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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2007More Lilly updates
> Best of luck to Lilly, > > Rhonda Speaking of livid bookie....i didnt intend to insinuate that you were callled Dave by the way, i was taking a thread from the other posting that i thought you had read & adding it you yours,lol!!! Anyway, the point is got you all as far as the visit. I have just typed a mile of posting and the damed thing said it was succesful, but when I looked there wasnt a single word of it there.AAAGGGH, I could Scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ross and I mad ehte appointment to go and see poor old Lilly who as you all know has been there all on ther tod since thursday lunchtime. Speaking of livid bookie....I didnt intend to insinuate that you were called Dave by the way, I was taking a thread from the other posting that I thought you had read & adding it you yours,lol!!! I will copy and paste it to this one so that you understand what I meant,ok? Anyway, the point is got you all as far as the visit. I have just typed a mile of posting and the damed thing said it was succesful, but when I looked there wasnt a single word of it there.AAAGGGH, I could Scream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ross and I made the appointment to go and see poor old Lilly who as you all know has been there all on ther tod since thursday lunchtime. We were cordialy informed that we might be welcome to do so between 5-5.30 pm, so we got there @5 on the dot...& we waited,... & we waited.... & by 6pm, she called us into her cubby hole and showed me the xray that she had taken. In The Grubby old thing she showed us that there was a dark area,so I asked what it was & she told me that she had no idea @ all, that Lilly had been given an enenema to clear her bowel because she was constipated, & that she had a look at the bowel, but couldn't work out what it was, so she massaged it along a bit in the hope that it would work it's way out eventually. I then asked how the operation went & she said it went fairly well, but it was a bit touch and go regarding septacemia, that she couldn't make any promises, but that she was also optomistic about her (baring in mind that I know full well that no one has even bothered to look at her since thursday lunch time, you can imagine how hard it was for my to stand on my tongue and not simply let rip@ her.Especially for those of you who know me- you will appreciate it was like folding in a tornado of abuse) Snow my back side, Paul made it to barnwell, so she could have come to work, she simply pulled a sicky and blamed it on the snow! She (BTW She is always the vet) Having apologized & told me that it was simply beyond her control, after admiting to Paul that she had sick horses, which was why she went home on thurdsday afternoon, so that was the last time that Lilly got any treatment or care...it really was all I could do not to launch into full throttle... once I had swalled that bitter pill, I asked her how she felt about the prognosis was, & she took us both out to the back where she she keeps all of her inmates (prisoners, for our american freinds)..& one look at Lilly was enough to make me howl with tears, even Ross too... She was lying there patheticaly and listlessly. We were already warned that she was sedated, had a drip in because she was a touch dehdrated... (well of course she was, no one fed her or gave her any water since the day previous at lunch time!!) The moment she heard our voices though, her little head perked up & she cried and meowled for us to come to her- she lolooked so vulnerable and pathetic too, with green mucky eys,one of her front paws straped up with her drip & oviously she must havew felt terribly sore too with the spaying been done? I then thought of lots of questions such as "do you think it is possible that she might have had a stroke", to which the answer was a catogorical NO! "why do you think that she is drooling still", was answered with, "I think it might be for attention"...funny because she has never done that before.... "why do you think she was coughing", was "I have no idea, but it isn't so bad now, is it"? Is it possible that she might have a touch of flu" Answer again was "No"! Are you giving her antibiotics for the eye infection", Answer was "No, I gave her a shot a couple of days ago so that should help clear it". "Don't you think a few more might help if she had/has septacemia" Answer was , "she can't take anything orally, but when she is ready we could try again".... OMG..What do we do in the meantime? Wait for to die? Anger goes beyond how I feel right now.... She left us at that point & I was cursing myself for a fool for not taking my camera, so I got Ross to take a few on my mobile(cell phone!!)