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Finding apartments that take 4 cats?
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Anonymous Poster - 05 Apr 2004 18:04 GMT My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell our house. We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult time finding an apartment that doesn't have a 2 cat limit. The funny thing is, many of them will allow 2 giant dogs. 2 elephants. Just 2 of anything. So 4 little kitties is EXACTLY the same as 2 big dogs. Very frustrating. I don't mind paying fees, even though our cats are well behaved and we're very hygienic about vacuuming and cleaning up after them. We just flat can't find any place that isn't in the ghetto that allows more than 2 cats? Any ideas on how to deal with this?
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Karen - 05 Apr 2004 18:13 GMT Well, I just kept calling and asking. I offered higher deposit for "with claws". I think you have better luck if you rent a house apartment rather than a complex apartment. I wouldn't give up just when told over phone. Talk to an actual manager, because they can be much more ready to deal. Just keep calling and trying. Ask your vet too. See if they have clients who rent somewhere with more than two cats. Main thing is to be sure to *ask*, don't just take apartment literature or policies as carved in stone.
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> My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell > our house. We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anonymous in case apartment complex managers Google. Anonymous Poster - 05 Apr 2004 18:53 GMT > Well, I just kept calling and asking. I offered higher deposit for "with > claws". I think you have better luck if you rent a house apartment rather [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Karen We are asking and it isn't going well. I live in a big city where most complexes are owned by major corps. So they have policies in place, follow them to the letter, etc.
Mary - 05 Apr 2004 18:25 GMT >We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult >time finding an apartment that doesn't have a 2 cat limit. A lot of cities have 2-3 cat limits also. I would show the landlord photos of how great your home looked with your 4 cats. Then I'd offer a pet deposit agreement. Below is a sample one. http://www.apartmentownersassociation.com/forms_downloads/SampleForms/peta greement.pdf Tell them that your cats don't claw carpets or drapes and will not spray or pee. You agree to replace the drapes and carpeting if they do.
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> My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell > our house. We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > can't find any place that isn't in the ghetto that allows more than 2 > cats? Any ideas on how to deal with this? Not that I advocate this or anything, but I've had more pets than the limit for years and no one has ever said anything. It's not like they come in and count them. I'm over by two pets. My city ordinance states that one can have 2 dogs or cats or a combo. I have 3 cats and a dog. However, I do own my condo, so that may make a difference.
On a side note, I own my condo for less than most people pay for rent around here (I save over $100 a month, and that's with the association and electric added in). You may want to consider that. Apartments don't have equity - you lose everything you pay them. Condos are half of what houses cost, at least in my area. I got mine for $80k as a starter home.
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Anonymous Poster - 05 Apr 2004 23:18 GMT > Not that I advocate this or anything, but I've had more pets than the > limit for years and no one has ever said anything. It's not like they > come in and count them. I'm over by two pets. My city ordinance states > that one can have 2 dogs or cats or a combo. I have 3 cats and a dog. > However, I do own my condo, so that may make a difference. We're trying to be forthright, but considering I'm not going to just give the cats up as some of these places would have us do, it's hard to know what our options are. In fact, two places we looked at had people showing us the units who talked openly (two people in one day) about having cats that were declawed in order to protect their "thousand dollar furniture". That was really frustrating. (A) Because I'm laid off so I can't afford thousand dollar furniture and (B) because we buy cheap furniture because our cats lives and happiness are more important than our furniture... and (C) it is possible to keep cats from scratching furniture if you actually pay some attention to their needs. Ugh. Anyway, it was very frustrating.
> On a side note, I own my condo for less than most people pay for rent > around here (I save over $100 a month, and that's with the association > and electric added in). You may want to consider that. Apartments don't > have equity - you lose everything you pay them. Condos are half of what > houses cost, at least in my area. I got mine for $80k as a starter home. I would consider that if the economy wasn't so bad. The reason we're even in this spot is because I got laid off from the tech industry and we're selling our house. Tech isn't exactly hopping right now. I don't know if I'll ever get employed in this industry again, so I will not consider buying a house until companies consider giving us some jobs that aren't located in Bangalor.
