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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2006GASP
THEY'RE HERE! THE KITTENS ARE HERE TONIGHT I came home from work, chatted with Lucy and started to look for Jupiter. I heard 3 or 4 Jupiters saying.. "meeee meeee meeee" lol I had to find them! No, I hadn't made her a box yet... I had no idea she was ready to give birth, She crawled up in my box spring and had them... I haven't counted them yet.. BUT I did peek in.. looks like mostly black.. but one had tabby stripes on it's widdle weg.. oooo I can't wait!... uh.. thanks for yall support > THEY'RE HERE! THE KITTENS ARE HERE TONIGHT > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > uh.. thanks for yall support Is she finished having them? Have you seen her? > Is she finished having them? Have you seen her? uh.. good question.. she is probably finished.. she is not making any noise herself I can her the kittens sucking I saw Jupiters face and feet... she's in the corner of the box spring.. sorta the whole lot of them are in a hammock... between the box spring joists... something like that... they look comfy enough for now I wish Jupe would come out there is no way I can get her some water.. I know she's tired as hell but she'll be fine.. she's young.. she was pretty banked up on food anyway > there is no way I can get her some water.. I know she's tired as hell > but she'll be fine.. she's young.. she was pretty banked up on food > anyway on second thought, Ill slide her a little plastic lid of cool water I can see her face... I could pull the lining off the box spring and relocate the whole bunch but I figured i'd wait till they all dried off... how long before I can relocate them to a nice warm box with food and water for Jupiter, that's what she needs >> there is no way I can get her some water.. I know she's tired as hell >> but she'll be fine.. she's young.. she was pretty banked up on food [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > how long before I can relocate them to a nice warm box > with food and water for Jupiter, that's what she needs DON"T TOUCH BARRY LET HER BE SHE WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS OK The new family should be left alone in warmth, quiet, and solitude. Constant crying, kittens squirming around the nest box, and restlessness of the queen are signs of trouble. Young kittens have a normal rectal temperature of about 96°, which may rise to about 100° (35.5°C to about 38°C) during the first week, after which the kittens develop the ability to shiver. Umbilical cords drop off at two to three days, and ears and eyes open at around six to twelve days. http://www.maxshouse.com/kitten_care.htm#Newborn%20Kittens That is from Phil's site READ IT NOW AND CALM DOWN WE ARE HERE FOR YOU >> there is no way I can get her some water.. I know she's tired as hell >> but she'll be fine.. she's young.. she was pretty banked up on food [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > how long before I can relocate them to a nice warm box > with food and water for Jupiter, that's what she needs I don't know, babe. You need expert help right now and that is not me. I think I would wait a while. Labor sometimes takes a long time, and if you move her while she is still having them they can get hurt. >> Is she finished having them? Have you seen her? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > but she'll be fine.. she's young.. she was pretty banked up on food > anyway She will let you know what she needs. I think she picked a great place to have them! There close to where she feels safest. >THEY'RE HERE! THE KITTENS ARE HERE TONIGHT > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >uh.. thanks for yall support Congratulations, pops. Get your web site ready. I understand why people are adamant about the need to spay/neuter, but I also think sagas like this one are fun. Charlie > Congratulations, pops. Get your web site ready. I understand why > people are adamant about the need to spay/neuter, but I also think > sagas like this one are fun. > > Charlie yeah, but as I say, overpopulation is a matter for the gov't not the people WE should take a deep breath, I have just relieved all of you from a false burdern. This is very cool, I love it! but look, I could easily transfer them from under the box spring... into a box... without ever touching them... I could easily cut a square... from around them (as they sit on the underlining) and transfer them.. without touching them Im fixing to slide jupiter some water... but Mat is right, I shouldn't bugar them up you know... i used my cell phone glow to peek in on them that way it's not a bright light. > Im fixing to slide jupiter some water... > > but Mat is right, I shouldn't bugar them up you know... > i used my cell phone glow to peek in on them > that way it's not a bright light. Yes, give them time. Your cat food was ordered today, but will not ship until 3-5 days from their warehouse. Which means it will be a week until you get it. I just got the Nutro pregnant cat/kitten food and 24 cans of Ocean Whitefish, the stuff you said they like. I know you have plenty of food for them, but I bet Jupiter will eat a lot. Don't touch them. You can safely leave then where they are until morning, and then maybe the mama will come out briefly and stretch her legs and get some nutrition/water. I'd taken care of, and helped deliver kittens before. I would leave them be. The mother knows what she is doing and went to a place to have them where she felt it was safe, warm and a good first home. I'd taken care of, and helped deliver kittens > before. I would leave them be. The mother knows what she is doing and went > to a place to have them where she felt it was safe, warm and a good first > home. ok, thanks. now.. hmmm.. where will I sleep? lol WHERE AM I GONNA SLEEP I don't wanna smush them... I guess it wouldn't if I laid on the other side of the bed put my head at the foot... yeah...they should be fine I wants to wash and disenfect my box spring now... I lifted propped the box spring up on that corner with a small sugar bowl.. so any fluids can strain through the box spring lining. Im just going to leave them alone... I AM! IM GOING TO LEAVE THEM ALONE... <sneaking off> just kidding.. I will > Don't touch them. You can safely leave then where they are until morning, > and then maybe the mama will come out briefly and stretch her legs and get > some nutrition/water. I'd taken care of, and helped deliver kittens > before. I would leave them be. The mother knows what she is doing and > went to a place to have them where she felt it was safe, warm and a good > first home. Why don't you want him to move them? If it were my box spring, the kittens would be out of there and in a box with clean towels in the back of a closet already. All he'd have to do is make sure to wash his hands well before handling them and be really gentle when he moves them. His cat probably won't protest as long as she sees he's being careful with her babies. Then he can leave them be till they're older. W >>Don't touch them. You can safely leave then where they are until morning, >>and then maybe the mama will come out briefly and stretch her legs and get [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > won't protest as long as she sees he's being careful with her babies. Then > he can leave them be till they're older. I agree, our cat allowed us to pick them up and help get them all comfy. Heck, we even helped dry them off! She completely trusted us and she had only lived with us for 2 weeks. Cats have litters in strange places. We had the mom in one room and had four comfy areas set up for her, and she had them between a box and a wall where she could hardly lay down herself. We got them settled into a safe place and then let them alone for awhile. Rhonda >>>Don't touch them. You can safely leave then