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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2006Info on non-surgical sterilization drugs for cats and dogs
The drugs discussed in this website could have huge impact in poor countries and would be great to use in feral populations here in the US. They aren't perfect, so more research is needed to improve such drugs. http://www.acc-d.org/ -L. ====== > The drugs discussed in this website could have huge impact in poor ...They aren't perfect, so more research is needed to improve such > drugs. > > http://www.acc-d.org/ > > -L. I had that idea once, remember? the morning after pill? or... may as well bring this up.. it's not an interesting question but suppose someones cat gets pregnant, can they take the cat and have the would be kittens aborted? You know someones cat has gotten pregnant, but the owners did not want the kittens...? And sure Jupiter got out a couple of times recently, it happened to be times that she was not in heat, so she's not pregnant. How would you feel about a cat abortion? It's almost crazy... we stand up for animal rights of course being responsible... we spay and neuter our pets... to hell with any bitch wanting to have kittens.. she doesn't want to have kittens.. no more than she desires to carry a load... thing is... if we spay then that's no more obtrusive than an abortion it's a drop in the bucket yes! but, cat abortions procedures would lend to the over-population solution. simple. has cat abortions been done before? > ====== > > The drugs discussed in this website could have huge impact in poor [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I had that idea once, remember? the morning after pill? This is permanent sterilization in one dose. > or... may as well bring this up.. it's not an interesting question > but suppose someones cat gets pregnant, can they take the cat > and have the would be kittens aborted? Yes, it is done all the time. >You know someones cat > has gotten pregnant, but the owners did not want the kittens...? > > And sure Jupiter got out a couple of times recently, it happened to be > times > that she was not in heat, so she's not pregnant. Get her spayed. Now! > How would you feel about a cat abortion? I have no qualms about it whatsoever and have participated in numerous pregnant cat spays. It is best done early, as it is a bit harder on the queen. The only problem I had was wehn some dimwit wanted her "days from delivring" cat spayed and then wanted us to "save the kittens!" What an idiot. > It's almost crazy... we stand up for animal rights > of course being responsible... we spay and neuter our pets... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > it's a drop in the bucket yes! but, cat abortions procedures would > lend to the over-population solution. simple. They are done all the time. > has cat abortions been done before? They are done all the time. -L. >> or... may as well bring this up.. it's not an interesting question >> but suppose someones cat gets pregnant, can they take the cat >> and have the would be kittens aborted? > >Yes, it is done all the time. I know a person the volunteers in a spray and meuter clinic and she says that they often get pregnant cats in there and they just abort the kittens then spay the cat. I was going to volunteer there until I found this out. I do not think I could be part of that. > I was going to volunteer there until I found this out. I do not think > I could be part of that. is it a large shelter? just curios. you don't have to be in there when the procedure is taking place you could help with the recovering patients see I wouldnt' let that stop me > >> or... may as well bring this up.. it's not an interesting question > >> but suppose someones cat gets pregnant, can they take the cat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I was going to volunteer there until I found this out. I do not think > I could be part of that. <eyeball roll> Go to a kill shelter where you will see barrels full of dead cats euthanized daily for lack of homes. Then come back and tell me which is worse - living, not being loved and dying a cold and lonley death at a shelter, or never having been born at all. The answer is black and white. -L. > thing is... if we spay then that's no more obtrusive than an abortion > it's a drop in the bucket yes! but, cat abortions procedures would > lend to the over-population solution. simple. > > has cat abortions been done before? I should clarify - it is an abortive spay. To my knowledge there is no way to abort a pregnancy other than during a spay. The technology/drugs may exist but I have never seen them used. -L. > I should clarify - it is an abortive spay. To my knowledge there is no > way to abort a pregnancy other than during a spay. The > technology/drugs may exist but I have never seen them used. > > -L. Thanks I figured it had come up before so it's an abortive spay "save the kittens?" lol us higher ups need those dumbasses, else we wouldn't feel so damn smart lol just kidding Just got up, and im up what a fella to do! well.. bout Jupiter, I am looking forward to getting the extra cash it's coming, it's going to come real good I've been behaving and saving see so, it won't be long i figured a way to keep her in when im coming and going i have 2 inner doors, i realized if I open both those inner door... they almost touch (in essense, once the two inner doors are open) it creates a small foyer at the entrance I use most. so ill fiddle with it and create some small latch to keep those two TOGETHER... when I am fixing to leave.. thsi way