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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004raw feeding / home diets - opinions?
I've read a lot, pro and con, about raw meat and other home made diets for cats. What do people here think of them? Does anyone here make their own cat food? I like the idea, but I'm afraid I would leave out some essential nutrient, or else my cats would get sick from the raw meat. Is there any such thing as a home made cooked meat diet? I guess at that point, it's just as easy to feed canned food, eh. It's just that I don't know what's *in* the canned food, completely... I guess I wonder if the benefit of making home made food is worth it, in terms of improving cats' health. Thoughts anyone? -- L. circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:54:23 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Lotte (lottevehko@yahoo.com) said, > I've read a lot, pro and con, about raw meat and other home made diets for > cats. What do people here think of them? Does anyone here make their own [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > making home made food is worth it, in terms of improving cats' health. > Thoughts anyone? -- L. Lauren feeds a BARF diet, IIRC. She probably has lots of good advice for you. Laura  SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. Why is raw meat superior to cooked meat for cats? Gail This is one of my questions also. From what I've read, cooking destroys some of the enzymes and vitamins present in raw meat, some of which are essential for cats (taurine is the one I've seen mentioned), so those essential enzymes & vitamins have to be added back into canned food, which is usually cooked meat. I imagine it's the same difference as a human eating a diet with no vegetables relying on a vitamin supplement to make up for the lack of veggies... but I'm not sure. It seems to me there is a market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to avoid the raw meat disease/bacteria issues. I suppose, at that point, it's just as easy to use canned food, but personally, I'd buy something I could add to my own cooked meat. That way I would know exactly what kind of meat my cats were getting... Hopefully the group can offer some insight/comments. -- L. > Why is raw meat superior to cooked meat for cats? > Gail > It seems to me there is a > market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to > avoid the raw meat disease/bacteria issues. Wysong makes such a product. SignatureCheryl > > It seems to me there is a > > market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Cheryl Cheryl -- Can you recall the name? I'll look at Wysong's website also. Thx -- L. "Lotte" <lottevehko@yahoo.com> dumped this in news:h42dncoZapqCcuTdRVn- ig@io.com on 11 Apr 2004: >> > It seems to me there is a >> > market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Cheryl -- Can you recall the name? I'll look at Wysong's website also. > Thx -- L. If I'm understanding correctly what you're looking for, my first thought was Wysong Archetype. SignatureCheryl > "Lotte" <lottevehko@yahoo.com> dumped this >>>"Lotte" <lottevehko@yahoo.com> dumped this: >>>>It seems to me there is a >>>>market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If I'm understanding correctly what you're looking for, my first thought > was Wysong Archetype. Archetype is a complete diet. I think Vegan is the one that's supposed to be supplemented by a protein source of your choice. -Alison in OH >> "Lotte" <lottevehko@yahoo.com> dumped this > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Archetype is a complete diet. I think Vegan is the one that's supposed >to be supplemented by a protein source of your choice. Archetype can be fed as a supplement as well, to provide a source of non-heated meat. Archetype Buffet is complete. Wysong also makes a number of all-meat cat and dog foods, which are not nutritionally complete and are meant to be supplemented. Wysong makes a variety of pet foods, some of which are nutritionally complete diets in themselves, others of which are meant to be supplements to improve the diet; for example, if you are feeding a commercial dry food, you can increase the meat content of the cat's diet by supplementing with Wysong's all-meat products. > Archetype can be fed as a supplement as well, to provide a source of non-heated > meat. Archetype Buffet is complete. Wysong also makes a number of all-meat cat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dry food, you can increase the meat content of the cat's diet by supplementing > with Wysong's all-meat products. Ya know... I'm thinking that Wysong may want to simplify their product line somewhat. I need a Sherpa guide to figure out which of their products is supposed to do what, and that *can't* be good for sales.... L. >Ya know... I'm thinking that Wysong may want to simplify their product line >somewhat. I need a Sherpa guide to figure out which of their products is >supposed to do what, and that *can't* be good for sales.... L. I don't know, I rather like that about Wysong. Their philosophy is based on a sort of matrix--the best diet you can provide balanced with how much effort you are willing to put into it. So they provide foods/supplements for several different levels of convenience. In other words, if you prefer to feed a typical commercial diet, they offer ways for you to improve it. According to them, at the top of the scale (best possible diet) would be freshly killed prey of the kind that dogs and cats normally eat. At the bottom of the scale would be a low quality generic cat food. Of course the top of the scale is not really practical for most people, so Wysong offers products to let you choose where you want to be on that scale. If they simplified it by only offering a couple lines of pet food, then they'd be pretty much like every other pet food mfr, right? So I don't think they'd want to do that. If you just want to feed one product in their line, choose Vitality canned or dry. That is their sort of all-purpose feline maintenance diet. > >Ya