KellyH - 06 Apr 2004 01:53 GMT You also may want to talk to a local rescue organization for information on finding a pet-friendly apartment. They might have a list, or a volunteer might be a landlord, or know someone. We were also in a similar predicament when my brother-in-law, who's house we were renting, decided to cash in on the real estate boom and sell the house. That meant we had to move. We started looking around for apartments, and were running into the same problem with our 3 cats (at the time, now it's 5). We lucked into a condo that my husband's co-worker was selling, and honestly, the mortgage payment is less than we would pay in rent. Maybe you could buy something small? We are also technically over the pet limit for our condos, but all they will do is fine us.
I applaud you for considering your cats in this situation. As a rescue volunteer, we get so many cats that are just left behind when people move. Also a round of applause for your stance on declawing. I don't know how people can value objects more than the welfare of their pets.
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> > Not that I advocate this or anything, but I've had more pets than the > > limit for years and no one has ever said anything. It's not like they [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > buying a house until companies consider giving us some jobs that aren't > located in Bangalor. Anonymous Poster - 06 Apr 2004 02:06 GMT > You also may want to talk to a local rescue organization for information on > finding a pet-friendly apartment. They might have a list, or a volunteer I'll give that a look, thanks.
> lucked into a condo that my husband's co-worker was selling, and > honestly, the mortgage payment is less than we would pay in rent. Maybe > you could buy something small? We are also technically over the pet > limit for our condos, but all they will do is fine us. Read my previous post. We can't afford another house really. I mean, we can, but the economy is so whacked out that I wouldn't do it right now. This economy is so screwed up right now, with jobs being outsourced at breakneck pace, that I don't know if I'll ever find work in my field again. I'm not willing to risk tying myself to a 30 year mortgage. I mean, I'll take the risk to save the cats, but I'm exploring all other options first, because I think the housing market is ready for a correction and I'd prefer not to be on the wrong side of that correction, given that I'm unemployed and have no real hope for getting a job the way it looks right now.
> I applaud you for considering your cats in this situation. As a rescue > volunteer, we get so many cats that are just left behind when people > move. Also a round of applause for your stance on declawing. I don't > know how people can value objects more than the welfare of their pets. Thanks. We WILL NOT compromise on these issues. We rescued these 4 babies, because they needed a loving home. Not a place to be an accessory or a temporary distraction. They're part of the family. I'm a real softy, personally. There are days where I look at my cats and I think to myself "I'm glad I met you". I know that sounds weird, but they all have such distinct and interesting personalities, that I can't imagine treating them any other way.
Ginger-lyn Summer - 05 Apr 2004 21:42 GMT >My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell >our house. We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Anonymous in case apartment complex managers Google. Good luck to you on your search.
Don't give up. Ask friends who have multiple animals for referrals. Look for ads that say "pet-friendly" or "pets allowed". Check with veterinarians' offices and shelters, too. Be honest with any potential landlord about how many cats you have. Offer to pay for any potential damages should they occur (while reassuring a potential landlord that it is highly unlikely). Seek out individual landlords, who may be more flexible.
I'm giving all this advice as someone who was in the same position you are now back in 1986. I found an individual landlord who advertised "pets allowed", and told him I had four cats (at the time). He pointed out that if the place had to be fumigated, it would come out of my deposit, and I said "Of course." I moved in, and have been here ever since. Now I help him with small repairs and interviewing potential tenants. I have placed fliers advertising the apartments as "pet-friendly" in vets' offices and shelters, and he still includes "pets allowed" in the newspaper ads.
There used to be a group around here that had a brochure listing pet-friendly apartments, but I don't know if they still exist. You may also try to find out if any organizations in your city have something similar.
Hope you find what you need soon.
Ginger-lyn
Dennis Carr - 06 Apr 2004 03:35 GMT > My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell > our house. Yeesh, you can't refinance?