..which the nurse herd so came to investigate what was happening.. I explained that we were taking a few snaps for the rest of the children to see as we felt it would be inappropriate to bring all 4 of them...it usually works, & did this time too, but she asked us to ask next time BTW-The nurse was her daughter today...Interesting, hey? Whilst the nuse was there, I took the opportunity to ask her what time their observations were done during the night, but she didn't know because she didn't do lates...meanwhile Ross was giving me very pointed stare's so i shut up because I realised that he must have had his reasons to that..& he did He mananged to find Lilly's notes, in which it states that the last ob's are done @ 5.30 pm- the next ones are done the following mornig @ 8.30 am So we were right, there is no night cover at all... I am so sadened by this. In all the years I have used her, I have never had an overnight patient with her, or I would have known &NEVER have takewn LILLY there @ all.... Lilly was as delighted as we were, & even though she was sedated, she crawled to the front of ther cage and did head rubs, a bit of slobbery drooling, but it did stop afer a while once we were there for around 20 mins or so;it stopped completely too?? We played I love you, Kissy kissy, cuddles & talk in a silly high voice which made her purr forever, but I noticed that her mouth was open all the while we were there. Am I right in thinking that cats open their mouths to pant? I wondered this becuse the heater was right under her cage...it was ever so hot there... she loved seeing us though & it was heart braking to leave her bewcause she wanted to come with us too-I cried, I don't mind admitting it either. I hated it!!! All too soon it came time to leave and we were gently reminded it was closing time:o( IT WAS MORE THAN WONDERFUL TO SEE HER AGAIN- I DID FEAR THAT I NEVER WOULD I am going to have to do something a bit later this morning because I CAN'T LEAVE HER THERE! It is a really dingy hole out the back & I wouldn't leave lilly's pet cockroach there, seriously!! In an ideal world "Bookie" ... I would like to take her to a vetinary clinic in Hutingdon callled the CROMWELL SURGERY, ever heard of it? The reason I say this is because it comes personally recommended by a lady who runs a cattery in the village- & if they are good enough for her, then I am more than sure they would be for me..... Rhonda ~& Cindy, I would love to bring her home,. but with the line I am terrified that I might mess up. If you honestly feel that I can do it, I would. There is no place like home, but if there is even a thought that I might not be doing the right thing, then tell me so too please? This is far briefer than the last post, but it is now nearly 3 am & I am flagginfg for lack of sleep in three days now, so guess I had better go and try and get some in case I do have to bring her home. I don't want Lilly-Pads to be in there a moment longert than I have to & will keep you all posted on how it goes later. I will be around for the next half an hour or so, so if anyone is still up, I would love to hear from you. Grateful doesn't come near what i would like to thank you all for. You have been a brilliant moral support & I thank you all for it too. More updates when & if it all happens,but I intend to SRING HER ASAP LATER THIS MORING, REST ASSURED..I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE OF THIS. http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll > SRING HER ASAP LATER THIS MORING, REST ASSURED..I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE > OF THIS.http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll Based on what you posted I would, line and all. (I assume you mean IV?) They will instruct you of any special care. Tell me this is not the mother who just had kittens? Yes, try to get some rest. -- You have every right to be totally pissed, but being pissed right now is a drain on you. You don't need any more holes in your cup. Later, when the dust settles, I would have a word with the vet. The right thing to do would have been NOTIFY you that she had to care for sick horses. The vet should have had Lilly moved to another facility! All of this song and dance was not necessary; it was undo duress on Lilly and her family. ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS MAKE A FEW CALLS WORST! She put your Lilly on the line! DIDN'T SHE! I hope you haven't paid her yet, I'd tell her to stick her shitty practice back up her arse. Tell her to call me! I need something to flame anyway. Barrys > > SRING HER ASAP LATER THIS MORING, REST ASSURED..I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE > > OF THIS.http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tell me this is not the mother who just had kittens? NO IT IS THE SMALL FAT HAIRY ONE (DON'T YOU DARE ASK....) There is a link ther, you can have a look @ her, but the pics aren't very good. It is the birman @ vets, the mummy and kitties are all snuggled up here right now > Yes, try to get some rest. I will, just had to have a laugh first & you made me laugh sure enough, Have you heard that I am your sychophant lol.... > You have every right to be totally pissed, but being pissed right now > is a drain on you. