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Jay Kaner - 28 Nov 2006 02:26 GMT Hi group.
Just got a kitten (Our first cat) She's 7 weeks old.
I don't know what to do regarding whether to keep her indoors all the time or let her out.
I think with winter coming and the cat being so young, I will keep her indoors till the spring when things start warming up and decide what to do from there.
Is it ok to keep cats indoors all the time? Or do they 'need' to be let out? Does it have to be a 'one or the other' decision?
If it is, will keeping the kitten indoors over winter have an effect on the in/out option come spring time?
I'd like to know peoples views on this?
One other thing. Is it normal for a kitten to 'purr' constantly? When I say 'purr', it's not like the purrs I've heard from adult cats when they're being stroked. It doesn't seem like she's purring because something nice is happening to her, as in, say, being stroked. This goes on for most of the time she's awake. Is it normal for a kitten to 'purr' like this?
Cheers
Jay
Matthew - 28 Nov 2006 02:33 GMT > Hi group. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Is it ok to keep cats indoors all the time? Or do they 'need' to be let > out? Does it have to be a 'one or the other' decision? No they don't need to be let out. A cat can stay indoors all their life with no problems
> If it is, will keeping the kitten indoors over winter have an effect on > the > in/out option come spring time? 7 weeks is just a baby IMO KEEP THE FURBALL INSIDE. This will start a major debate but think about the area you live in how many cars go by a 3 mile radius of your house daily. Winter will kill a baby cat if they can't find shelter. Think about all the predators out there and not just animal think about human and the dangers they will cause purposely.
But it also depends on the are you live in the USA has more dangers than say Europe. You have to make the judgment call. Think about it from a child point of view what will they get into and what can hurt them
Phil has a great site about all of this http://www.maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm
> I'd like to know peoples views on this? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Jay A cat will purr even when it is dying or in pain.
jmc - 28 Nov 2006 11:48 GMT Suddenly, without warning, Jay Kaner exclaimed (28-Nov-06 11:56 AM):
> Hi group. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jay Oh, you've opened a can of worms here! This is a subject that often devolves into a flameware.
I'm a moderate on this subject. I think if it has to be black or white, all indoor is better than all outdoor. She'll be healthier, and live longer, as an indoor cat. If you give her plenty of attention and sufficient toys, etc to keep her occupied, she'll be a happy indoor kitty as well.
However, if you have a safe, enclosed outdoor area, I see no harm in letting her outside, "under supervision". This is what Meep gets. We let her outside in our enclosed back yard, but only when we're home, and if we're not out there, we check on her periodically. She's never out at night, or out when we're not home. It's our choice to offer to let her go out, but her choice whether she does so.
As for the purring... cats do purr for other reasons than happiness. I've never come across a kitten that purrs continuously, but that doesn't mean much. Is there anything else that seems off about her? Does she seem quieter than you'd expect a kitten to be? Does she eat and eliminate normally? Does she cry, or hiss at odd times? It's probably nothing, but if anything else seems odd about her, a call to the vet wouldn't be amiss.
At any rate, if you haven't already, you should take her to the vet for a checkup anyway, find out what shots she needs and when... and you can ask the vet about her purring.
jmc
m4816k - 29 Nov 2006 12:46 GMT > Oh, you've opened a can of worms here! This is a subject that often > devolves into a flameware. > > I'm a moderate on this subject. I think if it has to be black or white, > all indoor is better than all outdoor. I agree and prefer indoor/outdoor scheme. As I said before here, my neighbour has an indoor/outdoor cat who is 14 years old, and still in great shape. At such young age I'd only take her out in my hands, but kittens try to escape when they want to play so that's not always safe. Of course, every case is a little diferent, for example here where I live we don't have a lot of traffic (our gests from cities always say that they had best nights of sleep in their lives) so very few people keep cats always indoors. I teached my cat (6 month old, male) that it's OK to be outside during the day, but that he'll come in at night. He doesen't mind that at all, and even when he's outside he's always close to us (on the terrace or around the trees). On few occasions he went to neighbours' yards but they don't mind him and know him well. Those living in flats keep cats indoors of course, but one of my friends who's in such situation has a cat that is overweight and passive, cause they don't have much time to play with him and never let him outside. So I don't think there's a perfect sollution, but I'd advise you to introduce her to the outdoors carefully and gradually. Good luck!
