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James W - 06 Apr 2004 15:25 GMT
Hello Friendly Feline Folk!

I have a two year old balinese cat and she REALLY is curious about the great
outdoors..Problem being she has never been outside so I'm flirting with the
idea of buying a harness and 'trying' to take her on some strolls

My questions are:
Does anyone do this?
What should I do or not do?
What are your experiences?

The breeder I got Jackson from said she could be trained to take walks but I'm
a little leery

any advice, experiences and comments are much appreciated!

Thanks,
James

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MaryL - 06 Apr 2004 16:13 GMT
> Hello Friendly Feline Folk!
>
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> me lika da groova
> my cdr list: www.phishhook.com/lists/JWBear

I had one cat that I trained to walk on a harness.  He had been an outdoor
cat when I adopted him.  I was a graduate student at the time and lived in a
city apartment located on the corner of two fairly busy streets.  He trained
readily to the harness, and we would go for walks almost every day -- but he
took me where he wanted to go, not the reverse.  That was many years ago,
and I ran into lots of people who had never seen a cat on a harness before.
I made lots of friends that way, and my cat enjoyed all the attention.  I
also traveled by car and plane with him as my companion, and I was very glad
at that time that he was already trained to wear a harness.  On one
occasion, six of us traveled in a car from Nebraska to Ohio (remember, we
were *very poor* graduate students who needed to share resources).  There
was no place for a litter box, but my cat nicely started to scratch at the
door as we were traveling down the interstate very late at night.  We got
out of the car (cat on harness and leash), he did his business -- and a very
nice man driving a Sears delivery truck stopped to see if we were having any
trouble!  He got a good laugh out of it when he learned *why* we had
stopped.

Okay, I have this tendency to turn my answers into long stories ...but the
short of it is that: yes, cats can be trained to walk on a harness and
leash; and yes, many of them enjoy it.  Be sure the harness is sturdy and
fits well so the cat can't wriggle out of it if he or she becomes
frightened.  Stay close to your house the first few times you go outdoors --
and give your cat plenty of time to become adjusted *indoors* before you
venture outside.  Your cat will probably "hug the floor" the first few times
you put a harness on her, so do that indoors for awhile without a leash.
After she becomes acclimated to the harness, add a leash and progress from
there.  There is a true walking jacket (not a harness) that many people have
used with success.  That hasn't worked for me because I can't exert pressure
on the tiny pressure-release connection (arthritis in my fingers).

MaryL
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PawsForThought - 06 Apr 2004 16:25 GMT
>From: "MaryL" carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER

>Okay, I have this tendency to turn my answers into long stories ...but the
>short of it is that: yes, cats can be trained to walk on a harness and
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>After she becomes acclimated to the harness, add a leash and progress from
>there.  

I bought harnesses for my cats but only got so far as to put them on the cats a
couple of times.  Hugging the floor?  More like becoming part of the floor,
LOL.  I think they can get used to them.  But my concern is since they are
indoors only cats, if I start taking them outside on harness, won't they then
start begging to go outside?  Also, I had heard that instead of letting them
walk across the threshold to get outside, that you should pick them up and
carry them across so they don't associate going outside without you carrying
them.

Lauren
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Mary - 06 Apr 2004 17:20 GMT
> >From: "MaryL" carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER
>
> I bought harnesses for my cats but only got so far as to put them on the cats a
> couple of times.  Hugging the floor?  More like becoming part of the floor,
> LOL.

Cheeks does this at the vet. She magically transforms her legs into
1.5 inch nubs to be come one with the examining table. It is no
wonder he never noticed the LG on the back of her legs.
Orchid - 06 Apr 2004 19:03 GMT
>I bought harnesses for my cats but only got so far as to put them on the cats a
>couple of times.  Hugging the floor?  More like becoming part of the floor,
>LOL.  I think they can get used to them.  

    *grin*  They totally can, and when they do, they *love* them.
We have to hide our boys' harnesses because whenever they see them to
go nuts.  They yell and bring them to us hopefully and it's cute but
annoying.  :)

>But my concern is since they are
>indoors only cats, if I start taking them outside on harness, won't they then
>start begging to go outside?  

    My boys know that they only get to go outside when their
harnesses are on.  No door-dashing here, though you do need to train
it initially.

>Also, I had heard that instead of letting them
>walk across the threshold to get outside, that you should pick them up and
>carry them across so they don't associate going outside without you carrying
>them.

    That's the advice I always give.  You can train 'cats do not
walk outdoors' and you can train 'cats can walk outdoors' but you
cannot train 'cats can walk outdoors sometimes'.  :)  Feline minds
just don't work that way.  So train 'cats do not walk across
thresholds' and then happily go totally indoors or outside with
supervision from there.