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > WORST! She put your Lilly on the line! DIDN'T SHE! Now that was unforgivable, beleive me?!!! > I hope you haven't paid her yet, I'd tell her to stick her shitty > practice back up her arse. I gave the silly moo heffer(cow) about £90 on wednesday, damned idiot, aren't I? > Tell her to call me! I need something to flame anyway. I would so love to be a fly on the wall:o) > Barrys BIG TIME LOL'S ON THAT ONE MATE S:o) > NO IT IS THE SMALL FAT HAIRY ONE (DON'T YOU DARE ASK....) My lips are sealed! > There is a link ther, you can have a look @ her, but the pics aren't > very good. better than my web cam for sure! > > Yes, try to get some rest. > > I will, just had to have a laugh first & you made me laugh sure > enough, > Have you heard that I am your sychophant lol.... check your mail. > I would so love to be a fly on the wall:o) I'd tear her down to the white meat. > > Barrys > > BIG TIME LOL'S ON THAT ONE MATE > S:o) d'jew read my post in rfc? rec.food.cooking, subj: BURN yule see why Im up on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:19:00 GMT, "sheelagh" > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll Oh, Sheelagh, these photos and your description of her condition are absolutely heartbreaking. I am so sorry Lilly and you are going through this. I understand the fear you must have for leaving her there, but I don't see that you had any choice tonight. You must be beside yourself with uncertainty and anger. You have always said such positive things about this vet, but to leave her patients unsupervised for so long is unforgiveable. She should have arranged for someone to tend to them while she tended to her horses. No question about it. I'm almost always one to pull my animals out of the hospital and administer their care at home, but she's just had major abdominal surgery and if it's true she has septicemia, she needs to be in a hospital on IV antibiotics. Septicemia is very dangerous, and often fatal. I'm very concerned that Lilly has only had an injection of antibiotics several days ago. Sheelagh, she needs to get to a hospital and she needs the proper care. So get some sleep, then get up and make some phone calls in order to figure out where you can take her, then transport her there very gently. Stay calm and focused and take care of your girl, and let us know when she is safely in the care of someone who can really help her.  SignatureLynne > on Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:19:00 GMT, "sheelagh" > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -- > Lynne Thank you Lynne, you have just made up my mind for me. I am going to ring the cromwell vetinary surgery & ask them if they are willing to take lilly's care on from hence forth. I just don't want to go in there calling another practise terrible!I can get transport because I do drive 7 it is only 10miles down the road, so should be ok- it comes recomended by another rescuer/cattery in the village so I am optomistic I am trying to think of how to explain that I have lost all faith in her because it never sounds good one your pulling another practise to pieces, does it? If you can think of a way to explain, then I would love to hear it? Thank you Lynne S;o) >I am trying to think of how to explain that I have lost all faith in >her because it never sounds good one your pulling another practise to >pieces, does it? >If you can think of a way to explain, then I would love to hear it? >Thank you Lynne Why not just say you want 24 hour staffing (assuming Cromwell does) - that should reason enough. I've been reading this whole thread tonight and that vet is a disaster! Good luck to you and Lilly! On Feb 10, 12:39 am, hamandche...@betweentheknees.com wrote: > I've been reading this whole thread tonight and that vet is a > disaster! > > Good luck to you and Lilly! I think the vet is competent for the task at hand (at this point) I think sheelagh should let them fix Lilly up. Think about it, why should the cat be moved around uneccessarily. Sheelagh has spoke well of this vet... Sure, the vet has shot herself in the foot, but she is a vet none the less. I think she should stay put and let the vet finish what she started (easier on Lilly). I think it's safe to say this vet wouldn't dare neglect Lilly at this point, Sheelagh can settle the score with this vet after Lilly is home. Barry > I think it's safe to say this vet wouldn't dare neglect Lilly at this > point, Sheelagh can settle the score with this vet after Lilly is > home. > > Barry if she ever gets home that is.... >On Feb 10, 12:39 am, hamandche...@betweentheknees.