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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004New vaccination protocol link needed
I know this has been posted many many times but does anyone have a good link for the new vaccination protocol? I did a net search but I want an article posted with good credentials to print and take the vet tomorrow. Shamrock is due for vacs (only the FVRCP this time, FeLV vac is due in Sept, and he's on 3 year rabies) and I want to discuss this with his vet. TIA.  SignatureCheryl >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >want an >article posted with good credentials to print and take the vet tomorrow. >Shamrock is due for vacs (only the FVRCP this time, FeLV vac is due in >Sept, and he's on 3 year rabies) and I want to discuss this with his vet. >TIA. Have you tried www.catshots.com? They have lots of links there I believe. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > www.catshots.com? Link didn't work Lauren. I'm a-huntin' for valid reports and was hoping someone reading would remember one that is credent. :) Unfortunately he needs another depo shot. If there was any doubt about his lesions, on the back of one leg it is a straight line indicating linear granuloma unlike the lesions on his back (also flaring up right now) which are just random helter skelter in a 3"x3" patch. Poor lil guy. He was bleeding from them yesterday. SignatureCheryl >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> www.catshots.com? > >Link didn't work Lauren. I'm a-huntin' for valid reports and was hoping >someone reading would remember one that is credent. :) What specifically are you looking for? Just the protocol? I have tons of vaccine links but I think this is the protocol one: http://www.critterfixer.com/pages/v1_new_vacc_protocols.asp http://advance8.tripod.com/share/id14.html Unfortunately he >needs another depo shot. If there was any doubt about his lesions, on the >back of one leg it is a straight line indicating linear granuloma unlike >the lesions on his back (also flaring up right now) which are just random >helter skelter in a 3"x3" patch. Poor lil guy. He was bleeding from them >yesterday. Aww, poor Shamrock :( So sorry to hear this, Cheryl. Personally, I don't think he should be vaccinated at all, as it clearly states on the vaccine package insert to be given to healthy animals only. He is indoors only, right? The vet should be able to write you an exemption letter for the rabies if your city requires it. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Link didn't work Lauren. I'm a-huntin' for valid reports and was hoping > someone reading would remember one that is credent. :) Unfortunately he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > helter skelter in a 3"x3" patch. Poor lil guy. He was bleeding from them > yesterday. You have a cat with an immune-mediated disease that you're treating by knocking down the immune system and you're not sure whether to inject him for the second time in 12 months with an antigen intended to stimulate his immune system into behaving as though he has an infection? Um. Try doing a PubMed search (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "cat vaccination duration immunity". There's no reason to re-vaccinate *any* cat with the distemper combo after only one year, yet alone an immune-compromised or otherwise unwell animal. And your vet should know that. Sigh. Grumble. -Alison in OH Alison in OH <ams58@case.edu.invalid> dumped this in news:c5epud$8eg$1 @eeyore.INS.cwru.edu on 12 Apr 2004: > Try doing a PubMed search > (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi) on "cat vaccination [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And your vet should know that. Thanks Alison. I know he shouldn't be vaccinated; I want to go to his appt armed with facts. I asked similar questions back when he had the FLV booster and needed a steroid shot then, too. This link helps. SignatureCheryl Cheryl, the April issue of Catwatch cites an AVMA study that says panleukopenia, calcivirus, and herpesvirus vaccinatios last at least 48 months. Last year y vet said there is strong belief the distemper vaccine gives lifetime immunit. I'd listen to Allison, as wel as following your gut feeling. He's your cat, your responsibility, and you don't need excuses for refusing a particular treatment or vaccinatin. As we know, all vets don't keep up with the latest. I know it's not always easy to stand up to a professional...I've done it to my own doctor, and we have an understanding. Good luck! Paulette paulette200@webtv.net (Paulette) dumped this in news:6712-407B3B5D-223 @storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net on 12 Apr 2004: > Cheryl, the April issue of Catwatch cites an AVMA study that says > panleukopenia, calcivirus, and herpesvirus vaccinatios last at least 48 > months. We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a believer in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy cats, and obviously Shamrock doesn't fit that description. So he got off today without the FVRCP. He'll still have to continue getting yearly FLV boosters for as long as Shadow is alive, unless they can determine yearly is