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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004new kitten - 3 adults to meet
Some of you may remember me - I have 3 adopted cats Miss Thang, Cat5 and Lucifer. Miss Thang joind us about 1 year ago - the other 2 were brought home together. I bought a manecoon Sunday that is a 5 month old male (to be nuetered at 8 mths) He is a very calm kitty (you almost forget he is a kitty because of the size) and he is very sweet. Were in the process of the interductions - it is to the point now when I open my bedroom door (this is where he is) the others will come to the door & look at him or jump into the window and look. But if you try to pet or pick them up the go all spitty. I am guessing in a few weeks they will all settle down. I walk him around the house a couple times a day - the others do not get to close to him excpet for today - Lucifer was nose to nose with him for several minutes today without spitting - but then she had to wack him in the head and run off. He doesn't seem at all upset about the other cats - but he comes for a cattery that had 12 cats upstairs and the breeding crew down stairs. He is warm and friendly - playful and of course wants to know what everything is. Karryl I would advise neutering him before 8 months. At five months, this is about the right time. Otherwise, he will start spraying. Gail > Some of you may remember me - I have 3 adopted cats > Miss Thang, Cat5 and Lucifer. Miss Thang joind us about 1 year ago - [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Karryl >I would advise neutering him before 8 months. At five months, this is about >the right time. Otherwise, he will start spraying. >Gail >"soft" <soft63389@netscape.net> wrote in message I discused this with the breeder and the vet - they both said to wait till 8 months because of the breed and contrary to what I was told with my last male kitten - it does affect head size - they need to wait so their head growth is not stunted. I know the breeder has sever non neutered males in the house that did not spray regardless of the fact they were older and had bred - she had a couple she did keep down stairs that did spray. I am going to try to wait the full 8 mnths unless he starts showing signs that he knows he is a man. Karryl >>I would advise neutering him before 8 months. At five months, this is >>about the right time. Otherwise, he will start spraying. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > signs that he knows he is a man. > Karryl So they weigh head size over the overall happiness and wellbeing of the cat? Amazing.  SignatureCheryl circa Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:21:01 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, soft (soft63389@netscape.net) said, > I discused this with the breeder and the vet - they both said to wait > till 8 months because of the breed > and contrary to what I was told with my last male kitten - it does > affect head size - they need to wait so their head growth is not > stunted. That is because Maine Coons don't fully mature for several years, according to what I've read. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:21:01 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > soft (soft63389@netscape.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Laura I believe 3 years is full maturity in MC's. >> circa Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:21:01 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >> soft (soft63389@netscape.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I believe 3 years is full maturity in MC's. That is what I was told from several sorces. Thanks another smart person is here. Karryl >circa Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:21:01 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >soft (soft63389@netscape.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> affect head size - they need to wait so their head growth is not >> stunted. Thanks for pointing this out - this is exactly why I am waiting - Like I said I researched the decission based on the cat not all cats. I guess people here don't realize were talking about a cat that gets to be about 22 - 25 lbs. If I thought it did not matter for this cat to be neutered now I would do it - I did all my other cats at 5 mnths. This is a special cat - he is out of champions - I would like him to have the head to go with his body and to do that he needs to wait for the neutering. You would have thought I said I was going to declaw him. Laura you seem to be one of the smart people thanks Karryl >That is because Maine Coons don't fully mature for several years, >according to what I've read. > >Laura why must you all decide exactly what a person must do here? ! - I am getting him neutered 2 - I would like him to have the head size inteded for the breed 3 - he is inside and is not going to create any kittens 4 all my other cats are fixed 5 I will do this on what I believe is best of this Kitten - not what you all think is what I should do - He is an expensive petigree out ofchampions - I suppose if I had decided I was going to breed this kitten at some later date everyone would have a fit. I adopted 3 cats and saved them from being killed - they are fixed - indoor cats and spoiled and very loved. After the mac truck hit me and all the pain and suffering I have been through I believed I had the right to get me the breed of cat I have really wanted