She'll be healthier, and live
> longer, as an indoor cat. If you give her plenty of attention and > sufficient toys, etc to keep her occupied, she'll be a happy indoor kitty [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > jmc pah41071@yahoo.com - 28 Nov 2006 12:18 GMT > Just got a kitten (Our first cat) She's 7 weeks old. > I don't know what to do regarding whether to keep her indoors all the time > or let her out. At seven weeks, she is too small anyways to be outside.
> I think with winter coming and the cat being so young, I will keep her > indoors till the spring when things start warming up and decide what to do > from there. Whatever you decide to do, make sure all of her vaccinations are up-to-date and she is spayed before you let her outside, or you will likely end up with a litter of kittens.
> Is it ok to keep cats indoors all the time? It is ok to keep a cat indoors, provided they've never know anything else. Preferably you should have two cats though, so they can keep each other company. Maybe there's still a littermate of the kitten available?
> Or do they 'need' to be let out? Does it have to be a 'one or the other' decision? You will hear lots of opinions about this - I have always adopted adult cats which had been outdoor-only / indoor-outdoor when I adopted them, so they remained that way. I have a bias towards trying to leave a cat indoors if you adopt a kitten (kittens). If they accept it, great, if not, you may decide to let them outside IF you live in a safe environment, the cats are neutered, microchipped and have all their vaccinations. Keep in mind that you will need to treat for fleas and deworm regularly.
> If it is, will keeping the kitten indoors over winter have an effect on the in/out option come spring time? She will know her home well by the time you start letting her out :-)
_eek_ - 28 Nov 2006 12:28 GMT > Hi group. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jay For Gods shake let your cat out,she has to discover,play and learn in natural enviroment.Do not have your cat caged in your appartment,especially now that she is young no matter how many silly cat toys you have
Matthew - 28 Nov 2006 16:02 GMT "_eek_" <eek.GSP@gmail.com>
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Get some mental help.
bobblespin - 28 Nov 2006 15:35 GMT > Hi group. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jay I've had indoor cats and outdoor cats. The indoor cats lived to be 17 and 19 years of age. The outdoor ones all died around 12 and cost me a fortune in vet bills (cat fights, flea treatments, etc.).
We made sure our indoor cats knew the outside of their house by taking them out on a leash & harness regularly. If your cat runs out (as most do) or a visitor or burglar lets her out, you want her to know the smells outside her house so she can find her way back. However, never leave her outside on the leash unattended because she might be attacked and defenseless.
If I had my druthers, all my cats would be indoor cats. Birds and chipmunks are safer, and so are the cats (think cars, dogs, other cats, falls from trees or fences, poisons left out by nasty neighbours who are fed up with your cat digging their flower or vegetable gardens, etc.).
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Eva Quesnell - 28 Nov 2006 18:30 GMT > Hi group. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jay I agree with the others who've said 7 weeks is too young to go outside alone. I personally keep my cats indoors only. Some people think that's mean. But the last cat I allowed to be indoor-outdoor disappeared when he was only 18 months old. That's the last cat I allowed to go outside. I live in a rural area, and I thought he'd be OK out there since I had another cat at the time who came and went as he pleased. He lived to be 17, but he was the exception, I think. There are many dangers outside -- cars, dogs, people.
I also think it's important for indoor kitties to have another cat as a playmate. They need their own furniture, too. I have lots of cat trees and other things for them to rip to shreds.
My brother has two cats that he lets roam anywhere they want. They kill everything they can find. I'm sure that most of the pheasant babies in the area have fallen prey to these two cats. That's another reason I don't like to let the cats outside. Mine get their killing thrills by getting a mouse or two a year who think it's a good idea to come in here when it starts to get cold.
I don't know about the purring thing either. I had a cat once who purred if you looked at him. But kittens will purr to comfort themselves. He's a little young to be taken away from his mother and his siblings, and he may be doing so much purring because he's lonesome for feline companionship. I suggest you get another kitten and let them grow up together. The best time to introduce a second cat is when they are so young and will take to each other easily.