where they are until >>>morning, and then maybe the mama will come out briefly and stretch her [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Rhonda I handle all the kittens born here. I have to when I clean up the crate they are living in. The one Mom had only been here two days before she had her litter. As long as she didn't lose site of them she was fine with me picking them up. W > I handle all the kittens born here. I have to when I clean up the crate > they are living in. The one Mom had only been here two days before she had > her litter. As long as she didn't lose site of them she was fine with me > picking them up. I remembered that you had dealt with lots of kittens when I conveyed your advice to Barry. He definitely intended to move them to a better spot last night before he went to bed. His first instincts, at least in this case, were good. >> I handle all the kittens born here. I have to when I clean up the crate >> they are living in. The one Mom had only been here two days before she [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > were > good. Yea, lots of kittens. I went from having 3 foster to 15 last night. Got two moms and their kittens. Both had 6 kittens but the one already had lost two of them before we got her inside. The surviving kittens have respiratory infections - not horrible but are doing a fair amount of sneezing. We think her people moved away and left her behind. W > I handle all the kittens born here. I have to when I clean up the crate they > are living in. The one Mom had only been here two days before she had her > litter. As long as she didn't lose site of them she was fine with me picking > them up. > > W When it's a first litter by a young Momma cat (like this one) sometimes she will become really upset if you move them. I have never seen a cat reject them but I have heard of Momma cats abandoning the nest after it was moved. IMO it's better to wait at least 48 hours after birth before you touch them or move the nest. A lot of the time she will just move the nest back to where she had them anyway. -L. > IMO it's better to wait at least 48 hours after birth before you touch > them or move the nest. A lot of the time she will just move the nest > back to where she had them anyway. I was worried, as was Barry, because they were in the box spring. He could have tried to sleep on the corner of the bed, but if he tossed and turned when he slept, he could have hurt or killed them. >> IMO it's better to wait at least 48 hours after birth before you touch >> them or move the nest. A lot of the time she will just move the nest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > He could have tried to sleep on the corner of the bed, but if he > tossed and turned when he slept, he could have hurt or killed them. That was my concern as well. If they had been somewhere he could seen them and in a location where they could stay for a while I would have told him to let her do her thing too. OTOH if you don't/can't see momma, you can't tell if she's acting normally and there is always the risk that something isn't as it should be - retained placenta or something like that. That said, Barry shouldn't be alarmed by some slight bleeding for the next few days to a week. As long as she's just spotting that's normal - another good reason to get her out of the box spring. It could get a little ripe in there in a short time. W > > IMO it's better to wait at least 48 hours after birth before you touch > > them or move the nest. A lot of the time she will just move the nest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > He could have tried to sleep on the corner of the bed, but if he > tossed and turned when he slept, he could have hurt or killed them. And God knows he doesn't have a couch he could sleep on... -L. >>>Don't touch them. [...] >> Why don't you want him to move them? If it were my box spring, the >> kittens would be out of there and in a box with clean towels in the back >> of a closet already. [...] > I agree, our cat allowed us to pick them up and help get them all comfy. > Heck, we even helped dry them off! She completely trusted us and she had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > We got them settled into a safe place and then let them alone for awhile. Talked to Barry last night and read him Wendy's advice and last I heard he intended to move them gently into a cozy box with some clean towels near one of Jupiter's favorite spots. He still had not disturbed them at about midnight, so he was not sure how many there were, but from eyeballing the boxspring thought it looked like three or four. Which would be a lot better than six! Jup was purring any time he even touched the boxspring, so she appears to have come through labor just fine. I want to see them!! Maybe we will get some pictures soon. >>>>Don't touch them. [...] > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > so she appears to have come through labor just fine. I want to see them!! > Maybe we will get some pictures soon. I hope he slept on the couch or in a recliner. MLB > I hope he slept on the couch or in a recliner. MLB I dont' have a couch, a couch will hurt you when you set down ryhmes with ouch see.. couch I do have a sofa cause it's just so for me.. sofa me just kidding..! I have one chair, one bed, one lamp, one spoon.. (no foolin) and 7 computers. I like to streamline after I moved them to their new little home.. I slept in the bed. uh.. no smells yet Jupiter ate all the funky stuff > I agree, our cat allowed us to pick them up and help get them all comfy. > Heck, we even helped dry them off! She completely trusted us and she > had only lived with us for 2 weeks. I wasn't sure if Jupiter would let me near her babies.. but.. at this point.. she thinks we are in this together. she's real clingy. and I like that. I've talked all sorts of mush smack to her. I told her how beautiful her babies are, how pretty she is and so on. I have also done the same for Lucy. Them two got some issues.. I told Jupiter Lucy loves them babies... I told Lucy.. Jupiter is just scared you're going to hurt the babies.. in a teaching way. > Cats have litters in strange places. We had the mom in one room and had > four comfy areas set up for her, and she had them between a box and a > wall where she could hardly lay down herself. I know this much! when you see they are pregnant.. MAKE A PLACE FOR THEM. by the time you see the pregnacy.. it is very very close. like a couple of days. I was shocked that I saw her pregnant.. then inside of 3 days she had them I kept saying.. within a week of so Ill make her a bed.. oh no... you only have a few days. > I was shocked that I saw her pregnant.. then inside of 3 days she had > them > I kept saying.. within a week of so Ill make her a bed.. oh no... you > only have a few days. It is not like that with all cats. My cat was HUGE for what seemed like forever before she finally had her kittens. I hurt for her. >> I was shocked that I saw her pregnant.. then inside of 3 days she had >> them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It is not like that with all cats. My cat was HUGE for what seemed > like forever before she finally had her kittens. I hurt for her. Sounds like my foster cat, Patches. When she first came in off the streets she was already huge. The vet said she was ready to pop then but it was 10 days before she had the kittens. She was pregnant with 7 though so they may not have realized the litter was going to be that big. http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL368/7336757/14147094/211632750.jpg W "Wendy" <wendypart@nospam.com> wrote:>> > Sounds like my foster cat, Patches. When she first came in off the streets > she was already huge. The vet said she was ready to pop then but it was 10 > days before she had the kittens. She was pregnant with 7 though so they > may not have realized the