high as that, what difference would it have made compared to an xray from Lilly's point of view? The vets in Cromwell will address the situation, and they can take an MRI. Timewise, you haven't really lost anything because Lilly was in immediate danger from the pyometra and that needed to be addressed first. >For tonight I intend to just cuddle her & make the most of her superb company & comforting presence, because it really does make such a difference; a wonderful difference I might add:o) > bookie> Absolutely! >One person who is not around today who sent loads of support in the early hours of Friday am was Cindy-If anyone reaches her before this post evaporates,please pass on my regards? I'm here now! I did post that I would be off the computer until this evening (Saturday night on the east coast of the USA), but I fear that post may have gotten lost in the shuffle. You and Lilly were on my mind all day. >Lots of soothing wonderful quite purrs, head but's,leg weaves & open mouthed grunty snores too,lol, being transmitted to you all in tranquil waves of gratitude. Moral support goes a very long way when you really need it. Just give Lilly lots of hugs and kisses from me! I am looking forward to the next happy installment. Best regards, ---Cindy S. > >Having said that, I am still quite worried about the slobbering. It > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > Best regards, > ---Cindy S. Thank you Cindy, I appreciated every single bit of support that you offered & I was more than grateful for it at the time, as I am now as well... I will give her a nice soppy wet hug for you, I much sure that she will love it,lol!! S;o) > Thank you Cindy, > I appreciated every single bit of support that you offered & I was > more than grateful for it at the time, as I am now as well... > I will give her a nice soppy wet hug for you, I much sure that she > will love it,lol!! > S;o) ----------- Whomever it was who commented that an upset stomach can be a cause of drooling...I agree. When my poor Molly was in her last days of her CRF, she was drooling constantly (no I am NOT suggesting that Lilly has CRF or that she's in her last days!!). I thought the drooling was somehow connected to the condition of Molly's teeth because they were in such bad shape and obviously she wasn't going to have a dental at that point. The vet told me the drooling was in all likelihood caused by nausea. Also, I can tell you from personal experience (I once underwent infertility testing), that having someone tug on your ovaries or uterus causes nausea (in addition to causing pain). Lilly just had a bad uterine infection followed by a total hysterectomy and all kinds of medications. Obviously, no one can make a diagnosis over the Internet, but before you totally panic, I think there is a good possibility that she may be drooling simply because she is nauseous. The vet recommended that we give Molly an antinausea medication (can't recall which one, but it was a common over-the-counter stomach medication normally used for humans) in a cat-sized dose. Call Cromwell tomorrow and ask them about this and obviously get Lilly in for an ultrasound as soon as you can. Purrs for her continued recovery and good health. Best regards, ---Cindy S. Sheelagh, was she slobbering before she went to the vet? Cats drool when their stomachs are upset, I'm wondering if it is from the antibiotics. There are several that are pretty tough on their stomachs. If it was before the antibiotics, I think you're right to want to find out what's going on pretty quickly and if there is something in there. Since your new vet is 24 hours, how about just giving them a call tomorrow? Did either of the vets thoroughly check the teeth, too? At least she's home and feeling better than before, and I know you'll take care of her. Rhonda > Having said that, I am still quite worried about the slobbering. It > doesn't bother me in itself, it is the possible reasons that are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > foreign object that she was unable to explain in the xray that she > took before performing the pyometra operation. > Sheelagh, was she slobbering before she went to the vet? Cats drool when Yes, but only a few hours prior to going in on Wednesday. That was part of the reason why I took her up there, even though it was almost closing time. The coughing, the sneezing & the dribbling as well as the crying all started within a 6 hours I would say. But it was the dribbling that finally swayed me to taker action there and then. Lilly was coughing slightly in the morning, but decided to spend the day upstairs, so I only noticed the drooling when she came down to use the litter box.