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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004Justice for Shadow and Poppy Petition
------------------------------------------------------------ Please forward on to whoever you can. The law need to start recogizing the seriousness of this type of crime. The man (allegedly) doused his two puppies with WD-40 and lit them on fire. It took two weeks for his crime to be discovered, during which time no medical attention was given to the puppies. Please sign the petition to the Prosecutor of the case. ------------------------------------------------------------ original email: ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: FW: IMPORTANT~Please Read~ Hi Everyone, I know, another petition. I saw this on the news last night and it was very upsetting. I asked one of our volunteers (Lisa) to put together this petition so our voices can be heard. Please take ONE minute to sign it. Our goal is to reach 2000 signatures. Also, please send it to all your friends on line. Lisa will send all the petitions to the acting Prosecutor. Please help us to send the message that this kind of abuse will not be tolerated. If you already received this, please ignore it. I've also sent the story below the petition. Thanks once again to you all. Justice for Shadow and Poppy Petition http://www.petitiononline.com/sp0404lc/petition.html This is the story: WPVI.com: Man Allegedly Burns Dogs http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/04132004_animal_burneddogs.html Barb Giano Burlington County Animal Alliance http://www.bcaa.petfinder.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------ > Justice for Shadow and Poppy Petition > http://www.petitiononline.com/sp0404lc/petition.html I have just signed it. What this guy has done is sickening. How long will it take before the law changes to level the crime! Gee Even though I don't like dogs I signed it. What this guy has done is disgusting and cats could be next.  SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Please forward on to whoever you can. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > http://www.bcaa.petfinder.org/ > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Even though I don't like dogs I signed it. What this guy has done is > disgusting and cats could be next. God you're a moron. > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Please forward on to whoever you can. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > http://www.bcaa.petfinder.org/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------ circa 14 Apr 2004 14:31:20 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Karen M. (misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com) said, > > Even though I don't like dogs I signed it. What this guy has done is > > disgusting and cats could be next. > > God you're a moron. <snort> My thoughts exactly. Well, actually, I was leaning more towards "headcase", but... ;-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa 14 Apr 2004 14:31:20 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Karen M. (misskittymcgill71@yahoo.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Laura Yes, there's so many things wrong with what written in those two sentences. You could probably build an upper-level psych course around them... ;) > Even though I don't like dogs I signed it. What this guy has done is > disgusting and cats could be next. I actually didn't sign it - and won't. Online petitions hold about as much water as a sieve in the Mojave desert. http://tinyurl.com/3gp9s Like the article as linked (goes to Snopes, BTW) suggests, you're better off writing your congresscritters. SignatureDennis Carr - ke6isf@spamcop.net | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- > I actually didn't sign it - and won't. Online petitions hold about as > much water as a sieve in the Mojave desert. I agree. > http://tinyurl.com/3gp9s > > Like the article as linked (goes to Snopes, BTW) suggests, you're better > off writing your congresscritters. It does not hurt to try. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > I actually didn't sign it - and won't. Online petitions hold about as > much water as a sieve in the Mojave desert. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Like the article as linked (goes to Snopes, BTW) suggests, you're better > off writing your congresscritters. >> Even though I don't like dogs I signed it. What this guy has done is >> disgusting and cats could be next. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Like the article as linked (goes to Snopes, BTW) suggests, you're better >off writing your congresscritters. hello, thanks to everyone who signed the petition, or will sign it, or has contacted the prosecutor's office directly, or has contacted their legislator for tougher laws. perhaps a petition alone isn't enough, but it gets the word out. if you think it is not enough, and you care, then contact the authorities directly. many have done this. i think the public outcry *is* having an effect. Ocean County, NJ courts have let people off pretty easy in the past for animal abuse. Initially, this guy's bail was set at $5000, and he went home. Today, as reported in the Asbury Park Press, the judge increased his bail to $50,000 and threw him in jail. Owner