litter was going to be that big. > > http://pic40.picturetrail.com/VOL368/7336757/14147094/211632750.jpg Oh my goodness, she was big! My girl, who lived to be 20, was not even a year old judging by how much she grew after she had her babies, and was a Houston stray, already pregnant when I adopted her. Looked at head-on it was hard to imagine her being any bigger by the time the gestation was finished. Every time she jumpd down from, say, the couch or the bed, she made a little sound like it hurt. She was a beautiful lilac-cream long-haired tortoiseshell, I had never seen a cat so pretty, and she had the softest fur I have ever felt. She had four healthy kittens, two orange boys, a black and white and a tortie darker than herself. I flew the black and white ones to my mother and sister in Maryland, and they both lived to be 18 or so. The boys were given away. I spayed her right after that. > Oh my goodness, she was big! My girl, who lived to be 20, was not even > a year old judging by how much she grew after she had her babies, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in Maryland, and they both lived to be 18 or so. The boys were > given away. I spayed her right after that. do you have any pitchers of her? she sounds nice and pretty Thank you cybercat for the food, quite possibly an investment in your future? heh, otherwise, thank you... I'll let you know the minute it gets here. can't wait! It just seems to me I should also get them (incl lucy) some SD... when I bought it for Ruprecht, it looked and smelled healthy. I can tell a huge difference tween crunchy and wet... THEY BARELY DRINK ANY WATER on wet food on an occassional small box of dry.. they drink lots of water. Thanks baby "2fingah" <bigbadbarry@gmail.com> wrote : > do you have any pitchers of her? she sounds nice and pretty Yes, I do, I will scan some and put them up. I really loved that cat, though she was not wild about people. She let me hold her in my arms two nights in her long life--the night my father died and the night my mother died. > Thank you cybercat for the food, quite possibly an investment in your > future? heh, otherwise, thank you... I'll let you know the minute it > gets here. can't wait! You're welcome, honey. Next thing is the spay fund. > It just seems to me I should also get them (incl lucy) some SD... when > I bought it for Ruprecht, it looked and smelled healthy. I have to say, that is all my 20-year-old ate for the last 15 years of her life. She died with all of her teeth--just one small chip-- at age 20! And never a health problem of any kind. SD dry, just the regular maintenance, had an oil, fishy something about it, and the change in her litter box was amazing--much less and less stinky poo. Pop in at a Petsmart and see if SD makes kitten food, maybe? Because Petfooddirect said yesterday that your food will leave their warehouse "in three to five days," and they are in PA, so that means you might see it in a week. > You're welcome, honey. Next thing is the spay fund. heaven belongs to you > Pop in at a Petsmart and see if SD makes kitten food, maybe? > Because Petfooddirect said yesterday that your food will leave > their warehouse "in three to five days," and they are in PA, so > that means you might see it in a week. sounds like a plan >> You're welcome, honey. Next thing is the spay fund. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > sounds like a plan So how are they? Are you busy and distracted now? I want to hear more about them. There are seven of them! Two tabbies? And ... what else?  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > So how are they? Are you busy and distracted now? I want to hear > more about them. There are seven of them! Two tabbies? And ... > what else? just working on some Christmas music... got a few i've been writing on.. ill go see.. i tell ya.. i keep thinking.. maybe there is 8.... nah.. they squirm around.. illi go see.. brb NEVERMIND they're stacked up you can only see three heads.. lmao ill figure it out Jupiter is being taxed... babies lined up pulling on her earlier, one was flat on it's back.. still sucking the air.. it was asleep Jupiter comes when I call her like a dog, she always comes when I call her I haven't tried to call her from her babies.. anyway... my point is, her an me are close... I wanna throw this in.... Jupiter won't let Lucy in the room, SO! Lucy hid out in the back of the house where it's cold...a couple of hours later, i was looking for Lucy, I found her hunkered down in the back corner of the house.. OMG POOR THING I threw her over my shoulder and took her to the heater... she SHIVERED in intervals.. not a steady shiver.. but some other deeper shake of the cold mechanism.. ever seen that? anyway.. I warmed her up and hid her in my bed.. she loves it! Last night, Lucy finally stopped being... scared of me.. Im not sure what broke but she is quite trusting of me... Jupiter is tired I can tell.. but she's eating... btw.. she pottied earlier it was just brown and runny... twice now... i figure this is her body scrapping superflous womb fluids?... nothing funky smelling.. IM sure it's normal. abouti Lucy... I bet Lucy has never seen this before.. kittens and defensive mothers Jupiter is like a hawk.. she comes out of her palace carefully.. looks for Lucy.. then goes to eat... > Last night, Lucy finally stopped being... scared of me.. Im not sure > what broke but she is > quite trusting of me... That's good to hear. When you are interested in the kittens again, enough to see how many there really are and what colors they are, I am interested in knowing. Goodnight. > That's good to hear. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Goodnight. far as me having the money to spay my cat? you don't have the money either now do you? but you have no problem spouting 'HE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY" BUT NEITHER DO YOU SO.. NANCY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A SLICE OF CHEESE >> That's good to hear. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > NANCY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY A SLICE OF CHEESE Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? no.. it's not a priority and it's still not look if yule sit back and relax, ill show you what Im doing stop judging me that's how it feels you're picking a fight keep tampering with me and Ill spank that a.s till it turns red think im playing with you im serious stop aggrivating me about goddamn mutherfucking money goddmammit f.ck a dollar have some muther f.cking faith nigger please >> Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >no.. it's not a priority and it's still not Why not? -mhd >>> Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >>no.. it's not a priority and it's still not > > Why not? > -mhd He told me on the phone it is because she is "just a cat." I can buy him all the cat food in the world and it will never change that attitude. He's one of "those," masquerading as someone who genuinely cares about his cats. Poor Jupiter and Lucy. No doubt he will be looking to unload them whenever they become inconvenient. I begged him to spay her or keep her in, and just got a raft of sh.t for my troubles. Poor kittens. Barry can make all the noise he wants, I have known him long enough to know that Barry is the center of Barry's world. Nobody else--especially not "just a cat"--could ever matter enough that he might sacrifice a few beers or a computer part to help them. And yet, he's on the dole and always happy to take a handout. Ugh. >>>>Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >>> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > He told me on the phone it is because she is "just a cat." Oh boy oh boy oh boy, I would have paid money to hear the conversation after that... Poor Jupiter. This will not be her last litter by a long shot. Is his other female cat fixed, or when is she due? Rhonda "Rhonda" <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote : > Is his other female cat fixed, or when is she due? Lucille is fixed because Barry adopted her that way, when she was seven years old, about a year ago. She had somehow had her leg broken, and her previous owners got her proper vet care for that, but then decided they did not want her. Lucy was adopted first, then Jupiter, and they were getting along but now Jupiter is being combative due to the kittens. Very sad for Lucy. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > "Rhonda" <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > owners got her proper vet care for that, but then > decided they did not want her. That's good that she's spayed. So Jupiter will be the only one having litters of kittens. > Lucy was adopted > first, then Jupiter, and they were getting along but > now Jupiter is being combative due to the kittens. > Very sad for Lucy. Our mom-cat also attacked another one of our cats that accidentally got into the "kitten room." She snuck past us and it was a holy war. When the kittens were older and weaned, Maggie (mom) was okay with the other cats. Her fierceness only lasted while the kittens were defenseless. Rhonda > When the kittens were older and weaned, Maggie (mom) was okay with the > other cats. Her fierceness only lasted while the kittens were defenseless. > > Rhonda makes sense. far as I know, and I think Im right, Lucy has never seen a kitten... Lucy is still real curios.. Jupiter has drawn a few lines.. but really? Lucy comes and goes as she pleases, there's a little more to this than just shying from Jupiter as in.. Lucy is historically a little hypersensitive one thing, I posted about it yesterday I think.. (i've been so chatty) Lucy is a heart breaker... so darn sweet.. she's been super sweet too un-afraid of me and super sweet.. she turned bold towards me overnight. I think all my patience has finally paid off, I figure Jupiter being so territorial has everything to do with it somehow barry, do you have multiple personalities? > barry, do you have multiple personalities? > barry, do you have multiple personalities?" where'd that come from? no if your'e toking bout cybercat thingy.. check it out one minute it's "BARRY IS A KNUCKLE DRAGGING.. BLAH BLAH" next minute it's "here, have a case of catfood" next minute she's back to bashing me. hmmm? And where in my replies to her (posted on this group) do I sway young lady? I don't. Im a rock! if you're seeing anything, you're seeing someone that is no stranger to multiple abuses. I mean.. I take a lot, up till I feel it is of no value to the person I call myself trying to help. I mean, I don't mind getting walked on.. that's what bridges are for.. but if I feel the walker is not moving forward then I send out the troll (who lives under the bridge) >>>> Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >>>no.. it's not a priority and it's still not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Ugh. My initial impression when he first showed up was that he was a cat advocate and really loved his cats but I guess I misread him. Even Barry has to see an upside to neutering his colony (which he now has). -mhd >>>>> Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >>>>no.. it's not a priority and it's still not [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > advocate and really loved his cats but I guess I misread him. Even > Barry has to see an upside to neutering his colony (which he now has). He does. The downside for him is that he would rather spend his money on something else. Barry loves things and people other than Barry until they become inconvenient. Here's the game: when people say he is irresponsible, he claims you didn't have the MEANS to do the right thing. But then if one of the people he used this on has the gall to say "He does not have the money for ____," Barry gets offended and turns into Barry Big Balls to protect his overblown and sadly fragile ego, "No money? I have plenty of money, YOU don't have any damn money," he wrote to me in this group last night, after I had of course put in a nice Petfooddirect order for him for 10 lbs of kitten food and 24 5.5 oz cans of cat food. "I just chose not to use the money for that," says Barry. Who then gets to be the Big Man Who Has More Than Enough Money, and somehow at the same time the Poor Boy Who Can Barely Afford Gas for his Truck Which Is His Livelyhood. And then of course, he will repeat the cycle. Claiming to be poor, then getting offended if you suggest he does not have enough money. I have been dealing with this sh.t for over a year, I should have a f-ing PhD in it. And that, my friend, is the end of my interest in this freak, who can be quite charming. Charlie Wilkes calls it his "schtick." I have no regrets about sending cat food and cat toys etc. Hell, I always give the little bit of extra money away to somebody, anyway. People like Barry see people like me coming. He has made something of a career of it. :) The really cool thing? The more I give away the more seems to come to me out of nowhere. There's a system out there in the ether, I swear it! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>>>Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > be > quite charming. Charlie Wilkes calls it his "schtick." shtick means sh.t, but contextually it means "routine". Thanks to Yiddish for one of my favorite words! > shtick means sh.t, but contextually it means "routine". Thanks to Yiddish > for one of my favorite words! Hey, man, I grew up in BALTIMORE! Yiddish words abound. Schmaltz (sickly sticky sweet or just plain tacky?) is one of my favorites. And putz! Hahaha! Then there is kvetch (complain) , meshuggna [spelling! But it means "nut!"]; nosh [pig out!], & shlemazle [poor sap!]. Somehow, as a child, I missed the fact that being Jewish had to do with religion. I thought Jewish people where just like the Serbs and Poles, the Czechs and Africans and Indians. Just from another country, you know? Diverse, you bet. Undereducated and miserable? You BET! I was glad to get out of Baltimore. But I sure miss the ethnic mix. Same thing with Houston, but add in lots of Asians and middle easterners. And Texans, who of course, while not technically from another country, are really from another planet. :D I loved Houston. No zoning. Topless bars would go up next to churches and there would ... sometimes ... be a public outcry. hahahaha! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>shtick means sh.t, but contextually it means "routine". Thanks to Yiddish >>for one of my favorite words! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And putz! Hahaha! Then there is kvetch (complain) , meshuggna > [spelling! But it means "nut!"]; nosh [pig out!], & shlemazle [poor sap!]. There is a hilarious book out there called "Yiddish with Dick and Jane" and even better, they made another one called "Yiddish with George and Laura" (Bush) My parents bought the former for my DH who is of the Christian variety. I bought the George and Laura one for my great aunt. She'll pish in her pants! :) > Somehow, as a child, I missed the fact that being Jewish had to do with > religion. I thought Jewish people where just like the Serbs and Poles, the > Czechs and Africans and Indians. Just from another country, you know? It's a religion yes, but also a very cultural thing! For me personally, it is a lot more cultural than religious! > Diverse, you bet. Undereducated and miserable? You BET! I was > glad to get out of Baltimore. But I sure miss the ethnic mix. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > bars would go up next to churches and there would ... sometimes ... be > a public outcry. hahahaha! I've really only lived in the Chicago area, Central Illinois for college years and Spain for about 6 months also during the college years. Fortunately, Chicagoland is quite diverse! Plenty of mix around here! > There is a hilarious book out there called "Yiddish with Dick and Jane" > and even better, they made another one called "Yiddish with George and > Laura" (Bush) Oooooo! I have to see them! Hahaha! > My parents bought the former for my DH who is of the Christian variety. I > bought the George and Laura one for my great aunt. She'll pish in her [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It's a religion yes, but also a very cultural thing! For me personally, it > is a lot more cultural than religious! Yeah, I guess in a way, I had it right. It just seemed like, when I grew up, most people emphasized the religious differences rather than the cultural differences. But then they are so entwined. What's weird is, I grew up with no sense of religious bigotry, maybe because one of my parents was a devout Catholic and the other an indifferent Baptist. :) In other words, if they really cared, they would not have married one another! Up there, it seemed most people in my world were Catholic or Jewish. Or stuff like Russian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox. Not many protestants among the white people, anyway. Down here, Catholics are viewed as some sort of exotic, immoral variety! Just as a few Catholic churches begin to show up, the Bible Belters are asked to try to get their minds around Islam! Racism was a different thing. In Baltimore, it was while against black and vice versa and it ran deep and it was openly hateful, not the more insidious, polite version I see down here. But then it might have been the times, too. I was born in 1959 ... you may have read that there was some stuff happening in race relations then. :D > I've really only lived in the Chicago area, Central Illinois for college > years and Spain for about 6 months also during the college years. > Fortunately, Chicagoland is quite diverse! Plenty of mix around here! I have never been to Chicago, chica, and I am dying to go. The food alone would be enough entertainment!! SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> shtick means sh.t, but contextually it means "routine". Thanks to Yiddish >> for one of my favorite words! [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > bars would go up next to churches and there would ... sometimes ... be > a public outcry. hahahaha! LOL! Hey, I resemble that remark! ;> Hugs, CatNipped >> Same thing with Houston, but add in lots of Asians and middle easterners. >> And Texans, who of course, while not technically from another country, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LOL! Hey, I resemble that remark! ;> :) Sigh. I still miss Houston, I thought it was a riot. It really made my sense of humor bloom. (Some would say you have to have one to live there, or you'll just stroke out from the traffic, at the very least!) I am still wondering if Marfreless is still there. A place in West University, if I recall correctly, that had no sign on the door, and was very cool and very strange. It was a restaurant. Sort of. :D I just looked it up and found this: Marfreless Ventures 2006 Peden St Houston, TX Phone: (713) 528-0083 http://tinyurl.com/wfv82 Is that West U? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>> Same thing with Houston, but add in lots of Asians and middle >>> easterners. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Is that West U? Lori, it is River Oaks! And it is still there, I can't believe it. PLEASE go for a drink sometime. With a man. The article below tells something about it. You could also recommend it to your kids for a romantic date. Think cushions on the floor and beaded curtains. Very strange, beautiful music. Hushed voices and piquant incense. hahaha! I got a LOT out of being 22 years old in Houston. Yes, I did. (I think the median age was 25 when I moved there! There were lots of fun things to do!) http://www.superpages.com/cities/articles/houston-tips.html >>>> Same thing with Houston, but add in lots of Asians and middle >>>> easterners. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > http://www.superpages.com/cities/articles/houston-tips.html Oops, just replied to your other note before I saw this one. Yes, you're right. I've never been there but I'll have to try it on Ben and my "first kiss" anniversary. Hugs, CatNipped >> http://www.superpages.com/cities/articles/houston-tips.html > > Oops, just replied to your other note before I saw this one. Yes, you're > right. I've never been there but I'll have to try it on Ben and my "first > kiss" anniversary. It is the most romantic eating and drinking establishment I have ever been to, in the US or elsewhere. Or at least it was! If you go, report back. And remember, what happens in Marfreless .... :D >>> Same thing with Houston, but add in lots of Asians and middle >>> easterners. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of humor bloom. (Some would say you have to have one to live there, or > you'll just stroke out from the traffic, at the very least!) Oh gawd, yes. Here are the 19 basic rules for traffic in Houston... 1. A right lane construction closure is just a game to see how many people can cut in line by passing you on the right as you sit in the left lane waiting for the same piss ants to squeeze their way back in before hitting the construction barrels. (Getting out of your car and moving the barrels is okay too) 2. Turn signals are just clues as to your next move in road battle, so never use them. 3. Under no circumstance should you leave a safe distance between you and the car in front of you no matter how fast you are going. If you do, then the space will be filled by somebody else putting you in an even more dangerous position, even farther behind. 4. The faster you drive through a red light the less likely the chance you have of getting hit. 5. Never get in the way of that car that needs extensive body work. (Remember he is probably heavily insured, yeah with no-fault insurance) 6. Braking is to be done as hard and as late as possible to insure that your anti-locking braking system kicks in to give you a nice long relaxing massage as the brake pedal pulsates. 7. Construction signs tell you about road closures immediately after you pass the last opportunity to exit but before the traffic begins. 8. The electronic traffic warning system signs are not there to provide useful information about traffic, but just to tell time and to make Houston look progressive. 9. Never pass on the left when you can pass on the right. It's a good way to scare the people entering the freeway. Passing on the shoulder is allowed. 10. Speed limits are arbitrary figures to make Texas look as if it conforms to other states' policies; these are given only as suggestions and are not enforceable. 11. Just because you are in the left lane and have no room to speed up or move over doesn't mean that a 610 loop driver flashing his high beams behind you doesn't think that he can go faster in your spot. 12. Please remember that there is no such thing as a short-cut during rush hour traffic on I-10. 13. Always slow down and rubberneck when you see an accident or even a person changing a flat tire. If you are lucky you might even see the unwitting breakdown victim get mugged, the proceeds of which are vested directly into the Democratic front-runner's campaign for mayor. 14. Learn to swerve abruptly. Houston is the home of high-speed slalom driving thanks to TXDOT who put potholes in key locations to test drivers' reflexes and keep them on their toes. Parts of tires are left on new highways where potholes have not yet been established. 15. It is tradition in Houston to honk your horn at the cars that don't move the instant that the light changes to green. The city is founded on such traditions. 