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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2007ping bookie
personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance > personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts > > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance They really are kind of like bookends, aren't they? In a way .... > > personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts Nah...I don't do angry anymore...Nice Is far nicer ... > > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance Total happenstance, I assure you..Did you miss us? > They really are kind of like bookends, aren't they? In a way .... Do you mean proping both ends up lol??? S:o) > personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts Good evening Big B. Now why would that be? > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance Happenstance I would believe,lol S:o) > > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance > > Happenstance I would believe,lol > S:o) well your timing is good hopefully you won't encounter any more... shall we say inconveniences, yes I also love reading about teen behavior, I love hearing what families are up to Ime ane olde blinde man, people laughe at me, but I always finde them withe my cane I can smelle their feare far as "chatting", I can hang with the best of them, lol you should see me swapping recipes on rec.food.cooking I seen you post over there. lol you're the perfect cat, just set out and do what you like you and bookie are cats see your tales and youth remind me of the broadway musical, Cats A local high school put it on, they did an awesome job! It was also the first time the play was liscensed to be performed by other play-groups - Imagine that! have you ever seen Murials Wedding? that's what I picture with you and bookie Have a nice day cp > personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts > > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance bless you! you missed me didn't you? > bless you! you missed me didn't you? <nodding my head> yeah, you seemed quiet, a little too quiet, it made me think you might be up to no good? im up lighting a second oil heater, you would call it a parafin heater, but it's the same thing. what a nice difference it makes, it's the differnce of HOT and just ok in here. I like it hot, I can always fan the door, or open the window a little wider I like a heater where you can back your iss up and warm your buns i don't like these wimpy central heat units, you can' t find a warm spot in the house Happy new year cp > > bless you! you missed me didn't you? > > <nodding my head> He He,I thought you might be...you see we are quite good fun after all,hey? > yeah, you seemed quiet, a little too quiet, it made me think you might > be up to no good? I wa s up to no good lol,It just took some containing > im up lighting a second oil heater, you would call it a parafin heater, > but it's the same thing. Is It very cold where you are ? > what a nice difference it makes, it's the differnce of HOT and just ok > in here. Do the pussy cats like it too? How are they btw? No more chuck ups I hope? > I like it hot, I can always fan the door, or open the window a little > wider > I like a heater where you can back your iss up and warm your buns > i don't like these wimpy central heat units, you can' t find a warm > spot in the house Cats tend to like warm spots too.When I light the fire, all of the cats seem to come out of their cubby holes, just so that they can lie on the fire side rug, doing the dying fly in front of the fire. He ,or she that comes first, gets prime place in front of it.. Mind you, If one of the logs starts spitting on it, they Jump out of the way hastily, just in case one of the bits make it through the fire gaurd lol > Happy new year > > cp Happy new year to you too S;o) > > bless you! you missed me didn't you? > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > cp I have not been well past couple of days, flu or something, and now jessie has gone awol and i have to go out and we have no cat flap so i cannot just got out and leave her locked out cos it looks like it is going to rain any second and i am worried about her being locked out in awful weather. mayeb she is hiding in a the bottom of a cupboard somewhere. make sure you are careful with those oil heaters, don't start a fire and end up with singed kittens. personally have radiators which jessie loves stretching out underneath, anmd i can sit with my back leaning on them to get really warm. I am considering gettign a radiator bed/hammock thing but i am wondering whether cats really use them, any experience with them? thank god christmas is over > thank god christmas is over baaa humbug! you got a hangover yeah, I take a little pride in my heaters Im the wick expert around these parts sorry you're not feeling well have you tried gatorade and peaches? whens the last time you sat down to a big home cooked meal? that's what you need in the meantime, try keep your head, feet and hands warm <wrapping a bright green scarf around bookies neck, handing her a bag lunch and sending her out the door> I always wanted to do that > > > bless you! you missed me didn't you? > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > awful weather. mayeb she is hiding in a the bottom of a cupboard > somewhere. Oh Bookie, I knew there was something Up~Most unlike you not to put in a regular appearance.What *you need* Is a rather large box of Lem sips & ultra soft tissues, as well as a decent totty at bed time. I'm really sorry to read about Jessie.I do hope that you have found her now? I worry when my gang arn't In too, if we need to go out. We recently had Upvc windows and doors fitted because they all desperately needed replacing so we thought that we would go for something that would last for a few years.In haste I fear.. .I forgot to take into consideration that we can't fit a cat flip into any of them.Actually, I was wondering If anyone has ever tried fitting one into a glass window before?It must be possible as long as you know what you are doing?I need to fit at least one in so that the go - outer crew can get indoors when It is tipping it down.Presently, I'm leaving the shed open so that there is at least some shelter for them, but It Is hardly Ideal.When we get another cold snap, I would rather know that they can make It indoors so that they can spread out under the radiators or In their beds . > make sure you are careful with those oil heaters, don't start a fire > and end up with singed kittens. Very true. B,Can you get a fire that we refer to as a Super Ser? It Is a mobile Gas fire that you can move from room to room should you wish to.It has a gas bottle inside that you can turn on and off when you need to?It also helps with cold bum syndrome too-Don't forget to leave a crack open In one of your windows.You need to be aware that carbon monoxide is just as poisinous to the Mogg's as It Is to you.Silent & deadly stuff that Is! A Sper Ser Is slightly more safe that a parrafin heater I think. > personally have radiators which jessie loves stretching out underneath, > anmd i can sit with my back leaning on them to get really warm. I am > considering gettign a radiator bed/hammock thing but i am wondering > whether cats really use them, any experience with them? Same here.Gas central heating,& I still have the open fire in the living room.I couldn't bare to part with it, But It is nice to have the back up Gas, so that you don't have to go & clear It all out before lighting