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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2006Bald eagle a hazard for cats?
There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? Yes. And during the day, too. -L. > > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > > Yes. And during the day, too. > > -L. :) The boys of summer are back. Sadly, many of them are in their 50s. "Uh, my cat is attracted to the woodchipper and keeps trying to jump in. Do you think I should keep her away from it?" This seems like the latest inept strategy to upset cat folks. SOMEBODY needs a new hobby. > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? You should always keep your cats inside, unless they are on a leash. Are people ever going to learn this? >> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >> in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > >You should always keep your cats inside, unless they are on a leash. Are >people ever going to learn this? I let them out into my small fenced in backyard when I'm home. There is some risk that some giant bird will carry one off or an outside cat will excite them, and a bigger risk that they'll get some stupid bird or critter of some kind. They do try to get the local oppossum, and managed to get some baby oppossums a few weeks back but I rescued them. There is some small risk that they can get out; Nipsy did that twice a few weeks back and I expanded the fence where he got over and he can't get out there now. He was trying to get a bird in a tree. When the back door is open during the nice weather, they spend all their time outside. What does that tell you about where they would rather be? Sure I can keep them inside all the time, but the small risk of some incident is more than offset by the enjoyment they get lying in (and chewing) the grass or hiding in the bushes, or chasing each other around the yard. I have a cement wall, about four feet high, at the back of the yard. Most of the time it's in the shade. They lie in the shade on that wall for hours, watching birds fly by, then they jump down and stalk some worms, and eat a bug. If you can let your cats out safely, then do so. > When the back door is open during the nice weather, they spend all > their time outside. What does that tell you about where they would > rather be? I'm sure they wouldn't mind napping in the middle of the road, either. But that doesn't mean it would be wise to allow them to do so. >I have a cement wall, about four feet > high, at the back of the yard. Most of the time it's in the shade. > They lie in the shade on that wall for hours, watching birds fly by, > then they jump down and stalk some worms, and eat a bug. > > If you can let your cats out safely, then do so. I have yet to see situation in which a cat can be safely allowed outdoors without a leash or cage. >> When the back door is open during the nice weather, they spend all >> their time outside. What does that tell you about where they would [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I have yet to see situation in which a cat can be safely allowed outdoors > without a leash or cage. With the provision that a human is at the other end of the leash. They enacted a leash law in a nearby city and there was soon an article in the paper about a kitten left on a leash tied to a lawn chair that had gotten tangled and strangled. > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight?>> I believe that in certain circumctances cats should be allowed out and this is not one of them! They are in danger from coyoyes too. Build a run or leash walk them. Alison > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? cats don't have any natural enemies (is why we got so many) >> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >> in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > >cats don't have any natural enemies >(is why we got so many) They may not have any natural enemies but to a hungry bird of prey a of any sort a kitten is an easy meal. OF COURSE YOU SHOULD KEEP THEM IN AS LONG AS IT IS AROUND!!! Common sense man!!! >> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >> in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > > cats don't have any natural enemies > (is why we got so many) Oh, my. Let's see, the fisher, coyotes, maybe even bobcat and lynx... >>> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >>> in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Oh, my. Let's see, the fisher, coyotes, maybe even bobcat and lynx... Technically I don't think they are natural enemies because domestic felines are not native to North America. Easy pickings for predators however. -mhd Oh man, those juveniles are huge! Your cats are not safe with an eagle around. Rhonda > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? While driving a truck down an San Jose, California street one day at about 35 MPH, a large raptor unexpectedly flew from left to right directly in front of my windshield. The bird was weighed down by an animal it held in its talons; it was desperately trying to gain altitude. I swear, it was a scene right out of an Alfred Hitchcock movie. I almost hit the bird. Its prey was limp and pretty certainly dead. The prey was about the size of an average adult cat (maybe on the small side), but I didn't get a clear enough look to say