16. Seeking eye contact with another driver revokes your right of way. 17. Giving the finger may invite armed retaliation. Be sure that the rifle is on the gun rack in the rear window and visible rather than lying on the seat and in range to pick up easily. 18. All unmarked exits lead to Southeast Houston. 19. You don't have to wait for an exit to get off the freeway, just follow the ruts in the grass to the frontage road, everyone else is. It's just the way that the people of Houston let the TXDOT know where the exits should have been. > I am still wondering if Marfreless is still there. A place in West > University, if [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Is that West U? Close - it's in River Oaks (veddy, veddy swanky part of town doncha know! - not like the dives I can afford!! ;>) Hugs, CatNipped > Oh gawd, yes. Here are the 19 basic rules for traffic in Houston... > >[snips hilarious and very true Houston driving rules!] So true. When my friend picked me up at the airport, she told me the drive to our apartment would take about an hour. By the time we got there, all I could say after observing the traffic was "I will NEVER drive here." lol Of course I did, and it made me a much better driver. You have to have the reflexes of a cat! >> http://tinyurl.com/wfv82 >> >> Is that West U? > > Close - it's in River Oaks (veddy, veddy swanky part of town doncha > know! - not like the dives I can afford!! ;>) As I recall, Marfreless did not fit in with the typical River Oaks stuff. If it did I doubt we could have afforded to go there! It was very cool. Man, if you go and they will let you, take some pictures! hahaha >> Oh gawd, yes. Here are the 19 basic rules for traffic in Houston... >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Of course I did, and it made me a much better driver. You have > to have the reflexes of a cat! My current commute (from the Greenway Plaza area downtown to Spring) is about 1.5 hours on a *good* day (and when is it ever a good day for Houston traffic - anybody want to buy the devil some ice skates?!?). I just ordered some books on CD so I can take my mind off wanting to pop a cap in some idiot's @$$ who cuts me off (like he's going to get home any faster in *this* lane that's going 2 MPH over *that* lane that's going 2 MPH). But the jammed part of the drive is a piece of cake compared to the tollways where everyone is doing 100+ MPH while talking on their cell phones and munching on MickyDs fries (where do they find the free hand to shoot the bird with??!)! >>> http://tinyurl.com/wfv82 >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If it did I doubt we could have afforded to go there! It was very cool. > Man, if you go and they will let you, take some pictures! hahaha I'll do that. Our "first kiss" anniversary is coming up on January 15, so I'll suggest this to DH. Hugs, CatNipped >> My initial impression when he first showed up was that he was a cat >> advocate and really loved his cats but I guess I misread him. Even [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >something else. Barry loves things and people other than Barry until they >become inconvenient. snip >I had of course put in a nice Petfooddirect order for him for 10 lbs >of kitten food and 24 5.5 oz cans of cat food. "I just chose not to >use the money for that," says Barry. >I have no regrets about sending cat food and cat toys etc. Hell, I >always give the little bit of extra money away to somebody, anyway. >People like Barry see people like me coming. He has made something of >a career of it. :) >The really cool thing? The more I give away the more seems to come to >me out of nowhere. There's a system out there in the ether, I swear >it! At least by sending product you just know the cats will get it which is a good thing. You are very generous and as Earl (NBC) says... "As I go through life, fixing my mistakes one at a time, Ive learned a thing or two about Karma, and part of keeping good Karma is sharing it with others. I hope these notions help you as much as theyve helped me. Do good things and good things will happen to you. Do bad things and it will come back and bite you in the a.s. If you want a better life, you need to be a better person. Bad luck might be contagious. It wouldnt be fair to bring someone into your life until you clean yours up. Never underestimate the power of confidence. And never underestimate fifteen beers, a little enlightenment, and the power of Rob Base and DJ Easy Rock. A person needs a little rest after having his moustache tickled at a gay bar. You have to do the hard things in life sooner or later. If you want the reward, you have to do the work. The secret to life is fixing all the bad things that youve done. Whether picking up trash, returning stolen merchandise, or helping a homosexual find love, it always has the same reward feeling good about yourself. Karma. You got to love it." :-) -mhd <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote > > You are very generous and as Earl (NBC) says... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > If you want a better life, you need to be a better person. [...] > Karma. You got to love it." > > :-) > > -mhd I meant to watch this show when I saw the previews, but somehow never got to it. I'll have to check it out. What a philosopher! ;) SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Whether picking up trash, returning stolen merchandise, or helping a > homosexual find love, it always has the same reward... feeling good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -mhd I agree as far as mending something that is mendable, believe me, some things are not mendable... as bad as we want them to be fixed most of the time most of the time it is best to forget those things which are behind us I mean sure, if you're feeling guilty and feel like you should call someone up and apologize then by all means... my only thoughts about your philosahfee is... be careful to know what is worthy to fix on the on the other hand, listen.. this is some of my best advice... if you have done a foolish thing? don't return to that thing.. cover it up. leave it alone. don't tell nobody. how simple is that. and it works. the laws of providence are karma are basically the same thing, only the latter is a secular word for the real word, but they mean the same thing. you reap what you sew use the conscience... its like a compass... it tells us when we feel bad or not (guilty) guilt is universal.. but some guilt can be triggered by new knowledge... for example I didn't know that calling you a fat a.s made you feel like committing suicide... all of a sudden I feel bad and need to apologize. guilt. It's time to take up the offering. This weeks offering is going to bookie. The hell are you talking about showing a gay some love? nothing wrong with that, but if you think this is the place to write about it.. tell me what you mean.. Im asking.. do you goto gay bars? OR do you feel bad for going so you justify going "In the Name of Love".. oh the scars I carry all for the sake of love... nah.. you do what your common sense tells you to do. if you have to justify something.. you are.. covering up guilt. that is.. rationalizations often stem from guilt. and guilt! there is also false guilt. Im glad you brought it up!... some folk would make me feel guilty for not giving to the salvation army Bell Ringer. guilt. guilt is a motivator, ah! use your common sense and secondly use your conscience as a guide. thing is.. it's not hard to apoligize... The one gift I would covet most in these days and times.. is the ability to pick up the pieces and keep moving. (if i've made a mess of things) very easily spoken, it takes a big man or woman to do it. and sure.. sometimes you have to carry your pain with you. (just make it come on)... you can cry later. lol any where I use the word "you" above.. is not directed at you, im just using it generically >The hell are you talking about showing a gay some love? > >nothing