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Tom D. - 15 Apr 2004 01:48 GMT
We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
outside, but they usually don't go far or stay out for too long.
This past Friday we let the female outside and after being out for
about 20 minutes we checked outside to see if she wanted to come back
in. When she started walking toward us she was staggering all over the
place and it seemed like she couldn't support her weight. She made it
inside and collapsed on the floor, took a few breaths and expired
right in front of us !  I can tell you that was the most upsetting
experience I've ever had. Needless to say my wife and I are
heartbroken. We called our vet and brought her in for an autopsy, but
won't have the results for about a week.
Has anyone ever had this happen ? Any ideas on what could have
happened ? What are the chances that the autopsy will actually show
something ? Sorry for the long post and all the questions, but we
really are broken up over this and knowing why would help alot. Thanks
for your replies.
- Tom D. -
Sherry - 15 Apr 2004 01:54 GMT
>We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
>Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
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>for your replies.
>- Tom D. -

I'm very sorry about your loss. I think the chances are very good that the
necropsy will give you some insight.

Sherry
MacCandace - 15 Apr 2004 02:34 GMT
I'm very sorry about your Amy.  I guess there isn't much one can say other than
she apparently didn't suffer and felt well right up until she died.  My
condolences.

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Hailey - 15 Apr 2004 04:03 GMT
We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
> >Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
> >outside, but they usually don't go far or stay out for too long.
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> >for your replies.
> >- Tom D. -

So very sorry for you all, Tom.  No ideas, but you have our purrs.

Hailey
Cheryl - 15 Apr 2004 02:00 GMT
> We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
> Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> for your replies.
> - Tom D. -

Tom, I'm so sorry for you and your wife. Based on the description of her
death, they'll probably look for something toxic but I'm really not sure
what they look for in cats. If she didn't look like she had broken bones
from being hit by a car, or bleeding from an attack of some sort, I'd
suspect poisoning even if it is something as seemingly innocent as
pesticides or fertilizer, or even eating a poisoned mouse. Again, my
condolences on your loss.

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MGW - 15 Apr 2004 02:17 GMT
I'm so sorry for your loss!
m. L. Briggs - 15 Apr 2004 04:02 GMT
>We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
>Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
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>for your replies.
>- Tom D. -
Sincere sympathy in the loss of your pet.  It is never easy.
Simon Fitzpatrick - 15 Apr 2004 09:18 GMT
> We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
> Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> for your replies.
> - Tom D. -
For a reasonably old cat I would guess kidney failure from your description.
My Siamese Mu went into a coma from it at 18 and pretty much the same
symptoms.  For what it is worth, there is nothing you can do about the fact
that cats and people get old.
Simon.
kaeli - 15 Apr 2004 16:10 GMT
> We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
> Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> for your replies.
> - Tom D. -

So sorry to hear about Amy...
There are lots of things that a cat who goes outside can get into. Could
have been hit by a car, kicked by a mean person, ate poison or poisoned
prey, or any number of things. It also could have been a natural death
due to organ failure (kidney failure, heart attack...).
The necropsy should help give you some closure, though.

My condolences.

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Annie Wxill - 15 Apr 2004 18:08 GMT
...When she started walking toward us she was staggering all over the
> place and it seemed like she couldn't support her weight. She made it
> inside and collapsed on the floor, took a few breaths and expired
> right in front of us ! ..> Has anyone ever had this happen ? Any ideas on
what could have
> happened ? ..
> - Tom D. -
Condolences on the loss of your cat. I'm sure it was a terrible shock.  I
hope the necropsy can give you the answer you seek, but, of course, your
healing will take some time.
In answer to your question, I can think of several things that could have
happened.  The first that comes to mind is that Amy chewed on a toxic plant
or was exposed to some kind of chemical or substance, such as antifreeze or
rodent poison.  However, it could also have been the result of heartworms,
which are contracted from mosquito bites. When the heartworm dies, it
releases a toxic that can cause an apparently healthy cat to suddenly die
just like that.
Amy could have had an undiagnosed heart problem and thrown a blood clot.
She could have had an allergic reaction to a bee sting or a spider bite.
How do your next-door neighbors feel about your cats?
Many years ago, my parents had a similar situation with a young cat and
discovered that she died from insufficient taurine in her food.  Since then,
commercial food companies have increased the taurine in the food, so, if you
are feeding her commercial cat food, taurine deficiency would not be likely.
You didn't ask for advice, but I will say that just in case there is an
undetermined hazard in your yard, you probably should accompany Max when he
goes outside, at least until you get the results of the necropsy.
And please take care of yourself and give Max and extra hug.
Annie
Tom D. - 15 Apr 2004 22:45 GMT
Thanks so much to all who replied to my message. I feel better that
there are people out there that care.

