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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004Urine Testing Beads
My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine sample for Meesha. Has anyone's cat ever successfully peed with these beads? I've had Meesha in the bedroom all day with the beads in her empty litterbox and she still hasn't gone. I have to keep her in the bedroom so that Mickey doesn't pee in that particular litterbox. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine > sample for Meesha. Has anyone's cat ever successfully peed with these > beads? I've had Meesha in the bedroom all day with the beads in her > empty litterbox and she still hasn't gone. I have to keep her in the > bedroom so that Mickey doesn't pee in that particular litterbox. I didn't know Meesha wasn't feeling well. Let me know how the beads work out if you ever get a sample. When I suspected UTI for Bonnie way back when, she wouldn't go in a litterbox of gravel for me to draw a sample in a syringe for the vet, either. Can't say I blame her. Purrs to Meesha.  SignatureCheryl >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >I didn't know Meesha wasn't feeling well. Let me know how the beads work >out if you ever get a sample. When I suspected UTI for Bonnie way back >when, she wouldn't go in a litterbox of gravel for me to draw a sample in a >syringe for the vet, either. Can't say I blame her. Purrs to Meesha. Thanks, Cheryl :) Meesha isn't really sick. This is part of her wellness checkup. She's been on the natural cortisone and the vet just wants to make sure everything is good. I just went in there again and she still hasn't peed. I'm about to give up. I find it hard to believe that anyone's cat has ever gone in these beads. They should put some sort of cat attract stuff in the beads at least, you know like that Cat Attract litter. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine sample > for Meesha. Has anyone's cat ever successfully peed with these beads? I've [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm I'd never heard of these. Maybe you should demonstrate to her how to use them... hee hee hee. >From: "Karen M." mskitty@NOSPAMeasystreet.com >> My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine >sample [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >I'd never heard of these. Maybe you should demonstrate to her how to use >them... hee hee hee. LMAO!! Too late though. I took the beads back to the vet this morning. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm "PawsForThought" ------------> > My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine sample > for Meesha. Has anyone's cat ever successfully peed with these beads? I've > had Meesha in the bedroom all day with the beads in her empty litterbox and she > still hasn't gone. I have to keep her in the bedroom so that Mickey doesn't > pee in that particular litterbox. This topic is very important to me too. The vet wants Mooch to have a urine test and they said to bring him in and they'd just keep him until he left a sample in an empty litter box. Now, this just ain't gonna happen. Neither cat has ever gone anywhere except the litter box at home here filled with litter. I do take them outside on long leashes, and when they want to use the litter box, they'll indicated they want to go inside, they'll use it and want to come back out, although Mooch did go in the garden when he had bladder infection symptoms and had to go every few minutes. [Treated twice for this, once with Clavamox, then with Cefodrops and is the reason the vet wants the tests] But those were unusual circumstances. Vet said to bring him in after the latest smptoms cleared up and he's through the course of the medicine. So I should do this next week. I've heard of cats not going for days as they were locked away from their litter box. Happened to my boss accidentally locked kitty outside for weekend. Cat waited by door, very desparate for litter box as evidenced by way she ran in house to use it when he came home. Sorry to ramble, just way dreading making that appointment. And he _hates_ being away from home so much... bill n PS Lauren... Last weekend we talked about SwheatScoop, I said they liked it? Apparently they used it a couple times and decided they hate it. After that day they never used it again, always using the old litter. I even tried burying their clumps in the SwheatScoop without success. So this even prooves he won't go anywhere. Maybe I'm getting too worked up over this, but I don't want to have to argue with the vet. >From: "billn" li&st@wi.rr.com >I've heard of cats not going for days as they were locked away from their >litter box. Happened to my boss accidentally locked kitty outside for >weekend. Cat waited by door, very desparate for litter box as evidenced by >way she ran in house to use it when he came home. We ended up putting regular litter in the box because I had the same concerns about Meesha holding it all day. As soon as I put litter in the box, Meesha went immediately. I ended up taking those beads back to the vet this morning for a credit. Meesha has to go back in a month so maybe I'll have the vet take urine then. Can't they do it pretty easily? I've heard they can manipulate their bladder so they go, or use a needle to get a sample, but I don't know. The thought of them putting a needle in her bladder doesn't sound so good. Since the only reason the vet wants the urine sample is for a wellness check, I'm not sure what to do. >PS Lauren... Last weekend we talked about SwheatScoop, I said they liked >it? Apparently they used it a couple times and decided they hate it. After >that day they never used it again, always using the old litter. I even >tried burying their clumps in the SwheatScoop without success. So this even >prooves he won't go anywhere. Oh no, I'm sorry to hear this, Bill. Cats - what are you gonna do? LOL Fortunately my cats never had a problem with the Shweat Scoop. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm "PawsForThought" -------------> > >From: "billn" > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Since the only reason the vet wants the urine sample is for a wellness check, > I'm not sure what to do. I'm not really sure. I've heard about the needle method, but what a way to go. I hope there's a simpler way. Glad that it's only a wellness check for Meesha. For the big Moochka -- I'd like to see him get a test incase that bug that's been giving him trouble is still hanging around. If it even is a bug. I've been reading about FLUTD [Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease] and found out that the average age is 4 years [his age] but in 50% of cases the cause is undetermined. I'm going to have a conversation with the vet this week regarding just how they intend to do it, but the way I was told by one of the techs {I guess she was} is what I said, keep him in a cage with an empty litter pan 'til he goes. I say that sounds too much like punishment for him and I doubt that unless they made him drink so he _had_ to go, he'd sit there forever hollering for me. I know him, I spend most of my time with him and his sister. > >PS Lauren... Last weekend we talked about SwheatScoop, I said they liked > >it? Apparently they used it a couple times and decided they hate it. After [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oh no, I'm sorry to hear this, Bill. Cats - what are you gonna do? LOL > Fortunately my cats never had a problem with the Shweat Scoop. Heh, ain't that the truth :-) Gotta love 'em though. Enjoy the rest of the weekend. bill n >^..^< >From: "billn" li&st@wi.rr.com >I'm going to have a conversation with the vet this week regarding just how >they intend to do it, but the way I was told by one of the techs {I guess [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >hollering for me. I know him, I spend most of my time with him and his >sister. Yeah that doesn't sound like a very pleasant experience for the cat. Can you post what the vets say after your appointment? I'd be curious. Good luck, Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm "PawsForThought" -----------> > Can you > post what the vets say after your appointment? I'd be curious. > Good luck, > Lauren Sorry to be away so long, just have more time for here during the weekends. Sure, I'll post what eventually happens. Wow, I didn't think this thread would grow so big for us! Signaturebill n "PawsForThought" ---------------> > >From: "billn" li&st@wi.rr.com > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Yeah that doesn't sound like a very pleasant experience for the cat. Can you > post what the vets say after your appointment? I'd be curious. Well, I talked to my vet on the phone yesterday and she now says that since his problem has not reappeared we can probably not do the urinalysis. [He had symptoms of a UTI 3 times in a few month period. The last time the symptoms reappeared even before the last bottle of clavamox was used up. She then put him on Cefo-drops after a shot of dexamethasone. Anyway, it's 3 weeks since the last episode] So, I don't have to worry about that and I just hope the symptoms don't come back. I did ask just how she would obtain the sample and she told me that her preferred method is the urocentesis [sp?], or the needle into the bladder. I mentioned my concerns that I'd been told he'd be placed in a cage with an empty litter box and she said there must have been a misunderstanding. Well, maybe so, but I know what I was told. Just my opinion, but in that place I think they should let the vets do the talking instead of the other staff, then I wouldn't have spent all this time dreading this. Her reasoning for the misunderstaning is that a cat may be placed in a cage when brought in for urinalysis, but only if at the time of collection the bladder is empty and some time has to pass for urine to be produced. I guess if the owner can't stay or whatever... But again, I know what I was told, and to me it's a case of someone of the support staff just telling half the story. But like I say, for now it can be avoided as long as he stays symptom free. So, that's it for now, thanks for reading... Signature============================ >^..^< |== bill n ==| >^..^< ============================ circa 25 Apr 2004 00:59:57 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said, > We ended up putting regular litter in the box because I had the same concerns > about Meesha holding it all day. As soon as I put litter in the box, Meesha [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Since the only reason the vet wants the urine sample is for a wellness check, > I'm not sure what to do. Every time Jacob goes in for his CRF workups, the vets get a urine sample from him at that time, usually via needle although once in a blue moon just by expressing his bladder. Every time, getting the urine has taken only a few seconds and Jacob hasn't expressed distress at the process. Yes, he feels the needle, but it's a tiny needle, especially in comparison to what I use to give him his sub-Q fluids, and he barely even flinches when they do it. It's really not as horrific a procedure as it sounds. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Every time Jacob goes in for his CRF workups, the vets get a urine > sample from him at that time, usually via needle although once in a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Laura Yes, and I believe the cat holding the urine for a long time can have the side effect of producing a UTI. Better to do the needle urine collection than make the cat go through the stress of holding his pee. I got those beads one time for Bartleby, when he kept getting repeat UTI's. I sat with him in the bathroom for hours waiting for him to go. If I left him alone in there, he would cry so pitifully. One vet told me, and now I can't remember which way it is, they get a better sample from the needle collection, or the cat expressing the urine. Wish I could remember which it is. Signature-Kelly kelly at farringtons dot net Check out www.snittens.com >From: "KellyH" Kelly@whatever.com >Yes, and I believe the cat holding the urine for a long time can have the >side effect of producing a UTI. Better to do the needle urine collection [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >collection, or the cat expressing the urine. Wish I could remember which it >is. This just makes me wonder more if any cats have EVER gone in those darn beads, LOL Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm OK, here's my annual story about the urine test. Tipsy, our cerebellar hypoplasia cat (imagine two drunks in a cat suit), needed to contribute a urine sample. I thought it would be easy enough, as I am the one who puts her in the pan at least twice a day. Got the little pearls from the vet, disinfected the litterpan (which in Tipsy's case is a large busing pan from a restaurant supplier), sprinkled in the beads, then added Tipsy. She performed perfectly as always (she pees and poos while laying flat on her side), did her usual pawing at the sides of the pan and in the air to "cover" the spot, then began to tumble herself out of the pan, which is her habit. Those darn beads are round and slippery! Tipsy tumbles, but into the pan not out of it. Gets up, tumbles again, gets up, tumbles again. All too fast for me to grab her out. When I do manage to lift Tipsy out of the pan, she is upset and she is wet. And the pan is dry. Not a drop of urine, every molecule having been absorbed into Tipsy's long coat. So Tipsy gets a bath. And I found a much simpler way of getting her urine sample (putting a container under her behind as she urinated the next time around). Needle aspiration is best, though. Clean and quickly done. And probably less stressful on the animal than spending the day (or night) at the vet's. Sharon Talbert Friends of Campus Cats with love and hisses from Tipsy >From: Sharon Talbert stalbert@u.washington.edu >Got the >little pearls from the vet, disinfected the litterpan (which in Tipsy's [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >a much simpler way of getting her urine sample (putting a container under >her behind as she urinated the next time around). Oh no! LOL Now I thought of trying to stick a small cup under Meesha when she's peeing in the box, but her body is only about an inch away from the litter, so I can't quite figure out how to do it. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa 28 Apr 2004 12:23:38 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said, > Oh no! LOL > Now I thought of trying to stick a small cup under Meesha when she's peeing in > the box, but her body is only about an inch away from the litter, so I can't > quite figure out how to do it. NyQuil cup? :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Mon, 26 Apr 2004 03:06:10 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, KellyH (Kelly@whatever.com) said, > Yes, and I believe the cat holding the urine for a long time can have the > side effect of producing a UTI. Better to do the needle urine collection [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > collection, or the cat expressing the urine. Wish I could remember which it > is. They get a better sample from the needle. However, when they're looking for crystals, that may not be the case; I'm not sure. For infections and USG testing and the like, getting a sample directly from the bladder is better, as I recall. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com >Every time Jacob goes in for his CRF workups, the vets get a urine >sample from him at that time, usually via needle although once in a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >fluids, and he barely even flinches when they do it. It's really not >as horrific a procedure as it sounds. That's interesting, Laura. I would think the cat would protest. Thanks for letting me know. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa 26 Apr 2004 15:20:17 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said, > >Every time Jacob goes in for his CRF workups, the vets get a urine > >sample from him at that time, usually via needle although once in a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That's interesting, Laura. I would think the cat would protest. Thanks for > letting me know. Well, as a disclaimer, I will say that Jacob is the polar opposite of how Alex was at the veterinarians' offices. He purrs through *everything*, even having his anal glands expressed, if you can believe that. Our new vet can never stop marveling at how sweet he is throughout everything. As long as I'm there with him, he's just a purr machine. Having said that, Alex had at least one urine sample that was obtained via needle aspiration, and nobody was bleeding afterwards, which generally meant he wasn't too pissed about whatever had been done to him. ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >From: Laura R. UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com >Well, as a disclaimer, I will say that Jacob is the polar opposite of >how Alex was at the veterinarians' offices. He purrs through >*everything*, even having his anal glands expressed, if you can >believe that. He sure does sound like a sweetie! I'll never forget when my Queenie (rainbow bridge) had her glands expressed. I bet they could hear her yowling a mile away. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa 27 Apr 2004 01:32:18 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, PawsForThought (darnit7@aol.comnolitter) said, > >Well, as a disclaimer, I will say that Jacob is the polar opposite of > >how Alex was at the veterinarians' offices. He purrs through [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bridge) had her glands expressed. I bet they could hear her yowling a mile > away. Jacob is, without a doubt, the sweetest cat I've ever known. Truly. He's my little noodle. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > >From: "billn" li&st@wi.rr.com > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ________ Using a needle to get a sample is very traumatic. The last time the vet felt they had to do that to get a sample (after Colette had sat there all day refusing to go), they had to give her gas and put her out to do it. No one was very happy about this. Ann >From: "ann ruminski" ann.l.ruminski@intel.com > Using a needle to get a sample is very traumatic. The last time the vet >felt they had > to do that to get a sample (after Colette had sat there all day refusing >to go), they > had to give her gas and put her out to do it. No one was very happy Poor Colette :( I don't think I want this done for Meesha at this point. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:06:59 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, ann ruminski (ann.l.ruminski@intel.com) said, > Using a needle to get a sample is very traumatic. The last time the vet > felt they had > to do that to get a sample (after Colette had sat there all day refusing > to go), they > had to give her gas and put her out to do it. No one was very happy > about this. I've never had that experience. Apparently different cats and different vets produce different results. The vets take Jacob's urine samples right there in front of me, and he's absolutely fine throughout. The only time he expresses any discomfort at the vets' is when his anal glands are expressed, and even then, it's just a little "mew" in between purrs. Personally, having somebody's finger in his butt, I can't blame him. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >circa Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:06:59 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >ann ruminski (ann.l.ruminski@intel.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Personally, having somebody's finger in his butt, I can't blame him. >:-) While needle aspiration may be traumatic in a few cases, I don't think normally it is. It's not usual to have to sedate or anesthesize the cat for a needle aspiration of urine, although obviously if the cat is very uncooperative it may be. In my experience, some vets prefer the needle method, some don't. Our cat clinic uses needle aspiration and our cats have never had a problem with it, although there is a possibility that this method can introduce a small amount of blood into the sample. My friend's vet doesn't use needle aspiration for just that reason, but I have to say that my friend has a heck of a time trying to get a sample at home. As to which is more traumatic for the cat, again I think it depends on the cat. If a cat is not choosy about using an empty litter tray or using the special litter beads, that may be less stressful, but for many cats the needle aspiration is the quicker, less stressful method. > "PawsForThought" ------------> > > My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Maybe I'm getting too worked up over this, but I don't want to have to argue > with the vet. Our cat Colette hates going to the vet and doesn't cooperate when she is there and the last time they needed a urine sample to check for struvite crystals and UTI, they gave us a very small amount of crystals and told us to get the sample. The crystals didn't even cover the bottom of the litterbox and she tipped it over the first time she tried it. That and the fact that she pooed in it didn't help the process at all. She definitely didn't like the smell. In desperation, I ended up confining both of us to a small closet (6ft x 2ft) for about 4 hours and gave her water by syringe. She did finally, reluctantly (with grumbling) use the box so we got a sample. I had tried previously just leaving her in the closet by herself, but just like at the vet, she sat there all day and didn't drink or use the litterbox. All in all she probably was more comfortable at home even in the closet than at the vet. And I would do it again (we need to send in another sample next week), but put both of us in the closet around 4am, tape the litterbox to the floor and start pushing the water then. We might have a sample by noontime....... Ann I used those when one of our kids was having urinary infections.....Can't remember,,,, seems like they turned blue when problems were indicated...Though, I usually was already aware of his problems before they showed up ....A MOM knows her Kids:-)Liz > My vet gave us a thing of beads to put in the litterbox to get a urine sample > for Meesha. Has anyone's cat ever successfully peed with these beads? I've [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html > Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
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