know... I'm thinking that Wysong may want to simplify their product line > >somewhat. I need a Sherpa guide to figure out which of their products is [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > If you just want to feed one product in their line, choose Vitality canned or > dry. That is their sort of all-purpose feline maintenance diet. Oh, I have no problem with their philosphy, I think it's great. It's just that, on their website, it's impossible to tell how each of the products is intended to be used -- and they have so many, it makes it really difficult to figure out which one will fit in with what kind of diet. Maybe they could put up some kind of guide on the website? Or maybe they have one and I just couldn't find it... L. >> >Ya know... I'm thinking that Wysong may want to simplify their product >line [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >could put up some kind of guide on the website? Or maybe they have one and >I just couldn't find it... L. You're right, they don't make much attempt on the Web site to explain their various pet food diets. Some of their printed pamphlets are much more informative, and that's what I've read. I think I picked them up at some health food stores that carry Wysong. >From: Alison in OH ams58@case.edu.invalid >Date: 4/13/2004 9:18 AM Easter >Archetype is a complete diet. I think Vegan is the one that's supposed >to be supplemented by a protein source of your choice. I use Archetype as treats sometimes. It's a freeze dried food that you have to add water to, let it soak and then feed it. My cats didn't like it that way so I just give them little pieces of it dry. There's another company that came out with a freeze dried diet I believe. I think their website is www.naturesvariety.com Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I use Archetype as treats sometimes. It's a freeze dried food that > you have to add water to, let it soak and then feed it. My cats didn't > like it that way so I just give them little pieces of it dry. I was looking into that for Shadow because he is very spoiled, and though he is doing very well on a mainly canned food diet, he still won't rest until he gets a little bit of dry to crunch. He's persistant and if you saw how he acts you'd give in, too. Only a little bit though. None of the natural food pet food markets here carry Archetype so I haven't tried it on him yet. SignatureCheryl >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> I use Archetype as treats sometimes. It's a freeze dried food that >> you have to add water to, let it soak and then feed it. My cats didn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >natural food pet food markets here carry Archetype so I haven't tried it on >him yet. Archetype is not really a dry food in the sense of it being crunchy pieces. Rather it's a freeze dried food. Kinda hard to describe. My cats love it dry but when I added water to rehydrate it, they didn't really like it. Wysong does make a regular dry food though called Vitality which is their regular type, and then they have a few other varieties of dry. One other thing Wysong makes is something called Dentatreat which is like a parmesan cheese consistency. You just sprinkle it on their food. I think it works great for finicky cats as a bribe food. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:49:19 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Lotte (lottevehko@yahoo.com) said, > It seems to me there is a > market for a cat food mix that owners can mix with *cooked* meat, to avoid > the raw meat disease/bacteria issues. I suppose, at that point, it's just > as easy to use canned food, but personally, I'd buy something I could add to > my own cooked meat There are, indeed, such supplements. I don't know if they're espoused for mixing with cooked meat, though. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. >From: "Gail" gbanoz@verizon.net >Why is raw meat superior to cooked m It has more nutrients and enzymes. Cooking destroys a lot of the essential vitamins and enzymes. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Why is raw meat superior to cooked meat for cats? > Gail Because it comes attached to the raw bones that are essential to their oral health. -Alison in OH >From: "Lotte" lottevehko@yahoo.com >What do people here think of them? Does anyone here make their own >cat food? I like the idea, but I'm afraid I would leave out some essential [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >making home made food is worth it, in terms of improving cats' health. >Thoughts anyone? -- L. Hi Lotte, I've been feeding my cats a homemade raw diet for almost 4 years. They are really do great on it. It is more work than feeding a commercial food, but I feel it's worth it in my case. The main thing is to be consistent and not get lazy when preparing the food. Also, in a raw diet, making a diet with a lot of variety is important. It was a bit overwhelming at first and I also had fears about it. But now it's second nature to put the food together and after seeing how well my kitties are doing on it, I feel a lot more confident. If you're interested in feeding a homemade diet, whether raw or cooked, I would recommend doing a lot of research on it first. There are some good books out there as well as lots of websites. I have a link in my signature for the raw diet. Lastly, if you do decide you want to feed raw, you can email me and I can hook you up with a couple of great raw feeding lists. There are people on the lists that have been feeding raw for a long time. One in particular has been feeding raw for over 30 years and she has provided wonderful guidance for me. As to raw versus cooked, from all that I've learned, it really is better for the cat to feed a raw diet. Cats have a much shorter digestive tract than we do and were meant to digest raw meat. Just like you would practice safe handling for your own food, you would do the same when preparing your pet's food. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm |
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