Good luck!
Eva
tracyrose@gmail.com - 29 Nov 2006 08:53 GMT By all means, keep the cat inside when she's young. At seven weeks old, she is far too young - unsupervised or supervised. If you decide to go indoors/outdoors, do some hard calculating about how safe the outdoor area is, introduce her outdoors with a harness and make sure she is supervised the first dozen plus times she ventures outside and that you do not leave her outside unsupervised until you know the extent of her territory, the other neighborhood cats, and that she knows to stay away from the street and moving cars. Also, she must be spayed prior to going outside. And it is okay to keep her indoors with a playmate if you decide to go that way.
-Tracy
> > Hi group. > > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Eva _eek_ - 29 Nov 2006 15:27 GMT In my hometown(countryside) all of my cats(young or old) are roaming FREE(=YAY! they all can do whatever they like) in my garden Winter is not so harsh here so we have a room just to store some wood.In this room theres a box with some old clothes so thats were some of my cats sleep whenever they WANT,i have also provided this room with a thermal bulb.Anyone of my cats who gave birth to kittens(oh who lovely they are),theaches them how to hunt down their preys and how to prowl.DOESNT THIS SEEM SO NATURAL?? CATS ARE ANIMALS NOT YOUR TEDDYBEARS! MY CATS ACT LIKE CATS NOT LIKE SOME FAT FURRY THING
As for Matthew: Go on mate feed your cat to death,dress them up like clowns or sg and act like they are some lifeless object you need just for your ENTERTAINMENT! Your redneck soft soul makes me feel quite uncomfortable :( GO ON MATTHEW EXPLOIT your cats or should i say cat?
anyway cheers
cybercat - 29 Nov 2006 16:42 GMT > In my hometown(countryside) all of my cats(young or old) are roaming > FREE(=YAY! So you advocate that people living in busy, congested, urban areas also leave their cats out unsupervised?
Heh. Not the brightest bulb in the pack are you?
And here's another thing: your "philosophy" is just something that has been drilled into your head by your has-been, old world, stick-in-the-mud "culture." It's likely you have never had an original thought in your nasty little provincial life.
_eek_ - 29 Nov 2006 17:14 GMT hey nasty(lolz) cybercat(cheasy) you think youre original when you cage a a semiwild animal in your appartment just for your pleasure?I wish i would have you locked in room with plenty of food,a tv thats always on and some silly toys to play when youre not sleeping.Maybe you think that animals dont have a soul or sg.I dont know +i dont care. Ps: cats are not like dogs they have no masters and they want to be completely free.If you cant understand that then dont own one. Keep f.cking up with your cat's WILD insticts,
Ps2:Oh and whats your culture all about???
Matthew - 29 Nov 2006 17:25 GMT "_eek_" <eek.GSP@gmail.com>
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GET SOME MENTAL HELP
cybercat - 29 Nov 2006 18:33 GMT > "_eek_" <eek.GSP@gmail.com> > > < snipped for being posted by someone stupid> > > GET SOME MENTAL HELP There is no help for this kind of idiocy.
I would settle for "eek" finding it's caps key and using some punctuation. But that's just me. :D
Stick Waver - 30 Nov 2006 15:29 GMT > hey nasty(lolz) cybercat(cheasy) you think youre original when you cage > a a semiwild animal in your appartment just for your pleasure?I wish i [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ps2:Oh and whats your culture all about??? Odd... when I leave my door open, my indoor cats will stick their noses out only far enough to smell what's around but will not venture outside. They have no desire to roam as all their needs are met indoors. Cats, above all, like to feel secure and safe and in charge of their domain.
My guys enjoy plenty of fresh air and natural smells/odors, as I open windows and screened patio door for them on a daily basis. They also have entertainment via cat tree, box o' toys, and bird feeder in plain view of said door/windows. They are healthy, happy, cool/warm, clean, free of parasites and the like, affectionate, playful, and non-agressive (though not comotose, as they hunt down bugs on a regular basis and have a penchant for relocating all my towels from rack to floor).
