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Serval Cat's Fate in Ordinance Limbo
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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 02:01 GMT A friend just sent me this story. A family bought an African Serval kitten two years ago and now the city is thinking about making them get rid of it. It's totally a housecat. Too beautiful for words. I'm not really for keeping such exotics, but this "kitty" is family and it would be such a shame if it had to go live in a waystation someplace.
http://www.nbc5i.com/family/2980894/detail.html
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Cheryl - 07 Apr 2004 02:34 GMT > A friend just sent me this story. A family bought an African Serval > kitten two years ago and now the city is thinking about making them get [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.nbc5i.com/family/2980894/detail.html I've been reading the progression of this story in a yahoo group and it is really sad. Someone at Animal control screwed up and told them to just register Gizmo in the same way domestic cats are registered with the city, and they didn't want to own up to it and this after two years of him being part of the family. I'm glad to see the article stating that he'll be allowed to stay; I hadn't seen that posted in the group.
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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 03:07 GMT Cheryl <jlhshadow@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > see the article stating that he'll be allowed to stay; I hadn't > seen that posted in the group. I just want to know what busy-bodies dropped the dime on them. Apparently some neighbors are the ones who told animal control out of worry for the cat. That cat looks plenty happy and I think the only worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle biting dog might be deservedly eaten.
(I hate little dogs)
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Laura R. - 07 Apr 2004 04:34 GMT circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> (I hate little dogs) Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE.
Laura
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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 06:03 GMT Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Laura I know. They're all over here, too. They have such a complex. I pass a lot of people walking their dogs in my complex, but the ones that bark growl and gnash their teeth at me are always the little ones. Yeah, I think they're so tough. Uh huh. Kami, who just turned 16 Saturday, could kick their butts declawed an all. :)
If you're going to get a dog, get a DOG.
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Laura R. - 09 Apr 2004 04:07 GMT circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:03:41 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> If you're going to get a dog, get a DOG. If you want a small dog, get a cat. :-)
Laura
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Dennis Carr - 09 Apr 2004 15:33 GMT > circa Wed, 07 Apr 2004 02:07:30 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Brandy Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said, >> >> (I hate little dogs) >> > Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE. You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever touch the ground outside of the house, right?
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MacCandace - 10 Apr 2004 02:55 GMT << You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever touch the ground outside of the house, right? >>
And they have outfits. Several, usually.
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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 08:43 GMT circa Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:33:11 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Dennis Carr (ke6isf@spamcop.net) said,
> >> (I hate little dogs) > >> > > Then avoid the Upper East Side of NYC. They're EVERYWHERE. > > You are talking those little dogs that eccentric women don't allow to ever > touch the ground outside of the house, right? Yes, purse stuffing.
Laura
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 10 Apr 2004 14:33 GMT > circa Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:33:11 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, > Dennis Carr (ke6isf@spamcop.net) said, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I am Dyslexia of Borg, > Your a.s will be laminated. Sounds like Japan...
One of my Japanese friends has Maltese terriers. She never uses those doggy bags, but her dogs generally do not touch the ground outside. When she has them in the garden, she carries them from inside to a chair or bench in the yard. If she's out talking to a neighbour, she'll carry one or both of them outside with her so they can get some fresh air. If she takes them for walks, they usually ride in something that looks like those old lady shopping carts that can be used as seats. The only time they are allowed to walk outside is right before they take baths. She'll walk them, then carry them from outside directly to the tub so their paws don't touch the inside of the house.
Another friend who has a flat-haired lab (?) has her dog wear little booties or washes her feet before she brings her indoors.
It should be noted, however, that this is very much a cultural thing related to cleanliness. Japanese people never wear their shoes inside their homes (nor do many other Asian cultures) because soles of shoes are filthy (you step in poop, spit, and god knows what else). It makes sense that they would not allow their dogs to step from outside to inside without washing them first. Cats, however, are often excepted from this rule. Many housecats I knew were outdoor-only cats, but those who were also allowed indoors were generally thought of as being clean (because cats groom themselves frequently). Apartment cats were generally indoor-only cats, though.
Did I ever mention the people who dye their dogs' hair bright pink or purple?
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Brandy??Alexandre - 10 Apr 2004 18:02 GMT Rona Yuthasastrakosol <prasantrin@yahoo.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> It should be noted, however, that this is very much a cultural > thing related to cleanliness. Japanese people never wear their > shoes inside their homes (nor do many other Asian cultures) > because soles of shoes are filthy (you step in poop, spit, and god > knows what else). A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign Service (I almost made it) is posted in China. She said the place just grosses her out. The air is not only polluted, but people spit like no tomorrow and honk loogies (sp?) out their noses on the sidewalk. She wants to quit, but they'd send her a bill for her relocation, so she needs to stick it out for another year. I told her to just keep an eye out for a nice welath Chinese businessman. She said it wouldn't so bad because the upper classes and much different, but she'd still be dodging loogies her entire married life.