It & there being warmth for us all.To be perfectly honest, It is a bit of a pain in the butt , having to clear It out.All worth It on a cold freezing evening, especially with an Iron fork to make toast with. The radiator beds that you mention are absolutely brilliant Bookie.In fact the only down side Is that they can't take over 3cats at the same time.. once they realise that one of the cats is in one, they all want to get in. I got another 2 for xmas & I have located them in several parts of the house so that they have a choice of radiators to choose from now.Well worth the money.Try Argos for both Cat flap's & radiator beds.They have quite a range at incredibly reasonable prices.Go for a stronger one than a more cheaply priced one.It pays you to.. > thank god christmas is over Hear hear, only one more birthday to go, then a break from the endless money pit:( I am determind to start xmas gift buying in January this year. I feel a bit of the hum bug fever too, but with younger children, It would be wrong of me to inflict my personal feelings about It on them. The true meaning of xmas does seem to have lost It's true meaning, & has become so commericalised!But then again, half of my problem Is self Inflicted because I leave It until the last possible moment before taking off like a woman with too much purpose, with too little money. I do hope that you feel better soon Bookie.Are you back to work this week?My lot are going back to school tomorrow <heaving a sigh of relife> S;o) > > > > bless you! you missed me didn't you? > > > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > relife> > S;o) I can't leave jessie out when I go out because we dont; have a cat flap either so she woudl have no way to get back in and she is an old girl and really should not be left outside when it is going to be cold (and she might get into a fight with the big tabby and white bruiser from a few doors up). Therefore I have to get her inside before I can close all the doors and go out myself, usually she is good and comes when i call her and she is usually not too far away, just got a bit frantic this time. Also cannot have a flap fitted as the back door is all double glazed glass. I suppose could have a tunnel knocked into the back wall but that is a bit extreme as we only rent the house (and I ahve read that cat flaps are not the greatest of inventions when it comes to having a secure house with no feline intruders to scare your own moggies). I think that if you cut a whoel for a flap into a singel sheet of glass (as we have in our back doors) it would weaken the pane of glass and be no good at all. But someone i was cat sitting for this week has had a tunnel knocked through the wall next to her glass patio doors and that seesmto work for her 2 cats, a normal cat flap is fitted onthe outside of it and it is lined with plastic tubing. She got a professional builder into do it though so god knows how much it cost her. anyway hopefully with the new term starting I will get some supply work, have to wait until a few weeks into term when all the staff will get ill and start going off sick and then i get called. Frustratign when you only get paid for the days you actually go into a school so you do not get paid any other time and you depend on there being a big epidemic of flu or something so you can eanr enough money to pay bills. it is not the way to live really. Still probably better than having a permanant job in a school with all that bloody marking and prep and kids aggro and parents giving you crap all the time and refusing to accept that their darling child is actually a totally brain dead and insolent little sh.t and oxygen thief who should have been shot at birth, anything is better than having to deal all that sh.t again. At least with supply I can just walk away at the end of the day and dont; have to see the kids again ever (mostly). question; do you think some people common here purely to be abusive to others regardless of what the topic is to be discussed? sometimes I get that impression, pretty sad really. don't they have other things in their lives? Bookie >insolent little sh.t and oxygen thief who should have been shot at >birth, anything is better than having to deal all that sh.t again. Hmmm. I wonder if you aren't in the wrong line of work, bookie. Maybe you could get a job working as a prison guard, or something else that would allow you to express your personality without having to face negative repercussions. Charlie > >insolent little sh.t and oxygen thief who should have been shot at > >birth, anything is better than having to deal all that sh.t again. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Charlie go into the average school straff room and you will hear all sorts of opinions on the darling pupils being expressed and they make mine seem tame by comparison. Until you have experienced for yourself what state schools in britain in some of the bad areas have become you probably won't believe some of the tales which come out of them. bad behaviour and general lack of respect for themslevs or other people has grown from total lack of back up from senior teachers (who themselves no longer teach but instead tend to stay in their offices in some quiet corner of the school from which they regularly issue forth dictats on how the classroom teachers are supposed to do their jobs) and the abandonment of any sanctions which teachers had in order to control the kids (detentions, corporal punishment). the result now is anarchy and slipping educational standards caused by this total lack of control of the kids who themselves know that the teachers have no sanctions left in place. Sanctions and discipline are not just there to punish the 'bad' ones but also to make the whole place safer and give a feeling of security to the 'good' ones. personally i have lost count of the number of times I have been shoved or hit by pupils, sworn out, told to 'f.ck off' or similar. And before you ask, I DO NOT respond to them in their language, whatever you may think of me I always manage to maintain a degree of professionalism and would not stoop to their level anyway. I would not want to give them the satisfaction of knowing they have wound me up, so you develop a very thick skin after a while and try not to take it personally. the most frightening thing I read was about a female teacher, new to the job (I forget the details, i think the school was in north londno somewhere) who was raped by a boy pupil who hung around after school one day. It was right at the start of the school year back in september, she was sitting in her classroom marking books, must have been about 4pm, and he came in, think he had a knife, and raped her. I suspect that there have been more than just this occasion aruond the country but the teachers in question may have been unwilling to report it because they know that the pupil/rapist may well just claim that the teacher forced themselves on the pupil and get the teacher to be viewed as the perpetrator and not the victim when it should be the other way round. These days the pupils are always believed to be telling the truth before any investigation has taken place and they know that when it is their word against a teacher's that the pupils will win. This is something that some of them have used in the past to 'get back' at teachers they bear a grudge against; make an allegation of abuse of whatever against disliked teacher, teacher is immediately suspended until investigated, even when the teacher is found to be completely innocent all that happens ot