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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / October 2006Kitten advice
Around 8:00pm found a 10 day old kitten on our Balcony (how she got there, I do not know). She may have been there since Thursday night; one of our condo-mates heard a cat downstairs and thought it was one of ours, and our cats showed interest at the balcony. She has some eye damage and a possible upper resp, but my main issue is she will not eat from a nipple, though she is searching around for food (I assume) and crying up a storm. ((Another issue is getting the nipple prepped correctly, though I may have solved that one.)) ALL hint and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. This board was essential last year when I found my last kitten, who was also blind (and still is). She is a terror, but we still love her :-) My sister who is a veterinarian came over and could not get her to eat. While we used an eye dropper to place milk replacer in her mouth, we don't want her to aspirate. My sister thinks she should be good till morning, and then obviously we should go to our own vet (already planned). If the guano hits the fan tonight, I will take the kitten to an emergency clinic. Derek email: njwatcher@hotmail.com AIM: Hicktock. Thanks Derek 10 days old! That is incredible. Do you have apartments above you? Could she have fallen? You probably know she needs to be kept nice and warm since kittens rely on the nest and littermates for heat. I don't have any good advice on feeding. I had to feed a 7 week old with a syringe, but not a newborn. That's great that you're getting care for her. Good luck tomorrow and let us know how she's doing. Rhonda > Around 8:00pm found a 10 day old kitten on our Balcony (how she got > there, I do not know). She may have been there since Thursday night; [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Derek > 10 days old! That is incredible. Do you have apartments above you? Could > she have fallen? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Its 1:45AM, doing the 2hr feeding thing. I think I got her to eat last shift, unsure of this shift. And I successfully got her to pish (all over my shirt and pants), now just to get her to deficate. Next feed- 3:30 AM. Derek >>10 days old! That is incredible. Do you have apartments above you? Could >>she have fallen? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > over my shirt and pants), now just to get her to deficate. Next feed- > 3:30 AM. What a night! How is kitty this morning? Rhonda > What a night! How is kitty this morning? > > Rhonda Fed again at 3:30,5:30,7:30. Figured out an acceptable bottle/teet at 5:30 and she drank away, as well as urinated, again at 7:30. At 9:15 we were at the vet (cat labeled as "E" seeing she does not have a name"). Vet guessed she was around 2 weeks, upper resp and eye infections, eyes swollen. Needs to be fed every 2-4hrs (will be fun seeing I and fiance work 30mins-hr from home ). 2 meds, come back in a week,etc. Luckly they knocked off 20 off the bill and I know they will not charge us for next week or all the following check ups (unless there are more issues). Vet warned us kittens are abdandoned for a reason and said there is a 50% mortality rate.... So kitten was fed again at 10:30, and now 1: 00(fiance slept through her shift seeing I didn't sleep last night). So thats where we are now. Meds will be now, and tonight. She will be in quarenteen for a bit. Still no feces. Derek You are sooo wonderful to take care of this little kitten. Keep us posted. Gail >> What a night! How is kitty this morning? >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Derek > You are sooo wonderful to take care of this little kitten. Keep us posted. > Gail As of the 5:00pm feed, I think she has become a little weaker (I hope I am wrong). I will be feeding her again at 7, and then I am off to do EMS for the evening (I volunteer every Sat night at the local 1st Aid Squad). I am sure I will be brining a crew back to visit. My fiancé will be medicating her tonight as well as feeding (hopefully every 2hrs). She still has not defecated. This has me worried. I have done the stimulation every time, and she urinates, just no feces. Derek >> You are sooo wonderful to take care of this little kitten. Keep us posted. >> Gail [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Derek Not defecating has me worried, too. Is her little tummy swollen? She needs to get the toxins out of her system. How are you stimulating her to poop? A little warm water on a tissue -- rubbing very gently should do it. It may be explosive when it does happen since it's been a while now. Do keep trying. You need to get that poop out of her. I know it's a struggle. Keep trying. I admire your dedication and persistence. Eva > Not defecating has me worried, too. Is her little tummy swollen? She > needs to get the toxins out of her system. How are you stimulating her to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Eva > --411118345-1587461962-1159052899=:17789-- Nothing as of 9:53pm. Just tried warm water on a towel, same rubbing style to get her to urinate. I am at a loss. People have said its because she may have not gotten food, but at this point, she has gotten formula for 24hrs+. Someone else said the formula leaves them constipated- either way I am worried. Derek >> Not defecating has me worried, too. Is her little tummy swollen? She >> needs to get the toxins out of her system. How are you stimulating her [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Derek Don't stress out about her defecating yet. Sometimes it can take a few days for kitties to start doing that once they go on the bottle. You don't know how long the kitten was without food and she didn't start eating for you right away. Nothing in, nothing out. Just try simulating her for about a minute max. If she doesn't poo by then she's not going to at that time. I've had a number of kittens wait 2 - 3 days to start pooing after I've gotten them to foster. What type of bottle/nipple did she finally settle on? I've found many of the really young kittens prefer the long skinny nipples at first http://www.petag.com/products_items.asp?SubcategoryID=14&CategoryID=2 I have to be really careful cutting the hole in the end to leave it small enough and have to be careful to pull back on the nipple when they are feeding so they don't intubate themselves on it. The shape seems to be more acceptable to the little ones. Once they get used to nursing on the bottle I switch to the shorter nipples. The kittens also seem to prefer bottles that aren't too stiff. They like them to collapse sort of like a playtex nurser bag. The biggest danger with URI in bottle feeders is to keep them from aspirating formula. Here's a link that pretty much covers most concerns. Hope it helps. http://www.kittenrescue.org/handbook.htm Good luck with your kitty. W > Don't stress out about her defecating yet. Sometimes it can take a few days > for kitties to start doing that once they go on the bottle. You don't know [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > W its 11:55AM. We actually just got back from the emergency clinic and they stated pretty much the same