There were alot of good suggestions, but I guess I won't really know
until the Autopsy (necropsy ?) is done. Thanks again for all the good
wishes. Hope you and your kitties all remain well :-).

- Tom D. -
Karen - 15 Apr 2004 22:50 GMT
> Thanks so much to all who replied to my message. I feel better that
> there are people out there that care.
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>
> - Tom D. -

Will you let us know? Purrs to you all to feel better.

Karen
Laura R. - 16 Apr 2004 01:21 GMT
circa Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:45:33 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Tom D. (delo724@yahoo.com) said,
> Thanks so much to all who replied to my message. I feel better that
> there are people out there that care.
>
> There were alot of good suggestions, but I guess I won't really know
> until the Autopsy (necropsy ?) is done. Thanks again for all the good
> wishes. Hope you and your kitties all remain well :-).

I'm sorry for your loss. If you can bring yourself to do it, posting
the results of the autopsy (same as necropsy) might help somebody
else in the future.

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Cat Protector - 16 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT
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> We have 2 cats - a male bicolor and a female calico  (Max & Amy) .The
> Male is 12 years old and the female was 13. Both  cats enjoy going
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> for your replies.
> - Tom D. -
Tom D. - 16 Apr 2004 03:10 GMT
Yes, I will post the autopsy results for sure. If I can help just one
person through their loss it will be worth it !! Thanks again to
everyone - I'm overwhelmed by all of the kind responses !!
- Tom D. -
Liz - 16 Apr 2004 21:58 GMT
> Yes, I will post the autopsy results for sure. If I can help just one
> person through their loss it will be worth it !! Thanks again to
> everyone - I'm overwhelmed by all of the kind responses !!
> - Tom D. -

Tom, I´m very sorry for your loss. I´ve lost two cats like that hit by
cars. One died instantly (the guard who watches our street saw him
being hit and told me) and the other one was just like yours. I only
knew she was hit by a car because the lady who hit her was kind enough
to stop, call me (guard told her who the owner might be) and offer to
pay for vet expenses. Really very sorry.
Tom D. - 17 Apr 2004 01:08 GMT
Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
very touching and much appreciated.
Anyway , the new evidence I referred to in the Subject is that I found
a Paint Ball in my yard  near the garden where Amy hung out the night
that she died. Today I saw the next door neighbors outside shooting a
Paint Ball gun. At one point one of them aimed it at their dog but one
of the others stopped him from shooting it. Naturally, I'm very
suspicious, but I don't know if the autopsy will prove this or not.
Anyone know what steps I can take in a case like this ?

Thanks for your concern, Tom D.
Karen Chuplis - 17 Apr 2004 01:37 GMT
> Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
> haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks for your concern, Tom D.

Well, I guess you will have to wait for the necropsy results. If there is
contusion damage, I suppose it's a possibility. Would she not have had paint
on her though? You *could* just ask them if they saw anything unusual.

karen
Tom D. - 22 Apr 2004 02:02 GMT
Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
replied to my post - sorry it started a conflict. I never approached
the neighbor about the paintball issues so there was no harm done
there. I'm still a little nevous about it though.

- Tom D. -
Brandy??Alexandre - 22 Apr 2004 02:13 GMT
Tom D. <delo724@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
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>
> - Tom D. -

I'm sorry about the conflict.  I thought it would guarantee you
wouldn't return with the results given all the lame attempts at
mindreading and accusations based on the presumptions, etc.  I hope you
feel a little bit better about it knowing it wasn't anything you did
and probably nothing you could have done about it.  

As for your neighbor, the second you see him fire "a harmless little
paintball" anywhere in the direction of man or beat that did not
volunteer to be in on the game, please call your local police.