We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult
> time finding an apartment that doesn't have a 2 cat limit. The funny thing > is, many of them will allow 2 giant dogs. 2 elephants. Just 2 of anything. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can't find any place that isn't in the ghetto that allows more than 2 > cats? Any ideas on how to deal with this? Kaeli's right, actually - they won't look for it - but there's more to note, and I'll tell you why - it's a bit of insight I got from the managers here where my wife and I live.
Now mind you, was able to check your headers and determine you're up in San Jose. I'm down in Garden Grove, so as far as what I say, YMMV - a lot of this varies between cities and depends on the mood of the management at any given moment. Also noted that you're using the same usenet client as I do. Good show there. =^^=
As a general rule, one of the ideas to running an apartment complex is "occupancy". Yes, you have no equity when you rent because it's not yours, but the point is that they want people living there because the higher the occupancy, the more money the owner gets.
One key to occupancy is not being draconian with your tenants - rather, working with them and overlooking seemingly trivial stuff as long as said trivial stuff does not get in the way and cause a major problem.
Now, as mentioned, the 2 cats problem is something of an issue for people who have more than their fair share of cats. It's seemingly arbitrary, but you get too many and crap happens. But on the other hand, one of our neighbors maintains eight cats indoors, and is the sort who will go around our neighborhood and make food drops for the local strays, and trap fix and release in the meantime.
And she doesn't have a problem with management because management doesn't have a problem with her - the occasional noise aside, and the occasional litterbox odor as well, she makes it a point to keep her cat kennels and cat boxes obsessively clean, and many of the cats are pseudo-patients of hers that she's trying to domesticate a bit. She has a modicum of success. But I digress.
The point is that - at least, around here - a property manager can use it as a card if they really don't like you or if you're causing problems on their property, but generally speaking they won't come into your apartment for the sole purpose of counting your cats and making sure you're not over the limit, maintenance won't report you for having four cats unless they're causing an unbearable stench, and if management finds out what's going on, like I suggested above, they'll probably overlook it if you've been a good tenant otherwise and they aren't causing problems. But, I wouldn't recommend moving them in until you've settled down in your new apartment and made sure that there are no maintenance issues. You will probably look forward to having to kennel them with friends for a short while.
> Anonymous in case apartment complex managers Google. I don't think they have that kind of time. =^^=
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Anonymous Poster - 06 Apr 2004 04:36 GMT >> My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell >> our house. > > Yeesh, you can't refinance? Refinance to what? Our mortgage payment is around $1500 on one income? That doesn't leave much on just my wife's income unless we refinance at 1%.
> Now mind you, was able to check your headers and determine you're up in > San Jose. I'm down in Garden Grove, so as far as what I say, YMMV - a Huh? Maybe my ISP is. I'm not.
> finds out what's going on, like I suggested above, they'll probably > overlook it if you've been a good tenant otherwise and they aren't > causing problems. But, I wouldn't recommend moving them in until you've > settled down in your new apartment and made sure that there are no > maintenance issues. You will probably look forward to having to kennel > them with friends for a short while. We'll have a home overlap, so that's not a problem.
>> Anonymous in case apartment complex managers Google. > > I don't think they have that kind of time. =^^= Probably not, but I'm distrustful of people in general, so best to play it somewhat safe.
Scruffy892 - 06 Apr 2004 13:29 GMT We had this exact same problem a few months ago (house to apartment, 4 cats in a 2 cat town). I was really starting to panic, too. I knew it would be harder to find something, but, I swear, the way some people reacted, you'd think I said I had four anacondas. In fact, they may have preferred that.
Do keep calling around. Even places you never considered before. In every community, there has got to be a REALLY pet friendly complex. I didn't know this until I had made the 40th call and stumbled across ours. This place is like a zoo (in a good way), and I never would have known about it--even from asking around.