(Wednesday 6pm) > If it was before the antibiotics, I think you're right to want to find > out what's going on pretty quickly and if there is something in there. > Since your new vet is 24 hours, how about just giving them a call > tomorrow? Did either of the vets thoroughly check the teeth, too? I can't say. I don't think so, or surely she would have mentioned that she had... The vet seemed more convinced that it was a foreign body in there throat, which was why she did the xray on Friday am, to look and see if she could find anything ..it is starting to concern me now to be frank. Or more specifically, the sausage shaped thing that she said was in the bowel...? I can't shake the feeling that it is something to do with that..? She doesn't drool all the time, but when she starts, it comes out of her mouth, & even slightly out of her nose too(bubbles).. The vet called it attention seeking coupled with a touch of flu, from vet no:1 > At least she's home and feeling better than before, and I know you'll > take care of her. I can do that, but i have a feeling that it "must" be some type of flu virus because Biffy is starting to cough, & I notice as he just walked through, that he has a slightly sore eye:o( I have just cleaned it with warm saline & a bit of chloramphemicol too...worse, I have just heard him cough ( but coughing is not quite so unusual with him), because he has mega hair balls and begs to go out for some grass to be sick with to bring it up- I am just going to take him out for a few Min's so he can nibble @ it & see what happens do you ever get that "Why Me feeling"...? Biffy is a Birman too S;o) Wow, what a day it has been...All the action kicked off @ 9.30am when the vet turned up for work. Both Paul & I were waiting for her because we were determined to sort out what was going to happen to poor old Lilly over the weekend as we were already aware that there would be no one there to care for her from 12pm today, until 8 am on Monday morning. <snip> We thanked the vet @ the Cromwell, then settled the bill in full & jumped straight in the car & brought her home.... We have to take her back to the Cromwell in 3 days & they will take her stitches out, but after that she should be fine. Thankfully there appears to be no post op infection, but if we even feel slightly concerned or worried, we can take her down to them, or they will come out to see her, whichever we would prefer. I can't believe the difference in the relationship between the patient and vet, or the facilities either. Sheelagh, I suddenly remembered a couple of things that you wrote yesterday. You said that the vet had just called to confirm a diagnosis of pyometra, which she had told you about three days previously. You also said that you had decided to have Lilly spayed. Then, today you talked about having stitches removed in three more days. This does not make any sense! The standard length of time between a spay and removal of stitches is 14 days. Removing stitches four days after major abdominal surgery makes no sense at all. In fact, it is dangerous! Something is not right here. MaryL > Wow, what a day it has been...All the action kicked off @ 9.30am when > the vet turned up for work. Both Paul & I were waiting for her because [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > MaryL Mary, you are quite right. I did say Wednesday, because that was when I was told to bring her back to the original vet to have her stitches removed. I have had a really kind poster who has been giving me some excellent advice, access to links to things that I don't understand, & telling me to question the wisdom of some of the things that I have been told, urging me to question why certain things have not been done, & really good general common sense too. This same poster also mentioned what you said in your post as well. I never thought to question it because I was so anxious to get her out of there.. ( which really was rather stupid of me on reflection- Lucy (Fur!) had hers out @6days I believe & it took ages for them to heal properly; I'm lucky that she didn't burst open quite frankly.!!) I noted the advice, similar to your own, & rang the 2nd vet surgery & repeated what both of you have told me & they confirmed that it is far too soon..They hadn't picked up on it either, & thanked me for bringing it to their attention Having said that, they told me that they want to see her on day 11, providing we have no problems in the meanwhile. Does this still sound too soon?!! I hope not.. To be perfectly honest, I am a bit peeved with vets in general presently. Nothing against them, but I can get one to agree with another, & surely it is their job to think of these things, rather than friends Who seem to know far better than they do! Perhaps that is a bit unfair of me, but it is the truth. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MON 5th Feb Initially the vet was due to spay Lilly last Monday (a week tomorrow- I did post this,"I think"?) Then she was called out on an emergency, so rang to cancel & asked to reschedule which neither of us got round to, because by Wednesday, I noticed that Lilly was in trouble, & that was the day that I took her up to the surgery late in the afternoon-around 5-6pm Tuesday 7th Feb Lola invited us down, & I took Lilly there & then. It was during this consultation that she took Lilly's temperature anally,, then looked at her rear end, & invited me to look at it too. I noticed that it wasn't quite up to Lilly's general standards, then she squealed Lilly's rear end & a load of jelly like mucous escaped & it smelt absolutely foul. At this point the vet cursed herself for not squeezing each side separately, & when I asked