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Karen Chuplis - 22 Apr 2004 02:14 GMT
> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
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>
> - Tom D. -

It must be a comfort both to know what happened and to know it was just her
time. At 13 that is not a bad age. You might consider getting her brother
checked, just in case. There may be medications to help keep it at bay if he
has inherited the problem. My mother gives her 15 y.o. heart pills now. Some
kind of enzyme blocker so that her system works a little easier. Good luck
and thanks for letting us know.

Karen
Annie Wxill - 22 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT
> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. ...
> - Tom D. -

Thanks for the update.  I hope the results bring you some peace.
Annie
Cathy Friedmann - 22 Apr 2004 02:32 GMT
I'm glad that you now have a definitive answer.  Having no known reason
behind a tragedy is a poor scenario; knowing for sure what the cause was
helps, I think.

Cathy

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> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
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>
> - Tom D. -
IBen Getiner - 22 Apr 2004 10:56 GMT
> I'm glad that you now have a definitive answer.  Having no known reason
> behind a tragedy is a poor scenario; knowing for sure what the cause was
> helps, I think.
>
> Cathy

Yeah, so let's all go and help him NURTURE one.

                              IBen G.
IBen Getiner - 22 Apr 2004 10:53 GMT
> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> - Tom D. -

HAHH..!! See..? Your fear-based hate and unwarranted distrust of your
fellow man almost got you into a whole lot of trouble. If you came
over to MY house and accused MY kids of doing that, I'd make SURE you
really got something to complain about.
And you say "no harm done"..? What about the harm this kind of thing
does to your own conscience? You need to get down on your knees,
buddy. You got more issues than meets the rec.pets.cats.health+behav
eye. That's for damned sure.
I knew you were a nut from the minute I read your stupid post.

                            IBen G.
Brandy??Alexandre - 22 Apr 2004 20:28 GMT
IBen Getiner <Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of
>> Cardiomyopathy which is a long-term degenerative heart condition.
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>
>                              IBen G.

I believe you're the one who suddenly took offense and blew the whole
thing out of proportion.  If you go back to the message where he first
mentioned the paintball, he was just wondering out loud if that could
have happened since he saw the idiot aim it at a dog.  He did say he
believed he shot at the cat, that he had any animosity toward
paintballers, or anything of the kind.  You doth protest too much.  
Methinks you're one of those losers who can't be trusted with a
paintball ball.  Are you the one that got away when they arrested those
room temp teens for shooting at the homeless?  I bet you are.  I bet it
was your idea, too.  That's the impression you've left about
paintballers by your all-out aggression over a fleeting comment about
someone who actually would shoot at a pet.  Nice going.

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Liz - 23 Apr 2004 23:24 GMT
> > Just got a call from the Vet today and my cat died of Cardiomyopathy
> > which is a long-term degenerative heart condition. THANKS to all who
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>                              IBen G.

Drop it already, he just asked a question.
m. L. Briggs - 17 Apr 2004 01:40 GMT
>Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
>haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>Thanks for your concern, Tom D.

IMO  You might ask if you can file a complaint with the police
department.  They will advise you of your rights.  If the autopsy
finding prove it you can go from there.  Again, deepest sympathy.
IBen Getiner - 17 Apr 2004 07:24 GMT
> Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
> haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Thanks for your concern, Tom D.

Quit hassling people who choose to engage in outdoor activities that
differ from yours, for starters. You have no proof that it was a paint
ball that killed your cat. You can't even prove that it was THEIR
paintball that you found in your yard, for that matter. Just because
they play with them, that doesn't mean that every paintball you find
from here on in came from their gun.
It probably goes much deeper than that, doesn't it Tom..? I think so.
It probably goes down to your deep-seeded hatred for guns and those
who own them, I'll bet. Probably never even fired a BB gun in your
whole freakin' life. Feminized little creep.
THIS is why we have laws. To protect innocent people from knee-jerk
bigots like you.

                              IBen G.
Hailey - 17 Apr 2004 09:24 GMT
> Quit hassling people who choose to engage in outdoor activities that
> differ from yours, for starters. You have no proof that it was a paint
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>                                IBen G.

