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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2006Idiot neighbour....
One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and explaining how their cat was murdered by a dog. I really want to go and smack this idiot around the head, and say, you murdered your cat, you tosser, you let it go outside daily, and probably nightly too, and expected everyone else to look out for it. Even though you didn't have the responsibility of a normal pet owner and look out for it, everyone else has to. I have a smaller house than them, seven cats, and it is not trouble to keep them indoors. Everyone knows there are heaps of dogs around here, who occasionally get out, or are being walked and might pull away from their owner to chase your cat. And idiots who will hurt your cat, and cars that will kill it and yet people think they have a 'right' to let their cat wander, and the rest of the world has to look after it. Some people are stupid. > One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their > house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and explaining > how their cat was murdered by a dog. I really want to go and smack this > idiot around the head, and say, you murdered your cat, you tosser, you let > it go outside daily, and probably nightly too, and expected everyone else to > look out for it. Be a little fair- when I was a kid everyone knew cats went out at night I mean listen to the end of the Flintstone's cartoons, our first cat was indoor/outdoor we only got him because we had a garden. When we moved to our current flat we deprived ourself of being good slaves, which of course is our natural status because people told us that it was "Cruel" to keep cats inside all the time..... Then we looked it up and decided it might work and that was a few years ago and we still had our doubts but it happened a friend's cat had had kittens and two tabby queens needed a home....We still had doubts because everyone told us "Cats need to go out".....I don't think our beloved Fugazi and Isis (Both RB) could have had a better life and I don't think the current residents could have a better one either (Even through at the moment they are having a fight over who gets to sit on the catnip scented posts- these two will only use a certain post made in the US and we're in the UK and I just paid an exorbitant price to get some over here- spoilt? Not at all!) Go round, talk to them, be nice maybe this is the shock they need and persuade them to keep their cats indoors Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs >> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I know I'm being a bit harsh...venting I suppose. Yes, I understand, as I used to have my cats outside, as where I grew up (rural australia), there was no education on keeping cats inside vs outside, but the Council of the city I live in has a lot of education about responsible pet ownership happening constantly; it's in the papers, on the radio etc. It's not them having the cat outside, it's them blaming others. That's what worries me. They are not taking responsibilty for what happened, ie. I chose to let my cat wander, so therefore it is my responsibilty if something happens to my much loved pet. They are putting signs up blaming dog-owners. Most of the dog owners around here are very responsible, whereas the cat owners let their cats wander continually. I would like to talk to them about it, but am not sure, as they would probably resent a perfect stranger approaching them; people can be a bit funny about it here. It's just frustrating as from the signs, I think they will do the same with their next cat....let it wander then get all outraged at car drivers when a car hits it. That worries me. >>> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >>> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > it wander then get all outraged at car drivers when a car hits it. That > worries me. Actually, *both* parties are responsible -- the cat owners/guardians for letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for letting their dogs wander off their own premises. MaryL > Actually, *both* parties are responsible -- the cat owners/guardians for > letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for letting > their dogs wander off their own premises. And don't get me started on idiot dog owners who seem to expect dogs to chase cats. I have no idea where that particular urban myth started from- in the wild, cats are not prey animals for dogs but I've seen people urging their dog to chase a cat because "That's what dogs do". Dogs aren't too bright that way and if their owner encourages them to do it, they will do it to please their owner I've had at least a couple of arguments with people what do that-not recently through so I hope it's dying a well deserved death Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballs > > Actually, *both* parties are responsible -- the cat owners/guardians for > > letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for letting [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs I'm an idiot dog owner (as well as an idiot cat owner). If a cat runs, a dog WILL chase it. Even dogs who live happily with cats. They may not intend the cat harm, but dogs who are unfamiliar with cats could easily mortally wound a kitty without malicious intent. (Dogs don't really distinguish one small running animal from another, for example, rabbits vs. cats.) That said, I am a very strong believer in keeping dogs under owner control at all times, either on a leash or contained by fencing. Since so many people use invisible fencing in my neighborhood (I do