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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2007Taking my home back - Rated R for Language.
I left the house clean this morning when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere kittens sh.tting behind my bed, peeing in my bed! yeah! there's a couple that haven't figured it out THE WHOLE HOUSE SMELT LIKE 10 YEAR OLD CRAP Lucy in the kitchen being as ugly as ugly can get TO A KITTEN I grabbed Lucy by the nap of the neck and showed her what ugly was Then there's Jupiter.. sh.tting in the kitten litter tray... a big terd big as your thumbs, laying in the little kitten tray... pure ol lazy then there's greed.. I CAN'T STAND A GREEDY SO AND SO I told Jupiter to stop doing that... I don't care what the Amazing Pussy Wizard says he better hear me.. there's power in the word NO Cats will run you down and run you over if you let them for weeks, everywhere I step, or lay or lean.. a kitten squeels... so what is the solution to all this aggrivation? I broke bad! yes I did. right now? hell, I CAN'T FIND A KITTEN OR A CAT NOWHERE at least not up under my feet I got up in the middle of the night to stoke the fire last night, Im squatting in my bday suit... doing the fire thing.. raking coals to the front of the stove...I lean back a tad and a Jupiter is under my balls... #$%$^%%^%^, I have a hug piece of wood in one hand, a poker in the other... Sooo... you put the log down... suck up all the aggrivation and say... "baby.. sit over here" for the millionth goddamn time... are they too dumb to know? yes, they are.. are they too dumb to get with the program? no they are not! Now Lucy is playing pretty in the kitchen Jupiter is laying on the bed kittens are sleeping... everybody is happy, including daddy For who a father loves, he chastises. If I didn't clear the air and remove the aggrivating behavior, then all my kids would be bastards cats needs boundaries, cats need something to respect.. as in... it's ok to clear the air and show some displeasure they do it to each other If a kitten gets in Lucys face, Lucy swipes them If Lucy swipes a kitten, I hound her down with a broom and mutherfucking dare her to do it again... im the big cat around here, I call the shots, Im in charge Cats love a good natured push over GIVEM A FUR COAT AND THEY THINK THEY OWN THE WORLD they will run you ragged into the ground if you let them don't worry about the love, they don't love you no way... you're a fool if you think they feel any love, they don't. THEY WANT TO SURVIVE.. they are simply a social creature and that's fine! we take advantage of their instincts and "pretend" they are requitting our loves.. but no... they are merely eating. or... continuing in their social practice and surviving, don't fool yourself. My point is, it's never the cats fault, cats will take as much advantage as you give them they do... so.. if you have monsters on your hands, you're the blame, but you are also the solution. Just break bad. Bear > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Bear http://health.enotes.com/childrens-health-encyclopedia/acting > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Bear You need to to spend some time with them &see if you can get mummy to show them how potty training goes. I know you are finding it difficult, but don't chastise her for using the litter, cuz it is her way of trying to show them hoew and where they *should* be going. I have had the odd mummy llike that & also know how annoying it can be for you, so I do understand. The only cure for this one, is to let mummy cut a bit of slack. Confine her to one room so that you have less palce's to clear up when you can't be there with her & kitty's,make sure that you have a litter, plenty of water & her food down.It won't take her too long to realise why & she will show her baby's what to do so that you cut her a bit more slack too. Best of luck on this one. Shout if you feel it isn't working &we can try a different strategy S;o) The kitten whos foot got hurt, is doing better. The swelling has come down a little bit. It simply looks better. The kitten is wrestling and kicking another kitten with the foot (she's doing this as I type) I watched her climb with it, run on it, now she's kicking another kitten with it. I am relieved, It's going to be fine. I never set in the recliner (or my office chair for that matter)... there's always a cat in or on something They just let me lay down in my bed. I have a bad case of bed head. > > BearYou need to to spend some time with them &see if you can get mummy to > show them how potty training goes. It's coming along, I think there's only one kitten