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Barry The way I understand it is that Lilly will go unattended between 5 and 8 in the morning and nobody will be there on Sundays. If a cat comes down with a post op fever you need to catch it right away, not the next day. I think *if* the cat is safe to transport, then it must go for better post op care. >Sure, the vet has shot herself in the foot, but she is a vet none the >less. Large animal rural vets usually aren't the best solution to domestic pets. > On Feb 10, 12:39 am, hamandche...@betweentheknees.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Barry OK, So what ...lol, you were right & I did do as you said in the end, but as you wouid say..... SUKKERS<ROFLOL, I took photos of her care notes as a momento of the occasion lol S;o) My baby is home again Ok so it is £367.34 lighter, but she is alive ($680ish) > > On Feb 10, 12:39 am, hamandche...@betweentheknees.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - thank god for that!!! now take her to the cromwell place in a few days for a check up just to see that all is going well you have done the right thing, very proud of you, bookie xx > Why not just say you want 24 hour staffing (assuming Cromwell does) - > that should reason enough. I agree. This is the least confrontational way to approach this, Sheelagh. I think that at such a stressful time, the last thing you need is an argument with this vet. Save that discussion for when Lilly is better. SignatureLynne >> Best of luck to Lilly, >> [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] > OF THIS. > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll Sending non-stop purrs that Lily will recover her health. MLB HOLY sh.t SHEELAGH!! I just saw the pics you had posted on your link. Your pet looks like a stray on it's way to be euthanized at the pound. If your beloved critter was healthy on drop off and has regressed to the pathetic state your photo's illustrate, there is something afoot there and it ain't rambunctious kittens! If it is infection, or bad reaction to anethesia your vet best be showing some action or you show the vet some venom. Get away from the golldurn computer and get hot on taking care of your charge. To envoke the the sympathy you seem to need and get you into action - Play momma cat to your Lilly. Be a bitch. Hiss and spit (so to speak) to the vet and, I reiterate, if in your gut, you aren't happy with the proceedings, grab your Lilly and move her to a place where she can be properly diagnosed and looked after. There are two sides to every issue and I won't say your vet is a bad one but he/she sure looks to be dropping the ball on this one. I'm done. Alan > > Best of luck to Lilly, > > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] > OF THIS. > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll > HOLY sh.t SHEELAGH!! > I just saw the pics you had posted on your link. Your pet looks like a stray [quoted text clipped - 161 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The temptation was more than you could possibly know. Everyone knows that you DON'T MESS with a MOTHERS CUBS, don't they??????? Well, I gues all is well that ends well in the end, eh? She looks like she has been dragged through a hedge backwards on a stormy day, but she is alive and that is all that matters right now. When I have had a few days sleep to get over it, my next project will be How to get the Vets bill down, especially for night care( I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the charge for that one!!) Thanks and very soothing purrs from us all here x Sheelagh, I'm so glad you're getting her out of there. You may be rescuing her just in time. That vet has no business treating her. Sounds like she's just guessing what it wrong. Vets are not gods, and not authority figures to be afraid of. Vets are just humans and they make mistakes -- but they should never act as yours has. This is life and death for your cat and you don't have to apologize or make excuses as to why you are taking her somewhere else. I know that many people in England are very nice and very subtle, but you can't let anything get in the way of saving your cat. I'm so relieved you are getting her out of there. Don't back down, Lilly's health is more important right now than stepping on the vet's toes! Poor little thing, let us know how she's doing tomorrow. Rhonda > but I intend to > SRING HER ASAP LATER THIS MORING, REST ASSURED..I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE > OF THIS. > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll > Vets are not gods, and not authority figures to be afraid of. Vets are > just humans and they make mistakes I agree! having spent some years at college with a number of them in training, and many nights in pubs with some of them drinking I know how human they can be, and fallible too. Any vet who tries to make me be in awe of them gets a right mouthful from me, they are there to provide a service and care for animals not make clients feel small. when our family cat tegan was diagnosed with astomach tumour last january the first vet to see her wanted to put her down straight