The key to our success was their desperation. It was November, which is a really low point for new rentals. They went out of their way to get us in here. You don't have the season thing working for you (although I would advise you to rent something before school is out), but there are other kinds of desperation. If it is an option, I would look for a place that is slightly more expensive than the apartment is worth. These tend to be less desirable "investments" for the average apartment hunter, and hence, probably unoccupied. Ours is kind of a midrange place. Low rent landlords have been burned by so much that they will rarely give you a chance (the exception being low end complexes--which are scary). High end places are paranoid about having their fine carpets shredded (and whatever else they imagine a cat can do).
Explain your desperation to the leasing agent. If they won't budge, talk to the owner/ manager. In the cases where they were willing to compromise for us (only 3), a sympathetic (or agressive/desperate?) agent went to bat for us with the manager. But it's very hard to tell during the intiial conversation if the rules are truly written in stone or if the agent just isn't very imaginative.
Do try the Humane Society, vets, rescue groups, etc. If they have a list, it will at least weed out the places that don't allow pets at all. This was of no help to us, though--99% of these places had the 2 pet rule.
Offer every concession you can think of: an extra large deposit, taking an apartment with older carpeting... Expect to pay a lot more for anyplace that's willing to work with you. Most will want a pretty hefty pet deposit plus monthly pet rent.
Some less than rational things I considered in my desperation: bribery, fake references, mobile homes (this was remedied quickly when we took a drive though the "parks". The number of Confederate flags used as window dressings was far too disturbing).
You very well may have to end up lying about the number of cats you have. I realize now that I could have done that, but at the time I feared being thrown out on the street. My cats are so skittish that no one could count them if they wanted to. If maintenance came in unannounced (which they would only do in an emergency), they'd be lucky to find one cat. Just make sure there are plenty of really good hiding places, and any self-respecting cat will take care of the rest himself. If you have those perverse dog-like felines that love strangers and don't have sense enough to hide, then this option is definitely not for you.
Good luck--I really do feel your pain.
Napoleon - 06 Apr 2004 21:36 GMT > We had this exact same problem a few months ago (house to apartment, 4 cats in > a 2 cat town). I was really starting to panic, too. I knew it would be harder [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Good luck--I really do feel your pain. I think those are good ideas, but IME if the complex is owned by a large company, like the OP said is common where he lives, the leasing agents are loathe to ignore company policies. Still, that doesn't mean it can't happen.
One suggestion I might make is to look to rent someone's condo instead of an apartment. In some areas condos will often rent for an amount pretty comperable to what you pay for a similar apartment. This largely depends on how popular condos are where you live. In some areas with high land prices they are desirable and easy to sell, in areas where land prices are relatively low they are often not easily sold once you buy them and it's not to hard to find owners who are a little desperate to rent them out because they have bought a house or have moved to another city. Individual owners are usually more flexible than corporate landlords, but with respect to your situation you would have to be sure you wouldn't be in violation of the condo rules. That might be as big a problem as finding an apartment that would take four cats. And of course there are downsides as well as upsides to renting from an individual owner. At least it opens up another area of possibilities.
Kudos to you for taking your responsibilities to the kitties seriously in a difficult situation.
Cat Protector - 07 Apr 2004 00:59 GMT How using an apartment locator service and let them know what your needs are? They may be able to find a complex that accepts multiple felines.
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Cox SMTP west - 09 Apr 2004 06:09 GMT > My wife and I are in a real bind. I lost my job and thus we have to sell > our house. We need to find an apartment, but are having a really difficult [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Anonymous in case apartment complex managers Google. The apartment locator is a good idea. You might also want to try a realtor. We just bought a new build and sold our current house. So we needed a temporary place. We currently have 4 'babies' as well. They deal with this situation all the time, even in your area I'm sure. They'll also help with the lease contract too. Our real estate agent came over and is allergic to cats. He didn't know we had any for the first 30 minutes he was in our house. Until one came out an made her presence known. But a lot of realor have property they personally lease too. So if you contacted one you might luck into someone that understands you plight all to well and have a vacancy to rent.
JJ
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