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Blind cat adoption tips?
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bookie - 13 Dec 2006 22:58 GMT dear all i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather has had to have her eyes removed because of eye infections which woudl not clear up. What i am wondering is how she will cope in a new house and what i can do to make life easier for her to get about. I already have one old-timer puss who is about 15 or 16yrs old, fairly laid back, came from a house with other cats previously before I took her in so is used to sharing her space although she has been an only cat for the last 18 months with me, and I am wondering how best to approach integrating them? any tips on this? I am worried that my old cat jessie will not take to the new cat (mabel) and maybe bully her and mabel will not be able to stand up for herself as she is blind and fairly arthritic (mabel is also 16 yrs old but not nearly as spritely as jessie puss), or do you think that jessie will be ok and not feel that mabel is a threat because she is blind and so decrepit and will therefore leave her alone?
I don't want to make life miserable for either of them by taking this new one on. i wonder whether it would be better to leave mabel in the shelter until such time that someone who doesnt' already have cats comes along to take her home, but she has been there a long time already and is not likely to be homed by anyone else in a hurry, what do people think?
sensible answers only please, no stupid crap from sad twats who don't actually have cats but only post to this site to wind people up because they have nothing else in their tragic little lives, you know who you are. cheers Bookie
MaryL - 13 Dec 2006 23:42 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > are. > cheers Bookie Bookie,
I have a wonderful blind cat, Duffy. He is truly remarkable and has brought an incredible amount of joy to our household. Duffy was approximately 5 years when I adopted him, and he has blind since birth. Like yours, he spent several months in the shelter before I adopted him. I had some of the same concerns you outlined, especially because I already had a cat (Holly) who had previously been very aggressive toward any other cat in my vicinity. She was so aggressive that we called her "the black tornado." I took a very slow, cautious, measured approach to the introduction. In fact, I precisely followed the advice of a friend who has had a great deal of experience in introducing cats with different (and potentially conflicting) personalities. It was a full 6 weeks before I left the two of them alone together at all times. They now are a happy twosome. Depending on the personalities of your cats, you may not need to take that much time, but it is always better to go very slowly than to try to rush these introductions -- especially given the circumstances you outlined.
I have previously written a fairly lengthy document on the introduction I used. I have posted it in "bits and pieces" on this site over a period of time, but I will be happy to email it to you if you want to read it. I am posting links under my sig to a "pictorial history" of the introduction. In particular, you might want to look at the temporary door we used on "Duffy's room." That way, they could be close to each other without taking any chances of an attack. In addition, look at the platter that I placed under the door at meal time. Each cat was able to eat in very close proximity to the other without actually being in the same room. Again, that was some time into the introduction period. Incidentally, I spent a great deal of time with Duffy during that period; I did not simply leave him alone in his separate room. Also, I lavished loving and attention on Holly every time I left Duffy's room because I did not want her to feel displaced and to possibly become resentful of Duffy.
One thing I would like to emphasize is that Duffy adjusted *beautifully.* He can do almost anything a sighted can do except run rapidly through the house. Instead, he has his "vertical space." I have two sturdy cat trees and some other climbing surfaces -- he loves to climb and is like a little gymnast. I used carpeted surfaces in most instances, with only one sisal pole on each cat tree, because he needs to be able to climb. Holly can simply leap from one bed to another on the cat tree, but Duffy needs to be able to use the poles for navigation.
Please fee free to contact me. And *thank you VERY much* for adopting this kitty. (My email address attached to this message is valid except that you first need to "take-out-the-litter.")
MaryL
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in")
Lesley - 13 Dec 2006 23:48 GMT There she is!