jailed, dogs rescued after they were set afire http://www.app.com/app/story/0,21625,943370,00.html Suspect: Burns on dogs an accident http://www.app.com/app/story/0,21625,944086,00.html so your (online) voices *can* make a difference, even if it is just to get the word out to let the authorities know that we are paying close attention to how they handle these cases. the petition is going to be sent to the court, and it may make a difference at sentencing time, if the judge thinks that the whole world is scrutinizing his decision, rather than just a few people in the courtroom. please reconsider your position on this issue, not only for this case, but in general. you *can* make a difference. > please reconsider your position on this issue, not only for this case, > but in general. you *can* make a difference. The problem remains that there is too much padding that's possible, and a list of 2000 email addresses is something that can and will be considered arbitrary. I can create an infinite number of email addresses on my computer here, pretend they're all my (l)users, and sign the petition with each of those addresses. Your count will go to 2000 in a heartbeat, but it'll count for nothing because, QED, I can pad the dataset with garbage, and if I can pad it, so can anybody else - including the petitioner. With no validation mechanism (in this case, a validation mechanism would be PGP/GPG signatures or something similar collected with the email addresses), the data is spectacularly useless to anybody but a marketing firm. I hate to sound callous, then, but there is really nothing to reconsider. You are certainly wise to get the word out on this and raise Cain about it, and God's blessings to you for that, it needs to be done - but an OLP won't work for a hill of beans if I want something done. You gotta write your congresscritters. If I want laws to change or otherwise raise concerns with federal government, Rep. Loretta Sanchez' office is walking distance from my home, and Sen's Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer are but a mailbox and three days away - and if I want to go to the state, well, somehow or another, writing a letter to Arnold "The Governator" Schwarzenegger up in Sacramento just seems kinda cool. =^^= And that, sir, is precisely what I have done. Now what they can do for some random furry fan with cats is left as an exercise to the reader, but I think the answers are in the questions raised. SignatureDennis Carr - ke6isf@spamcop.net | I may be out of my mind, http://www.dennis.furtopia.org | But I have more fun that way. ------------------------------------+------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ >> please reconsider your position on this issue, not only for this case, >> but in general. you *can* make a difference. > >The problem remains that there is too much padding that's possible, and a >list of 2000 email addresses is something that can and will be considered >arbitrary. it's considered to be a sampling of public opinion,i.e., a poll, or survey, something public officials pay attention to. abuse is possible with an online petition. filling out all the fields with verifiable information adds to the credibility of the petition. it is technically possible to limit on signature per ip address, but i don't know if they do that. most responsible adults who take these matters seriously do not resort to such juvenile activity. >I hate to sound callous, then, but there is really nothing to reconsider. >You are certainly wise to get the word out on this and raise Cain about [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >some random furry fan with cats is left as an exercise to the reader, but >I think the answers are in the questions raised. there are two separate points of law, here, the law itself, and enforcement, prosecution, and sentencing. you are addressing one (contact the legislators), but not the other, which is the point of this matter. there is discretionary power within the prosecutor's office as to what charges are brought, whether plea agreements are on the table, and what the prosecutor asks of the judge. public pressure does affect this process, and it seems to be working in this case because the prosecutor changed what he asked of the judge (to increase bail high enough to keep him incarcerated), and the judge granted the request. in many cases of actual animal abuse, the prosecutor only charges the offender with a 'disorderly person' charge, not even animal abuse. it is this part of the process that we are trying to influence. any law, not matter how strict, is useless if it is not enforced and properly applied. if you would prefer to spend an hour debating the issue on the usenet, rather than spending one minute to sign the petition in the hope that you will make a difference, then that is up to you. you surely will not make a difference in *this case* with your proposed course of action. perhaps you would prefer to contact the prosecutor's office directly with verifiable personal information: http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/prosecutor/main.htm it won't take longer to do that than it will to continue this discussion, and i would prefer that you do that. decide which is more important to you. |
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