why, she told me that if she had done each side separately, it would have told her more than she found by squeezing them together. I didn't think to question it any further:( It was @ this point that she told me that she suspected it was pyometra, & explained that her anal sacks were filled with this nasty mess, & that she suspected that it had come from the uterus. She asked if Lilly had either been in season recently, or had a litter. Actually we suspected that Lilly was in season over Xmas, but we separated her from Biffy & all of the other cats because of the ring worm problem a few months back- you may not remember this but I asked the group how long I should wait before allowing her to mate some time ago? The last litter that Lilly had was last summer... Lola told me to take her home again, then return her the following morning so that she could observe her, which I did.WEDNESDAY 7th FEB Around lunch time she rang me to say that she had given her a shot of antibiotics, then told me that she had another job to do, so Lilly stayed there that night. THURDAY 8th FEB It was the following day that we had a torrential downpour of snow & the vet didn't bother coming to work &Lilly was left all on her own from lunchtime on Thursday @12pm!!!!!!! The same day that Paul waited all night outside the surgery in the car to see if anyone came to feed, water, litter, or simply check on Lilly. FRIDAY 9thFEB And on Friday, the vet returned to work & called me to say that Lilly was in terrible shape. She took an xray of her from neck to base of tail, (in case she had something stuck in her throat or intestines),performed the operation, & we called to ask if we might come and visit her. That was when I took the initial photos of her in the cage, & read her care notes. SAT 10th FEB We liberated Lilly from the surgery & took her to the new vets with notes and letter from the 1st vet... If I got the date/day wrong in an earlier posting, I apologize, it was unintentional. Frankly, I can't remember what happened each day without consulting the diary..It all went in one very long Blurr. It was a terrible week & probably the worst one that I can remember regarding our feline family. I am so pleased that it is all over now. Lilly is a lot better today. The drooling hasn't completely stopped, but it is far better than yesterday, & she has only coughed once or twice. Presently, she is sitting under the TV after pigging out on whiskers again(Rabbit today). She is due her antibiotics soon & I hate doing it, but I must because Paul won't even try to (He doesn't do claws!!) It is such a relief to have her at home, see her improving, know that she is using the litter properly & dosing in her normal spot too. Biffy seems a lot better today too. He was a bit under the weather yesterday, but after he had some chloramphemicol in his eyes, the green gunk is going, & his eye is far less inflamed too. I have had a decent nights sleep for the first time in a week.. & had the kittens out this morning. I sexed them & it looks like one male & three females- I can't be sure of their true colours, but it appears that we have one seal point, one mitted blue, & two colour point blue's too. All in all a good day today;o) I now have to ring the new vet surgery in the morning & get Tiggy booked in to be spayed when the reception staff are on duty. I can't get Blue-Belle done until she has finished feeding her kittens, or so I have been told? Thanks for the support everyone, I don't think I would have got through this one without you all... & most of all, thanks to the poster who has been keeping me so well informed- I definitely had no idea that poor Lilly was in so much peril through ignorance...I think you saved Lilly's life & for that there is no measure other than our gratitude & thanks too. S;o) on Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:29:07 GMT, "sheelagh" > To be perfectly honest, I am a bit peeved with vets in > general presently. Nothing against them, but I can get one to agree > with another, & surely it is their job to think of these things, > rather than friends Who seem to know far better than they do! Unfortunately, vets (and doctors) are not fully aware of all of the circumstances in every single one of their patients' cases. It is our job as pet owners (and parents, if you have children) to be the central repository of all of the medical history of our charges. Never assume they have thoroughly reviewed the charts and history of their patients. It is likely they haven't. They generally only look at the last visit's notes and the list of medications and allergies unless you give them reason to do otherwise. I always make a point of reviewing the pertinent points of my pets' medical histories when we visit our vet. I also then go over my concerns for the current visit. If anything isn't absolutely clear or if it doesn't seem right, I ask questions or remind them of facts I think they may have overlooked. This can and should be done in a way that is not confrontational or offensive. Just ask questions and most medical care providers will answer them to your satisfaction (don't continue to see the ones who will not). You always need to