thing. Thankfully they also did not charge for the visit. They said if she doesnt by the morning, bring her in to my vet clinic. They also gave me a few different methods to try. I have the bottle/product on the web link. She did not like the longer nipple, so I went back to a shorter one. I fear aspiration sometimes with her, but so far so good. Thank you for the link and I will keep you up to date. Derek > its 11:55AM. We actually just got back from the emergency clinic and > they stated pretty much the same thing. Thankfully they also did not [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thank you for the link and I will keep you up to date. Derek, You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! Try to get some sleep, though. You need your strength if you are going to help people and kittens! Take care, Rhonda > You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rhonda Its 4:24. just had another feeding. No feces yet (sounding like a broken record). But she is eating soundly. I slept in car as my fiance drove to a tasting at the hall we are doing our reception at. My next plan is to sleep to 6:00, which is the next feeding. TY Derek You're doing terrific work in helping this kitten, Derek. I hope she makes it. Gail >> You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Derek > You're doing terrific work in helping this kitten, Derek. I hope she makes > it. > Gail 6:24 feeding. I have taken a plethora of photos on my cell. Taking some on my camera and will try to post them online. I hope she lives as well. Derek >>You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Derek Derek, When she poops -- let's have a big party. Everyone will be required to wear brown... Rhonda >>>You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > When she poops -- let's have a big party. Everyone will be required to > wear brown... hahaha! I love this idea! The theme song could be a take off on the Cindi Lauper song, we could call it "She poop!" You know ... "I poop, you poop, we poop ... ohhhh SHE POOP!" :D >>>>You're an angel. That kitty picked the right balcony! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > :D Hey, let's invite Cyndi to the party too! That song would be perfect. I sure hope we have a chance to sing it soon. Rhonda to 6:> > When she poops -- let's have a big party. Everyone will be required to > wear brown... > > Rhonda Lol- I agree! A large weight will be taken off my chest as well. When she poops I know she will survive (at least this hurtle). Derek > Derek, > > When she poops -- let's have a big party. Everyone will be required to > wear brown... > > Rhonda Just wipped this up: http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=390077 Derek Adorable kitten, Derek. We are all pulling for her. Gail >> Derek, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Derek > > Derek, > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Derek What an adorable kitten. I do hope she makes it. > Derek, > > When she poops -- let's have a big party. Everyone will be required to > wear brown... > > Rhonda Just whipped this up: http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=390077 Derek > As of the 5:00pm feed, I think she has become a little weaker (I hope I > am wrong). I will be feeding her again at 7, and then I am off to do > EMS for the evening (I volunteer every Sat night at the local 1st Aid > Squad). I am sure I will be brining a crew back to visit. My fiancé > will be medicating her tonight as well as feeding (hopefully every > 2hrs). It's so great of you to take care of this baby. > She still has not defecated. This has me worried. I have done the > stimulation every time, and she urinates, just no feces. Did you talk about timing at the vet's, about how long it should take? If not, maybe you could call an emergency clinic to get an idea of when this should happen. I don't know about kittens, but I know it takes awhile for a system to start after not having food. Oh wait, your sis is a vet -- could you ask her if this is normal? I'm sure the kitty is exhausted from the vet trip, I hope she perks up soon. Me and the cats here are rooting for her... Rhonda > Did you talk about timing at the vet's, about how long it should take? > If not, maybe you could call an emergency clinic to get an idea of when [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rhonda She didn't make a peep going to the vet (at the vet was another story). Its 6:36AM; I haven't gotten any sleep now for 2 days (last night was a sh.t-load of EMS calls). Beth (my sis) says she has gas, and its not normal. I do not wish to bother Beth at the moment (giving her a day off), she just found out one of her cats is in liver failure (only 5 yrs old). If by 4pm today the kitten hasn't defecated, I will be going to the emergency clinic. I plan to call them between now and then at least. Derek Right now I have an Ambulance at my house so I can take township calls AND watch the kitten, don't know if thats sad or dedicated. > Derek > > Right now I have an Ambulance at my house so I can take township calls > AND watch the kitten, don't know if thats sad or dedicated. Dedicated. I'm following your story, pulling for the baby cat. If by 4pm today the kitten hasn't defecated, I will be going > to the emergency clinic. Put 2 drops of vegetable oil in her formula then give her a warm bath about 20 minutes later- make sure the water is warm and deep enough to cover her butt. If she doesn't go in the bath or within a few minutes after the bath, squirt a few drops of mineral oil in her butt with a plastic eyedropper or catheter-tip syringe. Do not ever give a cat mineral oil in the mouth- cats can aspirate mineral oil very easily because its tasteless and odorless. Turn up the heat in your house before you give her the bath and dry her as quickly and as thoroughly as possible. Don't turn the heat down until she's dry. If all this doesn't work, don't wait until 4 PM to take her to the emergency clinic. Good luck, Phil > If by 4pm today the kitten hasn't defecated, I will be going > > to the emergency clinic. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Phil TY- going to try the oil in the food at the 8pm feeding if she doesn't fecal after she is done eating. Two vets stated at the moment not to try the roto rooter root yet. Derek "Njwatcher" <njwatcher@hotmail.com> wrote in message > TY- going to try the oil in the food at the 8pm feeding if she doesn't > fecal after she is done eating. Two vets stated at the moment not to > try the roto rooter root yet. I'd be looking for two new vets if I were you. Mineral oil in the butt would be administered *past* the blockage- not before. Its only a lubricant and also impedes the colon from absorbing water from the feces. P. > If by 4pm today the kitten hasn't defecated, I will be going > > to the emergency clinic. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Phil Forgot to post we went at 10-11ist to the emergency clinic (posted earlier in the thread to someone else). She has some feces in her. The vet there stated if she hasn't defecated by morning, goto my main vet. I am ready to take off of work (It also doesn't hurt I did not get any sleep last night due to drunk drivers crashing all night, (but that's not the thread here :-) and feeding the kitten ). I am off to torture the kitten- updates to come. And to everyone reading- sorry for spelling and grammar- lets see how you write on lack of sleep :-0) I think this is a test actually- 1: My fiancé and I were discussing what our next pet would be- I said cat/she said dog (this is when we buy a home)- I said whatever pet shows up at our door........... 2: I guess this is what a kid will be like :-) Derek > > What a night! How is kitty this morning? > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Derek Best of luck with the little fuzzball. You realize if she makes it she'll be very bonded with you. > Best of luck with the little fuzzball. You realize if she makes it > she'll be very bonded with you. Thank you Derek It's now 10:21pm on 9-24-06. 8pm, 10pm feeding have come and gone. She is getting bloated (at least I and Mair (my fiancé) think so. She has a healthy appetite. I do not want to try the oil in the food due to if she is blocked somehow, I fear painful results. If she does not have a movement at 6 AM, I may try it at 8 AM. She will be going to the vet at 9AM (when they open) if there are no results. Derek She is such a precious thing. I LOVED her picture! She is so tiny. Looks like she has a little orange in her tabby face. She has a few hours yet -- I'm hoping she leaves you a little surprise by morning. You've probably had lots of advice already about how to do it, but here's more -ha! The following is part of this website: ----------------------------------------------------------- http://www.valleycatsinc.org/bottlebabies/bottlebabies.htm You have probably seen momcats stimulating their babies to urinate and defecate by licking their hind quarters. This job is now up to you, and the younger the kitten is, the more important this becomes. Young kittens cannot urinate or defecate on their own. • After each feeding, hold the kitten so that you can gently massage the lower abdomen, genital and rectal areas to stimulate urination and/or defecation. Use a warm moist paper towel, small piece of cloth, cotton ball or cotton pad. • Massage only enough to stimulate. Too much and you might irritate the tender skin and cause chafing. • Be sure the area is clean and dry when you put the kitten back in its bed. • Kittens will almost always urinate. They should defecate at least once a day. It may take up to one minute of gentle massage before a kitten “poops,” so be patient. If a kitten does not defecate after two days, call your vet or rescue organization for advice. ----------------------------------------------------------- Don't know if there's anything new there. I'm still rooting for the poop! Rhonda > It's now 10:21pm on 9-24-06. 8pm, 10pm feeding have come and gone. > She is getting bloated (at least I and Mair (my fiancé) think so. She [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Derek > She is such a precious thing. I LOVED her picture! She is so tiny. Looks > like she has a little orange in her tabby face. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Rhonda I know and wished she left a gift; at this point I would be happy with a mess. She is bloated at her mid-section. Just finished the 12:00AM feeding. My fiancé' will be doing the 2:00AM. I normally count to 60 while gently rubbing the back area. She is a pro at urinating, a future Olympian even with distance shots. Defecating, well, she needs some help at. Both receptionists at the emergency clinic are fosters and gave me things try- both which have not worked. Two people online have suggested oil in the feed. I will try that as a last ditch effort, if I dont break down and head to the emergency clinic prior to going to my vet at 9. Thank god for understanding work places and having a butload of vacation days left over for this year. Derek 4:34AM now. Finished with the 4:00am feeding. She ate 1+teaspoon of formula. Still, sounding like a broken record, no feces to write home about. She is bloated and possibly painful to the touch in the hind abdominal region, as well as anal region. I think I will be missing work and she will be going to the vet barring a miracle within the next 2 feedings. Derek "Njwatcher" <njwatcher@hotmail.com> wrote in message > She is bloated at her mid-section. Just finished the 12:00AM > feeding. My fiancé' will be doing the 2:00AM. Have you tried diluting the formula? Less formula and more water- just keep the total volume the same or a little less. If she's bloating and not pooping and you're seeing your vet this morning, I'd probably cut the next feeding in half. >I do not want to try the oil in the food due >to if she is blocked somehow, I fear painful results. Mineral oil is a lubricant laxative- not a stimulate laxative or colonic prokinetic agent. Mineral oil slows water absorption from the feces by the colon which keeps the feces soft and moist and easier to pass. It also allows the feces to form to the size and shape of the colon, rectum and anus. > If she does not >have a movement at 6 AM, I may try it at 8 AM. She will be going to the >vet at 9AM (when they open) if there are no results. Ask you vet to take an x-ray to rule out foreign bodies or congenital defects. Good luck Phil I will hit up all your reply's here. She will most likely be going in at 8:00 am (its 5:40 now). (And for those who wonder, seeing I have been on almost all hours of the day and night, yes I have a life and work, but kitten is 1st :-) ). Praying that there are not any congenital defects. I presume x-rays and other fun will happen this morning if my veterinarian cannot get her to defecate. I think she is more than qualified to get the job done. Per the cutting back on food/dilution; in a few minutes she will get her meds and I a limited feeding and see how it goes. After that I will be hopefully seeing the veterinarian. Latest update: As of the vet at 9:00, the doc states she is not in distress in bloat. She stuck a thermometer tip in a cm and there was some fecal matter on the end (a + sign). She said if the kitten still has not defecated by tomorrow 9:00, to bring her in. The kitten ate for a good 1-2 minutes for the Dr. I fed her again at 10, and will leave work early and continue the 2hr cycle again before 2pm. Derek Are you waking her up to eat or is she demanding food every two hours? W > Latest update: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Derek > Are you waking her up to eat or is she demanding food every two hours? > > W While I have not thought of it, for the most part she is napping when I come to the carrier. I/we take her out and clean her, then feed her if she want to eat (present the nipple/bottle to her, and I cannot think of a time she has not eaten). Every so often I come by the carrier and she is rummaging around and I will sooth her, and when she is again sleepy, place her back in. Instead of making a new post - figured I would also share the rest of today in this post as well. (took a half day of work just to feed the kitten and goto the vet). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Went to the vet today. She said she does not feel the kitten is bloated. She also probed with the tip of a thermometer, and there was some fecal matter. Since we do not know the last time the kitten ate, she said see if she defecates tonight. If nothing by tomorrow, bring her in at 9:00am, when they open. She also ate at the vet's office, and at 10:00am when I brought her home. She ate close to a tablespoon at 2:00pm when I fed her again. (She is in her box mewing away right now). When I got home, I was talking to 2 of our condo's supers (replacing our air conditioning unit which burnt out). One of them said he saw a mother cat carrying kittens away on either Friday or Saturday from our unit's location and taking them to a tunnel by our house. This relieves me; at least some SOB didn't abandon the kitten on our patio. He said the mother carried off a few kittens that were pretty small, but he said orange (not the kittens color, but I have seen litters of mixed baggage). I later showed the other super the kitten. He fell in love with it immediately. He said that if I was looking for a home for her, he would adopt the kitten for his daughter. His family, along with 39 other people were just recently displaced by a fire by our condo (a sister condominium across the highway). They lost their pets in their blaze (a rabbit and a cat of 15 years. Although it took 4hrs for the fire to get to his unit, the fire chief would not let him go retrieve his pets). The super stated his wife has experience nursing kittens, and is home during the day. (They already rescued another kitten from the condo, which is now 2 months old). I told him I would get back in touch with him once I know the health of the kitten and where we stand with her. > Went to the vet today. She said she does not feel the kitten is > bloated. She also probed with the tip of a thermometer, and there was > some fecal matter. Since we do not know the last time the kitten ate, > she said see if she defecates tonight. If nothing by tomorrow, bring > her in at 9:00am, when they open. [...]> I later showed the other super the kitten. He fell in love with it > immediately. > He said that if I was looking for a home for her, he would adopt the > kitten for his daughter. Wow, Derek, this is wonderful news, that you found her a home. The fire story is just tragic, so sad. Now if she will just poop! She sounds like she is feeling GOOD, so I bet you see some poop tonight. You are so terrific for giving so much to this baby. It will come back to you tenfold. Bless you. > Wow, Derek, this is wonderful news, that you found her a home. > The fire story is just tragic, so sad. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You are so terrific for giving so much to this baby. It will come > back to you tenfold. Bless you. Do on to others as you would want them to do for you or for your pets. My family has been rescuing animals well before I was born. My sisters became a veterinarian (we are a year apart), and I intended to be a veterinarian from 3yrs old until senior year of college, where that dream crashed hard. I hope she goes soon. Even though I will not be getting sleep tonight, I will rest easier knowing she isn't blocked. Seeing the fecal matter at the vets was a slight relief. If it means getting hit with explosive excretive, I don't mind :-) Derek Man, it will be hard to let that baby go to another home, won't it? What a sweet thing. I'm glad to hear that the vet is not too worried yet and that stuff seems to be making its way through. If the kitten is not bloated, you are probably just doing a good job feeding her and she's getting a little chubby! I will be hoping for great news tomorrow morning. When she poops, take a picture of it, okay? :) Rhonda > Went to the vet today. She said she does not feel the kitten is > bloated. She also probed with the tip of a thermometer, and there was [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > which is now 2 months old). I told him I would get back in touch with > him once I know the health of the kitten and where we stand with her. its 221 AM and nothing yet ;-(. Will do with the photo, though my fiance' will yell at me. Derek > Man, it will be hard to let that baby go to another home, won't it? What > a sweet thing. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rhonda . > When she poops, take a picture of it, okay? :) > > Rhonda http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?i=390077&j=t Question is- is that considered a good start? I'm tired and I have a global meeting in 6+hrs- lol Derek > . > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Derek Derek, The picture is a bit blurry, but I see a penny and two shapes. Those two things really came out of her? If so YYYYIIPPPPPPPEEEEEE!!!! Woo Hooooooo! Those look big for a teeny little girl. Her system is moving, congratulations!!!! Wow, got to pick out something brown to wear tomorrow... Rhonda >> . >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Rhonda Sorta been following the thread and have to tell you a bit of my story: 3 years ago I found 2 kittens that had been abandoned by their feral mama (she had 5 in one of our basement window wells, moved 3 of them and left 2 behind - one was ill (white with black spots) and one was OK (all black) - I believe, because of the coloring, she though she was leaving only the ill one behind. The ill one did not make it :( but you can see pictures of the survivor, Weeble, on my websots page, see the link in my signature). they were less than 24 hours old (still had the umbilical cord attached). The survivor took almost 3 days to have a bowel movement. I was getting worried, and could feel the bowels filling up on him. But being on a KMR (liquid) diet, it probably just took that long for something to 'build up'. When he finally did poo, it was a doozy, and he was *not* happy about it, and screamed through the whole ordeal (and continued to scream every time he poo'd until he was 6-8 weeks old & using the 'big boy' litterbox!) - it lasted for three 'rounds'. Part of his discomfort through it was that the first 'round was fairly solid - and large! I imagine it hurt his little bum! The second round was much softer (and smellier - ick), and the third was pretty squishy (think toothpaste) - and it got in the fur on his bum and tail - and he screamed because I was using a wet (!!!) washcloth to clean him up. After that, at almost every feeding, there was poo, sometimes only a smear on a tissue. Sometimes even a bit of gas to go with! Other than that, there was *always* pee at a feeding. Until one day, I think he was about 10-14 days old, he wouldn't pee at a feeding. I went to change his bedding (old towels that lined his nest box) and one corner of them was sopping wet! He was going on his own. So we fashioned an itty-bitty litterbox out of the cardboard tray that cases of canned petfood is shipped in, lined with plastic & filled with clay litter. No sooner had I put it in his nest box and he was digging around in it (making a mess tossing all the litter out) and he pee'd in it. Later that night, I heard him screaming, I thought for food, but when I checked, he was in his litterbox, and he was poo-ing! (I said that he continued to do that until he was older). Anyway, bless you for caring for this tiny creature, tentative named E.  SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)© email me at nalee1964 (at) insightbb (dot) com http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep "Rhonda" <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote : > Those look big for a teeny little girl. Her system is moving, > congratulations!!!! > > Wow, got to pick out something brown to wear tomorrow... Rhonda, thanks for the heads up in the subject line! Wooooo hoooo! Good job, Derek, you no doubt saved this little girl's life. I am wearing a lovely chocolate brown boat-necked fall sweater, 3/4 sleeve, cropped. :) It is a bit darker than kitten-poop brown, but I wear it in the spirit of celebration! YAYYYYY! >> http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?i=390077&j=t That little squinchy face is just killing me. :D > . >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Derek Excellent! Just about the color and consistency I'd expect. The belly rub probably helped get things moving too. <BG> W > http://www.catster.com/pet_page.php?i=390077&j=t > Question is- is that considered a good start? > > I'm tired and I have a global meeting in 6+hrs- lol > > Derek Awww, it's a great start! She'll be pooping a lot now, I'm sure! Yee-haw! You did it. Good on you! Eva > Awww, it's a great start! She'll be pooping a lot now, I'm sure! > > Yee-haw! You did it. Good on you! > > Eva 6:00pm on 9-26-06: On an extremely positive note, she has now defecated in 4 sitting a total of 6 links and 1 plop. I am grateful for this- it means the plumbing works and the fear of blockage or a congenital defect (on this end of the cat) is gone. Between 6am and 6pm she has finished off 3/4ths of a bottle. She has been active today, making noise, playful, and possibly teething?!? (this young? She likes chewing in fingers, its not suckling.) I also saw her begin to work out cleaning herself. On the downside. As stated, her eyes were poor when we found her. They look much better on the outside. Well, I guess looks are deceiving. I came home from work around 10, and I swore and eye looked like it was slightly bulging, the other recessed in a little. When I came home for the next feeding, the bulging eye was 1-2mm further out. BACK TO THE VET! (4th trip since Friday). Our regular vet is off today. There are 4 other vets at this practice; of which I like all of them (the newest is a little wet behind the ears AND he forgets he went to college with my work partner, so we only use him as last resort). The owner of the practice, and our other fav vet saw the kitten. He wasn't happy with what he saw :-(. He gave me Tobramycin 4x a day for her, and said "You will be back here Thursday". He also said do not expect the eye to shrink back in immediately (paraphrasing, I now forget what he said). Always an adventure. Till the next feeding, its now time to make the human food- aka dinner. Derek Keep us posted, Derek. You are doing a remarkable job and the kitten couldn't be in better hands. Gail >> Awww, it's a great start! She'll be pooping a lot now, I'm sure! >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Derek > Keep us posted, Derek. You are doing a remarkable job and the kitten > couldn't be in better hands. Absolutely. > > Till the next feeding, its now time to make the human food- aka dinner. > > > > Derek You are a hero!!! But only a real cat lover could appreciate the sight of what looks to me like fine healthy kitten poop!!! Are we weird or what? Lesley Slave of the Fabulous Furballls I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is now getting named, had to go to the vet for the 5th time today; making this 5 times in 5 days. Within the span of a feeding, a bubble formed on the bulging eye, and within the 30 minute ride to the emergency vet clinic, it ruptured. The vet said the eye is gone and will have to come out when she is spayed/neutered (my mind isn't working right now, so forgive me). She also said the other eye is probably dead as well and the kitten is blind. And to add to the fun, she again, not defecated for 24hrs (though the vet says she is fine, and I believe it at this point). Apollo, one of our other cats, wants IN to the quarantine room. I think he hears her cries. Derek > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > She also said the other eye is probably dead as well and the kitten is > blind. Oh,,, God, I am soooo sorry. I can tell how much of your heart is wrapped up in this kitten. Oh poor baby. Could they give her anything for pain? You know, blind cats can do very well. I wonder if the super will still want her? This just does not seem fair, Derek. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Nothing for the pain, but I do not know how to quantify what she is feeling, if anything. The eye will have all nerve loss very soon (paraphrasing vet). All I know from being a human EMT (every so often pet) is that eyes can be a painfull subject. Derek > > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > for pain? You know, blind cats can do very well. I wonder if the super > will still want her? This just does not seem fair, Derek. Oh gawd, I was going to ask tonight how the baby was doing. I was very afraid when I read your title that she was gone. I'm sorry about her eyes, but I think this girl is a fighter. Cats adjust so well to disabilities, no one tells them they are disabled! Our blind older cat did very well. This is a special baby. She's gone through so much already -- so have you. That rupture was probably somewhat painful, her system must be a bit upset again. Give her a cuddle from me. Rhonda > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Derek Will do. This will be our second blind cat (if we keep her ((putting a damn lot of energy into a foster if I dont)) ). Mini, our find last year, had one eye malformed, and one almost ruptured later in her kittenhood, and she was born WITHOUT upper eyelids; we had to give her artifical tears and cream. A side note: if she had eyes, I think she would be back out on the street :-) (she likes to bite daddies toes :-) ) Derek > Oh gawd, I was going to ask tonight how the baby was doing. I was very > afraid when I read your title that she was gone. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Derek > Will do. This will be our second blind cat (if we keep her ((putting a > damn lot of energy into a foster if I dont)) ). If Mini was also a stray you took in it looks like either of the parents have some sort of congenital eye problem that they are passing on to their kitties. :( SignatureNiel H "Njwatcher" <njwatcher@hotmail.com> wrote : > This will be our second blind cat (if we keep her ((putting a > damn lot of energy into a foster if I dont)) ). Oh, Derek, this is the best anyone could hope for, for you and your fiancee to keep her. I hope you decide to. I don't think I've ever seen anyone more loving and giving and dedicated to a kitten. If someone like you could take her, the tragedy of her losing her eyes somehow seems easier to take. > Mini, our find last year, had one eye malformed, and one almost > ruptured later in her kittenhood, and she was born WITHOUT upper > eyelids; we had to give her artifical tears and cream. A side note: if > she had eyes, I think she would be back out on the street :-) (she > likes to bite daddies toes :-) ) Aww, poor little thing. She is another lucky kitty. Did she lose both eyes? SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Oh, Derek, this is the best anyone could hope for, for you and your > fiancee to keep her. I hope you decide to. I don't think I've ever seen [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Aww, poor little thing. She is another lucky kitty. Did she lose both > eyes? As I sit with the kitten mewing in a towel in my lap- Today was vet trip #6, following up from vet visit #4 and #5. The vet said do not give up on the eyes just yet (the blown eye is no longer pigmented kitten blue and is still oozing gray material). The kitten also gave me more fecal samples today, so I had something to celebrate. Brought them in for a fecal. We are working on a god/mythical name for her to go with our other three brats. Per Mini (Minerva). She lost both. One was gone and fused within the eye socket when we found her ((( as a side, kitten is sleeping in lap now, dreaming away ))). The other eye lasted a few months more. We think it got scratched, and the medication we had to put on it twice daily had a steroid, which opened the wound. We removed the eye when the eye wall began to weaken. The current kitten has it worse. Derek Derek: Like the others, I hope you keep the kitten. You are her mother now and have given her the best care anyone could. Keep us posted. Gail >> Oh, Derek, this is the best anyone could hope for, for you and your >> fiancee to keep her. I hope you decide to. I don't think I've ever seen [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Derek Plutus he was a god blinded by Zeus he was the god of money and wealth he was blinded by Zeus so he could give his gifts without prejudice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus >> Oh, Derek, this is the best anyone could hope for, for you and your >> fiancee to keep her. I hope you decide to. I don't think I've ever seen [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Derek > Plutus he was a god blinded by Zeus he was the god of money and wealth > he was blinded by Zeus so he could give his gifts without prejudice > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutus Wow, that's a great name for a blind cat. Just the wrong gender. Oh well, they don't know any better. >> Plutus he was a god blinded by Zeus he was the god of money and >> wealth [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Just the wrong gender. Oh well, they don't know any better. Themis...goddess of justice, who is blindfolded??? > As I sit with the kitten mewing in a towel in my lap- Today was vet > trip #6, following up from vet visit #4 and #5. The vet said do not > give up on the eyes just yet (the blown eye is no longer pigmented > kitten blue and is still oozing gray material). The kitten also gave > me more fecal samples today, so I had something to celebrate. Brought > them in for a fecal. The poop is great news, and I hope the eyes are not as bad as first thought. The fact that she's still with you and eating and fighting is everything. As for a name, how about the muse Calliope? I can't wait to hear what you've named her. She seems like a gift. I hope she's bigger and stronger every day. Let us know when you have more pictures. I'd love to see an album of her growing up. Rhonda > I hope she's bigger and stronger every day. Let us know when you have > more pictures. I'd love to see an album of her growing up. > > Rhonda I have been taking daily photos; either with my camera or via my phone (which I need to figure out how to get to my computer). I will let you know Derek > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Derek Purrs for the poor little thing. You are doing the best for her, don't feel bad. Keep up the good work. > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Derek She probably has herpes. Why he let it get to the point of rupture is beyond me, but you may want to have the other eye removed even if it is not ruptured, if it is badly infected. She's not out of the woods yet, but obviously a fighter! Please keep us posted. She will do fine blind - many cats do. Blindness is not a lethal affliction. -L. They eye inflated and burst within 24hr hrs. When we found her, she was brought to the vet the next morning and placed on meds for her eyes; that was Sat. The outer infection cleared and the eyes stopped discharging by Monday. Tues I came home from work and noticed the eye bulging and went to the vet and got a stronger antibiotic and was told to return in 2 days- the eye ruptured in 1. The emergency vet said both eyes are dead and should be removed at spaying. She is too small to have the eye removed. (16 days old as of today). (already late for getting ready for work :-( .. ) Derek > > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -L. > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Derek Awww. Blind cats do pretty well. In fact a co-worker of mine has a blind cat and that cat has apapted very well. > Awww. Blind cats do pretty well. In fact a co-worker of mine has a blind > cat and that cat has apapted very well. Blind kitties do very well. Besides the one we own, there is a woman on catster who started a group for them. Her stories of the blind cats playing are hilarious (cats pouncing at each other and missing, etc). Minerva, while half the size of our other two cats is always at their feet. We added bells to Apollo and Athena's collar initially to help Mini. Now she hunts them by listening for it. They tolerate her to a point. She is also extremely intelligent, and problem solves (how to get up to the top of dressers where the other two seek shelter from her, etc). Derek > I will write more tomorrow (either my next feeding shift which is 2:00 > AM or tomorrow when everything has soaked in). The kitten, which is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Derek Derek, I have not been following this thread, but a friend forwarded this part of your message to me because I have a remarkable blind cat, Duffy. I am so sorry to hear about the problems your little kitty has had, but I did want to write and tell you that a blind cat can live a completely healthy, happy life. I called Duffy "remarkable," and he really is. He can do almost anything a sighted cat can do -- and I really think he is able to do some things that most cats can*not* do. He has been blind since birth, and I suspect that helped him adapt so well to his environment. Although that is not true of your kitten, she is so young that she will probably adjust quickly. Duffy was estimated to be 3-5 years old when I adopted him (3-1/2 years ago), and I expected to make all sorts of accomodations for his blindness. I soon learned that wasn't necessary. He learned to navigate in a very short time. I do not need to be concerned about where furniture is placed -- if I move a chair, I am likely to find him sitting on it within a few minutes. It's almost as if he has radar! However, you should take certain precautions since your kitten is newly blind. Keep all furniture in one position to help her learn her way around. When you pick her up, be sure to put her down in some place where she will