the reason shelters are bursting at the seams is not because of too
many cats but because the law does not allow to kill them straightway

we have to feed them and medicate them etc...

we should kill them after 10 days and stop advertising

"come get one of our sick cats and give it a loving home"

im not knocking the idea that gives any creature a home full of love
not at all...

but if there's that many damn cats then we should burn it all down and
start over..
i mean... across the country we should kill all the dogs and cats in
one hit
across the board

oh boo hoo! cry two tears in a bucket...

sure, I'd love to see them all have a nice home, but that's not going
to happen

one thing we have learned in this... Barry is just a man

not a god or an angel, im just! <swwwwwwwwwhhhwww... kmf kmf> .. a man

and so what, yes Im having kittens! CAN'T WAIT!

I should roast you

Oh bullshit.  You're nothing but a liar.  God don't like liars, Barry.

You can't even afford to get Jup spayed - how the f.ck are you going to
afford 6 more?  You're an a.shole.

You are the one who is ignorant Barry.  But you aren't ignorant -
that's the issue - you are just plain STUPID.    You KNEW better and
let her get knocked up anyway.  I have ZERO respect for you now - NONE.
If you gave a sh.t about your cats you'd keep them inside and get them
spayed.

No f.ck you, ya StupidFucker.  I pity your poor cats.  I truly do.

-L.

that's what I wanted to do, it's not a matter of choices, for me it was
just a financial decision
so at this point.. if I don't come up with the money... Im going to
enjoy the whole matter... I've already got one good home for a kitten,
then I'll probably keep at least one kitten

I know.  The dumbass won't do it though.

-L.

People who always do the easiest thing are rarely interested in what will
serve everyone well. Or in the truth, for that matter. I have seen bright
people waste their brilliance devising increasingly intricate ways to
rationalize
the terribly wrong, selfish things they do.

Lol naw....

Because you can't help yourself Barry :)

That's going to go up!! If you want the best for them, don't let them go
until 12 weeks minimum. Tinned food is fine, but you are going to be feeding
the 6 or more cans a day. Most people don't have time to do fresh foods, so
tinned is safer all round.

You know I'm going to want to see them :)

So you breed cats? what is the breed?

I am a registered ethical Siamese breeder, we have about 2-3 litter yearly,
and they're desexed and microchipped before sale.

Huh!! Try telling that to all the ignorant 'all breeders are evil' crowd. I
understand they see many cats being put down daily, and in their area they
see lots of purebred dumped cats, but it's very different here. There are a
lot of kittens and cats put down as we have very few no-kill shelters, and
most cats dumped are unwanted litters, older/sick cats or seized from
backyard breeders by the rspca (animal welfare group).The logic that says my
breeding is increasing the number of cats in shelters, or taking a home away
from a shelter cat is very very wobbly.

Uh huh. They usually go to pet shops.

I charge $500. That covers (barely) vaccination, desexing and microchipping,
not to mention food...these things combined cost $210-$230 depending on sex,
and the rest covers their fresh food/premium food diet, worming, flea
treatment. Treatment for illness comes out of my pocket.It does weed out
some bad seeds, but the rest is up to me...if I don't feel right, the answer
is, sorry, but no.

Aah you know, I might disagree with you on stuff, but talking about it
reasonably works far better than screaming abuse. Do you really have a $$
problem desexing your babies, or do you leave it for other reasons? Are you
squeamish about the whole thing? And what are you doing with the kittens?
You said you already have one good home, any ideas for the others?

No they aren't right. Whether to spay/neuter isn't something so unimportant
as to be brushed off as someone having different standards. The two choices,
spay or not, do not have equal merit. That's how the problem got to the
proportions it's at now. Beyond the millions of  cats euthanized every year
at shelters are many more that are left outside or born outside and must try
to fend for themselves. How did they get there????? From irresponsible
people who don't get their animals spayed/neutered and let them roam freely
outdoors. The cat door people who don't spay, the assh*les who lock their
kitties out when they get pregnant, the ones who dump un-neutered fluffy in
the park when he starts spraying around the house are the ones responsible.
I can't condone those standards and am just as guilty if I don't speak out
against them.

I suggest you volunteer at a shelter or with a rescue group before brushing
this off as easily as you do. You should spend your weekends trying to adopt
out the lucky ones who were brought inside and have more people stop by
trying to give you cats than you have applications for the ones you already
have. You should try trapping a colony of cats to get the kittens indoors
before the raccoon gets them. You should try nursing the cat back to health
who is so starved her body started living off her own muscle tissue and she
can't walk. You should go over to the park to get the cat who was dumped
there and who is so unprepared for living outdoors that he doesn't even know
where to find shelter in the rain. I could go on and on but the point is
there aren't enough GOOD homes for all these guys out there already. There
aren't enough homes where people will keep these guys safe and not put them
in a situation where they are right back out there struggling to survive.
You think it's just a matter of differing standards and that should be let
stand???

Barry will probably give the kittens away to people just like himself or
dump them at some shelter or even worse keep them and let them get pregnant
or dead like his last cat. Why will he do this??? Laziness? Selfishness? Oh
that's right, it's just a cat.

You may not like some poster's style but the substance is dead on.

W

well go do it then and stop f.cking it up
do it right

lose the waiting period

what good is a waiting period?

hell.. burn them on the freagin burn trucks.. portable incinerators

i'd put the little blemishes out of their misery..

i'd kill 20 million in one hit, then you ladies can put down your cares

that's just the first step.. what about niggas like me whos teen
daughter gets knocked up
how you gonna put a stop to behavior like mine?

educate me? how about spay my damn cat?

if it effects the whole then the whole can pay for it

I wasn't trying to spend $125.00 when I gave the little bitch a home

this is the thanks I get, warm meals, comfy beds, lots of back rubs
clean litter boxes
WITH SCOOPABLE LITTER.. but one day, I was out of litter.. i just used
a couple of shovels
of dirt! I wont planning on buying cat litter when these two was cast
upon me

I forget who this is in reply to
-
but they probably got it comin

OMG, that would just kill me.

