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Vinnie34 - 24 Sep 2006 18:47 GMT I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at night. I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between 2:00 am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help!
Gail - 24 Sep 2006 20:02 GMT Do you keep food out for him at night? Gail
>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at > night. > I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between > 2:00 > am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help! Kenda - 25 Sep 2006 06:25 GMT try umm staying in bed until you wnat to get up and maybe adapting his yowling to a different time..basically ignore him until say the time you are up for the day say in my case its about 5 in the morning. Feed him when you get up everymorning and right before you go to bed at night...I have an alarm clock cat too of course I want him to be that way...and it can be rather irritating not to mention a noise nuisance if you live in an apartment...also make sure that you scoop his/her litter box every night before going to bed and see if htat helps...you could even set an alarm that gets you up at the same time each day and feed him only ater the alarm goes off and see if he starts to associate the alarm clock wtih the time he's suppose to yowl..and if you feed him immediately..it just might quiet him down...ignore and modify ignore and modify..-Kenda
> I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at > night. > I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between 2:00 > am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help! boot - 26 Sep 2006 11:57 GMT > I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at > night. > I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between 2:00 > am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help! I read recently that someone who researched why cats meow determined it was for attention.
I have a yowly half siamese cat. She quiets down if I pick her up and carry her around the house for a bit, so it seems like she does need some cuddly type attention.
She also gets very loud about having a can of Fancy Feast once a day. they are such creatures of habit, so if he yowls when you are getting up, he is probably trying to start off your day together with some togetherness, some bonding. Have you tried picking him up at 2 and suffocating him with some lovin? Then maybe he will let you go back to bed.
I'm a day sleeper, so my cats have adapted well to that.
Hey, good luck! Carol :)
meeee - 26 Sep 2006 15:01 GMT >I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at > night. > I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between > 2:00 > am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help! I have a yowler. Be aware that it takes up to 1 year for the hormones to disappear fully from a cat's body, so if he was only recently neutered he may still be having 'urges'. Nothing worked on mine except steadfastly ignoring him. I tried moving him to an outside pen at night, giving him attention, food. Nothing worked. He still yowls if I get up at night, but I turn the lights off again immediately and don't even talk to him or look at him (he has his own 'bedroom' with the other cats) and he stops again. Mind you it took about 2 weeks to 'break the habit' for him, and the only way was to refuse to reward the yowling with attention. Be strong!! Buy earplugs!! Give it 2 weeks....and make sure he gets sufficient daytime attention so he doesn't feel needy at night.
Vinnie34 - 27 Sep 2006 01:39 GMT >>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at >> night. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Give it 2 weeks....and make sure he gets sufficient daytime attention so he >doesn't feel needy at night. Thank you for all the helpful info, I do belive he was neutered just before I adopted him and do think he yowls all night for attention or loneliness because he quiets down when I bring him to bed with me, but gets up again after a while and starts in again, ignoring it is all I can do, but would love to get a full nights sleep....whish me luck
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 03:39 GMT >>>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls >>>at [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > after a while and starts in again, ignoring it is all I can do, but would > love to get a full nights sleep....whish me luck Good luck, I would advise not allowing him to sleep with you at this stage as he will not sleep through, but will wake periodically to yowl. I know it is hard, but shut him away from you, and don't even talk to him or open the door when he yowls; this is teaching him that by yowling he gets what he wants (your attention).Keep in mind that he doesn't need your attention he just wants it. It is not too late to train him; if you train him to yowl every time he wants something he will never stop. But if you train him that things happen at a certain time, regardless of his yowling, eg you pat him after you get up at 7am and not before, no matter how much he yowls, then he will soon stop. Right now he thinks that the minute he yowls you come running. This is not what you want him to think. You want him to think that every morning, at 7am AND NOT BEFORE you get up and lavish attention on him (or whatever time you choose). Most importantly do not respond to the yowls, no matter how heartbreaking they may be. Tell yourself that he doesn't 'need' cuddles right now, he needs cuddles regularly, but he won't be psychologically damaged or doubt you if you don't cuddle him the minute he yowls. Instead he will learn that behaving anti socially is fine and you will put up with it. Cats like routine, and the sooner you make him aware of your routine, he will feel a lot more secure, knowing that at x am you will get up and feed/pat him. This will decrease his anxiety and also the yowling. Sorry if this is over-long and convoluted but I hoep it helps. Good luck
boot - 27 Sep 2006 04:46 GMT > >>>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls > >>>at [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Message posted via CatKB.com > > http://www.catkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/cat-health/200609/1 Right on! I realized after reading your solution that what I suggested would have established a routine for the cat to yowl at 2 a.m. every day. Routine is everything with a cat. \\\\{^.".^}}~///// (cat in grass)
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 06:29 GMT >> >>>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one >> >>>yowls [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > day. Routine is everything with a cat. \\\\{^.".^}}~///// (cat in > grass) And don't I know it....(currently trying to retrain female cat not to scratch doors for attention....worse than yowling believe me!!) and I like your 'cat in grass' thing, I am never smart enough to figure out how to make those thingys.