overkill. From what I've read so far, they haven't reached any conclusions for FLV yet. SignatureCheryl > We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a believer > in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy cats, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > overkill. From what I've read so far, they haven't reached any conclusions > for FLV yet. Well, except for the whole "age-related immunity is a heck of a lot more effective than the vaccine" thing. -Alison in OH >> We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a believer >> in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy cats, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> overkill. From what I've read so far, they haven't reached any conclusions >> for FLV yet. So is there any proof that yearly boostering is even effective? ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >>> for as long as Shadow is alive, unless they can determine yearly is >>> overkill. From what I've read so far, they haven't reached any >>> conclusions for FLV yet. > > So is there any proof that yearly boostering is even effective? I do not know. This new vet said that testing Shamrock (and now Bonnie) before each booster is a waste because the booster is supposed to prevent it so apparently she believes it is "good enough" protection, or else you reserve testing for when/if other symptoms pop up. I still asked to have him retested before last summers shot. As for my thinking, I'm counting on it protecting them, plus make sure they have a good diet and try to eliminate other risks by being a clean-freak with the litter boxes and food/water dishes, but Shamrock already having immune system problems worries me. One of the techs at the IM office where all this happened said she has 1 pos and 2 neg cats and as of 4 (? I believe?) years the 2 remained negative so she must have them tested at certain intervals. SignatureCheryl >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >>>> for as long as Shadow is alive, unless they can determine yearly is >>>> overkill. From what I've read so far, they haven't reached any [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >she has 1 pos and 2 neg cats and as of 4 (? I believe?) years the 2 >remained negative so she must have them tested at certain intervals. Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV, the cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right? Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology, said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the article I read by him. It was very interesting. ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV, the > cat has to be bitten by a positive cat. Is that right? > > Also, Ronald Shultz, DVM, and well known for his expertise with immunology, > said vaccines probably provide lifetime immunity. I'll try to find the article > I read by him. It was very interesting. No, that's FIV. To get FeLV the positive and negative cats can simply share close quarters, slobbering on each other and each other's food and the like. And the FeLV vaccine has an unusual mechanism and long-term protection hasn't been shown definitively like it has for the components of FVRCP. In fact, short-term protection hasn't really been shown as the vaccine is rather ineffective. I'm sure Cheryl and her vet have this publication but for general consumption, here's a page with the AAFP's wonderful breakdown on how to manage the feline retroviruses, FIV and FeLV: http://aafponline.org/about_guidlines.htm I think it's rather conservative, and if I had a positive and a negative cat I'd probably just house them separately so they didn't have too much bodily fluid transfer and call it good. But that's a big IF -- keeping a positive and a negative cat is a tough one and I commend Cheryl for staying informed and working closely with her vet to manage the situation. -Alison in OH >From: Alison in OH ams58@case.edu.invalid >> Does Shadow go outside? It's my understanding that in order to get FelV, >the [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >-Alison in OH Thanks for the info and the link, Alison. I'll check it out definitely. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >From: Cheryl jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com >> So is there any proof that yearly boostering is even effective? > >I do not know. This new vet said that testing Shamrock (and now Bonnie) >before each booster is a waste because the booster is supposed to prevent >it so apparently she believes it is "good enough" protection, I found the article I was talking about in my last post: http://critterfixer.com/pages/petcare_duration_immunity.asp and here's a couple more: http://www.holistichorsekeeping.com/illness/vaccines10-03.html http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413.html Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > I found the article I was talking about in my last post: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.news.wisc.edu/8413.html Thanks Lauren. I'll have a look when I have a little more time. To your question from the other post, Shadow doesn't go outside except for the backyard enclosure, but I haven't