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
MaryL - 13 Dec 2006 23:58 GMT > There she is! > > Lesley > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs Ha! I saw your earlier message. We probably sent our messages at just about the same time. Like you, I remember the names of cats much better than their hoomins. :o)
MaryL
bookie - 14 Dec 2006 00:02 GMT > > dear all > > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > http://tinyurl.com/8y54 (Introducing Duffy to Holly) > http://tinyurl.com/8y56 (Duffy and Holly "settle in") thanks for your help, any tips are very welcome, both cats are very old so they may just ignore each other with any luck. anyway jessie is spending a lot of time snuggling inthe bottom of the wardrobe at present so she may not even notice a new arrival. if you can email me with any stuff on introductions that would be great, i just can't leave this poor little furball inthe shelter, she is so sweet and needs a home but all the people who go there go straight for the fluffy kittens and younger pussies and I do not want her to end her days there. bizarrely enough she is also a calico just like jessie
do their other senses become heightened or is that just a myth? B
MaryL - 14 Dec 2006 00:11 GMT >> > dear all >> > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > do their other senses become heightened or is that just a myth? > B Do you know if this kitty has been blind since birth (or at least for a number of years), or is it age-related? I think that makes a difference. Certainly, Duffy is a truly remarkable example of what a blind cat can do. I thought when I adopted him that I would have to be very careful never to move furniture. In actual fact, that has not been necessary. If I move a chair, I will find him sitting on it 5 minutes later! Nevertheless, it is important to *start* by leaving everything in the same position so your new kitty can learn his way around. Also, any time you put him down after holding him, put him on the floor where he can touch a familiar piece of furniture. That will help him become acclimated -- in other words, don't just put him down in the middle of the room as you might with a sighted cat. Again, that soon wasn't necessary with Duffy, but you will be able to make that decision as you watch and see how much "awareness" your cat has.
Here are still *more* pictures of Duffy and Holly. Here you can see how Duffy has taken over and truly made this his domain. I will also email the document to you.
MaryL
Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e Recent pics: http://tinyurl.com/clal7
bookie - 14 Dec 2006 00:15 GMT > >> > dear all > >> > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 137 lines] > Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e > Recent pics: http://tinyurl.com/clal7 no she was not blind since birth she had one eye removed due to an infection, then when she went into the shelter she had to have the other removed as it too was infected and could not be saved by the vet. She just has 2 hollows where her lovely eyes should be, such a shame. she has foudn her way around the centre, she lives in the reception area not in a pen so she potters about most of the time. haven't moved any furniture around in this house in the last 5 years of living here so not about to start moving anything now, I'm too lazy.
Cheryl - 14 Dec 2006 01:10 GMT > Here are still *more* pictures of Duffy and Holly. Here you can > see how Duffy has taken over and truly made this his domain. This one still completely amazes me. How he got up there without knocking everything over is truely a tribute to his abilities.
http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=3&uid=2364916&gid=4688654&&&&imgid=10 3462948
 Signature Cheryl
MaryL - 14 Dec 2006 01:22 GMT >> Here are still *more* pictures of Duffy and Holly. Here you can >> see how Duffy has taken over and truly made this his domain. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=3&uid=2364916&gid=4688654&&&&imgid=10 3462948 Yes, I feel the same way. He got up *and* down without doing any damage at all. Fortunately, I had finished that painting several days earlier, so it was dry enough not to leave oil all over Duffy.
MaryL
Lesley - 13 Dec 2006 23:47 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather > has had to have her eyes removed because of eye infections First of all a round of applause for being prepared to consider her!
Other than that I have no experience but there's someone on this list...Forget her name but remeber she has 2 cats (like a lot of people I remember her cats but not her name!) who has adopted Duffy who is blind and also has Holly who is not so my contribution is keeping this at the top of the list so I hope she will see it and reply..
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Luna's Mom - 14 Dec 2006 04:53 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > are. > cheers Bookie I really hope you adopt Mabel. I think that Jessie will adapt fine if she is as laid back as you say. I had a wonderful Siamese named Dudley with me for the past 2 years. We sort of inherited him as his mommy died and she was a friend of the family. Anyway, point is, he was blind AND deaf and 12 years old with a host of health problems. Oh boy. It's hard to talk about him. He just went to the bridge overnight on August 28th, so my heart is still pretty broken.
When he first got here, we didn't even KNOW that he was deaf and blind. I have to say that it was absolutely amazing to me how he learned his way around our house. YOu definitely want to be careful about moving furniture around, but Dudley adapted well to any and all changes that happened here!!!! My other baby, Luna, was never fond of Duds. She basically just tolerated him. Sometimes she'd try to swat at him and stuff and he WOULD fight back. It was kinda funny. Usually though, she'd just end up running away. Even though he tried to find her and did a good job following her scent, he'd eventually lose her completely. I don't think it is a myth that their other senses are heightened. I think that dudley's nose worked overtime!!!! :)
I say give it a try. follow MaryL's suggestions on separation/integration and I think you will have one happily purring household in no time.
