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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004Did I read that correctly?
A crawl at the bottom of the screen on CNN this morning says North Carolina is considering raising taxes on pet food as a means of reducing pet overpopulation. My first reaction would be that it's about as misguided as raising gas taxes to discourage consumption... Anybody here got more background on this? > A crawl at the bottom of the screen on CNN this morning says North Carolina > is considering raising taxes on pet food as a means of reducing pet > overpopulation. My first reaction would be that it's about as misguided as > raising gas taxes to discourage consumption... > > Anybody here got more background on this? That can't be right. Karen >Anybody here got more background on this? It's true. They plan to tax pet food to raise money for spay/neuter. http://www.wral.com/news/2873206/detail.html >> Anybody here got more background on this? > > It's true. They plan to tax pet food to raise money for spay/neuter. > http://www.wral.com/news/2873206/detail.html Ahh. The tax goes FOR spay.neuter programs. That makes more sense. circa 07 Apr 2004 16:27:01 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (mmmaryinla@aol.comspam) said, > It's true. They plan to tax pet food to raise money for spay/neuter. > http://www.wral.com/news/2873206/detail.html Ah, that's different. Laura  SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. You have to wonder what they are thinking. The one that would make sense would be creating a law that requires those taking in animals must have them spayed or neutered. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > A crawl at the bottom of the screen on CNN this morning says North Carolina > is considering raising taxes on pet food as a means of reducing pet > overpopulation. My first reaction would be that it's about as misguided as > raising gas taxes to discourage consumption... > > Anybody here got more background on this? > You have to wonder what they are thinking. The one that would make sense > would be creating a law that requires those taking in animals must have them > spayed or neutered. Greetings... They already have a "registration fee" that is significantly higher if your dog/cat is not neutered. Of course, irresponsible owners don't register or get annual shots. Therefore, they don't pay the fee. lal Living in NC, not looking to pay more for cat food for the spoiled rotten little critters. "LAL" <lalouque@bogus.sysmatrix.net> > They already have a "registration fee" that is significantly higher if your > dog/cat is not neutered. Of course, irresponsible owners don't register or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Living in NC, not looking to pay more for cat food for the spoiled rotten > little critters. Neither am I, but I am more concerned that the food tax for humans be repealed. We are one of only a few states that tax groceries and it hurts the poor. The bigger issue is that we have a huge deficit from all the natural disasters (and human ones) that we've had over the past years, and it has to be paid for somehow. Alcohol and cigarettes are already taxed out the wazoo. > Neither am I, but I am more concerned that the > food tax for humans be repealed. We are one of > only a few states that tax groceries. > Alcohol and cigarettes are already taxed out the wazoo. Would I be correct that NC does not have a personal income tax? > > Neither am I, but I am more concerned that the > > food tax for humans be repealed. We are one of > > only a few states that tax groceries. > > Alcohol and cigarettes are already taxed out the wazoo. > > Would I be correct that NC does not have a personal income tax? Nope. We sure do have a personal income tax. > > > Neither am I, but I am more concerned that the > > > food tax for humans be repealed. We are one of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nope. We sure do have a personal income tax. /me takes North Carolina off her list of places to live.... > > > > Neither am I, but I am more concerned that the > > > > food tax for humans be repealed. We are one of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > /me takes North Carolina off her list of places to live.... Thank you! The 1992 article regarding how the Raleigh area was the best place to live in the country was the kiss of death. Now most things that are wrong with this place are related to too may people moving here. Although, the NYC writer who said that the criteria used are based upon what cities DON'T have--such as high crime rates, pollution, etc. He pointed out that we also don't have Broadway. ;) > > Would I be correct that NC does not have a personal income tax? > Nope. We sure do have a personal income tax. Well, the amount of hurricane damage over the past decade or so has been extraordinary even in states that could be expected to be hit. Florida had no state income tax when I lived there but went wayyy off the deep end on the sin taxes you described. circa Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:36:22 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said, > > > Would I be correct that NC does not have a personal income tax? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > no state income tax when I lived there but went wayyy off the deep end on > the sin taxes you described. Pennsyltucky has a tax on breathing. I'm serious. Just the fact that you exist requires you to pay a "per capita" tax there. Cute, eh? Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > "LAL" <lalouque@bogus.sysmatrix.net> > > Living in NC, not looking to pay more for cat food for the spoiled > rotten [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > only a few states that tax groceries and it hurts the > poor. Are all groceries taxed, or certain categories of food? Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon > > "LAL" <lalouque@bogus.sysmatrix.net> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cathy I think it is all foods. Here is a link re the pet food tax. http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=1768650 > > > "LAL" <lalouque@bogus.sysmatrix.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I think it is all foods. If so, well... holy moly. NYS taxes certain foods - the idea is okay (IMO), but the details can be pretty weird. Junk food is taxed, as are pre-wrapped foods such as a sandwich - IOW a convenience item, Vs. making it at home. But as a result, one can stop at a convenience store & buy a bag of potato chips - no tax, yet a pre-wrapped deli sandwich bought as the main part of your lunch is taxed. Then, there's the marshmallow oddity: miniature ones aren't taxed ('cause supposedly one uses them in recipes), whereas full size marshmallows are taxed - since one supposedly snacks on them. Strange. > Here is a link re the pet food tax. > > http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=1768650 Hmmmm... Cathy -- "Staccato signals of constant information..." ("The Boy in the Bubble") Paul Simon >NYS taxes certain foods - the idea is okay (IMO), but the details can be >pretty weird. Junk food is taxed, as are pre-wrapped foods such as a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >('cause supposedly one uses them in recipes), whereas full size marshmallows >are taxed - since one supposedly snacks on them. Strange. Very strange. Here in Washington, we do *not* tax the prepackaged foods, that is the ones that arrive at the store prepackaged. So, you can by a vacuum packed deli salad without tax, but if you buy the salad out of the case (and the clerk packs it), then you pay tax. Sandwiches and bakery items are not taxed, but cold salads and all hot foods are taxed. What really gets me is that some bottled drinks are not taxed while plain bottled water is. Sometimes, it makes no sense. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Well I just had an experience today with Maricopa County Animal Control which makes me wonder how some people even got into animal rescue. I took Isis down to one of their facilities to get a shot as it was only $10. The woman at the counter was rude and actually said Isis needed to have a license before they would even give her a shot. Cats are not required to be licensed in this state. So, this rude obnoxious woman behind the counter was going to charge me $25 for a license plus the shot. She should have known the law regarding cats. I would have stayed there and argued my point but I decided to just leave. The Humane Society however is a different story. Their facilities seemed to be better managed and they seem to treat the public a bit better. I was never a fan of them but now that our station has a bit of a relationship with AHS now, Isis and Jade will continue to go to their clinics for shots. SignaturePanther TEK: Staying On Top Of All Your Computer Needs! www.members.cox.net/catprotector/panthertek Cat Galaxy: All Cats, All The Time! www.catgalaxymedia.com > They already have a "registration fee" that is significantly higher if your > dog/cat is not neutered. Of course, irresponsible owners don't register or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Living in NC, not looking to pay more for cat food for the spoiled rotten > little critters. >You have to wonder what they are thinking. The one that would make sense >would be creating a law that requires those taking in animals must have them >spayed or neutered. What I have always wondered is why they have such a small limit on the number of animals allowed per household in most cities. Here, the number is 3, which includes both cats and dogs. We currently have 3 cats and 2 dogs, and we have been as high as 7 cats and 3 dogs. This is with 4 owners in the home having their own animals. Now, since the legal limit is 3, we always have 3 licensed, but we cannot license any more of them. All of them are spayed/neutered, and all receive good care. We do not leave dogs outside unattended to bark, and the