OH GOOD GOD. shut up you stupid idiot. The man just lost his cat. SHUT UP.
Tom D. - 17 Apr 2004 13:50 GMT
I haven't even talked to the neighbors yet so don't say that I'm
hassling anybody. I do not have a deep down hatred for anyone who has
a gun - only the a**holes that use them irresponsibly.  If you knew me
you would know that I am the most un-bigotted person around. Just
trying to find out what happened to my cat ! So crawl back into your
hole TROLL !

>Quit hassling people who choose to engage in outdoor activities that
>differ from yours, for starters. You have no proof that it was a paint
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>                               IBen G.
Iain & Deb - 17 Apr 2004 14:13 GMT
> I haven't even talked to the neighbors yet so don't say that I'm
> hassling anybody. I do not have a deep down hatred for anyone who has
> a gun - only the a**holes that use them irresponsibly.  If you knew me
> you would know that I am the most un-bigotted person around. Just
> trying to find out what happened to my cat ! So crawl back into your
> hole TROLL !

Please just kill file iben, Tom.  He has no right to accuse you of any
kind of bias - anyone who can put two and two together would assume that
the paint ball in your yard came from the neighbours, since you've seen
them with the gun!  It's an unfortunate fact that some people will shoot
anything at all, just for fun, whether iben wants to hear it or not.

I'm so sorry for your loss.  I hope the autopsy will be able to put your
mind at ease.

Deb
Tom D. - 17 Apr 2004 15:07 GMT
Good suggestion - Already done. Must be very mature with a name like
that !!

>Please just kill file iben, Tom.  He has no right to accuse you of any
>kind of bias - anyone who can put two and two together would assume that
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>
>Deb
rumer - 17 Apr 2004 15:05 GMT
> > Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
> > haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
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>
>                                IBen G.

perhaps if certain people didn't so rightously engage themselves in
something they couldn't be responsible about this particular outcome
could have been avoided. obviously tom has reason to believe it was
the fault of the paintball gun. which deserves a little more looking
in to than the half wit ridicule some nra enthusiast has to offer. i
could only hope that everyone has a "deep-seeded hatred for guns" -
could you imagine the outcome of that? now this is truely why we have
laws - to protect innocent victoms from charleton heston lackeys like
yourself.
MacCandace - 17 Apr 2004 17:08 GMT
<< now this is truely why we have
laws - to protect innocent victoms from charleton heston lackeys like
yourself. >>

While I tend to agree with you, it should be noted that IBen is a
self-proclaimed aryan supremacist piece of crap who deserves no interaction.

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IBen Getiner - 18 Apr 2004 00:31 GMT
>Subject: Re: Just lost our Kitty !! :-( - NEW EVIDENCE
>From: maccandace@aol.comlitter  (MacCandace)
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>
>Candace

I'm a self-proclaimed European supremacist. You're the piece of crap.

                      IBen G.
IBen Getiner - 17 Apr 2004 20:11 GMT
> > > Hello again to all. I feel like you are all my friends even though I
> > > haven't met in person. The responses I have received have been
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> something they couldn't be responsible about this particular outcome
> could have been avoided.

Your phrasing is unclear. Perhaps you could repeat it... IN PROPER
ENGLISH...??

> obviously tom has reason to believe it was
> the fault of the paintball gun.

He has only his bigotry. If you knew anything about the sport
involving the paintball gun, you'd know that you could never kill
anything as large as a cat with one. It is physically impossible. I
guess if you cornered it and shot it a hundred times, then maybe. But
not from one. Or even ten, for that matter. Especially if it were from
a distance.
Neither YOU nor HE has any idea about what you're talking about. I own
a paintball gun and frequently participate in war games and I KNOW.
You don't, so SHUT IT!

> which deserves a little more looking
> in to than the half wit ridicule some nra enthusiast has to offer.

English. We speak ENGLISH here.

> i
> could only hope that everyone has a "deep-seeded hatred for guns" -
> could you imagine the outcome of that?

I hope you wish to include the LAWLESS CRIMINAL into your equation as
well, since it is HE (and the lack of competent law enforcement) who
causes the rest of us to own them.
Remember, azzhole... 911 is nothing but government sponsored
dial-a-prayer and criminals always prefer unarmed victims. I know.
I've been on both sides of the fence.

