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Daisy's Complicated Allergy/Meds Problem
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sdavies6 - 26 Jan 2007 01:08 GMT My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my small studio aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a timid cat and she often growls (deep gutteral growling) and hisses at Mickey. Sometimes he deserves it, as he throws her off the cat tree. Other times he is simply walking by her. Yet, much of the time they co-exist peacefully, although not lovingly as they did when they were kittens.
A few months ago I noticed a small patch of lost hair and raw skin on her neck, just below her chin at the uppermost part of her neck she could reach with her tounge. Within a few days it got larger and uglier, as she licked at it incessently. I took her to the vet and they took a culture to test for ringworm and gave me an antibiotic to give her. Taking her to the vet was traumatic for the both of us. Both she and her brother hide from other people and it was the first time in years she was confronted by another human. Surprisingly, she seemed so frightened that she was very docile and easily examined. I was absolutely amazed. Giving her meds is a very difficult experience for both of us. She is not easily handled and if she wants to hide behind the bed, It can't be done.
I brought her back after a week when it got no better. Both vets on duty looked at her and consulted. They concluded that she had an allergic reaction (alopcia, something) and that it was in an unusual place on her body. They made me cut out all fish from her diet, and to examine all cans of food for fish products, even beef foods. (Surprisingly, a turkey food can sometimes be mixed with fish) They prescribed a steriod cortisone pill dexamethosone? First, they gave her a strong shot of it. Then I gave her a half pill every day for three doses, then every other day for three more times then every third day for three more times. Luckily, I found a perfect way to give her the pill. She loves little pieces of grilled cheese. So, I crush the pill up and roll it on a piece of cheese and she eats and licks it from my finger. Unfortunately, I have to have a grilled cheese sandwhich every few days.
Within a few weeks she was almost 100%. The spot got smaller and smaller and would occassionally scab up. The scab fell off and the skin underneath healed and then a smaller scab, etc. The hair started growing back. Then, she had a small set back and I was told to continue the regiment, although I had come to the end of our original prescription.
So, two weeks later she is 100%, all the hair is back and the spot non-existent. Then, last night, after not having medicine for 4 or 5 days, she starts licking it raw again.
I am very stressed out and concerned about this whole affair. She has undoubtedly increased her appetite and water intake, so I am worried the drugs could bring on Diabetes. Although, the water intake is not outrageous. She has become a bit more docile, and for that I'm happy, although, it really isn't her way and it bothers me.
The vet says she may have to stay on a low dose cortisone forever, although not necessarily this one. She says she may be allergic to something else, dust or perfume in the kitty litter. If its dust, then we're all out of luck, as I am a bachelor and could NEVER clean this place sufficiently. There is no perfume in the litter, but I told the vet I do burn incense, and she said that might be the culprit. I also thought the problem might be stress related from the other cat, but the vet said the culture indicated an allergy.
So, I am concerned about a host of things, and worried, and very tired of eating grilled cheese sandwiches. Anyone out there have any ideas, support, anecdotes, etc., that might help me and Daisy through this. If she gets Diabetes from the drugs, it would be catostrophic, as I am not living the kind of lifestyle where I could give her the constant care she would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw.
Sara - 26 Jan 2007 01:39 GMT I know this will sound too simple, but does she eat out of plastic dishes? many cats are allergic to that, use glass or stainless and see if that helps
Sara
> My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my > small studio aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially > strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. sdavies6 - 26 Jan 2007 02:37 GMT No, not simplistic. I've heard that before. She eats out of a metal bowl and drinks water out of a ceramic one.
>I know this will sound too simple, but does she eat out of plastic dishes? >many cats are allergic to that, use glass or stainless and see if that [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >> would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially >> strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Spot - 26 Jan 2007 02:55 GMT OK..........clean the place up with a good vacumning. Stop burning the inscence, use only vinegar and water to clean with (ie scrubbing floors & counters), no arerosols, don't use carpet deodorizes cut out anything that she could be having a reaction to and see if it clears up. If not then I would suggest changing foods Fancy Feast is a good one to go with for cats who have allergies since it doesn't have all that garbage in that the other manufacturers put in. If the Fancy Feast doesn't work I would try a precscription diet from the vets office.
Celeste
> My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my small studio > aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a timid cat and she often [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially > strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. sdavies6 - 26 Jan 2007 03:16 GMT I assume you would discourage the use of air freheneers or deodorizers. What would you use to cover up the smell of a litter box, or other normal but otherwise offensive household smells? I assume spraying the air with lysol is a no-no.
> OK..........clean the place up with a good vacumning. Stop burning the > inscence, use only vinegar and water to clean with (ie scrubbing floors & [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >> would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially >> strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Phil P. - 26 Jan 2007 05:17 GMT > I assume you would discourage the use of air freheneers or deodorizers. Absolutely
> What would you use to cover up the smell of a litter box, Scoop it frequently- whenever there is waste in it and change the litter every 2-4 weeks.
or other normal
> but otherwise offensive household smells? Clean the house more frequently or more throughly.
