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Serval Cat's Fate in Ordinance Limbo

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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 02:01 GMT
A friend just sent me this story.  A family bought an African Serval
kitten two years ago and now the city is thinking about making them get
rid of it.    It's totally a housecat.  Too beautiful for words.  I'm
not really for keeping such exotics, but this "kitty" is family and it
would be such a shame if it had to go live in a waystation someplace.

http://www.nbc5i.com/family/2980894/detail.html

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Cheryl - 07 Apr 2004 02:34 GMT
> A friend just sent me this story.  A family bought an African Serval
> kitten two years ago and now the city is thinking about making them get
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> http://www.nbc5i.com/family/2980894/detail.html

I've been reading the progression of this story in a yahoo group and it is
really sad. Someone at Animal control screwed up and told them to just
register Gizmo in the same way domestic cats are registered with the city,
and they didn't want to own up to it and this after two years of him being
part of the family. I'm glad to see the article stating that he'll be
allowed to stay; I hadn't seen that posted in the group.

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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 03:07 GMT
Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in
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> 2004:
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> see the article stating that he'll be allowed to stay; I hadn't
> seen that posted in the group.

I just want to know what busy-bodies dropped the dime on them.  
Apparently some neighbors are the ones who told animal control out of
worry for the cat.  That cat looks plenty happy and I think the only
worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle biting dog might be
deservedly eaten.

(I hate little dogs)

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Laura R. - 07 Apr 2004 04:34 GMT
circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,

> (I hate little dogs)

Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE.

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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 06:03 GMT
Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in
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> circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
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>
> Laura

I know.  They're all over here, too.  They have such a complex.  I pass
a lot of people walking their dogs in my complex, but the ones that
bark growl and gnash their teeth at me are always the little ones.  
Yeah, I think they're so tough.  Uh huh.  Kami, who just turned 16
Saturday, could kick their butts declawed an all.  :)

If you're going to get a dog, get a DOG.  

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Laura R. - 09 Apr 2004 04:07 GMT
circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:03:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> If you're going to get a dog, get a DOG.  

If you want a small dog, get a cat. :-)

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Dennis Carr - 09 Apr 2004 15:33 GMT
> circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Brandy  Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
>>
>> (I hate little dogs)
>>
> Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE.

You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever
touch the ground outside of the house, right?

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MacCandace - 10 Apr 2004 02:55 GMT
<< You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever
touch the ground outside of the house, right? >>

And they have outfits.  Several, usually.

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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 08:43 GMT
circa Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:33:11 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Dennis Carr (ke6isf@spamcop.net) said,
> >> (I hate little dogs)
> >>
> > Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE.
>
> You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever
> touch the ground outside of the house, right?

Yes, purse stuffing.

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 10 Apr 2004 14:33 GMT
> circa Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:33:11 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
> Dennis Carr (ke6isf@spamcop.net) said,
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Sounds like Japan...

One of my Japanese friends has Maltese terriers.  She never uses those doggy
bags, but her dogs generally do not touch the ground outside.  When she has
them in the garden, she carries them from inside to a chair or bench in the
yard.  If she's out talking to a neighbour, she'll carry one or both of them
outside with her so they can get some fresh air.  If she takes them for
walks, they usually ride in something that looks like those old lady
shopping carts that can be used as seats.  The only time they are allowed to
walk outside is right before they take baths.  She'll walk them, then carry
them from outside directly to the tub so their paws don't touch the inside
of the house.

Another friend who has a flat-haired lab (?) has her dog wear little booties
or washes her feet before she brings her indoors.

It should be noted, however, that this is very much a cultural thing related
to cleanliness.  Japanese people never wear their shoes inside their homes
(nor do many other Asian cultures) because soles of shoes are filthy (you
step in poop, spit, and god knows what else).  It makes sense that they
would not allow their dogs to step from outside to inside without washing
them first.  Cats, however, are often excepted from this rule.  Many
housecats I knew were outdoor-only cats, but those who were also allowed
indoors were generally thought of as being clean (because cats groom
themselves frequently).  Apartment cats were generally indoor-only cats,
though.

Did I ever mention the people who dye their dogs' hair bright pink or
purple?

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Brandy??Alexandre - 10 Apr 2004 18:02 GMT
Rona Yuthasastrakosol <prasantrin@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> It should be noted, however, that this is very much a cultural
> thing related to cleanliness.  Japanese people never wear their
> shoes inside their homes (nor do many other Asian cultures)
> because soles of shoes are filthy (you step in poop, spit, and god
> knows what else).