What a wonderful thing for Mabel. Post pics when you bring her home!!!!! :):):)
Pam
Phil P. - 14 Dec 2006 12:44 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather > has had to have her eyes removed because of eye infections which woudl > not clear up. What i am wondering is how she will cope in a new house > and what i can do to make life easier for her to get about. After she's in your house for a few weeks, you won't believe she's blind! Blind cats are brilliantly adaptable creatures! Just get her toys that make noise- some with little bells inside. If your other cat can handle wearing a break-away collar, get her one with a little bell so she doesn't startle your blind cat. The bell with also help her follow your other cat around.
Here're some pictures of one of our blind cats. Same circumstances as yours- severe infection in the eyes + ringworm all over her face. She recovered and adapted so well that if you didn't see her face you wouldn't know she was blind. She runs all over the house and even *jumps* and lands with pin-point accuracy! She's amazing!
http://maxshouse.com/bitsys_page.htm
The cats of this world need more people like you!
Best of luck & congratulations!
Phil
-L. - 16 Dec 2006 01:18 GMT > Here're some pictures of one of our blind cats. Same circumstances as yours- > severe infection in the eyes + ringworm all over her face. My God, Phil, that is one of the worse cases of eye/face infection I have seen. Please tell me she was outdoors and not an *owned* cat.
-L.
bookie - 16 Dec 2006 04:01 GMT > > Here're some pictures of one of our blind cats. Same circumstances as yours- > > severe infection in the eyes + ringworm all over her face. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -L. it does look really grim, must have been horribly painful, was someone supposed to be looking after her when she got into this state? did you manage to find that person and break their legs? i would have found it hard not to myself. Poor little mite, how come it affected her beautiful face or did it affect elsewhere too?
absolutely terrible
Phil P. - 17 Dec 2006 07:32 GMT > > Here're some pictures of one of our blind cats. Same circumstances as yours- > > severe infection in the eyes + ringworm all over her face. > > My God, Phil, that is one of the worse cases of eye/face infection I > have seen. Please tell me she was outdoors and not an *owned* cat. She was definitely an owned cat at some point because she loves being pet and held. I think she might have been dumped because of her condition since she was found wandering around in circles meowing in the street.
-L. - 17 Dec 2006 10:50 GMT > She was definitely an owned cat at some point because she loves being pet > and held. I think she might have been dumped because of her condition since > she was found wandering around in circles meowing in the street. It's sh.t like that which makes me hate people.
-L.
Phil P. - 18 Dec 2006 06:24 GMT > > She was definitely an owned cat at some point because she loves being pet > > and held. I think she might have been dumped because of her condition since > > she was found wandering around in circles meowing in the street. > > It's sh.t like that which makes me hate people. Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story...
http://maxshouse.com/urgent_matters/snowy-story-print.htm
-L. - 18 Dec 2006 06:58 GMT > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > http://maxshouse.com/urgent_matters/snowy-story-print.htm Ya know, I have seen some f.cked-up repugnant sh.t during my lifetime. I was once the first on the scene of a double-fatality vehicle crash. But nothing makes me as sick in the soul as something like this.
-L.
IBen Getiner - 19 Dec 2006 04:34 GMT > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -L. Then you're one sick bastard. The suffering of an animal cannot even begin to be compared to that of a human being. That's the problem with you and other warped mental-cases like yourself... You got your priorities all f.cked up. Animals don't have FAMILIES, azzhole. They don't have kids in school or mortage payments or a FUTURE, etc., etc. You people...... you're about as spaced out and f.cking wacko as a person can possibly get (and all by your own choice, I might add). Besides... we don't know if someone 'poured' it of the dog. It was probably and accident. Just the sort of thing we need the animal cops investigating, so they use all their undeserved power to crucify some otherwise-loving and caring pet owner. Get a life, you dickless prick. See a shrink (if you kan find one that doesn't think like you). You're damaged goods, whoever you are, if you continue to make comparisons like the one you made above. Emotionally crippled touchie-feely scew-ball....