Hardly the symptoms of frustrated, tortured beings.
Matthew - 29 Nov 2006 17:26 GMT "_eek_" <eek.GSP@gmail.com>
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I see your English has improved
Here is some advice Get a life
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_eek_ - 29 Nov 2006 19:27 GMT i love it when people spend 2/3 of their day on internet making e-friends etc and advice others to get a life :D
> "_eek_" <eek....@gmail.com> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <PLONK> Phil P. - 29 Nov 2006 19:10 GMT > In my hometown(countryside) all of my cats(young or old) are roaming > FREE(=YAY! they all can do whatever they like) in my garden [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a thermal bulb.Anyone of my cats who gave birth to kittens(oh who > lovely they are), So, you're also an irresponsible BIB, eh? You not only allow your cats to roam free, you allow your cats to roam free *intact*.
Here's the cure for your stupidity: Take your cats to a vet and ask him to find a good home for them. When the vet asks you why you're giving up your cats, tell him its because you're too stupid to have cats.
Matthew - 29 Nov 2006 19:14 GMT <snipped>
> So, you're also an irresponsible BIB, eh? You not only allow your cats to > roam free, you allow your cats to roam free *intact*. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your > cats, tell him its because you're too stupid to have cats. Well said Get him Phil
_eek_ - 29 Nov 2006 19:24 GMT lolz OMG i know,you cannot understand,thats why.Dont act like your cats are your kids.I can see youre using them as a substitute PS:Youre the irresponsible for having a cat caged in a room,IS THAT SO HARSH TO UNDERSTAND? dont you people know the nature of cat?A cat wants to explore and when the night falls the cat hunts Cats are predators.Stop treating them like theyre teddybears
> > In my hometown(countryside) all of my cats(young or old) are roaming > > FREE(=YAY! they all can do whatever they like) in my garden [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > find a good home for them. When the vet asks you why you're giving up your > cats, tell him its because you're too stupid to have cats. Lynne - 29 Nov 2006 19:25 GMT > lolz > OMG [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the night falls the cat hunts > Cats are predators.Stop treating them like theyre teddybears <moron plonk>
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cybercat - 29 Nov 2006 19:44 GMT >> lolz >> OMG [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <moron plonk> lolz
:D Phil P. - 29 Nov 2006 19:28 GMT > lolz > OMG [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the night falls the cat hunts > Cats are predators.Stop treating them like theyre teddybears Are you British by any chance? Sure sounds like the British mentality.
> > > In my hometown(countryside) all of my cats(young or old) are roaming > > > FREE(=YAY! they all can do whatever they like) in my garden [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > find a good home for them. When the vet asks you why you're giving up your > > cats, tell him its because you're too stupid to have cats. m4816k - 30 Nov 2006 14:50 GMT > lolz > OMG [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the night falls the cat hunts > Cats are predators.Stop treating them like theyre teddybears I agree to a point (but, hey, I'm European so I might be crazy as some here suggest:). The first reason, and the only reason people domesticated cats in the first place (in Ancient Egypt) was to guard their food supplies which were threatened by mice and similar pests who were stealing beans and other food. Nowdays, people don't need cats for that reason (except maybe farmers), so people started acting a little crazy, strange and sometimes eccentric, dressing them up, spoiling them beyond every sense, even adjusting them to vegetarian food(?!). It seems like some are really bored and don't have better things to do, so they're making up silly things to do with their pets. Of course, we live in capitalism so all kinds of money-grabbing companies are convincing us that it's normal to act that way, but limits must be drawn. I'm not talking about anyone here, or trying to insult anyone, but some owners really have issues to resolve with themselves. Call me crazy, but that's my opinion. Sorry for going off topic.
Lynne - 30 Nov 2006 15:05 GMT on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:50:04 GMT, "m4816k" <marijan.kovacevicREMOVE_THIS@os.t-com.hr> wrote:
> I agree to a point (but, hey, I'm European so I might be crazy as some > here suggest:). The first reason, and the only reason people [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > themselves. Call me crazy, but that's my opinion. Sorry for going off > topic. I have 2 indoor cats. I don't equate keeping them indoors with putting clothes on them (something I have never done). The fact of the matter is that in many places it is simply not safe to let cats outdoors. Way too many threats to their safety and health. I happen to feel responsible for keeping my cats safe and healthy, including mentally healthy. This is not hard to do with indoor cats. You just have to interact with them, play with them, give them appropriate toys and furniture along with a healthy, appropriate diet (which means MEAT) and proper vet care. My cats lack nothing by being indoors only.