> now this is truely why we have
> laws - to protect innocent victoms from charleton heston lackeys like
> yourself.

Another Pussyfied Nut-case. Unbelievable.

                                  IBen G.
Karen Chuplis - 17 Apr 2004 20:29 GMT
> I own
> a paintball gun and frequently participate in war games

Quel suprise.
Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Apr 2004 21:17 GMT
Karen Chuplis <kchuplis@alltel.net> wrote in
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>> I own
>> a paintball gun and frequently participate in war games
>
> Quel suprise.

It was probably him aiming at the dog.

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Brandy??Alexandre - 17 Apr 2004 21:16 GMT
IBen Getiner <Lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>> > Quit hassling people who choose to engage in outdoor activities
>> > that differ from yours, for starters. You have no proof that it
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> Your phrasing is unclear. Perhaps you could repeat it... IN PROPER
> ENGLISH...??

If I were you, I'd stay away from writing flames.  There are no fewer
that 5 grammar, syntax, and other errors in your diatribe.  Plus, you
must consider for a moment that if ALL you have to bitch about is the
way something is written, you haven't got an argument.  There was
nothing so ambiguous in the way the comment was written that a person
with a modicum of reading comprehension skill couldn't deduce what was
meant.

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IBen Getiner - 18 Apr 2004 00:34 GMT
>Subject: Re: Just lost our Kitty !! :-( - NEW EVIDENCE
>From: "Brandy  Alexandre" brandy@kamikaze.orgy
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>with a modicum of reading comprehension skill couldn't deduce what was
>meant.

I'm not talking to YOU.

IBen G.
Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Apr 2004 00:41 GMT
IBen Getiner <lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> I'm not talking to YOU.

Yes, you are.  Public group, so you are addressing us all.  If you want
a private conversation, take it to email.

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MacCandace - 18 Apr 2004 20:06 GMT
<< Yes, you are.  Public group, so you are addressing us all.  If you want
a private conversation, take it to email. >>

Ewww, can you imagine getting a private email from him.  That would be truly
revolting.

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Jeannie - 19 Apr 2004 10:25 GMT
> If you knew anything about the sport
> involving the paintball gun, you'd know that you could never kill
> anything as large as a cat with one. It is physically impossible. I
> guess if you cornered it and shot it a hundred times, then maybe. But
> not from one. Or even ten, for that matter. Especially if it were from
> a distance.

I REALLY hate to admit it, but I think Dr. Iben's right in this instance.
Perhaps the cat ate the paint
though, the symptoms sound like poisoning to me.

Jeannie
Iain & Deb - 19 Apr 2004 12:23 GMT
> > If you knew anything about the sport
> > involving the paintball gun, you'd know that you could never kill
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>
> Jeannie

That would be fast-working poison, if the cat just ate it during the 20
minutes it was outside.  The OP doesn't mention seeing actual paint, just
a paint ball.

My brother plays in a paintball game sometimes, and he says close range
shots can really hurt.  I think a cat shot in the right spot - say the
head - at close range could die from the effect, but why would the ball
not explode?  Hopefully the autopsy will tell the tale; and hopefully the
explanation will be something other than a cruel neighbour.

Deb
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Liz - 19 Apr 2004 21:45 GMT
Iain & Deb <sugarpopspete@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> That would be fast-working poison, if the cat just ate it during the 20
> minutes it was outside.  The OP doesn't mention seeing actual paint, just
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> Deb

I believe that if the cat was shot with a paintball in the belly area
and the paintball hit the liver or the kidneys or the spleen, the cat
would die of internal hemorrhage and since the paintball hit soft
tissue, it would burst. The necropsy will certainly show if this is
what happened. I really hope not, it´d be very sad.
Brandy??Alexandre - 20 Apr 2004 00:20 GMT
Liz <c864320@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> I believe that if the cat was shot with a paintball in the belly area
> and the paintball hit the liver or the kidneys or the spleen, the cat
> would die of internal hemorrhage and since the paintball hit soft
> tissue, it would burst. The necropsy will certainly show if this is
> what happened. I really hope not, it?d be very sad.

I had a kid in the apartment next to me throwing paintballs with a
slingshot at my windows.  Some of them didn't break, but it sure
sounded like the window was going to break.  It's possible to get a
hard hit and for the ball not to break.  I got hit in the ribs once,
but it did break.  I thought my rib did, too!  Ow.  :)  Big giant
purple bruise for days and days.