IBen Getiner
bookie - 19 Dec 2006 12:49 GMT > > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > IBen Getiner I am assuming that normally you would not be allowed to use a computer without an adult present but there is noone in the house right now to supervise you and you have been let loose, so a few points to bear in mind... 1) i would hope that -L is dickless as she is a woman 2) this is a news groups about animals to which mainly animal lovers and those who care about their welfare post to. These people choose to spend their spare time rescuing abused animals before they spend their time helping out 'needy' humans therefore it is highly likely that the people who post here will hold the sorts of views that -L and myself have expressed, so if you do not like to read these views or disagree with them so vehemently i suggest you do not join the group or contribute. 3) everyone is entitled to their own opinion without unqualified inidviduals like yourself making comments such as 'see a shrink'. Are you a qualified psychologist? i doubt it somehow. 4) I for one agree with -L as to me creatures such as the puppy inthe court case in fulton county, the cat with ringworm who was allowed to continue without veterinary care, adn this case of snowy which i have no yet brought myself to read yet because I know it will upset me are usually completely unable to prevent the abuse which we humans inflict on them. think about it; is the cat with ringworm able to make itself an appointment with the vet? was the puppy who was put into an oven and baked to death by 2 psychotic (and I use that term inthe proper sense here, meaning that they have no regard for the feelings of others and possibly little awareness) teenagers abel to do much about that before it slowly cooked? it was a trusting little soul who thought that all humans were there to look after it, to play with and provide love and affection and it was horribly let down.
as I have said before we huamns owe a duty of care to the animals we take on and have domesticated and if it is in our power to stop their suffering from disease or abuse then we should be doing so as most animals can rarely do this for themselves. YOu said that animals do not have families etc, you are very wrong? if a mother dog is killed who is going to nurse her unweaned pups? what about the companion animals left behind, we have all seen animals mourn the loss of a friend, you obviously have not. and what about the human families left behind to whom the animal has given years of companionship and support, they will suffer too.
just think about what you say and who you are saying it to before you start typing next time and you may not end up lookign like such a complete cretin in future
B
CatNipped - 19 Dec 2006 15:38 GMT >> > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... >> > > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > humans were there to look after it, to play with and provide love and > affection and it was horribly let down. I'm not disagreeing with you, but remember that humans were put into ovens too, in Auswitch.
My point is that being cruel to animals often goes hand in hand with being cruel to humans. Almost all serial killers started out their "careers" by torturing animals. If a person is sick enough to want to cause pain to *ANY* sensate creature, that person is a danger to society and should be permanently removed from society.
It's a moot point to me which is worse - both are unacceptable.
Hugs,
CatNipped
> as I have said before we huamns owe a duty of care to the animals we > take on and have domesticated and if it is in our power to stop their [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > B IBen Getiner - 21 Dec 2006 07:25 GMT > >> > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > >> > > [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > > > > B Man, there's nothing I hate worse than a luke-warm wimp...
IBen Getiner
-L. - 21 Dec 2006 07:55 GMT > I'm not disagreeing with you, but remember that humans were put into ovens > too, in Auswitch. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > It's a moot point to me which is worse - both are unacceptable. Of course - but that's not the point I made. The point I made was I have seen some awful things in my lifetime but purposeful cruelty is something I still cannot stomach. I don't care if it is to a dog, cat or human baby - it's all horrible.
-L.
IBen Getiner - 21 Dec 2006 08:31 GMT > > I'm not disagreeing with you, but remember that humans were put into ovens > > too, in Auswitch. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > -L. Agreed. But that isn't what you SAID.
You SAID....
"Ya know, I have seen some f.cked-up repugnant sh.t during my lifetime.
I was once the first on the scene of a double-fatality vehicle crash. But nothing makes me as sick in the soul as something like this. "
THAT is what you said. And the point you make is just that: You've seen human suffering of the worst kind, but THIS touches you more. An animal's suffering. THIS. You're only changing your tune now because I called you on it. If that wasn't what you really meant, then you need to be more specific. Although I highly doubt your new story, especially since your friend backs me up concerning your mental state of spiraling affixia-rooted sociopathic desegregation.... Oh... and in the future, don't try to LIE your way out of the hot seat by trying to twist the record. I can cut and paste with the best of them...
