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Do Pets go to Heaven
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TractorBoy1 - 16 Sep 2006 09:21 GMT Hi,
I was wondering if any of you believe that animals, particularly our pets go to heaven. I lost my cat a few months ago and was experiencing terrible grief. I stumbled across a website called apetcemetery.com. I created a memorial there and it helped a lot with me coping with my grief.
I was mentioning this to a fellow member of my congregation and he said that Pets do not go to heaven, only humans can go to heaven. Can this be true? I couldn't bear to be in a place where I wouldn't be re-united with my babies who have been my best friends in the world. That would be hell to me, not heaven.
I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Andrew
Ryan Robbins - 16 Sep 2006 11:00 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > with my babies who have been my best friends in the world. That would > be hell to me, not heaven. You might be interested in reading "The Loss of a Pet: A Guide to Coping With The Grieving Process When A Pet Dies," by Wallace Sife, a clinical psychologist who helped found the Association for Pet Loss and Bereavement. I found the book to be comforting after my Sara died in April from chronic renal failure.
One of the book's chapters deals with religions' attitudes toward animals when it comes to an animal's death. There is nothing in the Bible that states that animals cannot go to heaven or that animals do not have a soul.
"There are those who ask the question, 'Do animals have souls like ours, and will they be with us in an afterlife?'" the Reverend Canon Joel A. Gibson writes in Sife's book. "... It is not so important to search for the answer to that which only God knows, as to trust that which God loved is always under God's care. We, as a people of faith, are our own proof of this comforting truth."
The paperback edition retails for $15.
Grawun - 16 Sep 2006 12:40 GMT Our pets give us company and comfort and unconditional love. They see for those of us who can't see. They hear for those of us who can't hear. They help those who can't move arms and legs. They do any job we ask of them. They search for survivors, for termites, drugs and any number of things. They are never false or unfaithful. They are God's best creations. They live, and love and enjoy and fear and feel pain and of course they have souls. How can anyone think they do not go to heaven? I am looking for my pets to be waiting for me by the gates of heaven. If they are not there I think I will go someplace else.
> > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > The paperback edition retails for $15. meeee - 19 Sep 2006 23:56 GMT >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > The paperback edition retails for $15. There is one verse, however, in Ecclesiastes (not sure where) where the writer asks (paraphrased) basically, 'how can we say whether our spirit goes upwards to heaven and the spirit of an animal goes down into the earth'. I suppose he would have been talking about the religious beliefs of his day, and questioning how we hoomins think we decide or know the unknowable. And as that's in The Bible itself, it must be there for a reason.....I'm inclined to think, who are we to say, and people who do say, 'I know such and such because I know' are just putting their fingers in their ears and going 'la la la' at logic. I don't think a merciful God, who said he knows when the smallest sparrow dies, would totally ignore animals. St Francis of Assisi thought similarly I believe....
Lightwell - 16 Sep 2006 12:30 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew Of course animals go to heaven. This is not an religious issue, so it can be any heaven you believe in. It is about energy. No energy ever vanishes. The essence of a personality, sometimes called soul, of a cat has a specific pattern that even can return into matter (body).
I`ve read in a Kryon book, that rather often pets decide to come back into matter around three month after their departure. So it can happen to meet a kitten that rings a lot of bells with one.
Grawun - 16 Sep 2006 12:47 GMT That is a fascinating thought. I have had a lot of pets over my life but a few were very special. They were sweet, easy going and loving. Each had very similar personalities. Each came into my life at a time when I really needed comfort and help. I have wondered if they were the same little soul come to be with me when I needed them.
> > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > that rings a lot of bells > with one. Lightwell - 16 Sep 2006 14:25 GMT > That is a fascinating thought. I have had a lot of pets over my life > but a few were very special. They were sweet, easy going and loving. > Each had very similar personalities. Each came into my life at a time > when I really needed comfort and help. I have wondered if they were > the same little soul come to be with me when I needed them. Here`s an excerpt from a channeling. It is rather long, hopefully nobody minds.
Excerpt from: Live Kryon Channelling "CURRENT EVENTS" Washington DC, April 10, 2005 As channelled by Lee Carroll for Kryon To be found at: http://www.kryon.com/k_chanelDC05.html
<<<... Animals and Reincarnation
On a lighter note, we interrupt the life and death discussion of Humans to talk about animals. There are the questions not asked, but laying there, of which you are more than curious. "Dear Kryon," it has been asked, "do animals reincarnate?"...
Again, the Human Being looks at animals as one word that covers trillions of entities on the planet. You believe that all of them either do or don't reincarnate, and you want one answer for them all. What if I was from another planet and communicated to you this question: "What color are animals? I want one answer, please." You'd laugh, and wonder what kind of singular consciousness I might have in my reality to ask such a thing.