who is going outside the box. I just caught her fixing to pee in here.. in the studio. I agree, confining her would speed up the learning part... you know... having the place tidy and consistent helps too keeping the box clean helps too... I just sat the pee'er in the box, she'll catch on I know when one is fixing to poop cause they say... ow oww owww just before they go, lol Thanks S Bear > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > THE WHOLE HOUSE SMELT LIKE 10 YEAR OLD CRAP I called it: "Barry is now chronicling a doomed litter of kittens. From conception, to birth and every heartbreaking event from now on. You and I both know what's next. I've fostered litters and I'm sure many of you have too. They will start to stink and he'll get tired of them and either turn them outside, or if they're lucky, he'll take them to a shelter long before they are old enough. They'll never see a vet. Then the ones he does keep - if any - will get knocked up and he'll start the same, ugly cycle again. All because he thinks it's "cute" and full of "life". Anyone have a puke bucket handy...? -L. " > Lucy in the kitchen being as ugly as ugly can get TO A KITTEN > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > If Lucy swipes a kitten, I hound her down with a broom > and mutherfucking dare her to do it again... You're a f.cking idiot. Lucy and Jup know better how to train those kittens than you ever will. Do nopt ever take a broom to a cat - not even to scare it. > im the big cat around here, I call the shots, Im in charge > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > but you are also the solution. > Just break bad. You're an a.shole and an idiot. If I had the means, I'd send someone over there to liberate ever single one of those cats. -L. > > I left the house clean this morning > > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to birth and every heartbreaking event from now on. You and I both know > what's next. what are you babbling about? who said anything about abandoning or shucking the kittens you douche bag > I've fostered litters and I'm sure many of you have too. They will > start to stink and he'll get tired of them and either turn them > outside, or if they're lucky, he'll take them to a shelter long before > they are old enough. it wasn't the kittens you non reading hemoroid IT WAS JUPITER sh.tting IN SHALLOW LITTER *Consider hot oil for that dry fly away fuzz on your head > They'll never see a vet. Then the ones he does keep - if any - will > get knocked up and he'll start the same, ugly cycle again. All because > he thinks it's "cute" and full of "life". what do you do when you kid spills his milk, slap him upside the head? Im sure you do. > Anyone have a puke bucket handy...? go eat tree bark and save an ant, aaaww pooowa widdle ant.. are you lost.. can't find your way home take him home Lyn and feed him some sugar water. Name him and put him in a little jar, make a pet out of him. you dumbass > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I grabbed Lucy by the nap of the neck and showed her what ugly was CRINGE. Please don't let your testosterone get the better of you. You don't have to play big tough man to your cat. > Then there's Jupiter.. sh.tting in the kitten litter tray... > a big terd big as your thumbs, laying in the little kitten tray... > pure ol lazy > > then there's greed.. I CAN'T STAND A GREEDY SO AND SO Greed is a condition pretty much owned by humans. You cannot put out litter trays and direct who goes to what tray. In fact, you catch a cat in a litter box and give them hell -- they will STOP using the litter boxes. Makes sense, doesn't it? You've taught them to go anywhere except the box because the box is evil. > I told Jupiter to stop doing that... > I don't care what the Amazing Pussy Wizard says he better hear me.. > there's power in the word NO > > Cats will run you down and run you over if you let them Barry, they're cats. They aren't a personal threat or a competitor. > for weeks, everywhere I step, or lay or lean.. a kitten squeels... > > so what is the solution to all this aggrivation? Yep, you have too many cats. You couldn't wait to have them. To have that many cats, you have to have a lot of patience and you have to understand cat mentality. They aren't an animal to whip into shape and make them obey you, they just aren't. You want to make them afraid of you? Keep up the work with the broom. They'll never be under your feet again, they'll be cowering away from you. I started to read your post and was sure you were going to say you couldn't handle the situation and you hauled them all off to Wal-Mart. So what are the plans for the kittens? They've been wormed already, right? This makes me sad. Rhonda > This makes me sad. > > Rhonda Why do people, including Rhonda, need to assume the worst and assign the worst to a set of details? mm mmm mmm >>This makes me sad. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > mm mmm mmm Call me Sherlock, but maybe it's what you wrote? Rhonda > > mm mmm mmm > > Call me Sherlock, but maybe it's what you wrote? > > Rhonda I've been thinking about what you said, lol Let's talk about capacity for a second, we all have one and let's face it, cats are no picnic. Had I known then what I know now, I would have still taken Jupiter and Lucy. About capacity, see... it's not just the cats... think about it (im just speaking for myself) One can put 1,000 to flight but TWO can put 10,000 to flight, 3 can take a city. Thing is... I am alone, I don't have any help, even a soldier needs a break sometimes. Truth is, I have been affected by external affluence. (somebody aggrivated the living crap out of me)... cause normally..? them cats are not even a second thought. (i just came to realize this after reading your post and thinking about what you said)... True, I blew a fuse. If I had yesterday eve to do over, I wouldn't have yelled, but I have a capacity and a human had dumped so much on me, towards me... I was about to pop. I am no god or angel Im just a man... Thanks for listening one more thing... How come I don't get any warnings when I am approaching capacity seems like I should have this thing nailed down by now and tween you an me, I never hurt Lucy, part of my venting was ranting on here <pivoting one heel from the ball of my foot> I exxagerated, there was sh.t all over the house,just one little nugget I had stepped in but it did stink in there and you know what? for all my ranting.. wanna know what it did for the cats?' Nothing. This morning Jupiter was crouched up n the kitty litter tray, lmao I ran her out (this morning).. she goes in the kitchen only to greet a sour puss Lucy Oh well > > mm mmm mmm > > Call me Sherlock, but maybe it's what you wrote? > > Rhonda I've been thinking about what you said, lol Let's talk about capacity for a second, we all have one and let's face it, cats are no picnic. Had I known then what I know now, I would have still taken Jupiter and Lucy. About capacity, see... it's not just the cats... think about it (im just speaking for myself) One can put 1,000 to flight but TWO can put 10,000 to flight, 3 can take a city. Thing is... I am alone, I don't have any help, even a soldier needs a break sometimes. Truth is, I have been affected by external affluence. (somebody aggrivated the living crap out of me)... cause normally..? them cats are not even a second thought. (i just came to realize this after reading your post and thinking about what you said)... True, I blew a fuse. If I had yesterday eve to do over, I wouldn't have yelled, but I have a capacity and a human had dumped so much on me, towards me... I was about to pop. I am no god or angel Im just a man... Thanks for listening one more thing... How come I don't get any warnings when I am approaching capacity seems like I should have this thing nailed down by now and tween you an me, I never hurt Lucy, part of my venting was ranting on here <pivoting one heel from the ball of my foot> I exxagerated, there was NOT sh.t all over the house,just one little nugget I had stepped in but it did stink in there and you know what? for all my ranting.. wanna know what it did for the cats?' Nothing. This morning Jupiter was crouched up n the kitty litter tray, lmao I ran her out (this morning).. she goes in the kitchen only to greet a sour puss Lucy Oh well <posted twice I think... I changed the above line, "there was NOT crap all over the house" but it did stink (from jupiter burying the log in shallow clay) bigbroombarry wrote: > Thing is... I am alone, I don't have any help, even a soldier needs a > break sometimes. (cue violins and bitter tears) > Truth is, I have been affected by external affluence. (somebody > aggrivated the living crap out of me)... I see. You beat your cats because someone ELSE "aggrivated" (sic) you? http://health.enotes.com/childrens-health-encyclopedia/acting > True, I blew a fuse. If I had yesterday eve to do over, I wouldn't have > yelled But you still would have beaten them with a broom? How restrained of you. > one more thing... How come I don't get any warnings when I am > approaching capacity > seems like I should have this thing nailed down by now Other people thousands of miles away have to tell YOU when you're out of control?! http://www.google.com/maps?li=d&hl=en&f=d&iwstate1=dir:to&daddr=3300+Rivermont+A