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A Pox on Thee, Hill's Science Diet!
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Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Apr 2004 18:54 GMT I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food and I spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat that had the closest values to the k/d formula possible. We settled on Senior Savory Cuts Ocean Fish.
I was at PetsMart because they were having a sale on it, but the shelves were empty. I asked if they had any in the back, but the guy said it had been pulled and would be replaced with something else! I asked if that was a PetsMart decision or Hill's, and he said Hill's. He said he remembered there being some and they were so kind to bring some pallets they had packed down from the rafters, almost, and dig out 35 cans of it.
I email Hill's to ask if this was a test market in PetsMart or do I need to raid every store for the any remaining cans, and I explained why. A woman at Hill's actually called me on the phone and said they had stopped production of that variety. There won't be any more. She had a handful of can in her office she said she was going to send to me, and after talking figured I might have enough on hand to figure out a new alternative and use for mix-ins to change her over.
I'm so annoyed I can't even tell you.
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MGW - 17 Apr 2004 19:05 GMT On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:54:09 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote:
>I email Hill's to ask if this was a test market in PetsMart or do I >need to raid every store for the any remaining cans, and I explained >why. A woman at Hill's actually called me on the phone and said they >had stopped production of that variety. There won't be any more. Uh-oh - that's what my cats eat! Did she say why they have stopped production? Is it of all Savory Cuts, or just the Ocean Fish, or just the Senior?
Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Apr 2004 19:53 GMT MGW <mgw1979@hotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>I email Hill's to ask if this was a test market in PetsMart or do >>I need to raid every store for the any remaining cans, and I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stopped production? Is it of all Savory Cuts, or just the Ocean > Fish, or just the Senior? You know, I was only concerned with the senior ocean fish, but she did say they were keeping the chicken. Kami doesn't like the chicken that much, but it might do until we figure this out. What they are replacing it with isn't a "chunks'n'gravy" thing, which is the whole point of it. Honestly, I can't imagine them only discontinuing one formulation of a given variety. It's probably the whole ocean fish line.
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-L. : - 19 Apr 2004 00:40 GMT > On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:54:09 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" > <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > production? Is it of all Savory Cuts, or just the Ocean Fish, or just > the Senior? Waltham makes a more palatable alternative.
-L.
Brandy??Alexandre - 19 Apr 2004 00:46 GMT -L. : <usenetlyn@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> >I email Hill's to ask if this was a test market in PetsMart or >> >do I need to raid every store for the any remaining cans, and I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -L. I've been searching for it. Waltham doesn't have a link to find vets in the area who carry it. I'm having a bit of difficulty.
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Karen Chuplis - 17 Apr 2004 20:26 GMT > I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food and I > spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat that had the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I'm so annoyed I can't even tell you. I hate it when companies do that! It took me two years to find a soft food mine would eat after Nutro changed their chicken casserole recipe.
m. L. Briggs - 17 Apr 2004 20:31 GMT On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:54:09 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote:
>I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food and I >spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat that had the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I'm so annoyed I can't even tell you. Just because your kitty likes it today doesn't mean she won't turn her nose up tomorrow. MLB
Betsy - 18 Apr 2004 00:37 GMT Ain't that the truth. I have been experimenting with premium foods. I've bought 6 oz cans of this & that, and graduated to 13 oz cans when I saw they liked it (they being 11 furballs).
When I was sure they liked it, I bought a case. Guess what happened the next day?
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:54:09 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" > <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Just because your kitty likes it today doesn't mean she won't turn her > nose up tomorrow. MLB PawsForThought - 18 Apr 2004 01:17 GMT >From: m. L. Briggs mlbriggs@nospam.net
>On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:54:09 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" ><brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Just because your kitty likes it today doesn't mean she won't turn her >nose up tomorrow. MLB LMAO! So true. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
PawsForThought - 18 Apr 2004 01:16 GMT >From: "Brandy Alexandre" brandy@kamikaze.orgy
>A woman at Hill's actually called me on the phone and said they >had stopped production of that variety. There won't be any more. That's why it's always a really good idea to feed your cat a varied diet. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm
eodemolay - 18 Apr 2004 04:16 GMT > I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food and I > spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat that had the > closest values to the k/d formula possible. We settled on Senior > Savory Cuts Ocean Fish. A couple of suggestions. First I would try the canned k/d again. It is quite possible the cat will accept it now that it has gotten used to the lower salt content of the former food. Second I would try canned feline g/d, it is far closer to k/d than the Savory Cuts Ocean Fish product. Third I would try some of the dry k/d and g/d. For some reason cats like the dry products more than the canned versions. If that works, gradually add water over time to the kibble until she is used to it.
Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Apr 2004 04:33 GMT eodemolay <eodemolay@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food >> and I spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > canned versions. If that works, gradually add water over time to > the kibble until she is used to it. Kami has the dry k/d available. She would never eat it as her main diet. She generally detests dry food. She only snacks on it at night. Trust me; I hear her. ;) Plus, I find rejected kibble within a five foot radius from her dish. She seemed to like the newer minced chicken variety of the k/d, but the problem is that she licks her wet food to the sides of the bowl and then can't get at it.
I think her preference for the Ocean fish is because it's nice and stinky. The chicken isn't. If there were some smelly mix-ins I could add it would probably work. I have often wondered about clam juice. Anyone know if cats can have it?
I swear, she's worse than Morris. The pickiest eater I've ever seen in my life.