not have any difficulty with orientation -- for example, put her down right beside (in fact, touching) a chair or sofa that she can use while she gets his bearings. In fact, it might be a good idea to put her down in the *same* location each time for awhile. That is not necessary with Duffy, but it is something you should do until you are sure that your kitten can comfortably find her way around. I have had people say, "Oh, the poor thing" when they first learn that Duffy is blind. Nothing could be further from the truth. He is a delightful, happy little guy. He loves to play, and he especially likes to play with toys where he can readily know where they are. For example, one of his favorite toys is the round toy with a track around the outside and a ball inside it with a corrugated cardboard center (for some reason, I can't remember the name of it, but it is very inexpensive and is available at WalMart and many other places), and he likes little balls made of crinkly fabric that he can hear as it rolls. More than anything, he loves his cat tree -- he swirls up and down and around the cat tree like a little gymnast. I have a number of "climbing places" thoughout the house, and he gets up and down faster than any other cat I have ever seen. He is very sure-footed and is absolutely fearless. You can see a number of pictures of Duffy if you look at the albums under my signature. To sum up, please don't let your sadness over the loss of the kitten's sight blind *you* to the myriad of possibilities for a very good life. The kitten is so young that she will quickly learn to adapt, and she can have a happy life. Please feel free to write to me by email if you have any questions. The email address attached to this message is valid except that you have to "take-out-the-litter" first. Please keep us updated. MaryL Photos of Duffy and Holly: >'o'< Duffy: http://tinyurl.com/cslwf Holly: http://tinyurl.com/9t68o Duffy and Holly together: http://tinyurl.com/8b47e > Derek, > > I have not been following this thread, but a friend forwarded this part of > your message to me because I have a remarkable blind cat, Duffy. Mary, please remind me again of Duffy's story - how did he end up in the shelter? The difference in his shelter pic and the pics of him now are remarkable. :) (As is almost always the case with kitties once they have been in a loving home for awhile...:) -L. >> Derek, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -L. Duffy had previously been adopted from the same shelter. The woman who adopted him had him for two years, then returned him with an absolutely ridiculous excuse. She said he was a "wonderful cat" (which he is!!), but despite his blindness he had gotten to one of her birds and killed it -- and "was teaching her sighted cat to get to the birds." How idiotic! Either this woman didn't have enough sense to keep her birds in a safe location or she was just trying to come up with an excuse for dumping Duffy. I think it was the latter, but I simply can't comprehend how anyone could live with such a delightful, special kitty and then return him to a shelter. It's a kill shelter, too, and she undoubtedly knew that there was a very good chance that he would be euthanized because it is difficult to place adult cats and even more difficult to place special-needs adult cats. Fortunately, the staff wanted to do everything they could to find another home for him. Shelter policy is to keep a cat for at least 14 days before euthanasia, but Duffy was in a cage at the shelter for several months. I don't know if he looked like his original photo when the woman returned him or if that is the result of being caged so long, or possibly both. They told me at the shelter that he was desperate for attention but would not eat very much. It was also very noisy there -- I could hear the constant sound of dogs barking even while I sat in the waiting room playing with Duffy. I had filled out the paperwork attached to their web site before I went there, decided almost immediately that I wanted to adopt him, and gave them the paperwork. They had several questions and approved me contingent on reference checks (primarily my veterinarian). I was required to wait 3 days before picking him up while my references were checked and their own vet gave him a final examination and routine shots. I always hate it when I see messages where people seem to look on cats as disposable objects, and I especially can't understand how anyone would give up such a remarkable little cat as Duffy. I'm actually glad I don't know who it was because I don't know what I would say if I ever met her in person -- but I now look at it as "her loss, my (and Duffy's) gain." The shelter where I adopted him is about 35 miles from my home, and I got lost both times!! I'm usually pretty good with directions, but that shelter is almost "hidden." I heard them giving directions on the phone to several people who phoned while I was there, so it appears that I am not the only one who had problems. Thanks for asking! MaryL I remember the lovely story of you adopting Duffy, Mary. You are a gem for giving him a loving, wonderful home and I am sure he has rewarded you many times over. Gail >>> Derek, >>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > MaryL >I remember the lovely story of you adopting Duffy, Mary. You are a gem for >giving him a loving, wonderful home and I am sure he has rewarded you many >times over. > Gail Thanks, Gail. You are correct that he has rewarded me many times over. In many ways, I think I have reaped more benefits from this than he has. He is such a loving, cheerful little guy -- I get warm feelings every time I look at him, and he will often get in my lap and snuggle his chin against mine while purring all the time. How much better can it get?? MaryL > Thanks, Gail. You are correct that he has rewarded me many times over. In > many ways, I think I have reaped more benefits from this than he has. He is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MaryL It can't get better than that!! Great story! Anyone who adopts an adult cat is a gem in my book, a blind cat, even better. :) -L. >> Thanks, Gail. You are correct that he has rewarded me many times over. >> In [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -L. Thanks! :o) well my baby kitten preferred cheese and lunch meat over milk but mine was a stray who was separated from her mom. Your kitten may not trust you yet and he may not want to eat something you are hand feeding. >Around 8:00pm found a 10 day old kitten on our Balcony (how she got >there, I do not know). She may have been there since Thursday night; [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Derek > well my baby kitten preferred cheese and lunch meat over milk but mine was a > stray who was separated from her mom. Your kitten may not trust you yet and > he may not want to eat something you are hand feeding. >/1 Kitten has been eating from a bottle since Friday. I think we have to get the tip right, and she had to decide she liked the replacer. Derek I've loved reading this thread. I also am fostering a kitten I got at 1 week old, she's now 4 weeks. Xena had problems with bm's right from the start and her pattern seems to