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Cheryl - 20 Apr 2004 00:37 GMT
> I had a kid in the apartment next to me throwing paintballs with a
> slingshot at my windows.  Some of them didn't break, but it sure
> sounded like the window was going to break.  It's possible to get a
> hard hit and for the ball not to break.  I got hit in the ribs once,
> but it did break.  I thought my rib did, too!  Ow.  :)  Big giant
> purple bruise for days and days.

I got hit in the butt once when playing a paintball game, and a friend of
mine got hit in the forehead.  They do hurt like hell and leave a huge
bruise. But since I've played it before I couldn't imagine that being shot
by one could kill a cat, and my thought was that kitty ate one. But if she
was poisoned in that short a period of time, I think it is unlikely.

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Brandy??Alexandre - 20 Apr 2004 01:08 GMT
Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in
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> 2004:
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> thought was that kitty ate one. But if she was poisoned in that
> short a period of time, I think it is unlikely.

They aren't supposed to be toxic.  They're even water soluable, so I
doubt it.  Especially in such a short period of time.

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IBen Getiner - 20 Apr 2004 09:47 GMT
> "Brandy  Alexandre" <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> dumped this in  
> news:15922c16dfa1183595d9effb83b70eed@news.teranews.com on 19 Apr 2004:
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> mine got hit in the forehead.  They do hurt like hell and leave a huge
> bruise.

What..? Was it at point-blank range? Because if not, then YOU'RE A
LIAR.

> But since I've played it before I couldn't imagine that being shot
> by one could kill a cat, and my thought was that kitty ate one. But if she
> was poisoned in that short a period of time, I think it is unlikely.

The fool just hates his neighbors. You can pick that up reading his
post from the get-go. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole lot
more to it than this.
If the animal was killed by a paintball, it would have to be UP CLOSE
and right to an internal organ, as someone here suggested. And when I
say UP CLOSE, I mean point-blank. Five feet or less.
The paint within the ball is totally nontoxic to humans, but I must
confess that I don't know if it would harm a cat. But if the cat were
to have eaten one, the remnants of the ball and the accompanying paint
stain would be evident in the grass.
In other words... The guy is full of CRAP.

                               IBen G.
Steve G - 20 Apr 2004 23:01 GMT
(...)

> I believe that if the cat was shot with a paintball in the belly area
> and the paintball hit the liver or the kidneys or the spleen, the cat
> would die of internal hemorrhage and since the paintball hit soft
> tissue, it would burst.

Science fiction. About the only risk to a cat from a paintball would
be a close range shot to the eye.

> The necropsy will certainly show if this is
> what happened. I really hope not, it´d be very sad.

I betcha 2lbs of catnip that the necropsy will show no such damage.
Not to metion the fact that a cat shot with a paintball would be
covered in paint, natch.

Steve.
Liz - 21 Apr 2004 13:55 GMT
> (...)
> >
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> Science fiction. About the only risk to a cat from a paintball would
> be a close range shot to the eye.

I´ve never played with a paintball gun but I heard the shots really
hurt and there are testimonies here of such.

> > The necropsy will certainly show if this is
> > what happened. I really hope not, it´d be very sad.
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>
> Steve.

I´d rather bet two pounds of sirloin. lol Do paintballs always burst
when they hit? Would they also burst hitting the soft belly of a cat?
Lets do come calculations here... What´s the weight of a paintball?
And at what speed does it leave the gun? Why do people get bruises
from them?
[ medic ] - 21 Apr 2004 15:44 GMT
I haven't seen the beginning of this thread, but I do know a little bit
about paintball. And, being a medic, I like to think I know a little bit
about injuries as well. Not necessarily to cats, but in general. ; )

First of all, with any kind of projectile fired at you (wheter it's a
paintball, a rubber projectile, or a bullet), the closer you are in range,
the more damage it is likely to do. There's a reason paintballers wear a
protective face mask because there are dangers to getting hit and putting
your eye out. That said, however, the worst I've seen a paintball do is
raise a welt and leave a bruise. I don't think I've ever seen one do some
serious damage to tissue, and definitely not to anything underneath the
skin. And yes, if the cat had been shot with a paintball at a range and
velocity close enough to do any damage, the paintball would have burst. It
doesn't take much to get them to burst and the impact with a cat would've
definitely done it.