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kaeli - 06 Apr 2004 19:43 GMT
>  But my concern is since they are
> indoors only cats, if I start taking them outside on harness, won't they then
> start begging to go outside?  

Very likely, if they enjoy it.
Rowan does. In fact, she insists. *heh*

This is why I got the ferret cage for the balcony. It helps her get out
more. She can see all the neat things, like the birds and bugs, and she
can even chase the leaves a bit if they come in the cage. I pull it up
to the balcony door and open the doors so the cats can go in and out as
they wish (and can't fall or jump off the balcony). They all love it -
even the two who aren't comfortable going for walks yet.

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MaryL - 07 Apr 2004 02:26 GMT
>  But my concern is since they are
> indoors only cats, if I start taking them outside on harness, won't they then
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> Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm

Yes, I have had that same concern.  I harness-trained the cat I mentioned
because he had originally been an outdoor cat and always wanted to go
outdoors part of the time.  He seemed satisfied to remain indoors once he
knew that I would take him out for frequent walks.  My cats since then have
always been indoor-only cats, and I never tried to take them outdoors
because they are perfectly content indoors -- and I don't want to awaken a
desire to go out, and possibly have one dash outside and get injured.
However, I still train them to wear a harness because I want to be able to
use one in case of an emergency.  Also, I used to travel with my cats when I
only had one cat, and I always used either a carrier or a harness when I
carried them to and from the car (and inside the car).

MaryL
Napoleon - 07 Apr 2004 21:13 GMT
> > Hello Friendly Feline Folk!
> >
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> readily to the harness, and we would go for walks almost every day -- but he
> took me where he wanted to go, not the reverse.  

I have only seen a cat being walked on a harness once and it was just
hilarious.  Some guy who lived across the lot from me at the
apartments where I lived took his cat out on a harness with a pretty
long leash.  In this complex you saw people walking dogs constantly,
and the dogs always walked along the sidewalk or the side of the road
along with their owners.  This guy's cat just acted like he was
walking outside with no harness.  Walking in meandering paths, stop,
sniff, sit, change direction, cut across the grass, etc. The polar
opposite of the way I had seen people walk dogs. Of course, walking by
itself a cat wants to go places like behind the bushes planted next to
a building (cause it smells so neat back there!) and this guy's cat
kept trying to go places like that.  The guy kept following the cat
around places like the sides of the buildings, frequently intervening
to keep the cat from going into places where the leash would get
tangled.

Finally, the guy decided that the walk was over. He was near the
sidewalk that lead to his unit and he started walking that way.  The
cat had no intention of ending the adventure and started walking in
another direction on the top log of a soil retaining wall.  The guy
just gave up trying to persuade his cat that the walk was over, picked
him up and carried him back in.
Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 07 Apr 2004 23:42 GMT
> Finally, the guy decided that the walk was over. He was near the
> sidewalk that lead to his unit and he started walking that way.  The
> cat had no intention of ending the adventure and started walking in
> another direction on the top log of a soil retaining wall.  The guy
> just gave up trying to persuade his cat that the walk was over, picked
> him up and carried him back in.

I let my cat walk me, for the most part, but she actually follows my lead
when I do the walking.  I've never had a problem with her not following me
if I wanted to go in a different direction, even if she was interested in
something else (a bird, a bug, whatever).  She's very good that way.  I
think her previous owners (who were pricks for letting her go
stray--especially during a harsh prairie winter) must have trained her, or
perhaps she's just a very good cat.

rona

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Yngver - 06 Apr 2004 16:52 GMT
>I have a two year old balinese cat and she REALLY is curious about the great
>outdoors..Problem being she has never been outside so I'm flirting with the
>idea of buying a harness and 'trying' to take her on some strolls
>
>My questions are:
>Does anyone do this?

Sure, lots of people do it. All of our cats are leash trained.

>What should I do or not do?

Just take it slowly. It can take a while for an adult cat (ours were kittens
when we began training) to get used to wearing a harness. Just let her wear the
harness around the house for a while until she gets used to it, and then the
leash, and when you do take her outside, also take it slowly. Let her proceed
at her own pace. You will probably find it's more a case of her wandering
around sniffing everything, and you following holding a leash.

>What are your experiences?

I think it's a great way to give cats an opportunity to enjoy being outdoors in
a safe manner. While it's possible to go so far as to train a cat to walk on a
lead as dogs do, most people don't bother. One of our cats took to leash
guidance naturally; a little tug will turn her direction but we didn't bother
to actually train her to do this. We don't mind just following them holding the
leash.