A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign
Service (I almost made it) is posted in China.  She said the place just
grosses her out.  The air is not only polluted, but people spit like no
tomorrow and honk loogies (sp?) out their noses on the sidewalk.  She
wants to quit, but they'd send her a bill for her relocation, so she
needs to stick it out for another year.  I told her to just keep an eye
out for a nice welath Chinese businessman.  She said it wouldn't so bad
because the upper classes and much different, but she'd still be
dodging loogies her entire married life.  

I about died laughing.  :)

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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 19:03 GMT
circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:02:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign
> Service (I almost made it) is posted in China.  She said the place just
> grosses her out.  The air is not only polluted, but people spit like no
> tomorrow and honk loogies (sp?) out their noses on the sidewalk.

She has apparently never lived in New York. It is ridiculously common
here, as well. It does seem to be a cultural thing to a large extent,
but is one of the side effects of living in the great melting pot.
The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger
and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly
puked. Now I just make nasty faces at people when I see them do it.
If I've had a particularly annoying ride in on the subway that
morning, I may even say "NASTY!" It doesn't stop them from doing it
again, I'm sure, but it makes me feel better and offloads a little
agression. <G>

And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to
anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step
without passing over (or through) at least three globs of spit/snot.

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MacCandace - 10 Apr 2004 22:53 GMT
<< And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to
anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step
without passing over (or through) at least three globs of spit/snot.

Laura >>

Yukkers, and here I thought you were living the good life after seeing your
apt. pics.  ;)

I think I'll stay in Phoenix.  I never see that.  Occasionally, you'll see some
redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare.

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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 23:35 GMT
circa 10 Apr 2004 21:53:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to
> anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step
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> Yukkers, and here I thought you were living the good life after seeing your
> apt. pics.  ;)

Ah, but nobody spits on the floor of my apartment. :-) The cats puke
on it, but at least I usually hear that coming, and besides, it's
better than puking on the furniture. <G>

> I think I'll stay in Phoenix.  I never see that.  Occasionally, you'll see some
> redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare.

That's one of the things about living here- the grossness is somehow
part of its charm. ;-)

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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 23:41 GMT
circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:35:00 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Laura R. (UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com) said,
> > I think I'll stay in Phoenix.  I never see that.  Occasionally, you'll see some
> > redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare.
> >
> That's one of the things about living here- the grossness is somehow
> part of its charm. ;-)

Oh, and you'll find that many New Yorkers are compulsive hand-
washers, with good reason. <G>

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Brandy??Alexandre - 10 Apr 2004 23:46 GMT
Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in
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> Ah, but nobody spits on the floor of my apartment. :-) The cats puke
> on it, but at least I usually hear that coming, and besides, it's
> better than puking on the furniture. <G>

LOL!  Sometimes I'm just not quick enough.  I have yet to understand
why Kami will move from the easy to wipe up linoleum to the carpet to
barf.  That's just mean.

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Sherry - 11 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT
>The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger
>and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly
>puked.

Oh, that's nasty. NASTY! Ewww yuk gross.  About as nasty as people who spit
tobacco on the sidewalk.

Sherry
RobZip - 11 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT
> The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger
> and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly
> puked.

I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber
stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed
from side to side trying to get it to drop. Unfortunately (for him) he
turned sideways to the wind and the breeze lofted the dangling end up and
stuck it to the side of his head.
MacCandace - 11 Apr 2004 00:51 GMT
<< I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber
stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed
from side to side trying to get it to drop. Unfortunately (for him) he
turned sideways to the wind and the breeze lofted the dangling end up and
stuck it to the side of his head. >>

Thanks for the visual.

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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 01:03 GMT
circa 10 Apr 2004 23:51:20 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber
> stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed
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>
> Thanks for the visual.

I'm laughing my fool head off at it, though. <G>

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Apr 2004 07:41 GMT
> A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign
> Service (I almost made it) is posted in China.  She said the place just
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> because the upper classes and much different, but she'd still be
> dodging loogies her entire married life.

My plan is to marry a Japanese man who works for a large multi-national
corporation so we can be transferred all over the world.  A friend's husband
works for Honda.  They've been stationed in Canada for the last 6 years and
will probably go to the US or Europe after that.  That's the life *I* want
to lead--travel, cultural immersion, plus excellent benefits and perks--what
more could I want :-).