away, despite fact that tegan was eatign drinking, platying, being the usual naughty tortie she had always been, no drop in quality of life and putting her to sleep woudl not ave been neccesary at that point. Of coursemy dad and brother justy thought that the vet knwos best and went alogn with it, and then I drove down to see tegan (yes unannounced of course, mid afternoon) and saw that she was not in such a sorry state as they had made out, saw scans, and asked for a second opinion and to talk to the nurses who backed up what i thougth that she was not at deaths doors just yet. we took tegan home and she had about 6 more months with us and was able to fall asleep peacfully at home inher familiar surroundings with people who loved her around her, much better than a premature lethal injection. It also gave us time to prepare for it too. I may sound bolshy but i am not in awe of vets and if i think something is not quite right I challenge it and ask for evidence or a second opinion. My animals depend on me to try to do the best for them and that is why i do it, they can't speak for themselves so i have to. now please report back that you have removed her and taken her to cromwell in huntingdon bookie > > Vets are not gods, and not authority figures to be afraid of. Vets are > > just humans and they make mistakes [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > cromwell in huntingdon > bookie Hail, lilly the slobber is free... We marched her down to Huntingdon & got her seen by the vet there who told us the best place for her is home. He has given us a drip and taught us how to put a line in for her, but Only if she stops drinking... Currently she is eating like a horse....& drinking like an english football hooligan too!! She looks absolutely disgusting, but it should pass with the antibiotics we have been given, & she should look a bit better in a few days The cheif slobber Lilly is delighted, & so are we now that we have helped her escape with diplomacy rather than a file lol;o) I can't believe that the Lilly you can see in some of the other photos on the link to Lilly has escaped is the same cat that was totally igniored for 36 hours when she was desperately ill and needed help... I am never going back to the cat prison again.....She was not treated with the respect that she charged me for quite frankly!! S;o) So nice to have her ALIVE & HOME > Hail, lilly the slobber is free... > We marched her down to Huntingdon & got her seen by the vet there who [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > S;o) > So nice to have her ALIVE & HOME I am so glad you have her home with you and that she's eating! I'm very happy for you both and hope she keeps getting better and better. delurking - it looks like Liily is now away from this vet & either home or moved somewhere else: go to sheelagh's link showing the pictures of Lilly being (mis-)treated at her (?large-animal) vet http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll & click on the blue link in the upper left corner "sheelagh's public gallery" & you will see the top left picture "lilly is sprung from jail" & there's several pictures showing her today out of the vet! Great news - she looks to be OK - it's been a little confusing following this thread. M. >Sheelagh, I'm so glad you're getting her out of there. You may be >rescuing her just in time. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> OF THIS. >> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll delurking again - someone better than me sort out what I'm seeing here because it's even more confusing now that I look more carefully at the picasa album "lilly is sprung from jail" dated today Feb 10, 07 - but the details of the individual pictures (on the right of each picture) say Dec 13, 06. What am I missing here? An earlier illness or some other problem with Lilly back in December that I didn't see back then? Anyway, I hope she is well & home. M. >Sheelagh, I'm so glad you're getting her out of there. You may be >rescuing her just in time. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> OF THIS. >> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll > delurking again - someone better than me sort out what I'm seeing here > because it's even more confusing now that I look more carefully at the picasa [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - How clever you are.. Well done, you are right, she is and the post should arrive any moment S;o) Ps: thanks to you all We got her Rhonda:o) She was so pleased to see us too. If nothing else I have learnt so much from this experience Unfortunately, the trust link has completely broken down with this vet, which is actually really sad. I never knew then what I know now though, because I had never gone out the back of her surgery before we visited Lilly. In the past, we have always just dropped our cat's off to be either spayed or neutered, so there was never a need to. Even the odd cat I have taken up there that has been ill or needed help with has never given me cause to look out there either.