but instead my first choice was to save those other cats and now my choice is to add this mane coon to the family. No one cat will get more love, non will every breed or go outside or not see a vet when they need to. The all all feed and watered and kept clean. They all get attention and spoiled. So tell me where I have failed in my cat care? I research all my decissions before I make any medical choices for me or my cats, and I believe that waiting an extra 3 months to neuter this cat is in his best interest. YES I do know he may spray and if he starts then I will neuter him - He may not spray and will still be neutered at 8 mnths. If you don't like my choice that is too bad_________________THIS IS NOT YOUR CAT, NOT YOUR HOUSE, AND NOT YOUR CHOICE. I am very sorry I posted to this group - you use to be understanding and supportave - NOW YOUR JUST HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO CONTROL EVERYONES DECISSIONS. YOUR RESPONSE TO ME WAS AS IF I WERE GOING TO DECLAW HIM idiots bye Karryl > I am very sorry I posted to this group - you use to be understanding > and supportave - NOW YOUR JUST HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO > CONTROL EVERYONES DECISSIONS. YOUR RESPONSE TO ME WAS AS IF > I WERE GOING TO DECLAW HIM > idiots I don't see where you got any nasty responses. What are you going on about? My response was the only *possible* negative and I don't see where it was all that negative as I was only questioning why put a cat through turmoil for a head size? I really wanted to know? Chill. Geez. SignatureCheryl >> I am very sorry I posted to this group - you use to be understanding >> and supportave - NOW YOUR JUST HORRIBLE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >all that negative as I was only questioning why put a cat through turmoil >for a head size? I really wanted to know? Chill. Geez. I am waiting because the I was advised by both the breeder and the vet. If I do it now he will have a tiny Kitten head on a 22 lb body. The vet did not feel it was important enough to do the surgery now - he needs the male hormones for proper growth through out his body and his head. They feel it is best to wait. That is why - Your response was judgemental - you responded like I had no clue or did not check things out. Yes it is a decission I made to wait for what I feel is the best thing for the cat. You werent asked to agree - my first post did not ask for anyones opinion. I just wanted a congradulations and an enjoy. You may not think you were nasty, here again it is a matter of opinion. I took your comments as rude. But then again if you have every read my posts you would know I care very deeply about my cats. I have asked for help here and I have gotten great support and good advice. I recently was hit by a mac truck and am having lots of spine injections and lots of pain meds. I and lots of pain, I may be a bit sensitive and moody due to this, and if so then I am sorry for biting your head off. But I stand by my decission to wait and neuter this cat because I honestly believe it will be better for him and I agreed with the breeder this is what I would do. Like I said he is out of champions and I don't want him to not look like the standards of the breed - he is representative of the breederd line quality. Plus I can show a neutered cat - but he must meet the standards of head and body as well as color. So again this is my choice and I am doing what I believe is right - you don't have to agree - but this is my cat Karryl A Winn Feline Foundation Report On ... EARLY SPAY/NEUTER IN THE CAT http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/early-neuter.html see link for full article The results of the comparisons of weight showed some differences between the three groups. Males weighed consistently more than females, but this was uniform in all groups. The studies of body composition and body fat indicated that Group 1 (neutered at 7 weeks) and Group 2 (neutered at 7 months) were identical and were generally fatter than Group 3 (neutered at 12 months, after they were sexually mature). Investigators point out that by 12 months, the male cats in Group 3 were already exhibiting the normal adult male characteristics of decreased weight and the development of jowls, which accounts for some of the differences. It has also been noted that in the course of follow-up, the differences between the weight in cats from Group 1 and 2 and Group 3 are becoming less apparent. All these cats have been placed in selected and supervised pet homes and are more active than they were in the University facilities. A three-year follow-up exam was to be conducted in May of 1994. Karryl >http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/early-neuter.html > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Karryl This doesn't say anything about head size--it only refers to the development of jowls in the male--not the same thing. Which, BTW, is not a desirable trait in a Maine Coon neuter by cat show judges. Reputable breeders will *require* their kittens be altered by a certain age--usually 6 months, and I've never heard of *later* than 8 months. Which indicates that most neuters whose owners are going after their premiere have, in fact, been neutered prior to 8 months, and I would guess the breed standards reflect that. MC's neutered at 6 months aren't going to have a pin-head or anything. My GC has a lovely sized head, and he was neutered before 