So I say to you regarding your reincarnation question: Which ones? "You mean there's a difference, Kryon?" Oh, yes! We've already gone over the purpose of animals on the planet. We've told you many things about animals. We've told you that some of them are actually designed to be eaten, and they come for this very purpose. We've indicated to you what's wrong with the way you're treating them, and that you don't honor them in their death, or even as you extract their resources while they're alive. And that, my dear friends, is the reason there's disease in the meat. When you start honoring these animals in their death so that they can create the food that's needed for you, then you'll see the disease disappear.
This is a factor that has yet to be named in your language or your culture - the idea that there's an energy that the Human creates even in the appropriate slaughter of animals for food, the results of which change these animals and the health of the Human who consumes them. Why is it that the indigenous knew about it and you don't? It's an energy that addresses the consciousness of Gaia and the animal kingdom. It addresses the way animals are honored in death.
Animals don't all reincarnate, but some do - if it's appropriate for the Humans around them. Most of the animals on the planet don't reincarnate, but there are a select group and individuals who do, and even a "rule of thumb" that you can apply to those who do and those who don't. When I tell you about the ones who do, you're going to understand a little bit more about the process of who you are. Blessed is the Human Being who walks this planet in lesson: Everything revolves around you! It may not look like it, but it does. Gaia knows who you are when you walk on the dirt! You have a light that you can strike [create] and carry with you that will change the very elements around you. Matter will respond to what you do because you are the angels disguised as Human Beings.
Some of you have selected various animals on earth to be your partners or friends, and you call them pets. Even some of the ones to be slaughtered, if they have a Human who loves them, are pets... if only for a while. These are the ones who reincarnate.
"Why should such a thing be, Kryon? How does that work? Do they have souls? What's the 'rule' you speak of?" In a way, they do have souls, but not as your souls are structured - not with the lessons your souls carry, or the multiple aspects you have. They're not angels, but they're support entities to those who are [Humans]. When they reincarnate the reason is in honor of the Human Being, you see? Animals, in general, don't last that long on the planet. You might have this beautiful partner, this love essence that you have with an animal pet-friend. Then that animal-friend disappears in death, for again, they don't live that long. The rule of incarnations is, therefore, "If the Human needs it, it happens." So there is a scenario created within the system that helps Humans temper the loss of this love, and we'll give it to you.
When your precious animal-friend dies, go look for another one right away. Don't wait. Don't wait! I'll tell you why. Immediately go looking in places where animal babies are. Make no presuppositions about the kind of animal or the gender. Don't necessarily try to match the one you lost. Instead, go to the places where you intuitively believe the young animals are, and look into their eyes. One of them will be the one... because it - and the Universe - knows intuitively where you're going to look!
This is the system that honors you. Many know this and have said, "I know this is so because when I found this other animal to be my partner and my pet, it started doing the same things that my former animal did - it even responded the same way to me." It's a beautiful system in honor of you. It's an acknowledgment of a broken heart, you see? So you can pick up where you left off.
Some may now ask, "What size animal are we talking about, Kryon? Is there a limit?" We say, there you go again [Kryon smile]. What size do you want? An elephant or a mouse? It doesn't make a difference. If they're loved by you and part of your karmic energy, they'll reincarnate. However, it might be prudent of you to intuitively look for the size of animal that meets your living needs. God doesn't give you an elephant when your mouse dies [laughter].....>>>
Again, if too long please anybody tell me how to include a clickable link to a self created document, not a website. The link to the original website I provided, but decided to put the excerpt regarding animals here.
And - nothing to be sneered at - I am a scientifically thinking person and a sceptic, but found the informations in these channelings absolutely convincing and after having worked with many religious and spiritual systems I found in those Kryon channelings the best explanations for the physical and spiritual world. And, no, I don`t want to discuss those things as here is not the right place. I just wanted to share this information with Grawun.
The Polish-Kraut - 16 Sep 2006 13:51 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I would appreciate your thoughts on this. >Andrew Televangelist John Hagee once said that he firmly believes that pets will go to heaven and I would say that I have to believe him.
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bearclaw@cruller.invalid - 16 Sep 2006 14:07 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew I am so sorry for your loss.
Lots of people believe lots of things. Your fellow congregant was probably talking about the soul. That's a lot more complicated than anyone can say because it involves doctrine that reaches beyond what can be proved.
In my years, I went from faith to doubt. The only thing I still know for absolute sure is that to love and to be loved is the greatest gift in all creation. There is nothing more precious in life, nothing stronger, and nothing more eternal. Love makes every moment ring with life. For those you love, whether animal, human or God, Heaven is always in your heart.
Eva Quesnell - 16 Sep 2006 15:56 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew I don't remember who wrote this, but this is what I believe, too.
The Story of the Rainbow Bridge
Just this side of Heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food and water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable. All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing: they miss someone very special to them;who had to be left behind.