Vinnie34 - 27 Sep 2006 22:09 GMT >>>>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls >>>>at [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >yowling. Sorry if this is over-long and convoluted but I hoep it helps. >Good luck Thank you Meeee, your suggestions make way to much sense, we will be starting a NEW routine tonight!!
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 23:03 GMT >>>>>I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one >>>>>yowls [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > starting > a NEW routine tonight!! Good luck....fingers crossed for you. Hope you have earplugs!!
chili palmer - 27 Sep 2006 22:54 GMT > Thank you for all the helpful info, I do belive he was neutered just before I > adopted him and do think he yowls all night for attention or loneliness > because he quiets down when I bring him to bed with me, but gets up again > after a while and starts in again, ignoring it is all I can do, but would > love to get a full nights sleep....whish me luck Vinnie Im not sure just why a male or any cat would do this but the thing is, how can you say "I would love to get a full nights sleep"?
how can you say that?
it's just a cat...
don't tell me you are scared he won't like you if you correct him
call it what you want
sure, mine have woke me up plenty of times..
why? uh.. i left the door to my bedroom open?
all you have to do, listen.. shut your door when the yowling starts up, chunk a can good at the bedroom door
let him know you don't like it
these low thudding sounds won't scare him so bad that it injures him
I guarantee you it will work on the second or third can.. and thereafter, on the second can and thereafter on the first can
and soon.. maybe once a week.. and soon.. no more.
they are dumb little creatures compared to us. they don't understand our needs he means no harm, he doesn't know how important your sleep is
throw something at the door.. he will stop
keep on f.cking around with him, let him know you're a pussy about it too
you pussy! lol
VINNIE IS A PUSSY
chili palmer - 27 Sep 2006 05:38 GMT > I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls at > night. > I've taken his to the vet, tried ALL suggestions, but each night between 2:00 > am and 5:00am when I get up he yowls...Help! can't you just put that look of shame on him? no you cannot, you're pussy whipped
look, i hate to be ugly about this, i really want to help.. but you're gonna have to pretend that you are going to f.ck the cat up
just pretend
they like that
get you a couple of cans of green beans or cans of corn
when he yowls.. go upside the wall, or the door, or the floor with the green beans or corn!
if that don't break him, get a broom and come down beside him..
WHAM!
I TOLD YOU MUTHERFUCKER YOU AINT' GONNA RUN THIS f.cking HOUSE!!!
WHAM! WHAM! WHAM! (chase him with it)...
make him go under the bed... he'll stop
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 06:29 GMT >> I adopted a 6 yr. old nutered male cat 6 mths ago who from day one yowls >> at [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > make him go under the bed... > he'll stop Um, yeah, that sounds like a great plan. Ignore everyone else's advice and do this....yeah, that will REALLY make your cat happy. Trust him. He knows. In fact he knows everything. If you ask him that is.....