>The breeder I got Jackson from said she could be trained to take walks but
>I'm
>a little leery
>
>any advice, experiences and comments are much appreciated!

Why not give it a try? As I said, just take it slowly and be patient.
Ryan Robbins - 06 Apr 2004 20:53 GMT
> My questions are:
> Does anyone do this?
> What should I do or not do?
> What are your experiences?

My family took in a stray who was about 2 years old 10 years ago. We turned
her into an indoor cat. When I moved out of my parents' house, I took her
with me because my parents' other female cat wouldn't let her out of their
bedroom. After four years of living here and not letting her out, I got a
harness and leash and took her outside, where I'm fortunate enough to have a
large back yard. She loves it.

The first thing to do is measure your cat's girth to ensure you get the
right size harness. At home, put the harness on your cat and let it wear it
around the house. The first time I put the harness on my cat, I left it on
for 30 minutes. She actually didn't mind, despite being a bit touchy on
being handled. The next day I put the harness on her for another 30 minutes.
On Day 3, I put it on her for about an hour.

When we first went outside, she was lerry, hugging the ground. Noises from
traffic bothered her at first, as did the outdoor temperature (Maine).

The first outing lasted 10 minutes -- she decided to go inside.

However, an hour later my cat began meowing and scratching the door to go
out again. She would not shut up and wouldn't stop scratching the door. I
had to put things in front of the door to protect it. And at one point I had
no choice but to put her in the bathroom with the door closed.

But the more I took her out, the more she realized going out would be a
regular thing. The meowing and scratching stopped (although she did try
letting herself out by standing on her hind legs and reaching desperately
for the door knob).

It's now four years after that first outing and everything is fine. All I
have to do is say, "Let's go outside" and my cat will get up from wherever
she was napping and run to the door. I don't take her away from the back
yard, though, and I don't let her go near the parking lot. I do let her go
wherever else she wants, enforcing an invisible boundary around the yard to
let her know the limits.

People in my apartment building thought at first that walking a cat was odd.
But Sara is now the darling of the building. She did slip her harness once
when a drunken neighbor frightened her. But she allowed me to pick her up
and put the harness back on her, as I promised lots of Pounce in return.
Just remember that if your cat should get away, resist the ugre to chase it.
Don't move toward it suddenly. Talk softly, extend a hand, and offer treats.
My cat gets Pounce after every outing.

Until your cat becomes really comfortable going out, I would refrain from
going out at sunset or night, just in case it gets away. I am now able to
take Sara out at night (it helps to have a well-lighted yard). We have
encountered a couple of skunks without "incident," even when a baby one had
the audacity to stroll right up to us while I was engrossed in a magazine.
When I realized what our visitor was, I calmy directed my cat away from the
skunk. She didn't growl or hiss or arch her back, thankfully. And the skunk
waddled away.

If you see a skunk well before it gets within squirting range, you can scare
it away by hissing yourself.

-- Ryan
Luvskats00 - 07 Apr 2004 14:18 GMT
Before I knew better, I bought a harness and took my cat  (who was and indoor
cat for all of his 5 year old life) for a walk. The poor kitty was so spooked
by a speeding car, he got out of her harness and ran away. I spent the next 30
hours looking for him..going out over hour to go around the area calling him.
Amazingly, he finally came when I called and I never took him out again.  You
want your cat to experience the outside?  have a window open & a perch made up
for him to look outside (safely indoors)....or get a large cage, put it outside
and have him outside for a given amount of time each day.  No use in gambling
with his life by having him wander unsupervised outside-where he could get run
over, mauled/killed by a dog/wild animal, etc.
Yngver - 07 Apr 2004 15:50 GMT
>  No use in gambling
>with his life by having him wander unsupervised outside-where he could get
>run
>over, mauled/killed by a dog/wild animal, etc.

But walking a cat in a harness on a leash is *not* unsupervised, obviously. I'm
sorry your cat escaped the harness, but that was the fault of the harness and
perhaps too an insufficient introduction time to the outdoors. Harnesses like
the Walking Jacket (for example) are almost impossible to escape; one needs to
choose a type of harness (and fit) that will prevent the cat's wriggling out of
it. Also, if the cat is an adult and has not had outdoor exposure, it's
important to begin outdoor excursions in a relatively safe and quiet area, so
that he/she is not spooked.

Our cats are ages 6 and 7 and are so accustomed by now to walks in the
neighborhood that even a loud motorcycle or a car backfiring do not faze them,
but it's because over time they have become used to city sounds. And of course,
we are vigilant when walking the cats on the sidewalk in front of our house;
when we spy a big dog being walked on the next block and heading our way, we
give the signal to our cats that it's time to head back into our backyard,
which is fenced.
 
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