(ie: Lucy (fur!!), was simply taken out back and handed back to us when the work was done;we have never had a long term stay before.... I can't tell you how pleased I was to get her out & even Lilly seemed more than delighted too..she was pushing her head so far up against the Barr's of her carrier, that I thought she would have bar marks all over her face, lol I don't think we will have any trouble disputing the over night care there, but I can categorically say that she did tell me that she only injected her twice with antibiotics, yet we have a string of bills for drugs I have never heard of & don't appear to be on her chart either. I hate having to dispute it, but why should we pay for something Lilly didnt get? I will have to sleep on that one I think. Thanks for all the advice and support from everyone S;o) I'm sure it is sad that the trust is gone with this vet, but it's also a good thing to know for the next time when you have a cat in very bad shape. I'm glad you didn't have to lose one to learn what you learned. You should get some money taken off of that bill -- maybe the cat rescue group you contacted has someone that could help with that too. Give Lilly a scritch from me. She is probably still purring about being home. Rhonda > We got her Rhonda:o) > She was so pleased to see us too. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Thanks for all the advice and support from everyone > S;o) > I'm sure it is sad that the trust is gone with this vet, but it's also a > good thing to know for the next time when you have a cat in very bad [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh yes, Paul is doing it for you lol! She is just explaining to daddy just exactly how, and where under the chin she likes it best...she is very ill lookingm but I can assure you that she knows exactly what she wants and when she wants it too. When I said that we are her dslave's I actually meant it,hee hee >"o"< You are right of course on the trust issue. It could have been far worse, we could have lost her...couldn't we? At least I now also have a vet that I know will care for my cats in a manner that is humane, clean, with 24/7 care & not ever have to worry whether my cat will be alive the following morning.. In fact, come to think of it, rather like my kids, when they were is speacial care, I will be able to ring day or night & ask how they are right now & get an honest answer too. Bliss!! S;o) > > I'm sure it is sad that the trust is gone with this vet, but it's also a > > good thing to know for the next time when you have a cat in very bad [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > - Show quoted text - when this is over and lilly is better yuo still need to make some sort of report to the royal college of vet surgeons though, other people need to know what has gone on, other owners of pets and also the professional body who the vet is attached to. i am sure she must have broken some codes of conduct in what she has done, or not done, in this case. Remember; if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. really very relieved that you have taken lilly away from there, as I said before home is the best place for her right now with people on hand to help her should something dreadful happen inthe night please give her lots of hugs, kisses, cuddles, neck scritches, more cuddles and kisses from me, she needs them now bookie I just read the whole thread on poor little lilly....I am SOOOO livid for you, but thrilled and proud that you have her home safe and sound!!! PLEASE report all you have to the Royal College of Vet Surgeons, and take her to the the other vet for a re-check to make sure she is healing well. Give Lilly many, many scritches, rubs, and treats!! Spoil her rotten! You all deserve it! And cuddle with her lots - with your help she will soon forget the torture chamber! Chandra > > Best of luck to Lilly, > [quoted text clipped - 142 lines] > SRING HER ASAP LATER THIS MORING, REST ASSURED..I CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE > OF THIS.http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/sheelaghmadden/LillyWhenSheWasIll yes cromwell is on the reccomended list of the feline advisory board and therefore is a good place (they have very high standards) so take her there asap if you can. can you get to cambridge at all? the animal hospital there is very good, linked to the university and they always have 24 hours cover (a lot of my frineds had to do week long stays there living in as part fo their training to be vets, is excellent place). btw I am not livid cos you caleld me dave (been called much worse in my time) just livid at whole sorry situation and the blatant incompetence fo your vet. if you want you can give me the practice name and I will report her to anyone and everyone i can think of bookie |
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