participate in your animals' medical care, not just sit back and watch. SignatureLynne > on Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:29:07 GMT, "sheelagh" > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -- > Lynne Fair Comment, you are right on this one. But please don't think that I ever go with confrontation on my mind, because It is quite the reverse. I hate confrontation! I do try to make a point of asking about anything that I don't understand, but in this recent case, I understood every word she told me... What I didn't understand in this case was why she gave me no choice about my cats care. By not turning up for work, or arranging for outside help to be called in, I felt that her attitude was rather nonchalant regarding Lilly. It gave me no choice other than to await her convenience. & having told me how dire the consequences could be if it was not caught in time, then not turning up for work too, she made me feel as though I was of no consequence & neither was my cat either. If she knew how ill my cat was (having had the chance to talk to me about the case, a day to observe her, & diagnosing the problem correctly as well...) I felt that she did have a choice, where as I felt that I didn't. If she had given me a call even, or possibly access to my cat, I would have had about her care, & who cared for her. By utterly ignoring me for 24 hours, & my cat also, she put my cat's life at risk, & it was exactly that that made me feel that I could never trust her again. The courtesy of one single call would have made all the difference in this instance. As you say, I wanted to be a part of my cat's care, but I was blocked out, lied to, & it nearly cost Lilly her life. In my book, that is not what you look for when choosing who cares for your nearest and dearest. You put your finger right on the button when you say that I should have been a part of that care. I certainly wanted to be, but wasn't given the slightest choice in it. That is exactly what made me so angry. Paul waited for over 10 hours for even a veterinary nurse to show up so that we could have access to her, but no one ever came!! To charge me for care that was never provided hardly instills confidence in her..... I might have made light of the issue in saying that we had liberated her, but in reality, I was fuming angry, but saw no gain in arguing with her at all. I merely wanted to take her out of a situation that I felt was wrong for my cat. In fact the only thing I didn't understand was why I had no input at all in my cats care, which is why I will never set foot in that surgery with any cat that I feel needs good, trustworthy care, with a two way relationship. The only thing that we don't see eye to eye on, is the relationship between surgeries. If *I* had not called the new surgery, which as you say is my responsibility if I see an error that I don't want to harm my cat... So, really, I agree with you.. S;o) I'm back on the computer. Wow, it sounds like a lot has happened in the last 24 hours. I am overjoyed to hear that Lilly is safe and sound. What a story! Best regards, ---Cindy S. Wow, what a day it has been...All the action kicked off @ 9.30am when the vet turned up for work. Both Paul & I were waiting for her because we were determined to sort out what was going to happen to poor old Lilly over the weekend as we were already aware that there would be no one there to care for her from 12pm today, until 8 am on Monday morning. We had already called the Cat Protection League, to ask if we were allowed to ask for our cat back & they told us that it was our right to , & if we encountered any problems, that we should call the police...So baring that in mind..... We had already spent hours trying to figure out what the best thing to do might be, & came to the conclusion that shouting our heads off was going to get us no where...So we tried diplomacy, much as It wrankled me to do so.... I started by greeting her & asking if we might see Lilly for a little while, which she agreed to. After a few minutes that it took for Paul to read her care plan and care sheet's, we were both in agreement that* We Had To Get Her OUT NOW*!! Having already called the Cromwell Clinic in Huntingdon, our nearest town to ask if they might take over her care because we were concerned about the fact that the clinic she was currently in, didn't offer 24 hour care Which we felt was vitally important as she was only 24 hours out of a very serious operation. The clinic welcomed gladly & knowing this, we set to work on the vet. We started by asking what care Lilly would receive over the weekend, & she told us that she would try & pop in tomorrow to make sure that Lilly had clean water, food and & blankets too (Note: No litter???) At this point we expressed our concerns regarding this matter, & asked her if she would mind terribly if we were to move her to a surgery where they had 24 hour care because we felt that she needed it. Couple that with the fact that it might make her weekend easier as Lilly was her only cell mate, she agreed that she wouldn't mind. I could whooped for joy because I had been dreading that moment all last night & this morning!! It took us