chili palmer - 27 Sep 2006 06:49 GMT > Um, yeah, that sounds like a great plan. Ignore everyone else's advice and > do this....yeah, that will REALLY make your cat happy. Trust him. He knows. > In fact he knows everything. If you ask him that is..... cat wants to go outside HE CAN'T GO OUTSIDE
not now not ever
i suppose you wants to "ask" the cat, what he wants, ha
he will say, "I wanna go outside dad, please!"
you have to overwrite his programming, it's not a pretty thing but neither is yowling in the middle of the night
i figure dude didn't come here to play tiddly winks, he wanted solutions something that would work
you have to see him his yowling and raise him something, it's got to be bigger than the yowling
for example, I am engrossed in solitude just now.. no cats.. i love them real good, they love me.. but.. if i let them, they would be all over my bed, on the mantle, under the bed, on the keyboard, sampling my snacks etc... that's their jobs
you've heard of collectors, people who take in alot of cats we have a few of them here in this news group
they keep taking cats on, or some of the cats have litters and they just keep spreading like wildfire... totally irresponsible, but I don't condemn the collectors.. it's another subject someone should bring up
every single collector story i've ever heard ends in one of two ways (so far I've never seen an exception)
one, the collector abandons the hive or local authorities come in and remove the cats
how many stories have we heard where neighbors report a smell, the authorities show up and find, cats in the walls, cats crapping on everything, no food.. dead cats.. etc.. we all know a cat will eat a cat, a cat will eat its owner the collector will eventually abandon for mental preservation
this is the same thing that is going on with the original poster, he is being depraved of sleep (thats what happens with collectors.. it's one of the reasons they abandon)
soo. without sleep.. the OP's job and family is going to be affected.. (eventually)
a human should run the home and decide the rules, not the cat the op has a real challenge in removing this leapords spots
if he pussyfoots around with this.. it's going to frustrate the cat if he stalks the cat and pretends he is going to "do something" to the cat... he is sending a very clear message, one that the yowler will get on the first or second lesson.
alot like two alley cats fighting. one will reach out and scream bloody murder and at the same time slice off some of it's opponents ear.. a very clear message
it's just my view
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 07:36 GMT >> Um, yeah, that sounds like a great plan. Ignore everyone else's advice >> and [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > it's just my view Ok fair enough. i don't think you need to worry though. I've lived through yowling cats without hitting them with brooms, I agree you have to think like a cat, but like the cats mother or littermate, not opponent. Yes they do that, the ear slicing etc but they don't exactly like each other afterwards. I think that the OP wants his cat to like him still; so retraining him is half the battle. Right now he is sending the message 'yowl and you get what you want' Unfortunately cats' don't connect 'yowl' and 'whack with a broom' as, IME, they only think about getting what they want. Animals tend to blame negative events with the area or person causing the event in their eyes. They don't link negative events with their behaviour. If they did, your approach would work. But the cat doesn't understand that yowling is annoying, just that yowling= attention. So withdraw the yowling-linked attention, and the yowling stops. I have 6 cats and I run my home. We have rules that they follow. One of which is not annoying people at night, and during meal times.
chili palmer - 27 Sep 2006 12:37 GMT I have 6 cats and I run my
> home. We have rules that they follow. One of which is not annoying people at > night, and during meal times. That's a good handful of cats, have you shared pictures yet?
maybe Vic needs to hide the fact that he's up in the middle fo the night every night
after all, Yowlie on yowls after Vic get up
meeee - 27 Sep 2006 23:03 GMT > I have 6 cats and I run my >> home. We have rules that they follow. One of which is not annoying people [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > after all, Yowlie on yowls after Vic get up Here's pics....www.pacificatscairns.blogspot.com
And cats can hear you even when you're really, really quiet. Mine still yowl when I wake up, just in case. I just shut the door and ignore them, and they stop when they realize it isn't working. When I used to try and 'comfort' them (there are actually 2 yowlers, 1 is worse as he's Siamese and very loud) they would yowl loudly for hours. The Siamese figured out that I could hear him through my adjoining window if he yowled loudly out of the left side of his window. I even tried to move him outside into the enclosure overnight, but he just yowled all night and woke the neighbours then. He is very affectionate (as Vic's cat sounds) and would love to spend 24 hours with me. However the continual Siamese commentary on life (apart from the yowls) is not conducive to sleep,....
boot - 28 Sep 2006 03:03 GMT Nice pics! Good action photos! Beautiful poozies. I really enjoyed seeing them.