They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. The bright eyes are intent; the eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to break away from the group, flying over the green grass, hind legs carrying him faster and faster. YOU have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.
Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together . . . .
Lightwell - 16 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT > I don't remember who wrote this, but this is what I believe, too. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together . . . . This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm.
Eva Quesnell - 16 Sep 2006 18:59 GMT >> I don't remember who wrote this, but this is what I believe, too. >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm. Ahhh, thank you. I just couldn't remember his name. :) It always makes me cry. There will be a lot of critters there waiting for me!
Eva
The Polish-Kraut - 16 Sep 2006 19:23 GMT > Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together . . . . Cross the bridge to where ??
Eva Quesnell - 16 Sep 2006 20:33 GMT >> Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together . . . . > > Cross the bridge to where ?? Cross the bridge to heaven.
Ryan Robbins - 16 Sep 2006 22:24 GMT > This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm. Apparently he stole it, though. Wallace Sife claims authorship of the original version, published in the "early 1970s for the California Dog's Club newsletter," according to Sife's book "The Loss of a Pet." "It has since appeared as many forms, ascribed to an anonymous author."
The original is written much better. I will not copy it here because it is copyrighted.
Ryan Robbins - 16 Sep 2006 22:30 GMT >> This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The original is written much better. I will not copy it here because it is > copyrighted. I just checked, and the essay is online at http://www.aplb.org/books/rainbow.shtml.
Lightwell - 17 Sep 2006 12:26 GMT Ryan Robbins schrieb:
> >> This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I just checked, and the essay is online at > http://www.aplb.org/books/rainbow.shtml. Thank you for the information. I googled and found this site: http://cats.about.com/od/lossandgrieving/a/rainbowbridge_2.htm
There are three authors mentioned which claim the copyright. <sigh>
Now I understand why so many websites write "author unknown".<g>
bfn
Lightwell - 17 Sep 2006 12:27 GMT Ryan Robbins schrieb:
> >> This beautiful story was written by Paul C. Dahm. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I just checked, and the essay is online at > http://www.aplb.org/books/rainbow.shtml. Thank you for the information. I googled and found this site: http://cats.about.com/od/lossandgrieving/a/rainbowbridge_2.htm
There are three authors mentioned which claim the copyright. <sigh>
Now I understand why so many websites write "author unknown".<g>
bfn
Ryan Robbins - 16 Sep 2006 22:18 GMT >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I don't remember who wrote this, but this is what I believe, too. The original version was written by the author I referred to earlier, Wallace Sife. In the original, there is no "Rainbow Bridge."
TractorBoy1 - 16 Sep 2006 20:50 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for your wonderful replies. I do now believe that all creatures go to heaven and I firmly believe in the Rainbow Bridge story. A lady told me that our pets have a special place at the foot of the Bridge which is just a few steps from heaven, and that when we meet up, we shall cross the Bridge together. I feel so much better. Thank You. Andrew.
dgk - 21 Sep 2006 14:48 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I would appreciate your thoughts on this. >Andrew What a good question. I've never believed in any organized religion because they just don't make sense to me, but it does make sense that we're here for some reason. Agnotic rather than Athiest. Perhaps we're some 6th grade god's science project?
However, the universe exists and it's difficult to believe that there is no reason for it, so perhaps when we die we do continue somewhere else. My mother said it best to one of her good friends, a very devout Christian. If you're right, you'll wake up in Heaven for sure, and if you're wrong, you'll never know.
I don't want to be in any heaven that doesn't allow Nico (the wonder cat), Bushky, Jackie, or Luckyboy. I hope they do bar mosquitos though, we have to draw the line somewhere.
Outsider - 23 Sep 2006 01:34 GMT dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in news:0h55h2lrcdqqdeehiaq5m2kso67vr3avqm@ 4ax.com:
>>Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > cat), Bushky, Jackie, or Luckyboy. I hope they do bar mosquitos > though, we have to draw the line somewhere. I should wonder more if people deserve to go to heaven. Pets are a shoe- in.
sihaya660@yahoo.com - 25 Sep 2006 03:54 GMT I think theres a mug out there "God forbid I go to a heaven without horses" Matter and Energy can't be created or destroyed just changed...this is sciencetific principle...so I'm not sure that humans are going to "heaven" either but I know there has to be an afterlife for everyone. Snotherwards, if you think about it, how can they or anything else not? Its sciencetifically impossible...-Kenda
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew sihaya660@yahoo.com - 25 Sep 2006 03:54 GMT I think theres a mug out there "God forbid I go to a heaven without horses" Matter and Energy can't be created or destroyed just changed...this is sciencetific principle...so I'm not sure that humans are going to "heaven" either but I know there has to be an afterlife for everyone. Snotherwards, if you think about it, how can they or anything else not? Its sciencetifically impossible...-Kenda
> Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > Andrew
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