Now, your cat might still have been shot with something. I think one thing
you may want to look into is if he was shot with a BB gun. I don't mean
those BB guns that are spring-loaded and fire plastic pellets (those are
rather harmless), but the kind that fires steel pellets and are either
spring loaded or use a CO2 cartridge. However, again, if something like that
would have caused damage, chances are, it would've at least penetrated the
skin.

My two cents.

[ med ]

> > (...)
> > >
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> And at what speed does it leave the gun? Why do people get bruises
> from them?
IBen Getiner - 22 Apr 2004 10:41 GMT
> > (...)
> > >
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>
> I´ve never played with a paintball gun but...

<SNIP CRAP!>

Then... SHUT THE HELL UP! All you are doing is adding UNEDUCATED
guesswork onto an already overburdened pile of know-nothing daft
opinions. Unless you have been hit by a paint ball or have shot one,
you have NOTHING to say. Nothing.

                             IBen G.
Liz - 22 Apr 2004 14:48 GMT
Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message
> Then... SHUT THE HELL UP! All you are doing is adding UNEDUCATED
> guesswork onto an already overburdened pile of know-nothing daft
> opinions. Unless you have been hit by a paint ball or have shot one,
> you have NOTHING to say. Nothing.
>                               IBen G.

You shut up paranoid fanatic psycho.
Steve G - 22 Apr 2004 16:05 GMT
(...)

> > Science fiction. About the only risk to a cat from a paintball would
> > be a close range shot to the eye.
(...)

> > I betcha 2lbs of catnip that the necropsy will show no such damage.
> > Not to metion the fact that a cat shot with a paintball would be
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> I´d rather bet two pounds of sirloin. lol Do paintballs always burst
> when they hit? Would they also burst hitting the soft belly of a cat?

Nothing 'always' happens, but the burst rate is going to be pretty
damn high. They burst hitting the soft belly of a human, and would
burst hitting the soft belly of a cat. (Well, I've not tried this - my
cats are a better shot than me and usually get me before I get them).

> Lets do come calculations here... What´s the weight of a paintball?
> And at what speed does it leave the gun? Why do people get bruises
> from them?

I think c. 0.1g and 200mph?

Now, what do you intend do do with that data? Remember to include the
viscosity of air in any calculations, and do not omit the airspeed of
a swallow in your workings.

Anyway, I see in t'other thread that the cat in question died of
natural causes anyway. I was right. You owe me 2lbs of catnip on a
sirloin steak. Medium rare, thanks.

Steve.
Liz - 23 Apr 2004 23:21 GMT
>  (...)
> > >
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>
> Steve.

I was going to calculate the impact and see if it would be enough to
cause some serious damage but I´d need another data: how much damage
could their spleen, liver or kidney take before it bled nonstop? From
the other thread on the hitpoints of cats, they can take so much
damage that not even an AR15 could actually hurt them so you win. My
brother lives in the UK. Where should he deliver the 2lbs of catnip
on a sirloin steak? ;)
IBen Getiner - 25 Apr 2004 09:38 GMT
>  (...)
> > > >
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> brother lives in the UK. Where should he deliver the 2lbs of catnip
> on a sirloin steak? ;)

I guess you haven't heard. Our overambitious paintball detective just
discovered that his cat had other problems that led to its demise. It
had NOTHING to do with his harmless neighbors. Just like Getiner said,
AZZHOLE!!

                               IBen G.
Liz - 25 Apr 2004 21:59 GMT
Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message
> > I was going to calculate the impact and see if it would be enough to
> > cause some serious damage but I´d need another data: how much damage
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> AZZHOLE!!
>                                 IBen G.

Do you have a text interpretation problem?
Laura R. - 26 Apr 2004 01:20 GMT
circa 25 Apr 2004 13:59:46 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Liz
(c864320@yahoo.com) said,

> Do you have a text interpretation problem?

No, it has a reality interpretation problem, which is why it's in
most folks' killfiles.