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Karen Chuplis - 18 Apr 2004 05:18 GMT > eodemolay <eodemolay@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I swear, she's worse than Morris. The pickiest eater I've ever seen in > my life. Have you tried warming it a bit so it is stinkier?
Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Apr 2004 05:25 GMT Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Have you tried warming it a bit so it is stinkier? No, I can't say that I have. Worth a shot. :)
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Kaylea - 18 Apr 2004 05:58 GMT > eodemolay <eodemolay@cox.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I swear, she's worse than Morris. The pickiest eater I've ever seen in > my life. Have you tried using cod liver oil or fish oil capsules. Most of the fish oil capsule supplements can be cut open and added to cat food. Some of them are pretty stinky after they are opened.
Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Apr 2004 05:59 GMT Kaylea <klea911@nospamswbell.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Have you tried using cod liver oil or fish oil capsules. Most of > the fish oil capsule supplements can be cut open and added to cat > food. Some of them are pretty stinky after they are opened. There's an idea. I'll have to ask a vet if it's okay for her.
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Laura R. - 25 Apr 2004 06:10 GMT circa Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:33:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> She seemed to like the newer minced chicken > variety of the k/d, but the problem is that she licks her wet food to > the sides of the bowl and then can't get at it. Put it on a plate. It works for Jacob.
Laura
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Mary - 25 Apr 2004 06:31 GMT > circa Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:33:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Brandy Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > Put it on a plate. It works for Jacob. Works for Cheeks too until she licks it off the side of the plate and then pretends like it went away forever.
MaryL - 25 Apr 2004 12:05 GMT > > circa Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:33:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > > Brandy Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Works for Cheeks too until she licks it off the side of the plate and then > pretends like it went away forever. I bought oval bowls with sloping sides instead of the "straight up" sides found on many bowls. They are also very shallow bowls. This worked for mine, and they also will leave a lot at the edges if I use some other bowls. The ones I got are available at PetSmart and Target (cheaper than PetSmart). They are white with a blue design -- picture of a cat in the center of the bowl, fish around the sides, and a checkerboard-design around the bop edge. A plate with a sloped "lip" also works.
MaryL
Brandy??Alexandre - 25 Apr 2004 16:22 GMT MaryL <carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> > circa Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:33:02 GMT, in >> > rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy Alexandre [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MaryL My bowls are more flared and wide (I think they're Tiara, but not sure) because Kami doesn't like sticking her face down in anything unless it's for ice cream or something. :) Doesn't like it to touch her whiskers. So a plate probably wouldn't work much better.
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Laura R. - 25 Apr 2004 18:39 GMT circa Sun, 25 Apr 2004 15:22:37 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> My bowls are more flared and wide (I think they're Tiara, but not sure) > because Kami doesn't like sticking her face down in anything unless > it's for ice cream or something. :) Doesn't like it to touch her > whiskers. So a plate probably wouldn't work much better. The reason I put Jacob's food on a plate is for the very reason you outline. Try it. You might be surprised. Use a dinner plate, and put the food right in the center.
Laura
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Mary - 25 Apr 2004 16:44 GMT > I bought oval bowls with sloping sides instead of the "straight up" sides found on many bowls. They are also very shallow bowls. This worked for mine, and they also will leave a lot at the edges if I use some other bowls.
> The ones I got are available at PetSmart and Target (cheaper than PetSmart). They are white with a blue design -- picture of a cat in the center of the
> bowl, fish around the sides, and a checkerboard-design around the bop edge. Ha! I have the round one with the cat in the center inside the bowl, and I'm using it for water! I'll switch it around. I also have the oval one with a fish skeleton inside. I use that for Cheeky's dry food.
> A plate with a sloped "lip" also works. > > MaryL Laura R. - 25 Apr 2004 18:39 GMT circa Sun, 25 Apr 2004 06:05:51 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said,
> A plate with a sloped "lip" also works. Yes, my plates are not "flat"; they are sloped. I leave lots of room on the edges around the food, and Jacob has no problem that way.
Laura
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Cheryl - 25 Apr 2004 22:01 GMT > I bought oval bowls with sloping sides instead of the "straight up" sides > found on many bowls. They are also very shallow bowls. I bought this kind for the small amount of dry food Shadow gets. It *looks* like it is more than it is, and that is mostly for me so I don't feel like I'm giving him so little. ;)
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soft - 25 Apr 2004 21:27 GMT >circa Sun, 18 Apr 2004 03:33:02 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, >Brandy Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Laura That is what I do as well. I use the plates that go with the tea cups. The lick them clean. Karryl
Lotte - 18 Apr 2004 06:13 GMT Brandy, I feel your pain. I have an older cat with food allergies, and it took me years and years to finally get her settled into a food she could tolerate (Waltham's novel protein Venison) -- discovered last month that they're going to stop making it. That's why I'm now thinking of just making my own food...(see raw feeding thread)....
M9
> I'm so upset. Kami won't eat the Hill's k/d prescription food and I > spent a lot of time and money finding a food she would eat that had the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > --- > Why are people with closed minds first to open their mouths? Fuga :o\) - 18 Apr 2004 21:47 GMT did you try the minced chicken k/d?
the purina renal food diet is quite savory for some cats..
also waltham has one out that my cat goes crazy for... see if you can track down those pounches..
fuga
taodave - 19 Apr 2004 12:39 GMT In article <MPBgc.193419$SQE.41904@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> did you try the minced chicken k/d? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > fuga I agree about the minced chicken k/d. My kitty wouldn't touch the original canned k/d formulation.
taodave
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