the pupils is a mild slap on the wrist whilst the teacher's career is in tatters, no other school will employ them, all because of a vicious false allegation which will stay on their record for any other school to check. kids are more conniving and devious than most people want to admit, particularly in this country, I know from experience. actually am thinking about accountancy, the work is dull but the salary more than makes up for that after you qualify, and no kids or parents to deal with >actually am thinking about accountancy, the work is dull but the salary >more than makes up for that after you qualify, and no kids or parents >to deal with Sure. Accounting is a good line of work. There's no point struggling to get a job you detest. Charlie > >actually am thinking about accountancy, the work is dull but the salary > >more than makes up for that after you qualify, and no kids or parents > >to deal with > > Sure. Accounting is a good line of work. There's no point struggling > to get a job you detest. I agree, I tried accountancy when i first graduated but it wasn't for me then, there was lots of extra study to do for professional exams and all i wanted to do at the time was see the world and not have to struggle through more exams, not after just finishing a degree anyway. I am a lot more grounded and less bothered about keeping up a hectic social life (well actually thanks to my chosen sport I have no social life anymore to worry about) so am more likely to knuckle down to all the after hours studying which is required to pass the exams for it. do accountants in USA have to study for it and pass exams etc? here you have to do so, and the courses have a very heavy workload and the exams are quite tough so you can become ACA qualified (or whatever, i am sure someone will correct me on that). It is worth it cos the salaries are good, and the work does give you a general knowledge of business and how it works, can be long hours depending on which of the firms you work for and where inthe country you are based too (london firms are most hardworking it seems from my friends who do it). I often think about something which Confucius (apparantly) said; "find a job you love and you will never work another day in your life" . think about it, he was spot on. All I have to do now is find a job as a professional cat cuddler. Bookie >> >actually am thinking about accountancy, the work is dull but the salary >> >more than makes up for that after you qualify, and no kids or parents [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >social life (well actually thanks to my chosen sport I have no social >life anymore to worry about) so am more likely to knuckle down to all ??? What is your sport, and how did it end your social life? >the after hours studying which is required to pass the exams for it. > >do accountants in USA have to study for it and pass exams etc? here you Yeah. In the U.S. we have Certified Public Accountants, the same as your Chartered Accountants. >have to do so, and the courses have a very heavy workload and the exams >are quite tough so you can become ACA qualified (or whatever, i am sure [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >work for and where inthe country you are based too (london firms are >most hardworking it seems from my friends who do it). If you go to work for an accounting firm, they'll encourage you to seek promotions and thereby make a slave out of you, but you can also work as an accountant for a business or hang out a shingle and do tax returns. >I often think about something which Confucius (apparantly) said; "find >a job you love and you will never work another day in your life" . >think about it, he was spot on. All I have to do now is find a job as a >professional cat cuddler. Somewhere in between is an occupation you might not "love," but at least don't loathe, which seems to be how you feel about teaching. Charlie All I have to do now is find a job as a > professional cat cuddler. so you do hook, you just need a pimp > All I have to do now is find a job as a > > professional cat cuddler. > > so you do hook, you just need a pimp Tske Tske Tske, Your only supposed to be picky picky picky in cooking lol. She meant in the litteral sense, silly........ S:o) > All I have to do now is find a job as a > > professional cat cuddler. > > so you do hook, you just need a pimp Tske Tske Tske, Your only supposed to be picky picky picky in cooking lol. She meant in the litteral sense, silly........ S:o) >question; do you think some people common here purely to be abusive to >others regardless of what the topic is to be discussed? sometimes I get >that impression, pretty sad really. don't they have other things in >their lives? >bookie wrote: Only one or two of them-But everyone knows who they are & does everything possible to avoid them (Even me now that I know better.I learnt this one the hard way ...as usual)... > > >insolent little sh.t and oxygen thief who should have been shot at > > >birth, anything is better than having to deal all that sh.t again. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > Charlie LOL I can just imagine you reading this statement & shaking your head in wonder. Charlie, you need to meet these sad individuals & thier parents to appreciate exactly what Bookie means. > go into the average school straff room and you will hear all sorts of > opinions on the darling pupils being expressed and they make mine seem [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > abandonment of any sanctions which teachers had in order to control the > kids (detentions, corporal punishment). > the result now is anarchy and slipping educational standards caused by > this total lack of control of the kids who themselves know that the > teachers have no sanctions left in place. Sanctions and discipline are > not just there to punish the 'bad' ones but also to make the whole > place safer and give a feeling of security to the 'good' ones. This very true.I have 5kids all of whom are @ various levels in the education system, & I have wittnesed some of the things that Bookie tell's you, so I know that what she tells you is in fact true. On this side of the pond,we use different words that you probably might not understand.One of these terms is a word called *chav*.Have you heard this word before? It used to be a slang word, but has now been added to the Oxford Consice Dictionary It's connoation imply's that the individual child or children involved are of a group that wear a certain type of sport's wear ,& that they are the sort of child that feels a need to be involved with gangs, & to prove themselves worthy of initiation or involvment. Thier main objective is to be as disruptive in nature as possible.Vandal orrientated & a general niusance.They are loud, oportunistic,criminal minded & fear nothing, least of all a teacher or any other authority that might be involved, including the police-In fact recently we had a big news section that indidcated that they particularly aspire to get a badge of particular honour to themselves, to wear with pride it would seem.The name of this badge is an ASBO. ASBO is shortend or abbreviated for it's real term Antisocial behaviour order.An order such as this, is issued by a magistrate's court, where they will have already recieved plenty of warnings to alter their behaviour pior to receiving one. Normally, an asbo is issued by them & has conditions attatched to it, such as to refrain from going into certain areas where they have caused trouble, & to avoid certain people;a bit like a restraining order that you have.