I assume spraying the air with
> lysol is a no-no. Absolutely! Lysol is definitely toxic to cats.
If its dust, then
> >> we're all out of luck, as I am a bachelor and could NEVER clean this > >> place sufficiently. Why not? It doesn't take a special skill or formal training to vacuum and dust adequately- just a little effort.
There is no perfume in the litter, but I told the vet
> >> I do burn incense, and she said that might be the culprit. Definitely a very strong possibility if not a probably. Cut out the incense for a few months an see it helps.
I also
> >> thought the problem might be stress related from the other cat, but the > >> vet said the culture indicated an allergy. > >> > >> So, I am concerned about a host of things, and worried, and very tired of > >> eating grilled cheese sandwiches. If she just likes the cheese- melt a small piece.
Anyone out there have any ideas,
> >> support, anecdotes, etc., that might help me and Daisy through this. If > >> she gets Diabetes from the drugs, Speak to your vet about long-acting subcutaneous injections of methylprednisolone acetate. Unless there's a serious underlying problem, she probably won't need more than two or three induction injections 2 weeks apart. If maintenance shots are needed, she probably won't need them more frequently than every 8 weeks. On this protocol- most cats don't experience any side effects. But this is a *last resort*. You have to try as hard as you can to find and eliminate the cause.
it would be catostrophic, as I am not
> >> living the kind of lifestyle where I could give her the constant care she > >> would need. Sometimes we all have to make adjustments in our lifestyle for the benefit of our cats- its part of the commitment you made when you adopted her and became entrusted with her life and well-being. She depends on you to take the best possible care of her that you can.
I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially
> >> strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Cut out the incense for a few months since that's the most likely suspect. If that doesn't help, try a food elimination trial with Prescription Diet z/d Ultra Allergen-Free.
Best of luck,
Phil
Upscale - 26 Jan 2007 06:01 GMT "sdavies6" <sdavies6@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message
> I assume you would discourage the use of air freheneers or deodorizers. > What would you use to cover up the smell of a litter box, or other normal > but otherwise offensive household smells? I assume spraying the air with > lysol is a no-no. I use Maxx multicat clumping kitty litter. I'm ashamed to say that occasionally, I've gone a few days without cleaning my cat's litter box, but even then there's still been no odour. Once in awhile, I've asked visitors to my apartment if they can smell any obnoxious odour and I've always been told "no". You might want to give it a try. Admittedly, it's a little bit costlier than some of the cheap brands, but I'm very impressed with it and feel it's worth every cent.
http://www.purina.ca/products/catboxfiller/cat/default.asp?page=maxxmultiscoop
Rene S. - 26 Jan 2007 18:12 GMT > I assume you would discourage the use of air freheneers or deodorizers. > What would you use to cover up the smell of a litter box, or other normal > but otherwise offensive household smells? I assume spraying the air with > lysol is a no-no. You can make your own lysol type spray by using spring water and a few drops of essential oils. They naturally clear the air smell nice too. Just don't use tea tree oil, which is toxic to cats.
Spot - 26 Jan 2007 22:15 GMT If the litter box smells it shouldn't. Are you using scoopable cat litter? I have 3 cats who use a box with scoopable litter and I clean it twice a day my house doesn't smell and neither does the litter box except right after they use it. Clean it more often is the answer to this.
Celeste
>I assume you would discourage the use of air freheneers or deodorizers. >What would you use to cover up the smell of a litter box, or other normal [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] >>> she would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, >>> especially strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Jeffrey Kaplan - 27 Jan 2007 04:16 GMT It is alleged that Spot claimed:
> OK..........clean the place up with a good vacumning. Stop burning the > inscence, use only vinegar and water to clean with (ie scrubbing floors & [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > manufacturers put in. If the Fancy Feast doesn't work I would try a > precscription diet from the vets office. And change cat litters. Look for "Yesterday's News" or "PaPURR" brands. They're made of recycled papers and formed into pellets. Absolutely no dust, and better at absorbing cat pee than any clay litter.
One I found at the local grocery store, the other I've only found at the large pet supply places (Petco).
My cat's vet recommended it, and I love the stuff. My cat (Delany) never blinked at the change of litter.
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Rhonda - 26 Jan 2007 04:38 GMT I'm sorry you guys are going through this. Getting a cat to the vet is so traumatic for some cats -- I've been through that too. By the time I get both of us home, I just want to cry! We have some former ferals and it sounds like your kitties.
We had a cat with suspected food allergies. The stand-in vet gave him a steroid shot, and he got diabetes quickly. In three weeks he had lost a ton a weight and was drinking and peeing way more than normal. I would be worried about your cat getting diabetes too. Another vet told me you really have to watch those allergy shots. I would think they'd want to try to find the allergy instead of treating the symptoms forever.
