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Cat Won't Finish the Job-! YECHHH-!
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bz - 28 Oct 2006 15:28 GMT The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current on shots. At last check, no intestinal problems.
The Problem: will NOT cover her stool in her litter box.
After she defecates, she will simply glance at the [stuff] and bolt. I have tried every brand of litter; we keep the box clean and adequately filled. It's in a secluded place (but the odor finds us).
I have observed Wanda doing her bidness in the flower bed; she exhibits the same behavior. The offal is left alone.
We want to lure her back to the indoors for the winter but don't relish the task of servicing her fetid litter box every time she poops. (Our previous cats were quite fastidious.) Can she be trained to stay and bury her turds-? Is she trying, in her subtle feline way, to tell us something-?
Stepping outside for a breath of air, I thank you in advance.
Buzzy
Grawun - 28 Oct 2006 15:51 GMT My cat also does not cover up her poops. She scratches in the litter but doesn't seem to know what the purpose of that is. It is incentive for me to keep the box very clean.
> The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, > healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Buzzy William Hamblen - 28 Oct 2006 16:46 GMT > The Problem: will NOT cover her stool in her litter box. I don't think you can train a cat to cover her feces. Some do it and others don't. A former coworker once had two cats. One was a coverer and one wasn't. The cat that was a coverer would also do that chore for the other cat.
The answer is to be ready with the scoop. You need to scoop whether or not they bury scat.
Bud
cybercat - 28 Oct 2006 17:00 GMT >> The Problem: will NOT cover her stool in her litter box. > > I don't think you can train a cat to cover her feces. Bet you haven't tried.
jmc - 29 Oct 2006 11:55 GMT Suddenly, without warning, William Hamblen exclaimed (29-Oct-06 1:16 AM):
>> The Problem: will NOT cover her stool in her litter box. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bud I successfully taught my cat to cover when she was a kitten, and sometimes wish I hadn't. She went from never covering to being and obsessive digger - and often we'd end up with this huge mountain of litter, with her poo sitting unburied on top.
Now she's smarter and more practiced. If we're home, she doesn't cover. When we're not home, she covers. It's only been in the last year that she's actually figured out to properly cover - she's 10 now.
jmc
cybercat - 28 Oct 2006 16:53 GMT > Stepping outside for a breath of air, I thank you in advance. I had a cat that did this. Every time I discovered a stinky offering, I found her, picked her up lovingly, talking softly to her and petting her, put her in her box, took her little paws and covered the mess witht them while praising her.
I think I did this three times before she started doing it herself.
Every now and then she might lapse--maybe four times over her 20-year life--and I would do it again, and she would begin covering it.
I do not think it was the positive reinforcement--I think she actually hated being picked up and taken to her box. She hated being picked up anyway.
I was loving and gentle and praising to be sure I did not give her an aversion to the litter box altogether.
FWIW, she was NOT a bright cat. I am not being unkind; I knew her. So your girl should respond.
bz - 28 Oct 2006 21:09 GMT > > Stepping outside for a breath of air, I thank you in advance. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > FWIW, she was NOT a bright cat. I am not being unkind; I > knew her. So your girl should respond. HAR-!
I tried the Teaching by Example Method. She knew something was up when I gently plucked her from her spot under the crepe myrtle, and she began contorting in my arms as I approached the Litter Box Site indoors. Suddenly, I was holding a bundle of prickly pear cactus. I let her go. Disappointed, I scooped the poop for a minute.
I guess I'll wait until she's hungry and associate a food treat with some litter excavation & cover practice. I know I am getting very good at it.
What is it about cats-?? She's completely useless (never caught a rodent) and has hairballed the good couch countless times. But--when I'm stretched out watching the tube, she'll hop up there and nest on my stomach, purring, giving me the happy eye. If I pet her just right, Wanda will crawl towards my face and give me a "muzzle kiss."