(I watch Judge Judy sometimes lol..).It also has a final warning attatched to it, stating that if they break the rules, such as curfew orders, then they must face the consequences, which is normally a short stay at an youth offenders institution.The more often you do it, the longer your sentence will be. The only way that I can equate it, is with your gang culture nature in the Usa. They are real pests, & often the parents really don't care enough to deal with the problem, which in most cases is related to thier own nature and problems too. > personally i have lost count of the number of times I have been shoved > or hit by pupils, sworn out, told to 'f.ck off' or similar. And before [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the satisfaction of knowing they have wound me up, so you develop a > very thick skin after a while and try not to take it personally. To do so in this instance would be like asking for the sack with no hope of a reference.It is sad, but very true. No one wants to admit responsibility for their behaviour.You do have to be extreemly tolerant, or have the abitity to hit the shut down botton when they start on you personally. > the most frightening thing I read was about a female teacher, new to > the job (I forget the details, i think the school was in north londno [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > as the perpetrator and not the victim when it should be the other way > round. I have read about this case too.It is frightening to think that a child is capeable of doing such a terrible thing, but they do!! Over here, there is a policy that anyone is innocent until proven otherwise...but in reality, this is often not the case at all-as she points out, some people are more equal than others, children being the inclusion to the rule here.There was also another case where a headmaster was stabbed for trying to stop a fight quite recently too. I can appreciate why a teacher feels threatened & wouldn't want to make a complaint against as child, because most parents tend to believe the child 1st, then question the validity of the childs statement, which sadly more often or not is just a story to get them out of the proverbial sh.t!! > These days the pupils are always believed to be telling the truth > before any investigation has taken place and they know that when it is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > them, all because of a vicious false allegation which will stay on > their record for any other school to check. This is sadly true too.Once an allegation is made, It is almost impossible to get away from the allegation, even when it is proved beyhond reasonable doubt that they were in fact, telling the truth:( > kids are more conniving and devious than most people want to admit, > particularly in this country, I know from experience. I *think* that in the Usa, that this is taken far more seriously over there , than it is over here? Where as trouble makers are routed out, & sent to more appropriate "schools", enabling the teacher to achieve the other brighter childrens true potential. A terrible shame, but true all the same I fear... No wonder that we find ourselve's having to import more core workers such as teachers, nurses, police ,firemen & doctors even. Our kids go to university, then go abroad to get a decent job where they will be appreciated, paid far more, & respected too-It is also an excellent way of getting out of paying back the Enormouse loans that college students have to take out to study at university as well.A crying shame actually! > actually am thinking about accountancy, the work is dull but the salary > more than makes up for that after you qualify, and no kids or parents > to deal with My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer statement...It was, "well I blame the parents personally"... It was sooo true!!!? I would die of shame if my kids were like that. S. > >question; do you think some people common here purely to be abusive to > >others regardless of what the topic is to be discussed? sometimes I get [quoted text clipped - 157 lines] > I would die of shame if my kids were like that. > S. astounded that someone backs me up on this, most people seem to think being a teacher is a doddle (don't know what planet they are on but not the same one as me). teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and the policy makers, the politicians and the bigwigs in powers who don't actually know what it is lie to work in a school, 'at the coalface' to coin a phrase, all scratch their heads and wonder why. All they would have to do woudl be to set up hidden cameras in a few classroom of your average secondary school and watch some of these little c*nts in action, being abusive to teachers and other pupils, being violent, disrupting lessons, preventing me form doing my job and others from learning anything, and it woudl be soon obvious why teachers are finding other careers. most only stay inthe job about 3 years after they qualify now, then they realise what a pile of sh.t it is, how poorly paid it is, that you are treated like sh.t by senior teachers, parents and kids and leave to do something where they are actually treated like a human being and paid an appropriate amount for their hard work and qualifications. i am gettign out now, i have had one nervous breakdown already due to the utter shitness of the job, I am not going to have another. a few things which may need clarifying here though; chav, i think the USA equivalent is 'trailer park trash'? if you have ever seen Little Britain (comedy show, probably nto seen have you?) the character Vicky Pollard is a perfect example, lives on council estate, already has had a few kids, one of which she swapped for a Westlife cd, probably only about 15 years old, wears chavvy kappa brand shiny tracksuits and trashy white reebok trainers the whole time but saves her 'good trainers' for court appearances (mostly for thieving offences), usually found hanging around kiddies playgrounds, smoking and offering the local boys 'favours' in return for drugs. also thanks to the government, prob in a bid to save money on education and redirect it into far nmore important things like more bombs or refurbishing the main bar in the house of commons, we no longer have special school or untis to send these horrible.. er... I mean 'challenged' kids. These schools have all been shut down under a policy of 'inclusion' meaning that all the sh.t kids are now included inmainstream schools where people who are not supported or trained in how to deal with these little sh.ts have to try to cope with them as they disrupt lessons and destroy the chances of any of the other kids in classes with them of getting any sort of education as the teacher is occupied full time with dealing with these morons unaided. bookie >My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I >don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer >statement...It was, "well I blame the parents personally"... >It was sooo true!!!? >I would die of shame if my kids were like that. >S. Are you familiar with the poetry of Philip Larkin? He lived in Hull, where he was a librarian with a somewhat lonely and threadbare life. I think you and Bookie would both enjoy his work. Your description of teenagers in the U.K. makes me think of "A Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made into a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Charlie > Your description of teenagers in the U.K. makes me think of "A > Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made > into a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. > > Charlie I've seen clockwork orange, I never figured out what it was about. The teens in the UK?... That is surprising to me why do I get the feeling the adults think it's cute? > >My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I > >don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > where he was a librarian with a somewhat lonely and threadbare life. > I think you and Bookie would both enjoy his work. To my shame,No-But I will try the library for that one.Bet you Bookie has though!!! Can't wait to try it though lol!! > Your description of teenagers in the U.K. makes me think of "A > Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made > into a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. Not yet...I intend to see if I can get a copy of it today from the local dvd/video library to see if they have one for me to watch.I have heard of it though.If I remember rightly, I think that it might have (sh.t, cant remember his name-he was in fawlty tower though??)I will let you know what I think afterwards too... S;o) > Charlie > Not yet...I intend to see if I can get a copy of it today from the > local dvd/video library to see if they have one for me to watch.I have > heard of it though.If I remember rightly, I think that it might have > (sh.t, cant remember his name-he was in fawlty tower though??)I will > let you know what I think afterwards too... > S;o) it's kind of weird, i've watched it at least 4 times, im clueless of the plot <html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><title>Google</title><style><!-- body,td,a,p,.h{font-family:arial,sans-serif} .h{font-size:20px} .h{color:#3366cc} .q{color:#00c} --></style> <script defer> <!-- function sf(){document.f.q.focus();} window.clk=function(b,c,d,h,i,j){if(document.images){var a=window.encodeURIComponent?encodeURIComponent:escape,e="",f="",g="";if(b){e="&url="+a(b.replace(/#.*/,"")).replace(/\+/g,"%2 B")}if(c){f="&oi="+a(c)}if(d){g="&cad="+a(d)}(new 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Thinking back on it,I believe I have seen it-Iwas a long time ago, around 18years or so. I*think* have bigger fish to fry... I'm not sure If you remember this, but a few weeks ago I was asking whether to issolate my queen (Belle Ragdoll)? I think I have a feeling it might have been a day or two, too late.(talk about bolting the gate after the horse has bolted). She is plump, has coral pink nipples, & I have a feeling I might be a grandma very shortly. I don't know whether to be delighted or horrified. S. It's not her fault, It is my fault, either way. >* have bigger fish to fry... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > S. > It's not her fault, It is my fault, either way. dear God! > >* have bigger fish to fry... > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > dear God! An extreem case of the pot calling the kettle black here;( S. > > >* have bigger fish to fry... > > > S. > > > It's not her fault, It is my fault, either way. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > An extreem case of the pot calling the kettle black here;( > S. it is rather extreme so you just throw yourself on the mercy of the group? no blameing or pointing the finger? hmmm, you're a bigger man than I am... > > > >* have bigger fish to fry... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > pointing the finger? > hmmm, you're a bigger man than I am... Who....Me?????? I don't think I have much choice really, do I:( Poore li'l old Belle, I feel awful about it, & yes I do feel a few fingers headed my way....But then you wouldn't dream of it, would you ROFLOL???? I put a photo of her in blind cat,Bookie's bit that Mary started up. You will see her in there with tazy, & a few other kitty's she has had in prior litters. She is off to the vet as soon as she has had them(IF she is up the duff).. <on my knee's right now begging,cant you see me?> S;o) > I put a photo of her in blind cat,Bookie's bit that Mary started up. > You will see her in there with tazy, & a few other kitty's she has had > in prior litters. I'm not sure where you put the photo. who is Mary? where is Bookies bit that Mary started up, you must mean MaryL > She is off to the vet as soon as she has had them(IF she is up the > duff).. > <on my knee's right now begging,cant you see me?> > > S;o) a wittle wouder pwease? > > I put a photo of her in blind cat,Bookie's bit that Mary started up. > > You will see her in there with tazy, & a few other kitty's she has had [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > a wittle wouder pwease? It's posted under, Bookie:any new on the blind cat. Yes, It is Mary L by the way. "MY CAT IS PREGNANT, I AM A FOOL"! You mean like that? She is, I'm 95% certain of it.... That makes her ready to drop around last week in last week of January or the 1st week in February, going by my calendar... <Sheelagh is most definaley on he hands and knee's, begging right now> I am very much hoping that it is going to be a small litter;less than 3kittens with any luck at all- mind you, It isn't very often that I have good luck when I Want it to be good luck!! Howz dem kitty's den? They should be waddeling about by now & getting mega cute too. I have also decided to keep Lucy(fur!)..By popular demand~It has been decided that I now own her because she loe's Tilly, my 10yr old!She is absolutetly deighted about it all., buf I am starting to feel like a cattery would, I think lol!!!! I am starting to feel a like a care home for the catz;it is already called Catz~Cask Never mind,It is all good fun! S;o) > I am starting to feel a like a care home for the catz;it is already > called Catz~Cask > Never mind,It is all good fun! > S;o) well, im not one to wring the nose it's been beautiful here, day and night the kittens are kicking and Im loving it > > I am starting to feel a like a care home for the catz;it is already > > called Catz~Cask [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's been beautiful here, day and night > the kittens are kicking and Im loving it Lucky old you:o) It will be my turn too in a few weeks time..I can't wait. For the 1st 3weeks, they look like little white blind mice, then within a week they suddenly morph into little fat pom poms ropming all over the place;in fact they take over the house & we all work around them! All too soon I find myself sorting through sheet and hours of applicants wanting one of them to love for the next 16ish years.The trick is read between the lines and find the genuine one's that really do want to love one for ever, and ever, rather than the ones that want an "expensive looking" kitty that matches their interior decore. There are some really genuine ones out there that love kitty, for kitty alone. It* is hard* finding the apropriate homes.By appropriate, I don't mean the ones that have the money to throw around, I mean the one's that will love them for who they are, rather than what they are, If that makes any sense to you? Many times, I have ended up almost giving them away to a families who have children & lots of action in the home, rather than the one's with 2.5 kids, a square huge mortgage,the most fasionable car ...