Carol
Re making the cat in the grass: I started out with just the ears and eye dots, then started looking around on the keyboard until I found suitable shapes to incorporate. It took a long time to make the first one. :)
meeee - 28 Sep 2006 06:28 GMT > Nice pics! Good action photos! Beautiful poozies. I really enjoyed > seeing them. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > suitable shapes to incorporate. It took a long time to make the first > one. :) Very clever!!! I'll have to try...and thanks!! Can you tell I like orange tabbies??
chili palmer - 28 Sep 2006 16:47 GMT > Here's pics....www.pacificatscairns.blogspot.com Very nice blog! Thanks for sharing
You and your cats are very cute
meeeee, you cats just don't know you dislike the yowling
I'm not knocking any passive/agressive method, and I don't think just because something works that it's neccessarily the best way
You know how I feel. I'd get up and scatter me some cats and they would love me for it.
I think the rule is, in the end, when you are actually just making some noise... putting a little healthy fear and respect in them.. this is not damaging to them
You wouldn't know it to listen to me talk, but both my cats wallow me at will.
there's just some things I can't let them get by with. Yowling is one of them.
scratching on my door is another... but they come in here very often, just sometimes I'd rather them not be in here swirling around or laying over there jeering at me.
they can lay in here all they want, just not jeer at me.
big ol eyes just lay and look atcha.. Im not having it, lol.
i tell em.. "go on, laying there looking at me"..
I go rough'em up wiht a few big kisses on the neck and they hop down
then they are like.. "stop with all the kisses already"
muuuu hahahaha
meeee - 28 Sep 2006 22:00 GMT Lol well, I'm sure you know how to keep your cats in line....i have siamese so they tend to be a bit highly strung; they are the yowlers. I also have domestic shorthairs, who are a lot more robust, and can handle the odd shoe thrown at them. But when in doubt go gently, and as I don't know the OP's cats, softly softly IYKWIM. Being the 'leader of the pack' so to speak is the most important thing. I had to remind one of my boys last night; my hubby is a bit of a softy and has started giving him bits during dinner time, so now he thinks he's running the house!! He was almost grabbing food off plates, not on IMO. I used the spray bottle quite liberally; he was saturated before he would give up, I'll have to keep at him over the next couple of days, he's very smart (and a smart aleck too!) Sounds like you love your cats....got any pictures??
>> Here's pics....www.pacificatscairns.blogspot.com > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > muuuu hahahaha cybercat - 29 Sep 2006 00:32 GMT > Lol well, I'm sure you know how to keep your cats in line....i have > siamese so they tend to be a bit highly strung; they are the yowlers. When my cats bug me ...
I just pick them up and rough up their furr and kiss them and squeeze them and love on them and sing to them and examine their little feet and play with their tales and check their eyes for boogies and their coats for knots and their skin for bumps and rub their tummies and check their ears to see if they are dirty and flip them on their backs and hold them like little babies.
It's usually a while before they bother me again.
meeee - 29 Sep 2006 03:56 GMT >> Lol well, I'm sure you know how to keep your cats in line....i have >> siamese so they tend to be a bit highly strung; they are the yowlers. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > It's usually a while before they bother me again. LMAO I can see it now.... that works for my boy...but not my girl. She's interfering with my typing as we speak....
chili palmer - 29 Sep 2006 02:04 GMT he was
> saturated before he would give up, I'll have to keep at him over the next > couple of days, he's very smart (and a smart aleck too!) Sounds like you > love your cats.... I can picture that! chomp chomp chomp... your cat must have a little bit of doggie in him
>got any pictures?? I do, Ill have to dig some up, or, make some more... my web cam is just a cheapy, but does good, if there's plenty of light
Lucy is the oldest, she's about 8 yrs old Jupiter is my baby, she's going on one year
Jupiter is fearless, she likes to ride on my shoulders through the house she's extremely vocal, loves to follow me around chatting with me.