ve,+Lynchburg,+VA+24503+(Piedmont+Psychiatric+Center)+%4037.439253,-79.188760&iw loc=1 > and you know what? for all my ranting.. wanna know what it did for the > cats?' > > Nothing. Just like your effect online. You ARE nothing. > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Bear > I left the house clean this morning > when I came home it was ragged with sh.t everywhere [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Bear sounds just like little kids, kids also need to be shown boundaries too, in fact kids liek to have rules and structure so they know what is what. Infact i was reading somewhere about orphaned and hand reared kittens having poor social skills and being scratchers and biters when they grow up more than normal cat-raised kittens. the reason being that the hand reared ones did not have the mother cat there to give them a swat with a paw whenever they misbehaved, or their siblings there either to do the same and put them intheir place when they stepped out of line. In effect they did not learn 'manners' inthe cat sense of the word, and when to not bite humans and others kitties and how to play nicely, and when they became adults they geenrally foudn it hard to get along with other cats ina household. of course there can always be exceptions to the rule, and I am sure that someone will come up with some, but it does make sense to me. btw kittens do poo, alot, a hell of a lot, you have to be prepared for that, but they are worth it bookie > btw kittens do poo, alot, a hell of a lot, you have to be prepared for > that, but they are worth it > > bookie- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I think they are all going in the litterbox now, I have to scoop it again now, it's only been about 5 hours...ive got a larger tray for them The largest kitten is catching up with Jupiter in size, she's a little bit lunky, but growing in poise and grace. Lucy (little sister) rants on Jupiter and the kids all the time, she needed a little jolt; she was being so vile with the babies, I HATE IT and I HATE GREED I am convinced that they understood nothing I told them. I give them waaaay to much credit, I blasted them. I called Jupiter a little slut for bringing all this in on us. I looked at her and told her it's her fault. and I told Lucy, I was gonna take her to the gas chamber if I saw that sh.t again she did it again this morning, but not near as ugly, so I pick and choose my battles. Im just brutally honest where others need something to runnay finger through KICKIN N SCREAMIN it was not a hell in here, I was just very bold, no pain to anyone, just bold. I sat in the lazy boy and there was a kitten up in the chair, I smushed a foot some. A black kitten, the foot is swollen around all the toes, the heel and up the leg to the knee I am broke tonight or I would take it to the vet at the corner. Maybe someone will sponsor the injury, but Im pretty sure there are no rich bitches on here. sheelagh dont have much money, I know you don't, Nomen could probably pay this, I think he damn well should. Matt pays his dues, I wouldn't feel right letting Matt pay this one, lol... Im tapped out, but the kitten is not crying so... I bet the swelling goes down tonight. For pain? all I can say is it's hot as a handbag in a can of mace in my bedroom. I picked up a 2 full time jobs... Im just brutally honest, and the stuff they was doing was more than I could take anymore. not the kittens, but the fighting.. over the weekend, Lucy and Jupiter went toe to toe.. fighting. 2 explosive rounds in several room in the house. I broke them up by exploding on them with my voice. boom they broke. I don't have time for this mess... where is the love? WHERES THE FREAKIN LOVE I DEMAND IT > > Bearsounds just like little kids, are you reefering to me? my stash was past cracking it broke and.. well... the capacity went down a little. a couple of beers and I could just say f.ck it but, I gotta pay for food for me, cybercat keeps sending me cases of best quality can food for kats and kittens, now If I can just talk her into ordering me up some chinese tell'em call Trust Chinese lynchburg va, send it to 112 smyth st, they know me real good, I gave them a 30 bill 2 weeks ago. otherwise it's country style pork ribs are on the stove. werth I GOT ON ALL FOURS AND BARKED LIKE A DOG WHEN JUPITER WENT UP UNDER ME... almost drooling... > > > Bearsounds just like little kids,are you reefering to me? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I GOT ON ALL FOURS AND BARKED LIKE A DOG WHEN JUPITER WENT UP UNDER > ME... almost drooling... YOU NEED TO TAKE THE BLACK KITTEN TO THE VET, IMMEDIATELY, sort out the money another time, write them a bouncy cheque or something, put it on a credit card, how much will it cost? you cannot leave this kitten to be injured as it will get worse if it is not treated and so will the cost of treating it if it is not looked at soon (ie if it is serious and not attended to it may get infected, need amputating etc and that willl cost much much more) also, you can say what you like to cats, they won't understand a word, but if you want them to stop unsavoury behaviour and do something else you have to use POSITIVE REINFORCEMENT such as giving them treats when they do something acceptable, puttign catnip in the places you want them to be or visit to scratch, give them a treats when they go to toilet in the right place such as the litter and not the bed. shouting will just scare them and a scared cat shows it's distress by peeing and pooing everywhere but the litter tray because it is distressed and scared. think about what you can do to encourage GOOD behaviour. and check when you next go to sit down you big fat clumsy bastard I feel hurt for her in this, I don't have a checking acct, that's a good idea but still, I woulnd't break the law over this.. not this.. (write a bad check) she is walking on the foot, she lets me touch it and I can tell it is not broken. I have also seen her with the leg and foot up under her. She's appears to be comfortable, there is no blood, so there is nothing to sterilize, no risk of infection. Im going to crate her for the evening, maybe the night and watch her closer. > > > > Bearsounds just like little kids,are you reefering to me? > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > think about what you can do to encourage GOOD behaviour. > and check when you next go to sit down you big fat clumsy bastard- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - On Jan 24, 2:26 am, "Werther's Original" <bigbadba...@gmail.com> wrote: > I feel hurt for her in this, I don't have a checking acct, that's a > good idea [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > not broken. > I have also seen her with the leg and foot up under her. I wouldn't advise bouncing a check, but I understand why bookie told you to(& so would I for that matter if I did't have the brilliant vet i do have. Bouncing a cheque over here isn't as big a deal over here as it seem's to be over your side. We just get snotty letter's from the bank & penalised financialy afterward's...that's we why we try not ot, but if need's be, I would too if I had to I hope thing's are a bit better thanb they were? S;o) > She's appears to be comfortable, there is no blood, so there is nothing > to sterilize, no risk of infection. Im going to crate her for the [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > think about what you can do to encourage GOOD behaviour. > > and check when you next go to sit down you big fat clumsy bastard- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I take it back, I would write a check for an emergency such as that one appeared to be, the swelling is almost gone, she's moving about normally. I suspect she somehow over extended it, thus the swelling, but little thing snapped back together. I gave 2 black ones away today, Im keeping the last black one since she/he was hurt. It loves me so much. I found a home for the tortie, but didn't get off work in time, I missed the woman who wanted it. And bookie is wrong, it's not about wether or not cats understand what we are sayng, it's about, do they "get us" somewhere in our words, they sense many things about us.. right? they have to!... So! I encourage everyone to talk to your cats like people, they love it! For example, about a week ago I told Jupiter. <my eyes got big> and I told her.. "it's going to be cold as a witches tit tonight" DO YOU KNOW SHE CLIMBED UP ON THE WOOD PILE, LOOKED AT ME AND LAID DOWN. She knew. She fully understands and appreciates the purpose of the wood. > On Jan 24, 2:26 am, "Werther's Original" <bigbadba...