when I come back with a load of say firewood she won't bolt on me cause IM IN CHARGE, IM THE MAN, I CALL THE SHOTS lol, remember bush was quoted saying that?, so funny IM THE MAN! :o I CALL THE SHOTS :O lmao <snippy> > well.. bout Jupiter, I am looking forward to getting the extra cash > it's coming, it's going to come real good > > I've been behaving and saving see > so, it won't be long Do you have a low-cost S/N clinic in your neighborhood or a shelter that you can call to see if you can get help in getting her spayed? I would think that a town your size would have *something*. As a last resort - ask your vet. Sometimes they will do it at cost of the need is real. -L. > Do you have a low-cost S/N clinic in your neighborhood or a shelter > that you can call to see if you can get help in getting her spayed? I > would think that a town your size would have *something*. As a last > resort - ask your vet. Sometimes they will do it at cost of the need > is real. yes we have a low cost s/n routine around here you rendevous at the walmart, I would leave jupiter on a vet/bus/camper or something. they take them to roanoke.. do the work.. then bring them back on sunday morning. she would have to stay overnight. total cost $45 includes pain med. to be honest? I set it up, i was scheduled to arrive, this has been several months ago. i slam forgot. it's not pretty to tell.. but I did, i totally forgot. <sigh> about "Krazy" (op)... lets be adults here, there are many colleges and schools that will buy a dead cat for $3 per cat. the cat can't be over so many pounds.. but that's the only requirement. The shelter freezes the animal, till the school comes and picks them up. yes i know, it sounds gruesome, but the schools study imo is well worth the maturity needed to carry out this sort of action it's about medicine, and learning what do you think about that program? > yes we have a low cost s/n routine around here > you rendevous at the walmart, I would leave jupiter on a vet/bus/camper [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > i slam forgot. it's not pretty to tell.. but I did, i totally forgot. > <sigh> That's bad. > about "Krazy" (op)... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The shelter freezes the animal, till the school comes and picks them > up. I have never heard of that. The cats we dissected were embalmed and cost about $50 each in 1981-85. They have their veins and arteries injected with different colors of latex so that when you dissect them, you can tell which is which. Necropsy on a dead, non-embalmed cat would be useless to anyone who didn't already have a significant grasp of feline anatomy. > yes i know, it sounds gruesome, but the schools study imo is well worth > the maturity needed to carry out this sort of action I didn't learn anything from dissecting cats (or fetal pigs or human hands) that I couldn't have learned from a model, books and videos. I didn't have to stick my face in stinky dead things to memorize the parts. I believe medical students should dissect whole dead people, but for anyone else, dissection is a waste of time and animals. The school where I went to undergrad also experimented on living dogs (vivisection) which were purchased from a class-B animal dealer. http://www.hsus.org/animals_in_research/general_information_on_animal_research/c lass_b_dealer_down_and_out.html It was one of the sickest practices I have witnessed personally. Ironically I worked for the biology department, so I saw the dogs in the cages for the few weeks we had them, stacked on top of each other. It is a sight ingrained in my mind. I also was the one who unpacked and put away the dead cats when they arrived. > it's about medicine, and learning > > what do you think about that program? See above. -L. > See above. > > -L. Im certain I don't know the half I understand your views on this I think there's nothing like the real thing when it comes to health and education > > See above. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I think there's nothing like the real thing when it comes to health and > education Let me just put it this way - dissection left a lasting impression on me, and not in a good way. I resented having to do it my entire life when I realized what a waste it was for the animals. There wasn't a single thing I learned that I couldn't have achieved through other means, and my memories of those courses and the information I learned would be so much more pleasant than they are today, had I not been foreced to do dissection. You do not have to look at the greater omentum in person, to get an idea of how repulsive it truly is: http://www.nvcc.edu/home/lmiller/atlas/Digestive%20System/Digestive%20index.html #picture_index -L. > > > See above. > > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Let me just put it this way - dissection left a lasting impression on > me, and not in a good way... this might have something to do with you licking the soap dish Lyn, just an idea just kidding, yes, I hear ya, and I sure am sorry, hind sight is 20/20 HEY! maybe you should sue them in a court of law.. heh? heh? im sure you're not the only one, could be a class action tip is this why you lean over the sink and lick the soap dish? didn't you get caught at someones house licking their soap dish?... how'd you get out of that one? the one thing that scarred me (wish I hadn't seen it).. "THE WICKER MAN" lmao, Im serious! WHAT A SHOCKER damn that was rough. "ooooh my legs"... "iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii" I shall never forget |
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