I about died laughing. :)
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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 19:03 GMT circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:02:35 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Brandy??Alexandre (brandy@kamikaze.orgy) said,
> A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign > Service (I almost made it) is posted in China. She said the place just > grosses her out. The air is not only polluted, but people spit like no > tomorrow and honk loogies (sp?) out their noses on the sidewalk. She has apparently never lived in New York. It is ridiculously common here, as well. It does seem to be a cultural thing to a large extent, but is one of the side effects of living in the great melting pot. The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly puked. Now I just make nasty faces at people when I see them do it. If I've had a particularly annoying ride in on the subway that morning, I may even say "NASTY!" It doesn't stop them from doing it again, I'm sure, but it makes me feel better and offloads a little agression. <G>
And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step without passing over (or through) at least three globs of spit/snot.
Laura
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MacCandace - 10 Apr 2004 22:53 GMT << And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step without passing over (or through) at least three globs of spit/snot.
Laura >>
Yukkers, and here I thought you were living the good life after seeing your apt. pics. ;)
I think I'll stay in Phoenix. I never see that. Occasionally, you'll see some redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare.
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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 23:35 GMT circa 10 Apr 2004 21:53:46 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << And as far as hawking up lugies onto the sidewalk, my advice to > anybody visiting NYC is to not look down. You can't take a step [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yukkers, and here I thought you were living the good life after seeing your > apt. pics. ;) Ah, but nobody spits on the floor of my apartment. :-) The cats puke on it, but at least I usually hear that coming, and besides, it's better than puking on the furniture. <G>
> I think I'll stay in Phoenix. I never see that. Occasionally, you'll see some > redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare. That's one of the things about living here- the grossness is somehow part of its charm. ;-)
Laura
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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 23:41 GMT circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:35:00 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Laura R. (UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com) said,
> > I think I'll stay in Phoenix. I never see that. Occasionally, you'll see some > > redneck cowboy spit but that's kinda rare. > > > That's one of the things about living here- the grossness is somehow > part of its charm. ;-) Oh, and you'll find that many New Yorkers are compulsive hand- washers, with good reason. <G>
Laura
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Brandy??Alexandre - 10 Apr 2004 23:46 GMT Laura R. <UseFirstInitialPlusRobinson@technologist.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Ah, but nobody spits on the floor of my apartment. :-) The cats puke > on it, but at least I usually hear that coming, and besides, it's > better than puking on the furniture. <G> LOL! Sometimes I'm just not quick enough. I have yet to understand why Kami will move from the easy to wipe up linoleum to the carpet to barf. That's just mean.
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Sherry - 11 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT >The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger >and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly >puked. Oh, that's nasty. NASTY! Ewww yuk gross. About as nasty as people who spit tobacco on the sidewalk.
Sherry
RobZip - 11 Apr 2004 00:21 GMT > The first time I saw a man close one of his nostrils with his finger > and then blow snot out of the other onto the sidewalk, I nearly > puked. I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed from side to side trying to get it to drop. Unfortunately (for him) he turned sideways to the wind and the breeze lofted the dangling end up and stuck it to the side of his head.
MacCandace - 11 Apr 2004 00:51 GMT << I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed from side to side trying to get it to drop. Unfortunately (for him) he turned sideways to the wind and the breeze lofted the dangling end up and stuck it to the side of his head. >>
Thanks for the visual.
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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 01:03 GMT circa 10 Apr 2004 23:51:20 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MacCandace (maccandace@aol.comlitter) said,
> << I saw a bum do that trick in Jacksonville one time. The nose blubber > stretched out to about a foot long and dangled from his scnozz as he swayed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks for the visual. I'm laughing my fool head off at it, though. <G>
Laura
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Apr 2004 07:41 GMT > A friend of mine who recently got into the Dept. of State Foreign > Service (I almost made it) is posted in China. She said the place just [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > because the upper classes and much different, but she'd still be > dodging loogies her entire married life. My plan is to marry a Japanese man who works for a large multi-national corporation so we can be transferred all over the world. A friend's husband works for Honda. They've been stationed in Canada for the last 6 years and will probably go to the US or Europe after that. That's the life *I* want to lead--travel, cultural immersion, plus excellent benefits and perks--what more could I want :-).