cats are all indoor cats. So, we are not increasing the population. We are not neglecting any of them. And we are not a nuisance to our neighbors. We would even be happy to license all of them, if we were allowed to. It is really unfortunate, because once you have 3 licensed, you cannot legally adopt another animal. So, they would rather put one down than let me adopt one. And just think how much more money they could get each year if people could legally license all of their pets, not just the limit. Now, they do have an exception for breeders that allows them to license all of their animals in addition to paying for a breeding licenase. But since all our of animals are fixed, why should I have to pay an extra fee in addition to the licenses. And would they even issue a cattery license to somebody with 3 spayed/neutered cats and 2 spayed dogs. To me, the solution is quite simple. Up the legal minimum - make it more reasonable if the animals are all spayed/neutered. And take in the extra fees that way. So many people go over the limit anyway, why not take advanatage of it. More cash for the programs, and more available homes for waiting pets. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com friesian@zoocrewphoto.com (Meghan Noecker) dumped this in news:c51qdi$s59 $0@216.145.17.194 on 07 Apr 2004: > Now, they do have an exception for breeders that allows them to > license all of their animals in addition to paying for a breeding > licenase. But since all our of animals are fixed, why should I have to > pay an extra fee in addition to the licenses. And would they even > issue a cattery license to somebody with 3 spayed/neutered cats and 2 > spayed dogs. There is something seriously wrong with a society who allows exceptions to limitations for breeding animals, yet won't adopt out the surplus already here to someone willing to register them, and keep the population in check. SignatureCheryl >friesian@zoocrewphoto.com (Meghan Noecker) dumped this in news:c51qdi$s59 >$0@216.145.17.194 on 07 Apr 2004: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >limitations for breeding animals, yet won't adopt out the surplus already >here to someone willing to register them, and keep the population in check. This is what bugs me so much. We were very lucky to get a rescued sheltie several years ago because we already had 3 licensed animals. If the sheltie had gone through the normal procedure for the rescue group, we would not have been eligible. But this was a dog needing rehab, and the sheltie rescue lady called me knowing we were interested in another rescue. She let us go and get the dog, so it didn't go through the paperwork. We had her for 6 years, and she never did become "normal". She did pretty well, and she was a wonderful sweet dog, but she would not have been an easy to place dog. I had looked into the cattery license since we would then be legal for all our animals, but it was $50 a year in addition to each individual license. So, we can be illegal and pay $45 a year, or we can be legal and pay $125 to be legal, assuming that they will accept a cattery license for spayed cats and dogs. But, if the just did the licenses for any number of well cared for altered pets, it would be $75 a year, which really isn't that bad for 5 pets. I don't mind the $15 per pet, but I think the extra $50 penalty is extremely unfair when I am not adding to the population. Meghan & the Zoo Crew Equine and Pet Photography http://www.zoocrewphoto.com > A crawl at the bottom of the screen on CNN this morning says North Carolina > is considering raising taxes on pet food as a means of reducing pet > overpopulation. My first reaction would be that it's about as misguided as > raising gas taxes to discourage consumption... And if gas was say... ten dollars a gallon... would you still be thinking of taking your 4-wheel drive SUV TRUCK up to the corner store for that gallon of milk? Of COURSE it will discourage consumption! And you'd be one of the first ones to gripe, I can assure you... > Anybody here got more background on this? Sounds like someone in government finally hit upon a winning idea. What more do you need? IBen G. > And if gas was say... ten dollars a gallon... would you still be > thinking of taking your 4-wheel drive SUV TRUCK up to the corner store > for that gallon of milk? Of COURSE it will discourage consumption! And > you'd be one of the first ones to gripe, I can assure you... Assuming gets you in trouble, butt blossom. Don't own an SUV, don't like 'em. Nobody in the family owns anything that gets less than 21mpg - city. Fuggoff Why is it that people complaining over the price per gallon of gas, but have you ever computed the price per gallon of your double espresso latte or cappuccino? Or look at the price per gallon of MILK???? Or of the triple-chocolate-chunk ice cream that you just HAVE to have.... Milk has been close to $2/gallon for over a decade now, and yet more people throw a big to-do over the gas they put in their vehicles. And yes, I