wrong with that, but if you think this is the place to write >about it.. tell me what you mean.. Im asking.. do you goto gay bars? Dude, that whole section was a quote from the NBC website for the TV show "My Name Is Earl" http://www.nbc.com/My_Name_Is_Earl/karma_guide.shtml -mhd > It's time to take up the offering. This weeks offering is going to > bookie. > > The hell are you talking about showing a gay some love? eh? when did I say anything like that? news to me.... and what has it got to do with cats? unless we are now on the subject of gay cats (and that would be no surprise) > It's time to take up the offering. This weeks offering is going to > bookie. > > The hell are you talking about showing a gay some love? eh? when did I say anything like that? news to me.... and what has it got to do with cats? unless we are now on the subject of gay cats (and that would be no surprise) > It's time to take up the offering. This weeks offering is going to > bookie. > > The hell are you talking about showing a gay some love? eh? when did I say anything like that? news to me.... and what has it got to do with cats? unless we are now on the subject of gay cats (and that would be no surprise) > > It's time to take up the offering. This weeks offering is going to > > bookie. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > and what has it got to do with cats? unless we are now on the subject > of gay cats (and that would be no surprise) can't you read? lets just agree to disagree snot like we're tookien bout the end of the world > I have no regrets about sending cat food and cat toys etc. Hell, I always > give the little > bit of extra money away to somebody, anyway. People like Barry see people > like > me coming. He has made something of a career of it. :) PROVE WHERE I HAVE EVER ASKED YOU OR HINTED OR SUGGESTED THAT YOU SEND ME ONE PASTY DIME, YOU CAN'T DO IT, CAUSE I NEVER DID The devil is a liar and all his children tell lies. you? phd? what in lying? cyber.. you better go get you some more romance novels, you're bout out of little fuzzy phrases get out my face > He does. The downside for him is that he would rather spend his money on > something else. Barry loves things and people other than Barry until they [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > getting > offended if you suggest he does not have enough money. When he, in fact, has told us all time and time again he's poor. > I have been dealing with this sh.t for over a year, I should have a f-ing > PhD > in it. And that, my friend, is the end of my interest in this freak, who can > be > quite charming. Charlie Wilkes calls it his "schtick." Of course it's his schtick. It's the schtick of every food-stamp-selling welfare Queen in America, too. He probably pan-handles people on the street for dope money. > I have no regrets about sending cat food and cat toys etc. Hell, I always > give the little [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of > nowhere. There's a system out there in the ether, I swear it! Law of 10-fold return. Of course "good Christians" like Barry wouldn't dare believe in a Karmic balance so no such thing would ever befall them. You have nothing to beat yourself up about. You helped out a fellow man in need. It's his Karmic debt in screwing you that will have to be repaid - 10-fold, of course. -L. > The really cool thing? The more I give away the more seems to come to > me out of > nowhere. There's a system out there in the ether, I swear it! No need to swear. There is, indeed, a "system". Don't let anyone/anything tell you otherwise. And yet, he's on the dole and always happy to > take a handout. > > Ugh. ain't nobody usurped by your accussations but thank you for being so mean > >> Barry. You said you have not had the money to get Jupiter spayed. ??? > >no.. it's not a priority and it's still not > > Why not? > -mhd some people here are overstating the problem, magnifying this matter of "suffering" they use the subject of "suffering" to be a part of the "higher morals club", has nothing to do with money. I don't see the suffering that is touted on this group. I think that's simple enough. therefor I don't feel compelled! If I were to goto the hospitol up the screet and see the man bawled up in pain GRABBING HIS HEART! because he ate too much pork! if I were to heap up the stats about heart attacks.. I might be able to get you to give to the heart foundation different strokes for different folks Im very good with animals, I love animals, yet I am accussed of being an abuser? good heavens, nobody buys that! EXCEPT those who are depraved of any real life of their own so to speak.. to answer your question, it's an issue and a subject that is merely a means to another end.. has nothing to do with cats! AND YES I believe many here genuinely love and do nice things for their cats and other animals, but this matter of saying... "if you don't spay your cat then you're an abuser?" ha!... why does it have to be all or none? I've already stated above.. there is a need for some to frame someone like myself.. who does live in the real world, who understands the world I live in and the times I live in. that's all.. to break it down one more step... it's all about folk trying to come up higher so if I think someone is "odd" for having a fetish about a cat.. they will simply label me an abuser.. see.. therefor they are not odd... oh but they are.. and they know it.. each stroke of my pen drives the facts deeper into their minds... they'll be alright.. it's not really about the cats its about the social exchange here. and some occassional advice from some extremeist. >, but >this matter of saying... "if you don't spay your cat then you're an >abuser?" ha!... All labels aside do you truly believe letting your cats go unspayed/neutered is fair to future generations that will probably end up feral, suffering and sick or in a kill shelter? You've got 9 cats now and you going to find that getting safe homes for them all to be very difficult. Do the right thing. -mhd You posted LAST NIGHT that you had not over the course of a year had the money to get Jupiter spayed, because you needed the money for other things. So are you saying you DID and DO have the money? I don't understand. Gotta go. When you make up your mind, do let us all know. I am so sorry for suggesting that you do not have the money to spay Jupiter just because you SAID THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO SPAY HER. Freak. And, you're right. I don't have the money for a piece of cheese. But I sure had $50 to send you cat food, didn't I, BarryBigBalls. You are the worst of the backwoods and the worst of the ghetto. You disgust me. cyber, I asked you not to send food but... I know you enjoyed doing it.. so I didn't protest too loud.. I am gracious, I want you to enjoy what you want to enjoy Jupiter will enjoy your gifts and Lucy too! they love the snakes you sent. I learned the trick about toy rubber snakes.. if you pick them up.. and rattle them.. the cats think they are alive no really! they don't know it's you shaking it.. THEN! they want to help you put it dowwwwnnnnn.... I love you cyber, you're so sweet, but hard to understand sometimes... maybe I think too much, I don't know. I don't wanna fight. Im going back to my tunes, im rebuilding the studio from scratch.. it takes about $25,000.00 of software to start with.. and another $25,000 in bells and whistles... and it takes time to shuffle through all these CD's If you can't send money.. send tobacco? ~George Washington > > Last night, Lucy finally stopped being... scared of me.. Im not sure > > what broke but she is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > many there really are and what colors they are, I am interested in > knowing. it's going to be a while.. may as well forget about it for a long time next time I handle a kitten? they will be coming to me... im not fondling their nest! why? cause I want them to have all the solitude and MOTHERLY protection i can afford. In this.. I am showing respect to jupiter this way, she won't sh.t on my bed to get even... or piss on my carpets to get even. Im showing respect.. that's why Jupiter is on me like fuzz on a sucker I give her the same respect that I expect from her >> > Last night, Lucy finally stopped being... scared of me.. Im not sure >> > what broke but she is [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I give her the same respect that I expect from her Right. Freak. > I give her the same respect that I expect from her If you respected her you'd get her spayed and keep her indoors away from packs of dogs. -L. > I know this much! when you see they are pregnant.. MAKE A PLACE FOR > THEM. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I kept saying.. within a week of so Ill make her a bed.. oh no... you > only have a few days. Only if you are a f.cking idiot and don't notice that your cat is eating more, gaining weight and acting differently. The signs of pregnancy are easy to see, fairly early in the pregnancy. -L. > Why don't you want him to move them? If it were my box spring, the kittens > would be out of there and in a box with clean towels in the back of a closet [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > W the babies are fine. Thanks, I took your advice, I moved them directly it wasn't easy my box.sp sets on a wooden cube.. sorta like a waterbed bottom with drawers... anyway.. i lifted the box.sp, and slid it to one side.. now the whole package is in one nest... it was wet.. but it was warm.. almost just damp.. she had them during the day. the package was about 16"'s off the floor.. so I couldn't just cut them out.. I happened to have a piece of steel... just a little bigger than the mamma and her babies... cramped up in there. laying on my back.. with one hand, i held the steel like a waiter holds a tray..with just my fingertips for better balance.. with the other hand I cut them out.. like I say.. I had about 16in of vertical space... I was laying on my side sorta... it wasn't easy... really.. the platter arm was getting tired... I didn't want to cut the babies... anywho.. I pushed the tray against them as I made the final cuts... Jupiter sat up... oh she was beautiful.. I could see her tiredness.. but she totally trusted me... she was pretty relaxed. there are 7 kittens... black, grey and stipey.. one is solid black, one is solid grey, one is all tabby, one is just striped on the legs... that's all i remember right now. I took them all over to their new home... a steel box.. all sides are covered except a small hole in the front.. I gave them lambs wools for a bed Jupiter took to the whole Idea like a charm she went to cleaning herself and the babies.. right away she had cleaned all the icky sights... but they were all still damp.. Jupiter was wet bless her heart within 20 mins.. she was out eating... and drinking... LIKE A CHAMP now.. this morning.. Jupiter came out of her house, came into the hallway... stood in the door in the hall and geered at Lucy acroos the adjacent room Lucy was laying on the back of my overstuffed rump-sprung lazy boy (she was up on the back of it)... Jupiter sailed across the room and cursed Lucy out... Lucy is a trip.. she's un-easy, and Jupiter shows no fear for Lucy If the babies cry.. Jupiter goes running.. groaning as she goes.. bless her heart Thanks again >> Why don't you want him to move them? If it were my box spring, the >> kittens [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Jupiter was wet > bless her heart [...] > If the babies cry.. Jupiter goes running.. groaning as she goes.. > bless her heart > > Thanks again oh, you did good. I know you're tired, but take some pitchers when you can. SEVEN kittens, Barry this worries me because she just has six nipples. But maybe what happened with the cat I fostered was a fluke. (For those of you who don't know, she abandoned one baby.) > oh, you did good. I know you're tired, but take some pitchers when you can. > > SEVEN kittens, Barry this worries me because she just has six nipples. But > maybe what happened with the cat I fostered was a fluke. (For those of you > who > don't know, she abandoned one baby.) fo real! yeah it's seven alright. I might look for that.. see if anyone is getting slighted. Im sure they'll be fine.. after I saw Jupiter sail across the room in one leap ALL UP IN LUCY'S FACE... barking like a dog! Im sure dem babies will find some nutritious tit. Jupe is eating just fine >> oh, you did good. I know you're tired, but take some pitchers when you >> can. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > babies will find some nutritious tit. > Jupe is eating just fine You're feeding her kitten food right? She's going to need all she can get to take care of all of those babies. W > You're feeding her kitten food right? She's going to need all she can get > to take care of all of those babies. He's got a ten-lb bag of Nutro kitten and pregnant/nusring mama cat food on the way. Maybe in the mean time he can get a box of kitten food at Kroger. I need to send some canned kitten food from Petfooddirect too, but I wanted to send the regular that Lucy and Jup like a lot first. (Barry can buy his own cat food, but that is a big family.) He should get non scoopable litter, right? >> You're feeding her kitten food right? She's going to need all she can get >> to take care of all of those babies. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > He should get non scoopable litter, right? Yes. He might as well switch over to the clay now so he has it when the kittens are old enough to start investigating the box. They will begin to learn box etiquette at around 4 weeks. W > the babies are fine. > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Thanks again Wow 7! That's a big litter particularly for her first, the little hussy W > Wow 7! That's a big litter particularly for her first, the little hussy Hahaha! Well, to his credit, Barry did manage to keep her in about the first 20 times she went into heat. And from the sounds of it she was yowling her head off and not letting him sleep, either. > there are 7 kittens... black, grey and stipey.. Oh, that's just great. Let's do the math, shall we, since we know you aren't smart nor motivated enough to do it yourself.... Let's be conservative...she had 7 kittens, and cats have at least two litters per year. Assuming you don't neuter them all before you rehome them - which we know you won't do - let's be generous and say that 4 of the 7 get neutered (We know it won't be this many, but hey - I'm cutting him some slack). So that leaves 3 cats left to breed - two litters a year with an average of 5 kittens per litter. That's 30 cats produced the first year from Jup's kittens. Let's be generous again and say half of those get neutered - so 15 more cats left to breed, plus the 3 from the first year (assuming he DOES get Jup spayed which is unlikely). So that's a total of 18 cats left to breed the second year - two litters a year with an average of 5 kittens per litter. 180 cats bred the second year, alone. Year 3 results in - 1,980 cats... You see where this is going. It's not cute Barry, it's not funny and it's sickening. You have two choices - take responsibility for what you did, get Jup and ALL of her kittens neutered, or allow your mistake to produce and KILL a lot of future cats. Make amends for your f.ck-up Barry- just ONCE in your life. For the sake of the cats. -L. >Year 3 results in - 1,980 cats... That's assuming they are all females. -mhd > >Year 3 results in - 1,980 cats... > > That's assuming they are all females. > -mhd No, Dingleberry - male cats contribute to the cat over population problem as well. Did you flunk Biology or something? -L. |
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