be every 3 days. at 2 weeks I took her to the vet because it had been 6 days since she went and he pulled it out with a lubricated q-tip. It was hard as a rock, like stone. i was told to put 2 drops of mineral oil in each feeding, so when I made up 4 tbs. I put in 8 drops. Seemed to help considerably. This weekend she started using the litterbox for both and it's a real relief for me. The pictures you posted look very much like my little girl. Good luck. I'm going to continue watching this thread. Give her a little hug for me please. She's totally adorable. >> well my baby kitten preferred cheese and lunch meat over milk but mine was a >> stray who was separated from her mom. Your kitten may not trust you yet and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Derek Morning. Thankfully she gave me some more nuggets last night. Last night seeing I was the only one home, the kitten and I watched some quality computer/tv time together. I need to post some lap photo's of her. Her newest quirk is pawing her head by her ears. I am unsure if this is eye related, possible mites (I do not see any), or ear infections (good god am I a neurotic owner). She also at one point mewed herself horse. Derek > I've loved reading this thread. I also am fostering a kitten I got at 1 > week old, she's now 4 weeks. Xena had problems with bm's right from the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > watching this thread. Give her a little hug for me please. She's totally > adorable. Not neurotic. Pawing at the ears can very well be a sign of ear mites. Put that on your list of things to ask the vet about the next time you see him. Not sure what they would recommend with a kitten this young. Have you checked her for fleas? W > Morning. Thankfully she gave me some more nuggets last night. Last > night seeing I was the only one home, the kitten and I watched some [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> totally >> adorable. No BUT I am very allergic to Flea's and flea dirt. Normally when I come into prolonged contact with a cat with fleas, I have reaction. So far no. Just in case, I do own a flea comb. She is going in Monday for a follow up for her eyes. If it gets bad tonight, she will go in tomorrow. Derek > Not neurotic. Pawing at the ears can very well be a sign of ear mites. Put > that on your list of things to ask the vet about the next time you see him. > Not sure what they would recommend with a kitten this young. Have you > checked her for fleas? > > W Derek I have been reading your post. Sorry I have not been able to really respond and help. I wish I could shake your hand for all the work you are doing to save and help this little one. A THANK YOU from all who love animals A BIG THANK YOU from me and my pack. It gives me a boost in my faith that humanity is worth saving > No BUT I am very allergic to Flea's and flea dirt. Normally when I > come into prolonged contact with a cat with fleas, I have reaction. So [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> W Got her to defecate a few times today- woowoo! :-) Some photos on snapfish: http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=57472016/a=29706977_29706977/t_= 29706977 If you do not have an account- you will need to set up one, which is free. Also, kitten is teething Derek TY Matthew, though my 1st thought when I saw your post was I only save humanity on Sat nights and sometimes during the week (I am an EMT, and thats the night I ride :-) ) My Fiance' jokingly asks- are their cat teething toys besides fingers? > Derek I have been reading your post. Sorry I have not been able to really > respond and help. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A BIG THANK YOU from me and my pack. > It gives me a boost in my faith that humanity is worth saving She is cuter than ever!! Gail > Got her to defecate a few times today- woowoo! :-) > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> A BIG THANK YOU from me and my pack. >> It gives me a boost in my faith that humanity is worth saving What a cute girl! That spot of orange on her forehead is just the cutest. She looks so healthy and playful. She also looks a bit chubby in some of those pictures, you're doing a great job! Rhonda > Got her to defecate a few times today- woowoo! :-) > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>A BIG THANK YOU from me and my pack. >>It gives me a boost in my faith that humanity is worth saving She looks really good in the pictures. Quite chunky - you must be feeding her well. Are they absolutely sure she has to lose both eyes? I had a kitty last year that had a ruptured globe when we picked him up off the streets. Turned out he kept the eye and had some sight in it even. http://www1.snapfish.com/thumbnailshare/AlbumID=54048392/a=25888229_25888229/t_= 25888229 Hope the link works. These were taken when he was already on the mend. The last picture was taken after the eye healed (on the left. You can see the cloudy scar) and shortly before he got adopted. W > Got her to defecate a few times today- woowoo! :-) > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> A BIG THANK YOU from me and my pack. >> It gives me a boost in my faith that humanity is worth saving People think my kitten is fat :-( (JOKING). Per her eyes, one of our regular vets said lets wait and see vs the emergency vet who said she will lose them. More nuggets this morning (thankfully). Currently, we are letting her walk around my office under parental supervision. MY other 3 cats have decided that while we are spending all this time with the kitten, all the regular rules that applied in the house no longer exist. My fiance' picked the other cats up some cat crack (tuna flakes). We hope this makes a peace with them, as well as some quality time this weekend as we catch up on household chores. Derek She did look a bit chubby in that one picture, and what a compliment on your feeding skills! :) How is she this weekend? Rhonda > People think my kitten is fat :-( (JOKING). Per her eyes, one of our > regular vets said lets wait and see vs the emergency vet who said she > will lose them. > She did look a bit chubby in that one picture, and what a compliment on > your feeding skills! :) > > How is she this weekend? > > Rhonda I am not objecting to the comments btw, I was having fun with them. (AKA writing joking). She has defecated now on a daily basis at least once. We decided that she did not like the set up in the 50 gallon container we had set her up in- We think the towel I used made the flooring too soft. She was not walking around in the enclosure. We blocked off part of the office and made her a new area. She is up and somewhat walking around, gaining steadiness with every hour. She is getting more playful, and I am sure we will be teaching her "No Bite" when she gets older :-). Otherwise she has been a doll. I will post some more photos later. Tomorrow she goes back for another follow up on her eyes. Also on the agenda will be Scabs on her pads and paws (she had blisters from crawling around the cement- a topic I did not bring up here due to- well, wasn't as life threatening as not eating and lack of bowel movements), possibility |
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