This whole situation is sad, and really annoying.

Barry, surely you know when a cat's in heat that male cats come from
miles around. Even if her little playmate had been a girl, there would
have been another boy there in a second.

This whole priority thing -- do you have a cell phone? Cable TV?
Computer? Internet connection? Yes, it is all priorities.

If you are going to let her have the kittens, make sure you know where
an emergency clinic is near you. Some times they have medical problems
during childbirth that can't wait for payday -- and can be life and
death. Someone I know had a cat giving birth and kittens stopped coming
out, but the cat kept having contractions for a day. They knew there
were more in there and the cat was in trouble. I lent her the money to
get to the vet. You have to have a plan now, because you have some big,
expensive responsibilities coming up.

The kittens have to be wormed in the first month or so (I forget how
early), but kittens are born with worms. They need shots at certain
times then follow-up 3 weeks later with the booster shot. Each "kitten
medical package" was about $150 a few years ago for the shots and
worming and tests, etc. This is bare minimum and needs to be done EARLY.
Check with the vet for the schedule.

Personally, I wouldn't let them go to new homes without being spayed and
neutered. I've found out you can't count on people to follow through
with what they say they'll do. And I know you don't want to have these
kittens bringing more and more kittens into the world. It could result
in hundreds more cats pretty quickly.

Rhonda

But he likes Barry's MUSIC, Lyn! See?

damn CatKB server that I use to post here went down just when I was ready to
forward this post this morning, so here I go for a 2nd time after many many
hours delay.

OK to Lyn ...... I am back ...... my own *credentials* are just as valid as
yours ....... my own experiences just as comprehensive but undertaken in
different positions than yours ..... both in my 30 year (ouch!) working life,
as well as my personal life which includes 14 years with my late Vet. husband
...... so in direct response, you really don't want to know how many animals
I've euthanized in both lives. But I've got many more years living & working
than you (I think!). What was sharply black & white when I was 30 has shaded
somewhat because I know you can't win all the battles.

I never said you, Wendy or Cybercat or the others were wrong - what I
suggested was that everyone tone down the rhetoric. To Wendy, I didn't say
not to speak out about what's important, that's your right. I do enjoy
reading this group & am familiar with many of the posters individual styles
which are all fine with me. But once a certain point's been reached in a
discussion, why bother any further? What's gained? We all have to choose how
we want to get our message across so that we actually accomplish the goal
rather than just scoring points. Are you really going to change Barry's
actions by heaping garbage all over him?
There is a message to get out to the public, governments should be prodded to
support low-cost or no-cost spay-neuter & vaccination clinics, more people
should volunteer with pet rescue or local organizations, and Barry's choices
make an excellent example of what's wrong with inaction.

In my personal life helping in my late husband's practice evenings & weekends,
I had lots of experience dealing with irresponsible, lazy, cheap pet owners
looking for a quick easy solution to problems of their own making. What was
most frustrating is that so often I failed to influence some of these idiots
to do the right thing. I don't miss any of that. My own cats have been & will
continue to be a source of joy, my beauties, my babies - each one so
different. I've had 6, 2 now & all past cats have lived to at least 16 years.
All my cats were rescues & 5 of the 6 were rescues from imminent death. One
wild kitten was removed from teens trying to drown her in an apartment
swimming pool; one 3 month kitten was *removed* from a research facility; one
kitten was surrendered to & removed from a kill shelter; one 7 month kitten
came from an emergency clinic where he was about to be used as their blood
donor; & my latest was dumped in a cardboard box in the parking lot of an
industrial complex over the weekend in the pouring rain.  

M.

after reading all the above posts I have a few questions: Is this '2oz'
chap mentally retarded? and if so should he really be allowed to be
left in charge of the welfare of another living creature ie a cat? in
fact is it really advisable that he is left in charge of himself? from
his responses so far I am wondering whether he should really be in some
sort of home for the mentally challenged. I do hope he is never left to
use sharp instruments by himself or to operate heavy machinery.
I post this message fully expecting the same kind of bizarre and
totally incomprehensible outpouring of venom and verbal excrement with
which he has chosen to answer all the other posts questioning his
rather dubious notions on cat care so far.

I feel so sorry for the cat in question btw, poor little love.

after reading all the above posts I have a few questions: Is this '2oz'
chap mentally retarded? and if so should he really be allowed to be
left in charge of the welfare of another living creature ie a cat? in
fact is it really advisable that he is left in charge of himself? from
his responses so far I am wondering whether he should really be in some
sort of home for the mentally challenged. I do hope he is never left to
use sharp instruments by himself or to operate heavy machinery.
I post this message fully expecting the same kind of bizarre and
totally incomprehensible outpouring of venom and verbal excrement with
which he has chosen to answer all the other posts questioning his
rather dubious notions on cat care so far.

I feel so sorry for the cat in question btw, poor little love.

It's a very good idea. Microchipping isn't 100% foolproof, as if a cat is
stolen, and kept by the thief/re-sold, you won't get it back as vets don't
check for microchips here. However it will prevent the cat from being
unnecessarily euthanased, as I have MY contact details on the chip so that
way the cat returns to me if dumped/lost and I can contact the owners to
find out what happened and decide from there whether they get their cat
back. I have a return policy anyway, so if people can't keep the cat for
whatever reason, I accept it back.