IBen Getiner
LC - 21 Dec 2006 14:49 GMT > THAT is what you said. And the point you make is just that: You've seen > human suffering of the worst kind, but THIS touches you more. An [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > backs me up concerning your mental state of spiraling affixia-rooted > sociopathic desegregation.... <smirk>
Crazy old IBen, aka Mr. Compassion:
"I take my hat off to the Nazis. What we need now is .... a solution. It can be seen as a final one, if you like..." From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> Message-ID: <1129611930.510748.91890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
"Every damned day when I get out of bed, I offer up praise and song to the Good Lord above for sending AIDS. And let's not forget the marvelous effect HIV is having on our charming and selfless black community.... They're coming down with it in droves." From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403150031.a9bbc9b@posting.google.com>
"Let it be know that I'm PROUD to proclaim my HATRED for QUEERS, CHILD KILLERS and NIGGERS of ALL colours. I can't think of three more worthy enemies. You got that...? I'm PROUD to hate faggots, abortionists and negroes. They ALL are a POX upon the a.s of humanity. I can't wait to see them (and their supporters like YOU) ROAST in hell!" From: lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) Message-ID: <20040727045300.04588.00002036@mb-m10.aol.com>
> Oh... and in the future, don't try to LIE your way out of the hot seat > by trying to twist the record. I can cut and paste with the best of > them... Now THAT'S funny, coming from the sockpuppet of Usenet's OCD cut-and-paster:
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"Typical 'preachin' type' racist black male. And the dude is Mayor of a major American city! No wonder no one cares what happens to New Orleans anymore." From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.music.beatles Subject: OT: Nasty Nigger Nagin at it Again... Date: 17 Jan 2006 18:31:19 -0800 Message-ID: <1137551479.703690.271680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
bookie - 21 Dec 2006 15:37 GMT > > THAT is what you said. And the point you make is just that: You've seen > > human suffering of the worst kind, but THIS touches you more. An [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > Date: 17 Jan 2006 18:31:19 -0800 > Message-ID: <1137551479.703690.271680@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> thanks this is all we need to know, although i had worked him out from his first post. frightening to think that this chap is allowed to vote and use sharp instruments without adult supervision
CatNipped - 21 Dec 2006 13:40 GMT >> I'm not disagreeing with you, but remember that humans were put into >> ovens [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -L. Yes, I know that, you know that - only Iben Getiner has missed the point so badly that it didn't even mess up his hair as it flew by.
I was replying to Bookie who was talking about the teens who put a puppy in the oven and slowly baked him to death, and pointing out that humans didn't confine their sick imaginations to thinking of horrible ways to torture animals - we've also done some pretty horrible things to each other as well.
And you're right, for me too accidental human death does not have the same impact on my soul as deliberate infliction of pain on a sensate creature. Anyone sick enough to do that needs to be swiftly and permanently removed from our gene pool.
Hugs,
CatNipped
bookie - 21 Dec 2006 14:54 GMT > >> I'm not disagreeing with you, but remember that humans were put into > >> ovens [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > CatNipped i agree,; willful cruelty to any creature is not the same as an accident, that was what i was comparing, not cruelty to humans compared to cruelty to puppies, although sometiimes for me (and me personally and I am entitled to my opinion here and shoutign at me will not change it) doing things like withholding medical help from an animal when that animal can obviously not take itself to the vet is the worst, just simply refusing to help a creature who is not in a position to help itself or inflicting pain and suffering on a creature who cannot defend itself. i am talking about deliberate harm here
IBen Getiner - 21 Dec 2006 07:13 GMT > > > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > without an adult present but there is noone in the house right now to > supervise you and you have been let loose, Why is that? Since it's this person 'L' who you champion here who thinks and reasons like the child. Only an immature mind would think to place animals on the same level as people. In their post, they actually place them higher. They're the one who needs a mother AND a father's guidance. It's not too hard to see that they had only one. One who wrongly thought SHE could do both... And since you support this batty-assed nut-case, you must think likewise. You're BOTH immature, emotionally-damaged goods.