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cybercat - 30 Nov 2006 15:13 GMT > on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:50:04 GMT, "m4816k" > <marijan.kovacevicREMOVE_THIS@os.t-com.hr> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > appropriate diet (which means MEAT) and proper vet care. My cats lack > nothing by being indoors only. All true. But I am sitting here wondering if Eek or it's good buddy M48 would let their kitten suck on their lip. :)
More love can never be bad. More safety cannot be bad, either, especially when the little acrobats have all the space and toys and attention and company they need to be happy.
Lynne - 30 Nov 2006 15:18 GMT > All true. But I am sitting here wondering if Eek or it's good buddy M48 > would let their kitten suck on their lip. :) HA! Good point. :)
> More love can never be bad. More safety cannot be bad, either, especially > when the little acrobats have all the space and toys and attention and > company > they need to be happy. I think a lot of people get pets and after the initial honeymoon period wears off, they stop loving on them as much... That makes me infinitely sad.
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cybercat - 30 Nov 2006 15:11 GMT >> lolz >> OMG [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > resolve with themselves. Call me crazy, but that's my opinion. Sorry for > going off topic. I don't dress my cats up. I don't try to make them vegetarians. I simply keep them in where they are safe. They have 3000 square feet on three levels in which to play. We don't live in closets here, you know.
It just depends on how much you value your cat's health and safety. It is simply not safe to allow them to roam in urban OR rural areas. Typical Brit thinking that the two extremes are either "Be Fwee Wild Thing," or dressing the cat in a Sunday suit and making him eat cress sandwiches.
Where have all the smart people gone?
Matthew - 30 Nov 2006 17:55 GMT >>> lolz >>> OMG [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Where have all the smart people gone? I asked that everyday when I did interviews for new cashiers at my businesses.
Simple question I would ask If the bill is 16.44 and the person hands you a five than 10 ones and than another 5 how much is their change? Do you want to know how many people got that wrong.
Lynne - 30 Nov 2006 18:09 GMT on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:55:43 GMT, "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote:
> I asked that everyday when I did interviews for new cashiers at my > businesses. > > Simple question I would ask If the bill is 16.44 and the person > hands you a five than 10 ones and than another 5 how much is their > change? Do you want to know how many people got that wrong. all but the one you hired?
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Matthew - 30 Nov 2006 18:51 GMT > on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:55:43 GMT, "Matthew" > <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > all but the one you hired? Actually one of the interview I made her a manager instead of a cashier. She told me something that was music to my ears. The customer change was only .56 bingo That was the true correct answer. Only 3 people all who are management have told me this correct answer. Read the rest below.
I looked at her strange and said why. She said I would have handed back the person 's 3 extra dollars and said you gave me too much. Than I would have rang up the $17 dollars and gave her a receipt of and change $0.56. This one has been with me for years and is never off on her money write ups.
Phil P. - 30 Nov 2006 19:48 GMT > It just depends on how much you value your cat's health and safety. Some people actually believe indoor cats are miserable- its ingrained in their culture. They think its better for their cats to live a short, happy life rather than a long miserable one. ;-/ The risks don't seem to bother them because they have a weak attachment to their cats. That's why they can't understand the concept of a cat being a family member. I classify people like that "low-involvement owners"-- they like having a cat around more than actually having a relationship her.
It is
> simply not safe to allow them to roam in urban OR rural areas. Maybe it was a little safer 40 or 50 years ago- But the time is long gone when we could swing open the door and tell our cats to go have a good time.
Typical
> Brit thinking that the two extremes are either "Be Fwee Wild Thing," > or dressing the cat in a Sunday suit and making him eat cress sandwiches. They're not very big on litter boxes or environmental enrichment either... Its much easier to just swing open the door- and if that's too much trouble they'll intstall a cat flap!