6 months. http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/jamieorion.jpg Sherry >> http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/early-neuter.html >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/jamieorion.jpg > Sherry Now, Sherry, if Orion had horns growing out of his skull you'd consider him lovely. He's your GRANDCAT for crying out loud ;) Karen >Now, Sherry, if Orion had horns growing out of his skull you'd consider him >lovely. He's your GRANDCAT for crying out loud ;) > >Karen Well, yes, but have I told you how *smart* he is?? :-) Sherry >> This doesn't say anything about head size--it only refers to the development >> of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Karen Now that is at least something we can all agree on - we would love our cats whatever they look like .....the darn things just warm the heart Karryl circa Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:29:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, soft (soft63389@netscape.net) said, > Now that is at least something we can all agree on - we would love our > cats whatever they look like .....the darn things just warm the heart > Karryl Isn't that the truth? Years back, I had a cat that was a short-haired smoke Persian (obviously the result of a Persian breeding with a DSH). I got her as an adult from a family that was moving. I used to always say, "isn't she beautiful," until a friend who was seeing her for the first time said, "no, Laura, she's ugly as sin." Then I realized, that yes, she was a bit funny-looking. I loved her anyway. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Isn't that the truth? Years back, I had a cat that was a short-haired > smoke Persian (obviously the result of a Persian breeding with a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > realized, that yes, she was a bit funny-looking. I loved her anyway. > :-) Not about my cat, but...When I was 12, my mother and I visited a woman we hadn't seen since I was about 3 or 4. The woman commented, "I never thought Rona would turn out to look so cute." My mother was crushed! She thought I had always been cute and never even considered that I might not have been! I've seen pictures of myself as a very young child (I have few, as do many youngest children), though, and I was really funny looking--very skinny body but a huge tummy and a big, round head. I sort of looked like one of those malnourished children on a "Save the Children" commercial. My mother still says I was cute, though. (She also doesn't think my brother and I look alike, and we look almost like twins.) About my cat...a few years ago I had a picture of my cat on my desk at work. The picture was taken a few months after I got her, so she was still a bit underweight and a bit funny looking (she had a small face with big ears) but I thought the picture was really cute (she was curled up on a blanket, about to fall asleep). The comments I got were... "Is that a rat?" "Is that a baby pig?" "Is that one of those hairless chihuahuas?" I became very defensive about my cat after that... rona -- "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and they will piss upon your computer." --Bruce Graham circa Mon, 26 Apr 2004 19:34:56 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said, > > Isn't that the truth? Years back, I had a cat that was a short-haired > > smoke Persian (obviously the result of a Persian breeding with a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > says I was cute, though. (She also doesn't think my brother and I look > alike, and we look almost like twins.) I think all kids go through that "awkward" stage. For my sister, it lasted a helluva lot longer than for most kids (like from age seven to age fifteen), but she came out all right. ;-) > About my cat...a few years ago I had a picture of my cat on my desk at work. > The picture was taken a few months after I got her, so she was still a bit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I became very defensive about my cat after that... Yeah, I was a bit testy about criticisms of my lumpy Persian-wannabe, too. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:29:10 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Karen Chuplis (kchuplis@alltel.net) said, > Now, Sherry, if Orion had horns growing out of his skull you'd consider him > lovely. He's your GRANDCAT for crying out loud ;) Whoops, guess that answers my question. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >>http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/reports/early-neuter.html >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/jamieorion.jpg >Sherry From the breeders in this area (I did check several) they all recommend 8 months. I don't plan to wiat later than that. The vet and the breeders told me about the head size - however that article is very interresting. When I neutered my cat5 his head stopped growing. So I know it matters because I have seen it first hand. He doesn't have a male head - it looks very kitten like. Karryl circa 23 Apr 2004 03:55:20 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Sherry (sriddles@aol.comkitty) said, > My GC has a lovely sized head, and he was > neutered before 6 months. > http://members.aol.com/jjrich0523/jamieorion.jpg > Sherry Aww, he's so pretty! Is that you in the picture, Sherry? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. |
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