She likes me to chase her, I guess that's normal
ill be back, going to make some fresh kitty porn
meeee - 29 Sep 2006 04:02 GMT > he was >> saturated before he would give up, I'll have to keep at him over the next [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > ill be back, going to make some fresh kitty porn oooh yes please!! Can't wait...I just got my new Siamese girl yesterday and my hubby is, well, he's a dog person and we now have 7 cats....but he'll get over it, I bought him a 1kg bag of pistachios to soften him up. Waiting on the pictures.....:)
chili palmer - 29 Sep 2006 04:04 GMT got any pictures??
http://picasaweb.google.com/bigbadbarry/
here is some pics I just made
they didn't mind sitting still, they liked the warm light on them
Lucy is still a bit skittish overall, she broke her leg once, her previous owner had the leg set with steel pins... I've had Lucy and Jupiter right about the same length of time. I got Jupiter when she was just a fuzzy little black kitten... climbing on me hiding inside my jacket, like I say, she's about one year old now.
meeee - 29 Sep 2006 05:10 GMT They are stunners; I love black cats....I don't have one at the mo, but one day....I liked the photos; very mysterious; you managed to catch their catness which is not easy!! Thanks!!
> got any pictures?? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > just a fuzzy little black kitten... climbing on me hiding inside my > jacket, like I say, she's about one year old now. chili palmer - 29 Sep 2006 05:20 GMT > They are stunners; I love black cats....I don't have one at the mo, but one > day....I liked the photos; very mysterious; you managed to catch their > catness which is not easy!! Thanks!! yure welcome and thanks
talking about letting cats outside, I have a neat little privacy fence around the inner back yard tomorrow I want to go around the top inside with a 2' strip of kennel wire.. Im going to make it so it hangs almost horizontal, but more upward... hope this keeps them in.
otherwise, ill just have to invest in some conventional fence topping for cats
meeee - 29 Sep 2006 05:49 GMT >> They are stunners; I love black cats....I don't have one at the mo, but >> one [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > otherwise, ill just have to invest in some conventional fence topping > for cats Yep, I'd love to do that....we're renting atm, so there's not a lot I can do, but I have plans (cue evil larfter) I've been researching and seen some very creative ideas; one lady had made an 'alcatraz' with a wire slated fence topped by a wire that slanted inwards on an angle, exactly like those security fences, except the other way around. Although she mostly had persians and himalayans, which aren't exactly the most energetic cats,so I'm not sure whether a Siamese would get over it. The other thing she had in some spots was a foot and a half high strip of plexiglass; nearly invisible, and the cats couldn't get a grip to climb over it...probably a bit exxy tho. Keep me posted, as I'd like to know how your ideas work/don't work...
Kenda - 01 Oct 2006 03:58 GMT I am not sure who you are..but you obviosly don't know anything but stereotypes about cats..I work with three service cats..two of which comfortable accompany me in the community...All three wear harnesses and do just fine..I am more concerned with dogs being outsdie lose than cats...if you would like to see my condition signaler Aladdin at work take a look at the picture section of working_cats@yahoo.com..and if someone wants to figure it out and tell me how to put pictures here I will...al my cats are very comfortable in harness and leash and two of them walk quite well on leash..I have a specific technique for leash breaking...were you the one who suggested advantage? I would like to point out that frontline might be a better choice as not to be mixed up with advantix..I have to admit I have used the soft part of a broom to get certain cats out of dangerous situations but beating cats is one of those borderline personality things..have you checked with your local mental health services...cats happen to be very easy to train...from someone with phsyical, mental, and developement disabilities, GROW UP! I wonder if free feeding might help with all this yowling or telling thee cat ssshhh its a natural sign of danger...Aladdin has been trained to do reiki as well and it seems to have attuned his condition signalling response immensely..Anyone else who has a service cat who wants to register him/her Service ANimal of America is a good choice...<grin> -Kenda
> > Um, yeah, that sounds like a great plan. Ignore everyone else's advice and > > do this....yeah, that will REALLY make your cat happy. Trust him. He knows. [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > it's just my view
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