At that moment, the smelly crap is forgotten. Nearly.
cybercat - 28 Oct 2006 21:27 GMT > HAR-! > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Suddenly, I was holding a bundle of prickly pear cactus. I let her go. > Disappointed, I scooped the poop for a minute. Aww, I'm sorry. I guess Wanda is a bit wilder than my kitty was. ;)
> I guess I'll wait until she's hungry and associate a food treat with > some litter excavation & cover practice. I know I am getting very good [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > At that moment, the smelly crap is forgotten. Nearly. You're a goner. I am afraid Wanda, smelly poops and all, has you in her kitty spell. There are worse things!
Edna Pearl - 28 Oct 2006 23:01 GMT >> HAR-! >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > You're a goner. I am afraid Wanda, smelly poops and all, has you > in her kitty spell. There are worse things! Cybercat is doing about what a mama cat does to train her kits to cover! I suspect that at least some cats who don't cover haven't had adequate mothering.
I had some luck with teaching one of my cats to cover as cybercat describes. She was the type who would paw the floor next to the box, like she knew she was supposed to do *something* but didn't fully understand how to operate a litterbox. So I showed her.
Another cat, however (who definitely had not spent enough time with her mother before being dumped), responded differently from my efforts to teach her to cover. She responded to the praise in the litter box as if the litter box itself was the source of good, as opposed to the covering behavior being good. So, f'rinstance, if she got in trouble for something, she'd run to the litterbox and lie down in it. I gave up. This poor girl doesn't even point the right way most of the time when she uses the box -- she stands on the edge and it's a toss-up whether she'll point in or out. I spread paper around the box and I love her anyway :-)
ep
Magic Mood Jeep© - 29 Oct 2006 00:23 GMT >>> HAR-! >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > cover! I suspect that at least some cats who don't cover haven't had > adequate mothering. Hate to shoot you out of the water here (OK, I don't hate it :D), but I have a hand-raised (abandoned by a feral mama when he was about 24 hours old) that *told* me when he was ready for a litterbox by peein in the corner of his nest-box (his eyes were barely open), and when I gave him an itty-bitty box, he dug in it like there was no tomorrow (scattering litter all over the place)! I *never* showed him how, just put him in it! The next morning, there were 3 places of pee, and 2 turds (unfortunately, there wasn't enough litter in that itty0bitty box to cover them)!
Now, he buries poo - sometimes other cat's poo if he finds it offensive when he goes into the litterbox to use it.
> I had some luck with teaching one of my cats to cover as cybercat > describes. She was the type who would paw the floor next to the box, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the box and I love her anyway :-) > ep mlbriggs - 28 Oct 2006 23:50 GMT > The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, > healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Buzzy Just a couple of thoughts: Feed her a higher quality food that won't stink as much coming out. Also be sure the litter pan is in a low traffic area so she won't feel the need to exit so fast. When I first had TuTu she would run like the wind leaving the box. Now she knows she is safe and she takes her time coving up the deposit. Good luck. MLB
Rhonda - 29 Oct 2006 00:07 GMT Do you have a covered litter box? That might cut down on the smell.
If you don't scoop it right away, you can have a cup of litter close by and just dump it on top.
I think some cats do this as a dominance thing. We had a cat who would scoop under the pile until he had his stinky stuff resting on a higher mound of litter. I think he was proud, and making a little shrine.
Rhonda
> The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, > healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Buzzy bz - 29 Oct 2006 01:13 GMT > Do you have a covered litter box? That might cut down on the smell. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > > > Buzzy I had no idea there were so many non-poop coverers among the cats out there. Interesting.
I have to tell a story. Our long-gone (and sorely missed) B+W tabby, Luckee, was a smart critter who spent 5, 10 minutes or more concealing every molecule of her crap. She would pause, examine it, keep at it. Very thorough. She was a rescued cat whose tail got broken & skinned about halfway when she climbed under the hood of my mom's car. Lost a couple of teeth, too. Millions of dollars later, she was our pet, and she seemed grateful. Luckee had 50% of her tail, which got attention.