>so a few points to bear in > mind... I'm all beers...
> 1) i would hope that -L is dickless as she is a woman How do you know this for sure? Besides, there are plenty of women who have a 'bigger dick' than many men I've known. Figuratively speaking, of course. That's where you go off track, see. Because you can't read between the lines. Because you think, act and reason as a child. But we can play this game all day. I've had kids, so it don't bother me none.....
> 2) this is a news groups about animals to which mainly animal lovers > and those who care about their welfare post to. This is a CAT group, numbskull.... We only care and post about CATS here. Got that?? That dog picture has no place in THIS place.... None. It's OFF-TOPIC and unwelcome.
> These people choose to > spend their spare time rescuing abused animals before they spend their > time helping out 'needy' humans LOL..!! Further proof that they're nut-jobs. Just like you, I'm very sure. Emotionally imbalanced children who just LOOK like adults. Who never got enough of a fathers loving care. Or the back of his correcting hand.
> therefore it is highly likely that the > people who post here will hold the sorts of views that -L and myself > have expressed, so if you do not like to read these views or disagree > with them so vehemently i suggest you do not join the group or > contribute. Hey... I can't be held responsible for what you and your nutty, idealistic warped friends post. But I just gotta tell 'ya.... I'll call it like I see it. Any time.. Any place. Just as many others here will attest. From now until the f.cking apocalypse, if need be. You may depend upon THAT, you touchy-feely nut-job.
> 3) everyone is entitled to their own opinion without unqualified > inidviduals like yourself making comments such as 'see a shrink'. Are > you a qualified psychologist? i doubt it somehow. Yes. Qualified enough to know that they used to chase people like you around with butterfly nets. Now they use TV cameras...
> 4) I for one agree with -L as to me creatures such as the puppy inthe > court case in fulton county, the cat with ringworm who was allowed to > continue without veterinary care, Who PAYS for the 'veterinary care', you friggin' azzhole?? We're to goddamned busy supporting the nigger population of this country with every bit of our spare change, so don't you go and accuse ANYONE... especially if they're white... of 'not providing veterinary care'. Why doesn't the f.cking vet provide the service at a greatly reduced cost, or for free...?? He'z the one you wackos should be after. He has the ability to heal their suffering, yet he choses to HOLD OUT... For MONEY! Wht the hell is the matter with you? The friggin' bastard wants to go and live in Barbados when he retires. Thinks he's a friggin' MD or something. It's because of THIS, as well as because of pressure brought to bear by nut-cases like YOU, that people simply ABANDON their sick or injured pets on the other side of town some goddamned where. You have made it so, and you don't have anyone to thank for their needless suffering but YOUR-f.cking-SELF.
<snip emotionally imballenced lunitic TRIPE>
The rest of your insane ramblings are typical of your psycho breed. God placed animals on this planet for our USE. Now... I'm not here to tell you that anything living should be mistreated. Not unless they deserve it (but then it wouldn't be mistreatment, would it?). But I'm not about to tell someone else who may not be able to afford it that they are guilty of some kind of crime simply because they didn't get their cat in for his f.cking heartworm treatment, and then he caught the disease and then died. It's tuff f.cking sh.t. That's all it iz. And until you AZZHOLES can somehow convince the government to start up murder investigations for animals found dead on the side of the road, there will be many a poor pet owner out there who's pets end up just as such. And it's all because of you! You and your greedy friends, the overblown, overrated pious-azzed veterinarians. A bunch of simple-simon jerk-offs who I wouldn't allow to lance a boil, let alone thumb hisway thru MY bank account. Dickless mental-case FREAK. Go do the thing with the gun, the bullet and the cigarette. But do it soon before you needlessly affect anyone else. Especially people out there with PETS.