@gmail.com> > wrote:> I feel hurt for her in this, I don't have a checking acct, that's a [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > think about what you can do to encourage GOOD behaviour. > > > and check when you next go to sit down you big fat clumsy bastard- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > I found a home for the tortie, but didn't get off work in time, I > missed the woman who wanted it. tortie cats are the best cats is the world, they are all slightly insane but they are all wonderful, i really miss the one we had for 17 years until she died last year afer losing the fight with a massive tumour in her stomach, 17 years of madness, love, games, 'presents' brought to you in the morning and dumped on your bed, purrs, dribbles, head butts, more purrs, and lots and lots of love. Tegan was a wonderful cat and if i had the chance to have another dark tortie cat again i would, i am drawn to them in shelters because of her. People say they are a bit unhinged and too feisty and unoredictable in their behaviour but tegan never was, she was too busy purring and demanding cuddles to be feisty. > And bookie is wrong, it's not about wether or not cats understand what > we are sayng, it's about, do they "get us" > somewhere in our words, they sense many things about us.. right? they > have to!... what i mean is that they do not understand the exact words, but they will take on board our tone of voice so you could be telling one of them they are a smelly waste of space but in an endearing voice and they would take it as a compliment and start purring because of your tone. You can tell a cat to 'get off the kitchen table' but they will not exactly understand what you just said, they cannot speak english for christs sake! what they will understand that if they get a treat when they are on the floor and off the table they will be better off if they stay on the floor. Simple positive reinforcement here. you do not always have to use scolding to train an animal, but praise, cuddles and treat when they do want you want them to do (or just avoid doing what you do not want them to do) will go a long way and is generally far more effective. > So! I encourage everyone to talk to your cats like people, they love > it! i agree, definitely talk to them but don;t expect them to understand perfectly what you are saying, talking to them in a calm and soothing is very good for the relationship. Some people seem to think that talking to their plants makes them grow, but not so sure about that. > For example, about a week ago I told Jupiter. <my eyes got big> and I > told her.. "it's going to be cold as a witches tit tonight" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > She knew. She fully understands and appreciates the purpose of the > wood. not sure I do, what is 'cold as a witches tit'? is that the same as 'cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey'? or is it colder? why the wood? > > On Jan 24, 2:26 am, "Werther's Original" <bigbadba...@gmail.com> > > wrote:> I feel hurt for her in this, I don't have a checking acct, that's a [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > > think about what you can do to encourage GOOD behaviour. > > > > and check when you next go to sit down you big fat clumsy bastard- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - what i mean is that they do not understand the exact words, but they > will take on board our tone of voice so you could be telling one of > them they are a smelly waste of space but in an endearing voice and > they would take it as a compliment and start purring because of your > tone. lol > You can tell a cat to 'get off the kitchen table' but they will > not exactly understand what you just said, they cannot speak english > for christs sake! what they will understand that if they get a treat > when they are on the floor and off the table they will be better off if > they stay on the floor. Simple positive reinforcement here. simple enough, better than nailing them with a sock, is catching them. AHA! I KNEW IT! watch them run. you're a sucker and your cat plays you like a cheap fiddle. > 'cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey'? or is it colder? > why the wood? haha, yes it is, no it's not brass ball cold yet. I just got home about 30 mins ago, I took the tortie to her new slave. I rode my bike up and down hills to an old bus station and handed the cat off to Ms Mary. That went down nice. I flew down some big hills on the way home, the cold wind brings tears to your eyes and pushes it's icy tentacles up your nostrils and into your forehead, water is stinging your nose and eyes. Your lungs are pumping icy cold air, but you don't think about it. reinforcement here.simple enough, better than nailing them with a sock, is catching them. > AHA! I KNEW IT! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > your forehead, water is stinging your nose and eyes. > Your lungs are pumping icy cold air, but you don't think about it......... I prefered Whether's Original..... S;o) .................\|||/ ...............(o o) ,----ooO--(_)-----------. |.....Please..................| |...don't feed the........| | .....TROLL... !...........| '-------------------Ooo--' ...........|__|__| ............||... || .........ooO Ooo |
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