not, I have a physical barrier), I would be very concerned about letting my cats out and having them wander into a yard with dogs who more likely than not would risk a shock to keep chasing a cat beyond it's electronic boundaries. Back in college I let my 2 cats wander out of doors, but I lived in a much different environment with a lot of farm land and no busy roads. Residential neighborhoods are simply not safe for cats IMHO. In my case, it's primarily because of the ignorant teenagers who speed on our residential streets. >Back in college I let my 2 cats wander out of doors, but I lived in a >much different environment with a lot of farm land and no busy roads. >Residential neighborhoods are simply not safe for cats IMHO. In my >case, it's primarily because of the ignorant teenagers who speed on our >residential streets. From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals get dumped out in those kinds of areas, and many farmers are more likely to shoot and bury than you might think. Especially if the strays are anywhere near their livestock. Rebecca > From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they > aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Rebecca I agree that even a rural environment is not safe for a beloved pet to roam free. I was young and stupid back then. We lived on a farm that our friends owned. One day my husband and our roommate were mountain biking on *our* property, on a ridge. They had both dogs with them. Someone shot and killed our roommate's dog, who was following the last bike within about 50 feet. The person who did it was likely illegally hunting. He also had to know it was a dog, given there were 3 people and 2 dogs on the ridge, all very close together. Still makes me sad and sick when I think about it. We have friends who own a farm here who have puppies and kittens dumped on them all the time. They neuter and keep some of the cats as barn cats but all the pups go to the shelter. It's very frustrating for them. >> From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they >> aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I agree that even a rural environment is not safe for a beloved pet to >roam free. I was young and stupid back then. It's ok. When I was young and stupid, we did the normal dog and cat raising of opening the door in the morning and calling them in at night. You live, you learn. >We lived on a farm that our friends owned. One day my husband and our >roommate were mountain biking on *our* property, on a ridge. They had [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >given there were 3 people and 2 dogs on the ridge, all very close >together. Still makes me sad and sick when I think about it. When I lived in Oakland, there was a big uproar once in the newspaper. There was a nice park that ran up against some farmland. Someone was out hiking in the woods with their dog off leash, the dog went under the fence while in sight of its owner, and the farmer shot and killed it. People came down firmly into two camps: "It's your dog, keep it under your control and off someone else's land or expect it to be shot (which is perfectly legal under California law)" and "It was a family pet, the owner was there, and he could have had the owner get the dog, therefore he was just being a jerk by shooting someone's pet." I have to admit, I fall more into the first group. I find it rather distressing that so many people fail to take proper control of their pets. And then they get upset when bad things happen to them. Rebecca >>> From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they >>> aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Rebecca When I was about 12 years old, I was out walking with my dog *on our own property.* A man appeared just across the fence line and said, "Get away from that dog. I'm going to shoot it." He started to raise his rifle, but I was young and stupid (and loved my dog). So, I grabbed her by her collar and ran with her. He yelled but did not do anything else. I was on our own land (rural area), and our dog was never off the property. My father called the sheriff, and the sheriff later paid us a visit to tell us the man was a renter who seemed to have "mental issues" but had been ordered to leave the area and not return. I don't know which other area had the "good fortune" to welcome him into the neighborhood, but I never saw him again. MaryL >>>> From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they >>>> aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > MaryL OMG lucky he didn't shoot you as well. But good for you for sticking up for your dog. r.rice@thevine.net wrote in news:khqvh253gn47c452drad94hb6pdh3otovi@ 4ax.com: .. > When I lived in Oakland, there was a big uproar once in the newspaper. > There was a nice park that ran up against some farmland. Someone was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Rebecca I think they can both be right. Keep our pets leashed and safe and the farmer was a jerk (or worse). Andy >> From what I've heard from people living in rural/farm areas, they >> aren't very safe for wandering pets, either. Apparently many animals [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > cats but all the pups go to the shelter. It's very frustrating for > them. Yes. I agree. If anything rural people down under are more callous towards animals than city folk. We had kittens and cats, dogs, birds, you name it dumped on us. Unfortunately often the animals were nearly dead before the owners would realize anything was wrong. That just shows what little attention they paid their animals in the first place. >> Actually, *both* parties are responsible -- the