IBen Getiner
bookie - 21 Dec 2006 15:03 GMT > > > > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 125 lines] > > IBen Getiner oh dear i think you just managed to alienate any vestiges of support you may have had from anyone on this group with that tirade of abuse, I think that says it all about you really, not really worth bothering with are you? your unnecessary use of foul and abusive language simply shows your low level of intelligence and understanding, othjerwise you would be able to communicate in a more constructive manner and you might be worth having a decent argument with, but unfortunately this is not the case. btw the puppy case was posted onthis site by someone else and if i choose to refer to it i will
i feel so sorry for your offspring, lets hope that they don't grow up with your sensibilities or foul-mouth
-L. - 21 Dec 2006 08:09 GMT > I am assuming that normally you would not be allowed to use a computer > without an adult present but there is noone in the house right now to > supervise you and you have been let loose, so a few points to bear in > mind... Just ignore him. He's insane.
> 1) i would hope that -L is dickless as she is a woman I have bigger balls than most men, though, LOL...
> 2) this is a news groups about animals to which mainly animal lovers > and those who care about their welfare post to. These people choose to > spend their spare time rescuing abused animals before they spend their > time helping out 'needy' humans Not necessarily. I do what I can, where I can, regardless of species. We are all part of the whole.
>therefore it is highly likely that the > people who post here will hold the sorts of views that -L and myself > have expressed, so if you do not like to read these views or disagree > with them so vehemently i suggest you do not join the group or > contribute. He missed my point completely. Not surprising, in that he's touched in the head.
> 3) everyone is entitled to their own opinion without unqualified > inidviduals like yourself making comments such as 'see a shrink'. Are > you a qualified psychologist? i doubt it somehow. He can comment all he wants. Just consider the source, LOL...
> 4) I for one agree with -L as to me creatures such as the puppy inthe > court case in fulton county, the cat with ringworm who was allowed to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > humans were there to look after it, to play with and provide love and > affection and it was horribly let down. That's what bothers me the most about these cases. The animals are so helpless and trusting and will walk willingly into the situations of abuse.
> as I have said before we huamns owe a duty of care to the animals we > take on and have domesticated and if it is in our power to stop their [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > start typing next time and you may not end up lookign like such a > complete cretin in future Not likely. He is what he is and sadly, history repeats itself with him.
-L.
bookie - 21 Dec 2006 15:06 GMT > That's what bothers me the most about these cases. The animals are so > helpless and trusting and will walk willingly into the situations of > abuse. yes that is EXACTLY what i mean, they are so trusting, they think all humans are goign to provide love, hugs, games and protection and unfortunately that is not always the case, that is what upsets me most.
-L. - 21 Dec 2006 07:58 GMT > > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Then you're one sick bastard. The suffering of an animal cannot even > begin to be compared to that of a human being. You obviously cannot in context.
> That's the problem with > you and other warped mental-cases like yourself... You got your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > continue to make comparisons like the one you made above. Emotionally > crippled touchie-feely scew-ball.... "Now, Now Benny...Go sit in yout time-out chair. I will come and get you in four minutes if you have settled down."
-L.
Phil P. - 19 Dec 2006 10:39 GMT > > Then you'll just "love" Snowy's story... > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I was once the first on the scene of a double-fatality vehicle crash. > But nothing makes me as sick in the soul as something like this. If whoever did this to Snowy is very lucky, the cops will get him before I do.
bookie - 17 Dec 2006 20:53 GMT > She was definitely an owned cat at some point because she loves being pet > and held. I think she might have been dumped because of her condition since > she was found wandering around in circles meowing in the street. that is f.cking awful, that someone takes on an animal and then dumps it when that animals need help the most, makes me ashamed to be human really. This happens all the time and it really sickens me; people ignore their responsibilites of properly looking after a pet, they shun that responsibility which we as a species took on centuries ago when we domesticated these animals for our benefit to catch vermin etc. We owe these animals a duty of care and to allow an animal who has loved us and been there for us and who we have got accustomed to a certain level of comfort and security to continue in such pain and suffering is unforgiveable, it is evil really to do this kind of thing. i believe in 'what goes around comes around' and i truly hope it really happens in this case to the scum who left her in this state
B
Phil P. - 18 Dec 2006 06:30 GMT > > She was definitely an owned cat at some point because she loves being pet > > and held. I think she might have been dumped because of her condition since [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > i believe in 'what goes around comes around' and i truly hope it really > happens in this case to the scum who left her in this state Dumping sick pets is nothing new. Practically of the animals we get that have special needs we get from vets whose clients couldn't or just don't want to be bothered treating their pets' illnesses. Some animals are even punished for being sick.