& no time to spare just giving kitty cuddles for the sake of it?! I advertise as soon as I know they are on the way, so that it gives me the time to get to know them & meet them well before I consider them for one of them.By the time they are ready to go home, I "need" to be assured that I am doing the right thing, & I have some really good hurdles to put them over too~ If they get through them, then I consider them. It's a bit like giving the family heirloom's away..I need to know that I have done the right thing, well before I do it..... I have one in mind already.She is a lady that lost her beloved tabby cat, & called me thinking I was advertising a tabby, when what I actually meant was a tabby point. She had, had her tabby for 15 years & felt guilty for looking foir another companion because she was so lonely.@49, I consider her well young enough to be around for kitty's natural life & is at home all day to cuddle her too...I told her to stop feeling guilty & to carry on living.Having met her, I think she is just the sort of mummy I am looking for! S:o) . > I have also decided to keep Lucy(fur!)..By popular demand~It has been > decided that I now own her because she loe's Tilly, my 10yr old!She is > absolutetly deighted about it all., buf I am starting to feel like a > cattery would, I think lol!!!! thank god for that! I wondered when you would see sense, it would be just too heartbreaking for little Lucy to be wrenched away from a home and friend she loves and where she feels safe finally. She has definitely got her paws under the table then? do we get any photos of her? bookie > . > > I have also decided to keep Lucy(fur!)..By popular demand~It has been [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > bookie This is very true,lol!I was just a bit worride about what my neighbors think, & that is the wrong apprach to life. It's my damned house & as long as they are no nuisance to any one, then I so no reason to worry. Lucy has most definately got her claws into the rug & under the tabe too,tee hee>"o"< I will get the camera out tomorrow morning and get a few decent ones of her to share with you all.She is a really silken sox & cuddlesome cat now that Tilly has given her a loada love and time too.I don't think Tilly would have forgiven me If I had either(homed her I mean).. Kids have homework to do for an hour or 2, then be back on line to tell you more about her in today's acheivements ... S:o) > > Not yet...I intend to see if I can get a copy of it today from the > > local dvd/video library to see if they have one for me to watch.I have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's kind of weird, i've watched it at least 4 times, im clueless of > the plot John Cleese. that was the name of the guy in it I think? Thinking back on it,I believe I have seen it-Iwas a long time ago, around 18years or so. I*think* have bigger fish to fry... I'm not sure If you remember this, but a few weeks ago I was asking whether to issolate my queen (Belle Ragdoll)? I think I have a feeling it might have been a day or two, too late.(talk about bolting the gate after the horse has bolted). She is plump, has coral pink nipples, & I have a feeling I might be a grandma very shortly. I don't know whether to be delighted or horrified. S. It's not her fault, It is my fault, either way. > > Not yet...I intend to see if I can get a copy of it today from the > > local dvd/video library to see if they have one for me to watch.I have > > heard of it though.If I remember rightly, I think that it might have > > (sh.t, cant remember his name-he was in fawlty tower though??)I will > > let you know what I think afterwards too... > > S;o) er.... you are thinking of a flim called "clockwork" about a headmaster who tries and fails to get a headteachers conference to give a speech,. played by john cleese, comedy. "A Clockwork Orange" is very different..... > it's kind of weird, i've watched it at least 4 times, im clueless of > the plot right... group of delinquent teenagers get together, they are bored, disaffected, sexually frustrated and generally quite f.cked up (sorry if I get the details wrong but it has been a long time since I read the book or seen the film). they together as a gang and have Alec the most f.cked up as their 'leader', and for some reason they chose as their uniform to wear on their 'excursions' of robbing, violence and sexual assaults, bowler hats, white boiler suts and doc marten boots, and generally carry big stick and truncheon s around to hit people with. Basically they seem tot get a kick out of violence and violent sex (certainly alec does). well during an unsuccessful burglary involving an old lady and an enormous sculpture of a penis, Alec is caught by the fuzz and taken away, tried and found guilty of loads of deviant crimes. He goes to prison where he is selected by some official type person in charge of prison or something (home office minister? i can't remember correctly) for some fantastic new treatment of rehabilitation of offenders and this is wehre it gets interesting (for me anyway). The treatment is basically conditioning using negative reinforcements; Alec is forced o watch videos of violent acts and sexual practices whilst being made by use of drugs to feel nauseous (physically sick). I think he is also beaten up and possibly given electric shocks when shown these images too? Basically what they are trying to induce in him is the feelign of repulsion and nausea whenever he is presented with the kind of things (violence, sexual assault, generally brutality) that used to 'turn him on' before, therefore hopefully turning him into a reformed character and cured of the desire to do bad and nasty things ever again. ok i may have got some of that wrong but it has been a long time since i saw the film so correct any of the things I got wrong if you know better. get it out on dvd or video if you want sheelagh, it can get a bit psychedelic and weird at times, and it is rather too long for my attention span, but it is a interesting critique on the violent minds of the disaffected youth of today and the possibility of rehabilitation of violent offenders. watch it then tell us what you think of it. personally I would rather get out 'March of the Penguins', or a video of nothing but kittens playing together, i don't like to be reminded of the terrible violence and suffering so common in the world around me. I can't even watch Watership Down without crying my eyes out even today, I haven't even attempted to watch Bambi. bookie > >My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I > >don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > where he was a librarian with a somewhat lonely and threadbare life. > I think you and Bookie would both enjoy his work. yes i am familiar with his work, he was also a bit of a ladies man too as well as writing the now infamous line 'they f.ck you up your mum and dad' (which is what i think you are referring to) > Your description of teenagers in the U.K. makes me think of "A > Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made > into a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. yes it was anthony burgess who wrote a clockwork orange, he wrote it based on his own experiences when his house was broken into by a gang of delinquents, his wife raped and most of his possession stolen in the process as he was kicked and beaten by the gang. He kind of extrapolated the characters in the book from what he thought the individual inthe gang were really like, their lives, histories, what made them do it, their motivations. Certainly as someone with a background in psychology I find the treatment of Alec is very interesting although not sure that simliar conditioning would be effective in all cases. oddly enough i got bored with the film and fell asleep the first time i watched it but the book held my interest much more (films and videos tend o have a generally soporific effect on me anyway, i just have to press 'play' onthe machine and i am asleep already) unfortunately the portrayal of teenagers and disaffected youth by mcdowell etc inthe film is not very far from the way the young of today do behave in this country, terrible really, burgess probably did not realise his work may actually be prophetic (although I have never been hit over the head with a massive sculpture of a penis by one of them, not yet anyway) bookie > Charlie > > >My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I > > >don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made > > into a movie directed by Stanley Kubrick. You know what, you are a true treasure of useful information,lol) > yes it was anthony burgess who wrote a clockwork orange, he wrote it > based on his own experiences when his house was broken into by a gang [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > is very interesting although not sure that simliar conditioning would > be effective in all cases. You have just saved me a week's worth of evening reading in this instance. It has saved me going to the library to order a film & or book, that no doubt not be there, then, also every spare moment in between time trying to read it then understand it's hidden innuedoe's to understand it's inner & obviously hidden meaning..because it wwasn't obvious to the layman's eye, I assure you! I found the film rather hard to follow.In fact It was so hard, that I had to watch it twice,yet still didn't understand what it was trying to convey.I found it rather distasteful-but then again, so are chav's,so perhaps the reason was not lost on me...? > oddly enough i got bored with the film and fell asleep the first time i > watched it but the book held my interest much more (films and videos > tend o have a generally soporific effect on me anyway, i just have to > press 'play' onthe machine and i am asleep already) Soperific, Is a word that I haven't heard in some time,lol..but very effective in what you were you were trying to point out.It was rather a boring film unless you understood it's true meaning. > unfortunately the portrayal of teenagers and disaffected youth by > mcdowell etc inthe film is not very far from the way the young of today > do behave in this country, terrible really, burgess probably did not > realise his work may actually be prophetic (although I have never been > hit over the head with a massive sculpture of a penis by one of them, > not yet anyway) On this I think we can agree.I think that it is unusually prophetic,or more specificaly,prophetic about the youth of Britain today. When I used the word chav, it was because of the connotation of it's meaning.It was the best way that I could find to describe the thought pattern of today's youth's & what they aspire to & to give Charlie some idea of thier mind set..also It's medal of honour, thoughtline when it comes to Asbo's. In describing them, I hoped that he would understand why we were speaking of them in such a negative manner & mindset. If I can take you to a different film, it would be to *Men In Black*, where Will Smith came out with the line, "the best of the best,...sir" .It was delivered in such a derogatory manner , even though it's simple implication was that of sarcasm.... This takes me back to your original statement, where I think that Charlie thought you were being overly, genuinely cynical when describing some of your more *challenging* students... I would have to say, that possibly, If he could equate some of them to Usa's gang culture, that he might understand how truely obnoxious some of your students can be?!! Also, being a bank teacher, doesn't help matters- simply because It didn't really give you the time to set boundry's with some of the trash that you are presented with, & by law, given no chioce other than to try & teach them the national curiculum.No easy task... And, frankly, I personaly, would prefer the thought of teaching criminals in the penal system to teaching some of the morons presented by todays parents. This, was where I attributed it as the parent's fault, because surely if you cared one whit for your child, you would do anything that you could to ensure that your child didn't turn out like that-I am aware that some children are soooo willful that nothing works.However, these are few & far between, where as in the case of the convict, I believe that most of them are there in the learning process because they choose to be there;the child isn't and will do anything that they can to provoke a reaction..thaat is in fact exactly what they want, so that they can use that instance against you as Bookie was tring to tell you. With 5kids of my own, I come into contact with a variety of these kids & can assure you that it must indeed be a very challenging career. I could suggest sticking to infant and junior school... but I am sorry to say that they can be just as bad there too. (elementary & junior high) On the whole, given the fact's, I think I would go for accountancy too,lol Ps:I hear that B.Telecom pay extreemly well, or even consider banking..@ least you get the fringe benefit;s that go with it... > bookie > > Charlie Sheela :o) . >> >My mother once came out with a statement that I have never forgotten.I >> >don't think that she realised that she has never made a truer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >yes i am familiar with his work, he was also a bit of a ladies man too ??? Larkin? No. He was too introspective. He had a huge pornography collection, however. Larkin was in charge of the library at the University of Hull. Here is a riff he composed about his job: "Day by day your estimation clocks up who deserves a smile and who a frown And girls you have to tell to pull their socks up are the ones whose pants you'd most like to pull down" He was a lecher, a racist, and something of a misogynist. But he wrote good poetry. >as well as writing the now infamous line 'they f.ck you up your mum and >dad' (which is what i think you are referring to) Yeah. But Larkin's correspondence has been published, and his view of the world bears some similarity to what I see in the back-and-forth between you and Sheelagh. So I think you would enjoy the complete range of his work, which has all been collected into one volume. >> Your description of teenagers in the U.K. makes me think of "A >> Clockwork Orange," a book by Anthony Burgess (I think) that was made [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >hit over the head with a massive sculpture of a penis by one of them, >not yet anyway) They have nothing great to look forward to, and nothing terrible to struggle against. Meanwhile they see the lives they'd like to have being acted out by celebrities, and it just makes their own lives seem that much more barren and frustrating. I understand. I was a punk in my time. But I wasn't overtly violent. Charlie > They have nothing great to look forward to, and nothing terrible to > struggle against. Meanwhile they see the lives they'd like to have > being acted out by celebrities, and it just makes their own lives seem > that much more barren and frustrating. I understand. I was a punk in > my time. But I wasn't overtly violent. I don't give a sh.t if they don't have anything concrete to struggle against now, they will have when they leave school and have no qualifications and are trying to get a job and buy all the things that they take for granted and were given as kids. Does not give them they right to treat me like dirt and