Anyway, once we had a family emergency--had to leave town fast for about four days--no time to board her. I fixed up a habitat in our utility room, leaving plenty of water, food, toys, etc. Lastly, I filled a giant cardboard litter box.
Upon returning, we opened the door to find Luckee contentedly sleeping on her pad. Of course, the box odor was sharp, and it seemed to emanate from someplace high. To my amazement, I discovered that I had [apparently] placed the box on a shelf around four feet high, with about 3-4 inches of overhang, in my haste to get the habitat ready.
Incredibly, the cat had made her way up there every time Nature called, and carefully shat. What a cat-! A damned rottweiler killed her about six years ago, and I have had my 8mm Mauser in the hall closet since then in case he returns.
I have told this [true!] story to Wanda repeatedly, but she hasn't gotten the point. She just slowly blinks.
Spot - 29 Oct 2006 12:57 GMT I don't think there is a way to teach her to do it. If it's a real problem to keep it scooped you might want to invest in a self cleaning litter box.
Celeste
> The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, > healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Buzzy Robert Bodling - 29 Oct 2006 15:44 GMT That's a good question, my little Princess will burry her poop, but for some apparent reason she likes to scratch the dirt so much, she continues to get about as much dirt outside the box as there is still inside, why? The there has been some times, I've seen her scratching in the dirt she has kicked out of the box, as if there wasn't enough inside, why did she rake it out?
>I don't think there is a way to teach her to do it. If it's a real problem >to keep it scooped you might want to invest in a self cleaning litter box. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> Buzzy cybercat - 29 Oct 2006 15:47 GMT > That's a good question, my little Princess will burry her poop, but for > some apparent reason she likes to scratch the dirt so much, she continues > to get about as much dirt outside the box as there is still inside, why? > The there has been some times, I've seen her scratching in the dirt she > has kicked out of the box, as if there wasn't enough inside, why did she > rake it out? It is my understanding that they bury their scat in the wild to hide their scent so that they do not attract predators. So those who overbury may just be trying to be on the safe side. The scratchin outside the box--think of it more as a reflex than a thought-out action. She is just being through, just making sure, for safety's sake.
---MIKE--- - 29 Oct 2006 17:19 GMT Sometimes Tiger covers the poop and sometimes he doesn't. Amber on the other hand overdoes it. She covers and covers and litter goes all over the place.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') arhooley - 29 Oct 2006 18:00 GMT The cat won. Cute guy, a year old, used the box but wouldn't cover up his gross-smelling feces. I tried putting him back in the box and using his own paws to cover it up numerous times, but he considered this a tiresome exercise. Why does the Friendly Monster do this to me?
Finally, I had to give up the litter box entirely, prop a window open so he could come and go, and let him use the Great Outdoors. When the weather was cold and the windows were closed, he was very good about running to the door and telling me he needed a bathroom break. Amazing the way he learned to do that but could never figure out the covering his poo in the litterbox thing.
If your residential situation allows you the Great Outdoor solution, I think that's it, or you'll just have to spend the next 10 years "flushing the toilet" so to speak for your cat.
Isn't cat ownership grand?
Ryan Robbins - 29 Oct 2006 20:15 GMT > If your residential situation allows you the Great Outdoor solution, I > think that's it, or you'll just have to spend the next 10 years > "flushing the toilet" so to speak for your cat. Troll.
Don't take this poor advice.
PawsForThought - 29 Oct 2006 21:22 GMT > The Problem: will NOT cover her stool in her litter box. Sorry, but I don't see this as much of a problem. Just scoop it out and don't worry about it. Some cats are just not buriers. Just be happy she's using the box, I say.
meeee - 30 Oct 2006 03:04 GMT yep; i have two who do this. sometimes my more finicky cats will look at her in well mannered disgust and cover it for her. But mostly I just fix it myself. welcome to the wonderful world of cats!!
> The Cat: Wanda the 4-5 yr old female tabby, 4-5 lbs, N Texas area, > healthy and smart; prefers outdoors. Regularly checked at vet & current [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Buzzy
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