These are the things that make tremble during adoptions- that's why I don't handle very many. If you work in animal rescue or animal care, your faith in human nature will go straight down the tubes- quickly- if not sooner.
-L. - 21 Dec 2006 08:01 GMT > These are the things that make tremble during adoptions- that's why I don't > handle very many. If you work in animal rescue or animal care, your faith > in human nature will go straight down the tubes- quickly- if not sooner. You get steeled in some respects. I know that since I have been out of the direct line of fire for awhile, I can't stomach things that used to not phase me.
-L.
sheelagh - 21 Dec 2006 13:32 GMT > http://maxshouse.com/bitsys_page.htm > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Phil Hear Hear!!! All the best to you Bookie,I really hope that all goes well for you.
I now understand Phil's cinicism-I have NEVER Been so shocked by such a disturbing photograph as I was when I saw the photo of the cat with Ringworm of the face,ever in my life. It is disgusting,inhumane & downright wicked thing to do to a poor defencless cat.I truely hope that the person who did this is caught,brought forward & incarcerated for life.I was shocked and disgusted to think that any human being could do such a terrible thing to a cat.This has got to be one of the worst cases of neglect that I have ever seen before.It leaves me with a lasting impression of "What can I do to ensure that this never happens again"? I may not be able to do it personally,but I would do anything that I could do to make sure that this stops Right now!! I too ,feel ashamed to be associated with humans If that is what they do...I can understand your disechantment utterly & because I feel it as well!! S.
Outsider - 21 Dec 2006 16:34 GMT >> http://maxshouse.com/bitsys_page.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > well!! > S. We are such a strange lot, humanity. Capable of so much good or so much evil.
Rene S. - 15 Dec 2006 21:54 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > mabel is a threat because she is blind and so decrepit and will > therefore leave her alone? Hello, MaryL has already given you some wonderful advice. Thank you for thinking (and hopefully adopting) this kitty! I currently have a 6 yo cat who is blind in one eye and "impaired" in the other (born with cataracts in both eyes). He adapted wonderfully and I can't even tell he has a disability. In fact, I've heard stories of owners whose cats had gone blind, but they adapted so well, the owners didn't even know until much later.
IBen Getiner - 17 Dec 2006 21:28 GMT > dear all > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather > has had to have her eyes removed because of eye infections which woudl > not clear up. What i am wondering is how she will cope in a new house > and what i can do to make life easier for her to get about. One thing's for sure... You'll need a high-sided littler box. IBen involved with a blind cat before. When it took a dump, it would constantly let it's rump hang over the side (since it couldn't see a thing). Another little tip,... don't be rearranging the furniture. They get used to everything being in the same place. It's kinda funny with the kids, but we know it's not really funny at all, watching Kit-Kat walking around with a bruised nose all the time. Just take heed of the little box thing. That's my advice..
To the rest of you.... I know you're reading this. And I know the drill. Just wanted to let you know I'll be here for awhile. If any of you wanted to take a vacation, now's the time. Believe me. IBen Getiner
LC - 18 Dec 2006 02:31 GMT > To the rest of you.... I know you're reading this. And I know the > drill. Just wanted to let you know I'll be here for awhile. If any of > you wanted to take a vacation, now's the time. Believe me. Looks like IBen's "wife" <snicker> has left him (without an air pump to inflate "her"):
"I am going away for a while. I will not be back here or in any of these groups for a spell. These late nite hours.... Oh, MAN. I just can't keep this up. I have a real life (whether you believe it or not) and there are others in it. This sh.t has just got to go." From: "IBen Getiner" <Lappc...@aol.com>, obviously has no "real life". Message-ID: <1157967317.993365.243090@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
IBen Getiner - 19 Dec 2006 09:07 GMT > > dear all > > i am seriously considering adopting an old cat who is blind, or rather [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > you wanted to take a vacation, now's the time. Believe me. > IBen Getiner LOL...!!
"Power to make multitudes run screaming in terror at the touch of my little invisible finger. Even the moon's frightened of me - frightened to death. The whole world is frightened to death!"
Claude Rains-- The Invisible Man, 1933
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