How obliging for you to give "Rob" the reaction he wants.

You'll be less inclined when you notice that he rarely posts anything
that is not guaranteed to upset someone. A year or so ago he mentioned
that one of the strays was harassing his cats from outside the house. And
that he shot him in the head.

I guess it is different when the neighbor does it. (Weren't here? Google is
your friend. He may have had a different email then, but RobZip was the
nym he used.)

Have you ever dealt with the Chinese in any form of business venture? To
them, the lie is not an ethical breach but a negotiating tool. The Chinese
in business - right down to the very last one of them - will lie and say
whatever is required to get a deal done. They will contractually bind
themselves to terms they have no intention or means of honoring. It then
becomes your fault for not realizing the shortcomings that would prevent
fulfillment of the terms. This is considered perfectly honorable among these
scum. Should you negate the contract for violation of its key terms, the
Chinese will attempt use of western courts for breach of terms. These
subhumans have no qualms whatsoever about infringing on internationally
honored copyrights. As GM found out, they will go so far as to reverse
engineer an entire car and place a verbatim copy of it - although shabbily
made - in production as though it were their own creation.

A long standing practice in a land of state sanctioned population control
has been the slaughter of baby girls, who have little value in helping
support families. Keep in mind that female children are not required to be
educated. Their physical attributes render them useless for physical labor,
so - keep the birth quiet, sneak the female baby off to drown it, dispose of
the corpse quietly and try again for a boy. That, sir , is fact... It is the
way they live. It is not racism or religious nonsense to tell it the way it
is.

My most recent and final dealings with any Chinese involved a re-sellers
agreement with Abit motherboards. Many boards suffered component failures
that were blamed on a variety of causes by the manufacturer, none of which
were true. They finally stopped honoring replacement as contractually
agreed. I stopped using Abit boards and began steering my customers to other
alternatives. After a few years of this phenomena of exploding, leaking
capacitors spreading to other companies - all Chinese - the real story came
out. A Chinese component company ( go figure) had bought a stolen formula
(from another Chinese company) for electrolyte compound on the black market.
The stolen formula was missing a key ingredient and a process that would
control expansion under heat, resulting in the sort of failures many
thousands around the world experienced. Electrical charge and heat would
produce a buildup of hydrogen gas in the caps that caused failure.
http://www.burtonsys.com/bad_BP6/story1.html  According to the article, Abit
finally admitted to the problem. Heh, they never did while I was dealing
with them.

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We are supposed to but when the line is running slow you cut them up alive.

Killing cattle is kinda hit and miss too.
My cousin was a killer in a butcher shop in a small mid west town.
He used the standard pin gun which puts a 3/8 dia pin into the brain.
One day he pinned a huge bull that objected to the act and promptly tore
up the back of the butcher shop.
The butcher grabbed his back-up .44 magnum and caught up with the bull
as it was breaking out the show cases in the front of the butcher shop.
The butcher finally got a bullet through the bulls head as it broke
through the front entrance and fell dead at the feet of a woman shopper
who was amused by the animals stamina.
She bought the entire critter right on the spot.

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And of that size population, you can be assured that the number falling into
this class of brutes is sizeable indeed.

Isn't racism the all purpose utility battle cry of those who would defend
the indefensible behavior in any group? I notice those in my area who defend
rap music for example, as a valid expression of self, do not live in areas
where the vulgarity and obscenity of that form of expression booms forth
from car stereos all night long, keeping their kids awake on school nights.
It's easy to preach acceptance and tolerance as long as one doesn't have to
accept and tolerate a whole range of social misfits on their own doorstep.

Yet it is exactly the scenario being faced when attempting to deal with the
Chinese. As I pointed out earlier - decades of international objection over
human rights violations have produced little movement in policy. Any
expectation of serious reform on animal rights will be met with frustration
and disppointment. Not that we shouldn't try, but keeping a realistic
perspective on who and what we're dealing with is important. You do realize
that it is acceptable with population controls that exist in China, to kill
baby girls simply because the family would prefer to have a boy? 'Happens
every day....

What she was probably getting at is people's biases.  People think
nothing of feeling superior over other groups that have different
eating practices than their own.  FOR EXAMPLE - I have heard people say
the equivalent of:  "Those nasty Koreans eat dog meat!" when in fact
not all Koreans eat dog meat, and eating dog meat in some cultures is
no different than eating cows in our culture.

No matter what animal one eats, it should be killed humanely and
drowning is not a humane means of killing.

I suspect this is but one of many local institutions in a rural China
that has this practice.  urban China is not much different than urban
Japan or urban United States.  In rural places in the US< it is
commonplace to throw a dog out in a back yard, tie it up for years on
end and feed it infrequently, at best.  Othe rplaces gas unwanted pets
in group in inefficient gas chambers.  And let's not forget the
infamous "doggioe drop" in rural Tennessee.  All of these examples are
just as horrific as drowning, IMO, and thus, we Americans are no better
at treating our animals than those people drowning the dogs in China.
At least drowning is a fairly quick demise.  Being tied to a chain and
starving to death over months or years is torture.  Everything is
relative.

Yes we do.

We stun them.  We don't kill them.  And many aren't stunned properly
before they are hung and their throats slit.  You can thank Ronald
Reagan and his evildoers for deregulating the slaughter industry in the
'80's for that.  They increased the capacity of the kill lines, which
causes more inadequate stuns and unstunned animals to be processed.

LOL..that is an increibly naive statement, Barry.  Let's take battery
hens, for example.
http://www.all-creatures.org/articles/egg-battery.html

And if you want to talk about severe cruelty, let's talk about
chimpanzee research.  The federal standard for cages for chimps - an
animal that can be 5.5 ft tall and weigh 500 pounds - is 5 W X 5L X 8
ft tall.  These creatures - which have complex social groups in the
wild, and communicate much in the same manner as we do - are housed in
these cages, in isolation, for as many as 40-50 *years* or more. And
this, my friends, is paid for and sanctioned every day in hundreds of
labs all over the US, with your fine tax dollars.   If that isn't far
more cruel than drowning, I don't know what is.

-L.

You know, I would think that eating cloned beef tissue would be FAR
better for you than the current full of hormones, antibiotics and other
diseases that is in the flesh of 'traditionally' farmed animals. The
FDA is basically 'owned' by the meat and dairy industry; so we probably
won't see much progress on this.

I certainly don't have all the answers, but something need to be done,
and soon. If the the meat and dairy industry had kept up at the same
pace as computer technology; we would have cloned, clean and disease
free meat. But as it stands now, the meat and dairy industry is like an
old UNIVAC computer, bloated, slow to change and grossly inefficient.