roughly 5 minutes to load her up, I.v ,and all her care notes & got to the desk to collect all of her other notes her notes and to be handed the bill for her care thus far... I am dying to tell you what the bill was because I nearly fell through the concrete floor, SERIOUSLY!! (you must bare in mind that she spent 2 nights there, had an xray & I was told that she charged £45 to spay a cat, plus her antibiotics! injection, & 4pills to take with us) The Grand Total came to £367.34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I nearly had a a heart attack! If you convert that into $, I suppose it would be around $680 I couldn't believe my ears...... I settled £150 because that was what I had on me @ the time, & walked out the door to freedom, by which time Lilly was nearly squeezing through the wicker basket to get to us because she was SO HAPPY:o) We took her straight down to the Cromwell Surgery & they looked at her the moment we walked through the door;in fact there was a vet waiting for us there!! After a 20minute thorough inspection of her, & her notes too, the vet looked at me & said "you know a fair amount about cat's, don't you"? I admitted I knew a little, so he took both Paul & I into another consulting room & told us that he was going to show us how to set her drip up & that as long as we were happy & confident, that he thought the best place for her, would be at home... It was getting better by the moment. We went in & within 5 Min's I had managed to insert the line and had her onto antibiotics and re hydration drip too; we were told to only use the hydration drip if she didn't drink orally (which I note the previous vet had charged me £24.26!!) He injected Lilly with marbocyl1% & also gave us the antibiotics that she needed, but orally, because in all of the time that we spent @ the Cromwell..Lilly nearly drank 1/2 a pint of water..!! ( he gave us more Marbocyl @20 mg) So roughly an hour later, we paid the bill for the injection, the antibiotics to give her orally & the consultation fee. Broken down that was: consultation £15 Marbocyl inj £4 Tablets(same as above)££7.20 Bloods £31.90 & drip in case of need Cristapen 600mg £4 A grand total of £ 62.10. Slightly different from the other bill I would say... Mind you she did the op which cost us £159 xray£37 and the rest was for consultation ,antibiotics, CARE @ NIGHT???? & other drugs and fees too... We thanked the vet @ the Cromwell, then settled the bill in full & jumped straight in the car & brought her home.... We have to take her back to the Cromwell in 3 days & they will take her stitches out, but after that she should be fine. Thankfully there appears to be no post op infection, but if we even feel slightly concerned or worried, we can take her down to them, or they will come out to see her, whichever we would prefer. I can't believe the difference in the relationship between the patient and vet, or the facilities either. I can honestly say that is the best thing that we have ever done to help our cats. & the saying you don't know what your missing if you have never had it ,comes to mind. It was like entering a different world, truely it was. Since bringing Lilly home she has been so happy..all of the other cats wanted to be near her of course, but we have set up a little separate area for her, so that she has the peace an quite that she needs,. Her own litter which she gladly hoped straight on to, too!! She wolfed down a bowl full of whiskers , then got straight on to a nice bowl of dry Iams as well- Boy she was hungry!! I can't help but wonder why the previous vet would have kept her caged and penned for the weekend if it was not to charge me for it. Perhaps my opinion is a bit distorted given recent events, but she had no intention of allowing her home to us, & if there was going to be no one there, I couldn't see the point of keeping her for anything else? I am just pleased that it is all over now & that she will make a full recovery. she seems delighted to be home and I can assure you that we are delighted to have her too I DO have to admit, that all the way to huntingdon Paul was muttering away under his breath thing's like, Bloody Cats...costs more than the damned cat did...She can swing for it...& several other unmentionable things, but I can see by Lilly drapped all over him right now that it couldn't have been that terrible or he would never have helped me spring her out of jail, lol She is still dribbling everywhere but the Cromwell think that she does in fact have a touch of Flu as we suspected HAIL LIILY THE BRAVE...A HAPPY ENDING TO TO A TERRIBLE STORY & Thanks to all of you for your support too.. You have all been brilliant in the small hours of the morning Soothing Purrs to you all compliments of Lilly- Pads the brave S;o) Ps: I have added a few photos for you to look at if you would like to. Some of them are of our normal Lilly, the others are of her this afternoon after we brought her home too http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyIsSprungFromJail She's beautiful! So glad she is home again. -- Barb Of course I don't look busy, I did it right the first time. |
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