cat owners/guardians for >> letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Slave of the Fabulous Furballs That is disgusting. Fortunately I haven't run into that one yet. >>>> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >>>> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] >letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for letting >their dogs wander off their own premises. Possibly. We don't know, based on the original post, where the cat was killed. It could have wandered into a dog's yard, in which case the fault is entirely on the cat's owner. Rebecca >>>>> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >>>>> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Rebecca I'm not sure either. The sign seemed to indicate the cat was killed on the sidewalk. Even worse, the house was right on a busy road, so they were idiots to let the cat out in the first place....a recipe for roadkill. Actually, *both* parties are responsible -- the cat owners/guardians for > letting their cats wander around unprotected and the dog owners for letting > their dogs wander off their own premises. > > MaryL I have a friend who has 2 large dogs who have a fenced yard. A neighbor's cat kept coming onto her property and she even warned the cat's owner that the dogs might hurt the cat. Well unfortunately the next time the cat came into her yard, her dogs killed it. She tried to save the cat but it was too late. While I agree in instances where dogs are not in their own yards, the dog owner is responsible, sometimes it's not the dog owner's fault as was the case with my friend. So sad :( Lauren (and Mickey & Meesha) Raise Your Paw for Raw! See my cats: http://mickeymeesha.photosite.com/mm/ >>>> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >>>> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > MaryL Definitely.I was not meaning that the dog owner was not responsible; I meant that there are more responsible cat dog owners in my street than responsible cat owners. I will not inflict my 'rants' on you again....it was just getting to me that day. > Definitely.I was not meaning that the dog owner was not responsible; I > meant that there are more responsible cat dog owners in my street than > responsible cat owners. I will not inflict my 'rants' on you again....it > was just getting to me that day. No problem. A lot of us rant and vent on newsgroups -- and your message gave several of us an opportunity to vent some more. MaryL >> Definitely.I was not meaning that the dog owner was not responsible; I >> meant that there are more responsible cat dog owners in my street than [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > MaryL Lol I guess this is a topic close to all of our hearts. > One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their > house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to let their cat wander, and the rest of the world has to look after it. > Some people are stupid. >>> So what if those dogs maul another dog or a child or causes a car to crash ? It's the other dogs, childs, cars fault? I dont think so. What if someone wants to leash walk their cat or let it sit in their front garden? Alison > So what if those dogs maul another dog or a child or causes a car to crash > ? A dog chasing and killing a cat is much different than a dog attacking another dog or child. Dogs see cats as prey - they see other dogs as invading their territory or as possible mates and many (most?) dogs who would kill a cat wouldn't think twice about attacking a human. I can guarantee that if my dog had the chance, she would kill our neighbor's cats that are in our yard almost every day - sher has tried to catch them many times and has come close on occassion. On the flip side, she will growl and bark at other dogs who come into our yard, but has many dog friends she gets along with well, at the local dog park. She also adores children and would never, in a million years, bite one unless it was by accident (say if the child fell on her or something). That being said, I never allow any child around my dog (not even my own) unsupervised because such accidents *can* happen. > It's the other dogs, childs, cars fault? I dont think so. > What if someone wants to leash walk their cat or let it sit in their front > garden? If one's cat is killed on one's own propery, it is the fault of the dog owner. If the cat is killed elsewhere, it is the fault of the cat owner. -L. >> So what if those dogs maul another dog or a child or causes a car to >> crash [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > -L. Thankyou. That was the only point I was trying to make. i have two terriers, and they are lovely dogs, but if a cat, rat, rabbit, or other small animal turned up in my yard, they would see it as prey, and chase and worry it. I haven't trained them to do this, or beaten or mistreated them, but they are terriers. It is their instinct. Just as my cat will hunt my bird and kill it if I let the bird fly around the room. >> One of our neighbours has a shrine to their cat out the front of their >> house, with a large sign saying 'please restrain your dogs' and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > garden? > Alison Agreed. It is definitely the dog owner's responsibility to keep it in. But you can't say that a cat owner can blame anyone other than themself if they let their cat wander and something happens to it. Dogs will chase cats, it is their instinct. And cars will hit cats, and cruel people will do cruel things. Those are the hazards of letting your cat outside daily. Leash walking cats is a very uncommon practise here. |
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