Laura
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IBen Getiner - 26 Apr 2004 09:08 GMT
> Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message
> > > I was going to calculate the impact and see if it would be enough to
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>
> Do you have a text interpretation problem?

New, I guess..

                                  IBen G.
Steve G - 26 Apr 2004 17:26 GMT
> Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message
> > > I was going to calculate the impact and see if it would be enough to
> > > cause some serious damage but I´d need another data: how much damage
> > > could their spleen, liver or kidney take before it bled nonstop?

You'd need more info than that - you'd need to know the behaviour of
the pellet on impact (i.e., how it disintegrates), the energy
dissipation of the fur, skin and other tissue and doubtless more
besides. It's a job for a forensic pathologist or two - call in the
CSI squad...?

> > > the other thread on the hitpoints of cats, they can take so much
> > > damage that not even an AR15 could actually hurt them so you win. My
> > > brother lives in the UK. Where should he deliver the 2lbs of catnip
> > > on a sirloin steak? ;)

Oh, just put it on a FTP site and I'll download it to my oven.

(...)
> > had NOTHING to do with his harmless neighbors. Just like Getiner said,
> > AZZHOLE!!
> >                                 IBen G.
>
> Do you have a text interpretation problem?

Text interpretation is the least of dear Benjamin's problems.

Steve.
IBen Getiner - 30 Apr 2004 09:36 GMT
> > Lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) wrote in message
> > > > I was going to calculate the impact and see if it would be enough to
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>
> Steve.

It's IBen to you, you pliable little winkie.

                                IBen G.
IBen Getiner - 20 Apr 2004 05:23 GMT
>Subject: Re: Just lost our Kitty !! :-( - NEW EVIDENCE
>From: "Jeannie" jean@NOSPAMspackman@daikatana.fsnet.co.uk
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>
>Jeannie

I'm right in EVERY instance, Jenny. You just don't know it yet.

                              IBen G.
Jeannie - 20 Apr 2004 09:20 GMT
> I'm right in EVERY instance, Jenny. You just don't know it yet.
>
>                                IBen G.

Interestingly, you can't seem to get my name right though...

Jeannie
IBen Getiner - 18 Apr 2004 00:49 GMT
>Subject: Re: Just lost our Kitty !! :-( - NEW EVIDENCE
>From: arubixtress@hotmail.com  (rumer)

now this is truely why we have
laws - to protect innocent victoms from charleton heston lackeys like
yourself.

And another thing, Pit Stain... Mr. Heston is a man of impeccable character. A
Godly man. A true American man-amongst-men. A man who believes in the United
States Constitution. If you're against the private ownership of firearms, then
you are un-American and an enemy to the very Bill of Rights that protects you!
It's JERK-OFFS like YOU who still believe that 'the police will protect you'.
Sheesh... You're so feminized, you putrid sissified whoosies have even
forgotten the basic instinct of self-defense.
Remember... It is THE WOMAN who cannot fathom the concept of self-defense. It
is THE WOMAN who's idea of that concept is to surrender and then beg her
captors for mercy. Only men understand, for it is not within the mind of the
woman to do so. She is the gatherer and the child-bearer. The MAN is the hunter
and the defender. You sissified wimps have been FEMINIZED by today's modern
feminist CUNTZ to stay in your place.... Right behind your wife! What a bunch
of pansy-azzed little girlie-men!
I weep for the future of this nation. I really do.

                                 IBen G.
Brandy??Alexandre - 18 Apr 2004 01:06 GMT
IBen Getiner <lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>>Subject: Re: Just lost our Kitty !! :-( - NEW EVIDENCE
>>From: arubixtress@hotmail.com  (rumer)
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>                                   IBen G.

Spoken like a man who is turned down for sex EVERY time he begs or
offers money.

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Loose Cannon - 18 Apr 2004 17:06 GMT
> IBen Getiner <lappcatt@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

> > IBenGetinslappedalloverUsenet's misogynistic tripe snipped<

> Spoken like a man who is turned down for sex EVERY time he begs or
> offers money.

Lappratt a "man"?  Surely not. He's just a lonely coward and troll,
desperate for attention. Any attention. No matter how humiliating.

LC

"One wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised.  One wants to arouse
some sort of feeling in people.  The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price."~ Hjalmar Soderberg
 
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