Our cat went on IVD brand food, it is a prescription canned food with limited ingredients. Many cats are allergic to the normal proteins like beef, or to normal grains. IVD has one novel protein (like duck or venison) and one odd starch (like peas.) He did not have any more allergy problems after starting this. We also used Waltham brand limited ingredient food from Petsmart (also a prescription) and he did well on that too.
Good luck finding your cat's problem. You might talk to more people about the steroids but here in this house -- no cat gets steroids orally or by injection unless it is life or death.
Rhonda
> So, I am concerned about a host of things, and worried, and very tired of > eating grilled cheese sandwiches. Anyone out there have any ideas, support, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially strong meds. I > hate seeing her lick herself raw. Rhonda - 26 Jan 2007 04:43 GMT By the way, about the grilled cheese -- I'd get tired of that too!
They make a treat called Pill Pockets that has a little hole in it to insert a pill. That worked on our cat a few times when the pill was small. I had to feed him an extra one first so he didn't suspect anything.
I've also used Whiskers Lickin' moist treats, broken them in two and molded it around the pill. It can be more tricky because it can be crumbly, you have to mold it around and really squeeze it together.
A little tuna works too, but I don't know how much of this kind of thing you want to try on your cat if he is allergic to some foods.
Rhonda
> So, I am concerned about a host of things, and worried, and very tired of > eating grilled cheese sandwiches. Jeffrey Kaplan - 27 Jan 2007 04:19 GMT It is alleged that Rhonda claimed:
> They make a treat called Pill Pockets that has a little hole in it to > insert a pill. That worked on our cat a few times when the pill was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > molded it around the pill. It can be more tricky because it can be > crumbly, you have to mold it around and really squeeze it together. I eventually resorted to just hiding the pill in Delany's wet/canned food. Also, see if the meds are available as a liquid. It's easier to get a cat to swallow a liquid squirted into its mouth than a pill.
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Rhonda - 27 Jan 2007 04:45 GMT > It is alleged that Rhonda claimed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I eventually resorted to just hiding the pill in Delany's wet/canned > food. You're lucky. Abernathy finds the pill every time.
Rhonda
sdavies6 - 26 Jan 2007 22:08 GMT Thanks to all with your suggestions. I'll respond to all here.
As for the cleanliness of my house, I unerstand how it came off. I live in a small cramped studio apt. in NYC, for the past 30years. There are a million places I cannot get to except for special occassions. Like my old entertainment unit which I took apart to upgrade equipment and had years of dust in the back, and similar other places a cat can get into which I rarely do. I've had cats here for 30 years, these are my third pair. None have ever been allergic to anything, let alone the dust. So, it came as a surprise when Daisy, who I got as a rescue with her brother since they were 10 weeks, suddenly exhibited an allergic reaction on her neck, just two months shy of her 4th birthday. BTW, they were never feral. They were born in captivity.
I'm not as concerned with litter over the few days, as I do clean it regularly. Sometimes, they can really stink up th eplace, especially if it isn't burried. For that matter, I can too. I was just wondering what an acceptable deodorant would be, if I am keeping away from aerosals.
The pill pockets worked for two doses. After that she looked at it , and if a cat could snicker, you know that's what she was doing.
I'm really concerned about not finding the root cause of this, and having to possibly keep her on these meds for a long time. I'll speak to my vet about those injectable meds that were mentioned.\
Thanks again.
> My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my small studio > aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a timid cat and she often [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially > strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Rhonda - 27 Jan 2007 04:47 GMT Did you consider switching to the limited ingredient food?
Our cat developed his food allergies after being on the same food for years.
Rhonda
> Thanks to all with your suggestions. I'll respond to all here. > [quoted text clipped - 89 lines] >>would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially >>strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. sdavies6 - 27 Jan 2007 14:52 GMT I'll ask my vet if he thinks the change of cat litter is a good thing, both for odor and perhaps the dust. I've always used Hartz Mountian, without any perfumes or anything else.
Squirting a liquid into her mouth would be fine, if I could catch her. She instinctively knows when I'm up to something, and she won't go near me. For a week after her first shot and subsequent med doses she became fairly docile and I could go over to her, put pills in her mouth, or whatever. However, she's not as docile anymore and I need a reliable method. (I'm glad she's not as docile. While I prefer her when I can approach her on my terms -- she'll always come over on her terms -- I don't like the idea of her being in a drug imposed stupor). As the meds became more regular and less often, she became more of the old Daisy. It seems that the only thing I can count on is her coming to me when I eat grilled cheese. Kinda comical, but it works.
> My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my small studio > aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a timid cat and she often [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially > strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw. Sandra Richardson - 24 Feb 2007 02:14 GMT My cats love liverwurst and thats what I hide their pills in.
> My Daisy is a 4 year old Snowshoe Siamese. She lives in my small studio > aprtment with her brother Mickey. Daisy is a timid cat and she often [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > would need. I do not like the idea of her on meds forever, especially > strong meds. I hate seeing her lick herself raw.
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