I think I might have implied that spitting, etc. was a cultural thing, but
that was not my intention.  It is the taking off of shoes when entering a
home that is cultural.  I remember my first experience visiting someone's
home in Japan--I took off my shoes, stepped onto the floor of the entrance,
and then stepped into my friend's home.  My friend's son, who was maybe 3 or
4 at the time, pointed to my feet and said something in Japanese to his
father and his father quickly covered his (the son's) mouth sort of
embarrassedly.  I immediately knew I had done something wrong and suspected
it was stepping onto the floor.  I later asked another friend and found that
the floor of the entrance is similar to outside in that you've tracked
whatever dirt from outside onto that floor.  Usually, you enter the home,
slip your feet a little out of your shoes, and then step up into the home
from your shoes (the entrance is lower than the rest of the home).  Oops.  I
never made that mistake again!

It's interesting how different cultures have different concepts of
cleanliness.  In some ways, blowing snot out of your nose directly onto the
ground is actually cleaner since your hands don't touch the snot.  I've seen
so many people blow quite heavily into tissues, and then proceed to touch
anything and everything around them without washing their hands.  I think
that's just as gross as seeing a ball of snot fly out of someone's nose.
Well, maybe not *as* gross, but it's right up there.

rona

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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 08:03 GMT
circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:41:36 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,

> I think I might have implied that spitting, etc. was a cultural thing, but
> that was not my intention.

But it is. "Cultural" is not equivalent to "ethnic" or "economic". It
*is* cultural to find expressing one's fluids onto public sidewalks
acceptable or normal. The scope of the culture may be familial, or it
may be national, or it may be societal, but it's still cultural. :-)

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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 18:57 GMT
circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:33:55 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,

> Another friend who has a flat-haired lab (?) has her dog wear little booties
> or washes her feet before she brings her indoors.

Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on
one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of
both people and dogs getting electrocuted by grates in the sidewalks
and streets. Apparently the wiring that juices this city tends to
disintegrate under there and many of these grates become electrified.
Public officials tell us that people rarely notice it because of the
fact that we wear shoes that protect us from the shocks that come
from these underground "shorts", but that dogs are the most common
victims because they have no protection on their little feet.

After a woman was killed while trying to save her dogs who were being
shocked by a grate in the street (the dogs survived), the city went
on a massive supposed "cleanup" operation. They found more than a
hundred "hot spots" in the streets, but this is actually nothing new.
Apparently it is the most common complaint that ConEd gets- people or
their dogs being shocked while walking down the street. It is a known
problem that they'd just not bothered to address until the woman was
killed a couple of months ago, and a few weeks after the supposed
cleanup, a guy was on the news because his two dogs had gotten
electrocuted (but survived) by a street grate just a couple of blocks
from where the woman had been killed.

Basically, this very wordy reply is just to say that because it *is*
possible to literally be electrocuted just by walking down the street
in NYC, and because shoes offer certain protection against this,
people are now being encouraged to put booties on their dogs when
they walk them to help protect them.

For those of you who live in NY and have dogs, if you're walking your
dog(s) and the dog suddenly yelps or growls, seemingly at nothing,
check under your feet. Your dog was likely just shocked.

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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Apr 2004 07:47 GMT
> Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on
> one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of
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> from these underground "shorts", but that dogs are the most common
> victims because they have no protection on their little feet.

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=:-o!  I always knew street/sidewalk grates were hazards!  The first (maybe
second) time I lived in Japan, there was a story going around about how a
cyclist rode over one of those grates when it gave in.  The cyclist was
thrown from his bike and died from head injuries.  I have always had a fear
of them since then and try to avoid walking over them.  Now I'm even more
paranoid!  I don't want to get electrocuted!

rona

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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 08:05 GMT
circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:47:20 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> > Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on
> > one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of
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> of them since then and try to avoid walking over them.  Now I'm even more
> paranoid!  I don't want to get electrocuted!

If it's any consolation, you're more likely to die in NY of a gunshot
wound than from being electrocuted on the street. Especially in the
Bronx.

;-P

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Kitkat - 07 Apr 2004 14:02 GMT
>I think the only worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle biting dog
might be
deservedly eaten.<

Best. Quote. Ever.

peace,
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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 15:54 GMT
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>>I think the only worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle
>>biting dog
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> peace,
> pam

LOL!  Thanks.  :)  Back to the subject, I am happy to hear they're
allowed to keep the serval.  But apparently they've said in no
uncertain terms that no more exotics would be allowed in the city.  
Dustmop style rat dogs can rest easy.

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