I think I might have implied that spitting, etc. was a cultural thing, but that was not my intention. It is the taking off of shoes when entering a home that is cultural. I remember my first experience visiting someone's home in Japan--I took off my shoes, stepped onto the floor of the entrance, and then stepped into my friend's home. My friend's son, who was maybe 3 or 4 at the time, pointed to my feet and said something in Japanese to his father and his father quickly covered his (the son's) mouth sort of embarrassedly. I immediately knew I had done something wrong and suspected it was stepping onto the floor. I later asked another friend and found that the floor of the entrance is similar to outside in that you've tracked whatever dirt from outside onto that floor. Usually, you enter the home, slip your feet a little out of your shoes, and then step up into the home from your shoes (the entrance is lower than the rest of the home). Oops. I never made that mistake again!
It's interesting how different cultures have different concepts of cleanliness. In some ways, blowing snot out of your nose directly onto the ground is actually cleaner since your hands don't touch the snot. I've seen so many people blow quite heavily into tissues, and then proceed to touch anything and everything around them without washing their hands. I think that's just as gross as seeing a ball of snot fly out of someone's nose. Well, maybe not *as* gross, but it's right up there.
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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 08:03 GMT circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:41:36 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> I think I might have implied that spitting, etc. was a cultural thing, but > that was not my intention. But it is. "Cultural" is not equivalent to "ethnic" or "economic". It *is* cultural to find expressing one's fluids onto public sidewalks acceptable or normal. The scope of the culture may be familial, or it may be national, or it may be societal, but it's still cultural. :-)
Laura
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Laura R. - 10 Apr 2004 18:57 GMT circa Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:33:55 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> Another friend who has a flat-haired lab (?) has her dog wear little booties > or washes her feet before she brings her indoors. Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of both people and dogs getting electrocuted by grates in the sidewalks and streets. Apparently the wiring that juices this city tends to disintegrate under there and many of these grates become electrified. Public officials tell us that people rarely notice it because of the fact that we wear shoes that protect us from the shocks that come from these underground "shorts", but that dogs are the most common victims because they have no protection on their little feet.
After a woman was killed while trying to save her dogs who were being shocked by a grate in the street (the dogs survived), the city went on a massive supposed "cleanup" operation. They found more than a hundred "hot spots" in the streets, but this is actually nothing new. Apparently it is the most common complaint that ConEd gets- people or their dogs being shocked while walking down the street. It is a known problem that they'd just not bothered to address until the woman was killed a couple of months ago, and a few weeks after the supposed cleanup, a guy was on the news because his two dogs had gotten electrocuted (but survived) by a street grate just a couple of blocks from where the woman had been killed.
Basically, this very wordy reply is just to say that because it *is* possible to literally be electrocuted just by walking down the street in NYC, and because shoes offer certain protection against this, people are now being encouraged to put booties on their dogs when they walk them to help protect them.
For those of you who live in NY and have dogs, if you're walking your dog(s) and the dog suddenly yelps or growls, seemingly at nothing, check under your feet. Your dog was likely just shocked.
Laura
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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 11 Apr 2004 07:47 GMT > Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on > one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > from these underground "shorts", but that dogs are the most common > victims because they have no protection on their little feet. <snip>
=:-o! I always knew street/sidewalk grates were hazards! The first (maybe second) time I lived in Japan, there was a story going around about how a cyclist rode over one of those grates when it gave in. The cyclist was thrown from his bike and died from head injuries. I have always had a fear of them since then and try to avoid walking over them. Now I'm even more paranoid! I don't want to get electrocuted!
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Laura R. - 11 Apr 2004 08:05 GMT circa Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:47:20 +0900, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Rona Yuthasastrakosol (prasantrin@yahoo.com) said,
> > Actually, here in NY, putting booties (especially rubber-soled) on > > one's dog is actually a very good idea. We've had a recent rash of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > of them since then and try to avoid walking over them. Now I'm even more > paranoid! I don't want to get electrocuted! If it's any consolation, you're more likely to die in NY of a gunshot wound than from being electrocuted on the street. Especially in the Bronx.
;-P
Laura
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Kitkat - 07 Apr 2004 14:02 GMT >I think the only worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle biting dog might be deservedly eaten.<
Best. Quote. Ever.
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Brandy??Alexandre - 07 Apr 2004 15:54 GMT Kitkat <kitkatluna@aol.complex> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>I think the only worry was that someone's useless rat-like ankle >>biting dog [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > peace, > pam LOL! Thanks. :) Back to the subject, I am happy to hear they're allowed to keep the serval. But apparently they've said in no uncertain terms that no more exotics would be allowed in the city. Dustmop style rat dogs can rest easy.
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