> Where have all the smart people gone? That's why this country was started! To get away from that mentality! lol
cybercat - 01 Dec 2006 00:23 GMT >> Where have all the smart people gone? > > That's why this country was started! To get away from that mentality! lol hahahaha. Phil you are so bad.
Phil P. - 29 Nov 2006 19:22 GMT > Hi group. > > Just got a kitten (Our first cat) She's 7 weeks old. > > I don't know what to do regarding whether to keep her indoors all the time > or let her out. http://maxshouse.com/outdoor_risks.htm
http://maxshouse.com/Healthy+Happy_Indoors.htm
http://maxshouse.com/cat_proofing_your_home.htm
Wendy - 03 Dec 2006 11:27 GMT >> Hi group. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > http://maxshouse.com/cat_proofing_your_home.htm Your web page mentions that it's a myth that cats can return to the wild after being someone's cat. I have to stress this to the max. I just collected a beautiful long-haired black adult male from our local township park the other day. He would stand 24/7 in the vicinity of where people were feeding him. Rain, cold weather, wind whatever, he was in the same spot and wouldn't seek shelter. The gentleman who was feeding him said that when he first noticed the kitty there he was so skinny that you could see his vertebra sticking out. He'd have to have been nigh on emaciated for the bones to be showing on a long-hair. Some idiot dumped this sweet boy in the park probably thinking he'd be able to hunt rodents. The cat was clueless. He fortunately tested negative for FIV FeLV and will be neutered next week. They we'll make sure he has a nice indoor home.
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_eek_ - 01 Dec 2006 11:14 GMT OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is based on the culture of each nation Anyway like the total troll i am heres a question:If you keep a female cat indoors and she wants to get laid, what will you do?Will you let her out to satisfy the basic motive of a female cat which is being a mother or keep her inside horny and angry?Or worse treat her with chemicals or have her castrated(! :'( !)
Stick Waver - 01 Dec 2006 13:57 GMT > OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is > based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > angry?Or worse treat her with chemicals or have her castrated(! :'( > !) TROLL - O - METER
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You got it wrong this is more like for that pathetic loser
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cybercat - 01 Dec 2006 18:44 GMT >> OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is >> based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -------------------------------------- > ^ Nice stick. :)
cybercat - 01 Dec 2006 18:44 GMT > OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is > based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > angry?Or worse treat her with chemicals or have her castrated(! :'( > !) Hello, a.shole! Responsible pet owners never have this experience because they spay before the first heat. Millions upon millions of unwanted cats are killed every week. Anyone with half a f.cking brain or a heart that beats for anything but themselves would never, ever bring more kittens into this world. Hope that helps, you ignorant, arrogant piece of cat-abusing sh.t.
_eek_ - 04 Dec 2006 12:51 GMT hey cybercat,youre like so e-bad! you and your e-friends e-hurt my e-feelings :'( muahahaha As for the muddy culture i have : This will be your future culture when a *cough*"terrorist"*cough* bomb or even better nuke your a.s :D You act like some 13old teen-angst virgin,and your wifebeating husband(???) smells exactly like your brother :D Yall got some moonshine ;)
cheers
Wendy - 03 Dec 2006 11:31 GMT > OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is > based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > angry?Or worse treat her with chemicals or have her castrated(! :'( > !) Last time I looked you castrate males. Females get spayed and yes I get my girls spayed before they ever go into heat. I've fostered enough pregnant cats to know that having kittens in no picnic for the mom.
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Phil P. - 04 Dec 2006 05:14 GMT > > OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is > > based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > W Mating is no tender moment either. Those aren't screams of pleasure!
http://maxshouse.com/Illustrations/phallus_of_tom_cu_barbs.jpg
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Wendy - 04 Dec 2006 11:56 GMT >> > OK guys as said i think that the idea of having a cat in our out is >> > based on the culture of each nation [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://maxshouse.com/Illustrations/Phallus_of_tom_cat%20.jpg Doesn't help that he's usually biting the back of her neck at the time. No wonder she smacks the sh*t out of him if he hangs around afterwards.
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