be nasty and abusive to anyone and everyone who tries to help them. f.ck them all, bring back corporal punishment, it would do most of them the world of good can we talk about furry kittens now? >> They have nothing great to look forward to, and nothing terrible to >> struggle against. Meanwhile they see the lives they'd like to have [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >can we talk about furry kittens now? Sure. My furry cat is named Tweaker. I acquired him one night when I was driving along and he loomed up in my headlights, sprawled across the road, bleeding from his eyeballs. I took him home and he recovered. He was a barn cat, had never been neutered, and was full of parasites (fleas and ear mites). Now he is a pampered housecat, and he is the friendliest cat I've ever had. Charlie > Sure. My furry cat is named Tweaker. I acquired him one night when I > was driving along and he loomed up in my headlights, sprawled across [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Now he is a pampered housecat, and he is the friendliest cat I've ever > had. Sigh. I love that story. Give him a face rub for me. >> Sure. My furry cat is named Tweaker. I acquired him one night when I >> was driving along and he loomed up in my headlights, sprawled across [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >Sigh. I love that story. Give him a face rub for me. He is sitting in my lap at this moment, purring and burrowing his head into my armpit while I type this. Charlie > He is sitting in my lap at this moment, purring and burrowing his head > into my armpit while I type this. > > Charlie Lucille did that today, I was sitting at the dining table and she had worked her way into my lap. She kept headbutting my wrist then up my arm. > > He is sitting in my lap at this moment, purring and burrowing his head > > into my armpit while I type this. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > worked her way into my lap. She kept headbutting my wrist then up my > arm Have any of your cats gone the whole hog, & knocked the whole plate down whilst your mind was elsewhere so far? Ringo did it to me on sunday, just for the chicken on the plate! Yet another bad habit to break...speaking of which, this is day two since I gave up smoking. I am gagging for a fag, but refuse go give in:( I know I will appreciate it later, but right now I really could almost give anything for one! > >> They have nothing great to look forward to, and nothing terrible to > >> struggle against. Meanwhile they see the lives they'd like to have [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Now he is a pampered housecat, and he is the friendliest cat I've ever > had. bless, all cats were really born to be pampered, whenever anyone comes out with "you spoil that cat!" i always reply "yes?! and?!!!!" i don't see what their problem is, unless of course they think i do not spoil my cat enough, but I hope not. had he been hit by a car then? internal bleeding after head trauma can cause that kind of bleeding from eyeballs and into the eyes, awful to see, is he fully recovered? do you have any photos to show? does he have any kitty friends? poor sausage, nice to know he found someone to love and worship him in the way he should be, as all cats should be. btw I am not keen on larkin, I prefer john betjeman and his poetic portraits of a forgotten england, the england of the pre and post war years, of the home counties, of cricket matches on village greens somewhere in surrey or berkshire, of romances and courtships conducted in the correct manner, etc etc. I think my favourite of his 'The Subaltern's Love Song' and the images it conjures up of wholesome innocence as a young man courts his sporting young lady in the proper manner (' we stayed in the car park until a quarter past one, and now I'm engaged to Miss J. Hunter-Dunn!) and how he adores all the small aspects about her. I wish chaps were like that these days; patient, courteous, gentlemanly instead of being selfish twats who only want to get a quick shag out of you. oh well, nevermind, Bookie >> >> They have nothing great to look forward to, and nothing terrible to >> >> struggle against. Meanwhile they see the lives they'd like to have [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >had he been hit by a car then? Yes. >internal bleeding after head trauma can >cause that kind of bleeding from eyeballs and into the eyes, awful to >see, is he fully recovered? do you have any photos to show? does he >have any kitty friends? He has canine friends. I am more or less permanently taking care of someone else's dog, and my tenants have a pit bull named Joey. Tweaker is friends with both of them. >poor sausage, nice to know he found someone to love and worship him in >the way he should be, as all cats should be. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >manner (' we stayed in the car park until a quarter past one, and now >I'm engaged to Miss J. Hunter-Dunn!) and how he adores all the small Right... "Miss J. Hunter Dunn, furnish'd and burnish'd by Aldershot sun..." I think of Betjeman as a satirist who made fun of provincial mannerisms. Maybe I sell him short. To be honest, I haven't read much of his poetry. >aspects about her. I wish chaps were like that these days; patient, >courteous, gentlemanly instead of being selfish twats who only want to >get a quick shag out of you. Hmmm. You are frustrated with your surroundings, aren't you? Charlie >oh well, nevermind, Bookie > Hmmm. You are frustrated with your surroundings, aren't you? more disappointed these days > > Hmmm. You are frustrated with your surroundings, aren't you? > > > more disappointed these days Bookie, I would be most interested to know whether you see your screen like this link when you post? I noticed it this morning: when I had a quick peep at the final posting re:Quote:Nooo,I don't love that.I hate that story... written by someone called cat friend? http://pets-99.com/groups/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=56763 I have never viewed my screen like this and wondered whether it is just me, or whether this is a different way of posting? It offer's a lot more ways of posting to more groups than I have ever noticed before. I can't shake the feeling it could be someone we already know? A very odd feeling about this because it is an unregisterd poster.I thought you had to be registered to post? S. > think that if you cut a whoel for a flap into a singel sheet of glass can't believe I wrote that!!!! I meant HOLE not whole, gods it's late Nooo. I' don't love that. I hate that story -- Cat Friend - Unregistered Use > > personally I wish you and sheelagh would go back to showing your butts > > > > did ya'll plan your entrance? or was that happenstance > > bless you! you missed me didn't you? Bookie Of course he did lol .It is our quintessential sense of humour.... Or perhaps it is our droll witty sense of humour...? Or possibly It because we stood upto that dual personality chap that hasn't been taking his medication, forgot what bugger off means,lol I can't say that I blame him either..He who shall not be named but feels the need to be known for his wonderful name with the implication that he skins bunny's... Do have a look @ It's profile & topics.Mat suggested that I did, & I can assure you that It is quite interesting.It certainly gave us a laugh.... S;o) It would seem that you were spot on about the medication, or the lack of it in this instance Of course he misses us, lol S;o) |
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