own an SUV - two of them in fact: a Jeep Wrangler & a Land Rover Discovery. SignatureThe ONE and ONLY lefthanded-pathetic-paranoid-psychotic-sarcastic-wiseass-ditzy former-blonde in Bloomington! (And proud of it, too)? http://www.geocities.com/the_magic_mood_jeep/ http://community.webshots.com/user/mgcmdjeep > > And if gas was say... ten dollars a gallon... would you still be > > thinking of taking your 4-wheel drive SUV TRUCK up to the corner store [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 'em. Nobody in the family owns anything that gets less than 21mpg - city. > Fuggoff circa Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:48:32 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Magic Mood Jeep? (nobody@nowhere.net) said, > Why is it that people complaining over the price per gallon of gas, but have > you ever computed the price per gallon of your double espresso latte or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Milk has been close to $2/gallon for over a decade now, and yet more people > throw a big to-do over the gas they put in their vehicles. Cows make more milk every day. We don't have a planet full of dinosaurs waiting to die to replenish our petroleum stores. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > Magic Mood Jeep? (nobody@nowhere.net) said, ...> > Milk has been close to $2/gallon for over a decade now, and yet more people > > throw a big to-do over the gas they put in their vehicles. Today's newspaper had an article warning that the price of milk was about to skyrocket because of the cost of fuel to deliver it and the rising cost of soybeans to feed the cattle. Annie "Magic Mood Jeep©" <nobody@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:<Pfgdc.93553$gA5.1179527@attbi_s03>... > Why is it that people complaining over the price per gallon of gas, but have > you ever computed the price per gallon of your double espresso latte or [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > 'em. Nobody in the family owns anything that gets less than 21mpg - city. > > Fuggoff Yeah... so much for a bargain. Welcome to America. Land of exploitation and rip-offs. > Why is it that people complaining over the price per gallon of gas, but have > you ever computed the price per gallon of your double espresso latte or > cappuccino? Or look at the price per gallon of MILK???? Because I don't put 10 gallons of milk or coffee in my car twice a week. Signature-- ~kaeli~ Persons disagreeing with facts are always emotional and employ faulty reasoning. http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace > > And if gas was say... ten dollars a gallon... would you still be > > thinking of taking your 4-wheel drive SUV TRUCK up to the corner store [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 'em. Nobody in the family owns anything that gets less than 21mpg - city. > Fuggoff It still cost me 10 bucks a week to get where I'm going. How about you? I now only need worry that I'm going to get KILLED when one of you yuppie JERK-OFFS plows into MY FACE with the bumper of one of your big ugly TANKS... All because you got so much to say on your friggin' CELL PHONE! Bite It...!! IBen G. > > > And if gas was say... ten dollars a gallon... would you still be > > > thinking of taking your 4-wheel drive SUV TRUCK up to the corner store [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ugly TANKS... All because you got so much to say on your friggin' CELL > PHONE! As previously stated - I don't own an SUV. My weekly fuel costs are around $18 - not bad considering a 44 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. BTW, fuel tax increases to discourage consumption were tried before without producing the desired results. You really do have an issue with basic comprehension, huh? circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:02:53 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said, > As previously stated - I don't own an SUV. My weekly fuel costs are around > $18 - not bad considering a 44 mile round trip to work 5 days a week. BTW, > fuel tax increases to discourage consumption were tried before without > producing the desired results. You really do have an issue with basic > comprehension, huh? You actually read his posts? He and Goobster have become permanent residents of my killfile. Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. > circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:02:53 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > RobZip (robzip.takethisout@eudoramail.com) said, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You actually read his posts? He and Goobster have become permanent > residents of my killfile. Who is "he?" circa Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:44:51 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary (rosefan@email.com) said, > Who is "he?" See Rob's post for attribution. :-) Laura SignatureI am Dyslexia of Borg, Your a.s will be laminated. |
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