opened it up this season yet. Soon, and they are waiting! :) SignatureCheryl >> We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a >> believer in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Well, except for the whole "age-related immunity is a heck of a lot > more effective than the vaccine" thing. True, but I guess non of this stuff is really proven yet. Yes, I've read the studies, and I am afraid of the VAS. I just don't really know what to do and I suspect most people are this way and just trust in their vet. It never hurts to keep this type of communication open, though, because if I didn't read here and read links you guys suggest, he would have been vaccinated yesterday rather than discuss an every-other-year plan and then revisit it next year. SignatureCheryl >>>We agreed upon vaccinations every other year (for now). She is a >>>believer in building immunity to these illnesses in young healthy [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > vaccinated yesterday rather than discuss an every-other-year plan and > then revisit it next year. I'm a big fan of having a good relationship with your vet and I by no means want to drive a wedge between you. But I hope you feel that your discussions with your vet have a decent amount of give-and-take and don't conclude with her running roughshod over you and your input. :( You and your vet are supposed to be partners for your pet's health -- and both of you have equal responsibility. -Alison in OH Alison in OH <ams58@case.edu.invalid> dumped this in news:c5jj30$5e6$1 @eeyore.INS.cwru.edu on 14 Apr 2004: > I'm a big fan of having a good relationship with your vet and I by no > means want to drive a wedge between you. But I hope you feel that your > discussions with your vet have a decent amount of give-and-take and > don't conclude with her running roughshod over you and your input. :( > You and your vet are supposed to be partners for your pet's health -- > and both of you have equal responsibility. Yes, I think she takes me seriously most of the time. The only argument I had with her was about vaccinating Shadow for the UR stuff (rabies, no problem, she exempted him without discussion). But the UR stuff she was worried about because of his FeLV status, and an URI could kill him. But he is old enough where all of the past vaccinations should keep him protected. Besides - our last vet vaccinated him after he was well from the HL and he was really really sick from it for a couple of days so that played into the decision a lot. When he was last vaccinated, I hadn't read any of the articles about just how long cats are protected each time they get a booster. Color me *somewhat* educated about that now. SignatureCheryl circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:20:14 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > I know this has been posted many many times but does anyone have a good > link for the new vaccination protocol? I did a net search but I want an > article posted with good credentials to print and take the vet tomorrow. > Shamrock is due for vacs (only the FVRCP this time, FeLV vac is due in > Sept, and he's on 3 year rabies) and I want to discuss this with his vet. > TIA. http://www.vet.cornell.edu/Public/FHC/vaccbr.html http://web.vet.cornell.edu/Public/FHC/vaccsarc.html http://web.vet.cornell.edu/public/fhc/felv.html http://www.aafponline.org/pdf/guidelines_vaccine.pdf http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB/Proceedings/PR05000/PR00141.htm http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/vaccination- guidelines.html#ref1 http://www.vpc.gov.uk/reports/catfogvetsurv.pdf HTH, Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:20:14 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, > I know this has been posted many many times but does anyone have a good > link for the new vaccination protocol? I did a net search but I want an > article posted with good credentials to print and take the vet tomorrow. > Shamrock is due for vacs (only the FVRCP this time, FeLV vac is due in > Sept, and he's on 3 year rabies) and I want to discuss this with his vet. > TIA. P.S. The AAFP link I posted is the most comprehensive and is chock- full of good credentials. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:20:14 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Cheryl (jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Laura Thanks Laura. I'm printing the relavent parts of the AAFP article. The vin one came up in my search but it didn't really quote many studies which is what I was after. There is no worry about strange cats until Shadow is gone, but there is the outdoor enclosure and I know panleuk can live outside of a host for months and Shamrock's immune system seems wacked with his allergy problems. Chances are he'll get the shots tomorrow (they sent me a postcard in the mail so I know they don't subscribe to the "new" studies) but I want to discuss the protocol for the future. Bonnie only had one series last year so she'll have to get more in May; Shadow is not getting any more shots ever (note is made on his chart by his vet for that). SignatureCheryl |
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