for sure what it was. The bird wasn't as large as a full-grown eagle, but it was big enough to shake me up. Had I collided with it at that speed, I'm pretty sure it would have broken my windshield. Without knowing for sure, I would guess that the bird had picked up some roadkill for dinner. I doubt whether that bird could have killed a cat that size easily, if at all. Even so, I now consider it a fact that small pets-- especially juveniles like puppies and kittens-- could be taken by any raptor of sufficient size and temperament. > > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > small pets-- especially juveniles like puppies and kittens-- could be > taken by any raptor of sufficient size and temperament. A Great Horned Owl can take down cats and an eagle can take down the GHO. Eagles, some, prefer fish but other eagles can certainly take cats and small dogs. The eagles are easier to spot. A golden eagle is huge. And their talons will go right through anything they grab. The owls are quite treacherous and you really don't hear them coming until it's too late. Amazing, deadly birds. And extremely good night vision. The female golden eagle can weigh as much as many a full grown cat. This is a bird you do not want to annoy. And its wing span can get over 7 feet and when it dives, it can go past 100 mph. Just imagine if someone dropped a 12 pound ball from the roof of a tall building on top of you. Well, the eagle pulls out of its dive or stoop before it hits you but still, that's a mean wallop. > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? No, a.shole, I think you should roast your imaginary kitties and serve them up on a platter. Nice headers. lol > There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > in our back yard. It's probably a hawk or a falcon and you just think it's an eagle, since eagles do not "hang out" in trees. They prefer instead to hang ten a couple of hundred feet up and let their eyes (which are about a million times better than yours) do the work. Hawks will hang in a tree if they think there's a free meal to be had though. > Should I keep the kitties inside tonight? The big adult eagles with a nest nearby are the ones you need fear.. I saw an adult bald eagle carrying off a largemouth bass while I was out fishing once that I know went three pounds. They had a nest about half a mile away with a couple of young to feed. They wouldn't hesitate, nor would they discriminate I've got to believe. Nor should they... IBen >> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >> in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > million times better than yours) do the work. Hawks will hang in a tree > if they think there's a free meal to be had though. You are a complete moron If you believe that "Eagles don't hang out in trees" where the f.ck do you think they live up your a.s >>>There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >>>in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You are a complete moron If you believe that "Eagles don't hang out in > trees" where the f.ck do you think they live up your a.s Eagles hang out in trees. I have lots of pictures... Rhonda > >>>There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > >>>in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Rhonda A young eagle just finally evicted from the parents' area might be a tad immature and staying a little more visible and lower than mature eagles do. And being confused and immature, this young eagle might not know enough to refrain from attacking a puddy cat. Or he might get too hungry. Since cats are also predators, other predators with experience might forego a cat meal since the meal can fight back. Depends on the surprise and the attack. How big the cat is and how strong and able to defend with its own claws if not killed immediately by the talons of the eagle. Now that said, where are you that they hang out in trees? And are they high up in the trees or lower like regular predators, owls and hawks? Are you in a forest or some place with lots of eagles? I only heard locally of one eagle couple hanging out in a tree and one needed a scope to see clearly. It was pretty high up. Unfortunately I don't think there are many eagles in the eastern USA anymore. I just read 20,000 !!!!!! of them were killed because the farmers thought they ate the sheep back in the 1950's. By 1963 they were protected but by then it was too late in the east. > Now that said, where are you that they hang out in trees? Seattle, just north of Green Lake. Bald eagles are fairly common around here. I have seen mature eagles hunting ducklings on the lake at the foot of my street. And eagles periodically fly over our neighborhood with flocks of angry crows and starlings pursuing them. > high up in the trees or lower like regular predators, owls and hawks? This is the first time I have seen one in our tree (about 60' up.) I viewed it through the binoculars and it was definitely a juvenile bald eagle. It sat about 18" tall from head to tail feathers, and I got a good look at its face. Unfortunately I do not have an SLR with a telephoto so the pictures I took aren't worth posting. I kept the kitties inside for the rest of the evening. -Mark >> Now that said, where are you that they hang out in trees? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >-Mark It's a genuine risk, although it doesn't happen often. I live in the San Juans, and I have talked to people who have credible, eyewitness accounts of cats being attacked by eagles and (more frequently) great horned owls. Ordinarily the cat will fend off the attack, but not without injury. As for eagles not perching in trees, that is ridiculous. Charlie >>Eagles hang out in trees. I have lots of pictures... > Since cats are also predators, other predators with experience > might forego a cat meal since the meal can fight back. Depends on the > surprise and the attack. How big the cat is and how strong and able to > defend with its own claws if not killed immediately by the talons of > the eagle. Yep, most prey is killed on impact. The force of the blow squishing them to the ground at the very least breaks their backs, whether or not they can be picked up afterwards. > Now that said, where are you that they hang out in trees? And are they > high up in the trees or lower like regular predators, owls and hawks? Near Seattle. One was cruising over McDonald's a mile from here last year, but I did not see where it landed. Also saw one at a park near here about halfway up a tree. About 2-3 hours north of Seattle is a river where many Alaska eagles winter. I've seen them stacked 4-5 to a tree at various levels. There are postcards from that area of many more in one tree. In Alaska, I saw a juvenile fly out of the lower branches of a tree. That was amazing -- it had a huge wingspan. The adults there were mainly perched at the top of evergreen trees. > Are you in a forest or some place with lots of eagles? I only heard > locally of one eagle couple hanging out in a tree and one needed a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the sheep back in the 1950's. By 1963 they were protected but by then > it was too late in the east. I think they are making a comeback around here. I even saw one that was hit by a car on the interstate in Bellevue. That was sad, they're such beautiful birds, even though I don't agree with their meal choices. Rhonda > I think they are making a comeback around here. I even saw one that was > hit by a car on the interstate in Bellevue. That was sad, they're such > beautiful birds, even though I don't agree with their meal choices. > > Rhonda I thought the bald eagle is also known as a sea eagle and their preferred food choices are really fish. Although who knows, maybe they forgot to read the bird textbooks. The slightly larger golden eagle [the one without the white head and has feathered feet] can attack substantial game. They mate for life which is pretty impressive, compared to many humans :) One eagle chases the food to exhaustion and the other golden eagle comes in for the kill. >> I think they are making a comeback around here. I even saw one that was >> hit by a car on the interstate in Bellevue. That was sad, they're such [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >compared to many humans :) One eagle chases the food to exhaustion and >the other golden eagle comes in for the kill. I live in the Fraser Valley. Bald eagles are a pest here. The eagle is an opportunistic scavenger for the most part. They only hunt when no rotting fish are lying on riverbanks. They do attack cats and rabbits a bit more inland. > >> I think they are making a comeback around here. I even saw one that was > >> hit by a car on the interstate in Bellevue. That was sad, they're such [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > rotting fish are lying on riverbanks. They do attack cats and rabbits > a bit more inland. You are an un-American swine, sir. I'll bet you have a poster of the burning Pentagon on your bedroom ceiling... Scavenger indeed.. IBen Getiner http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/26/cteq/yellow_submarine.jpg > I thought the bald eagle is also known as a sea eagle and their > preferred food choices are really fish. In the Channel Islands off the coast of California, there's an effort to trap and relocate golden eagles due to their predation of native foxes and restore bald eagles to the area. The golden eagles have almost wiped out these foxes. Bald eagles tend to prey on fish more than other critters and they frequently scavenge and steal from other birds but I still wouldn't trust them to leave a cat alone!! Bonnie > >>>There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > >>>in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Rhonda They nest in trees, Rhoda (and even then only in live ones). And yes... sometimes we might expect to find one resting on a branch. But they do not 'hang out' in trees. Any pictures that you might produce for the sake of this discussion will most likely be forgeries on your part. So don't even waste your time. I'm an old Southern boy and I know what eagles do and what the don't do. I've studied the same two mating pairs upon their annual return going on eight years now, and I know what I'm talking about. So you can just put a sock on it. If you find that difficult, just pretend it's a cucumber. I'm quite sure you know the drill... IBen >>>>>There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree >>>>>in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > IBen Gotta love ya, Iben. You try so hard. Tootles, Rhonda > >>>>>There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > >>>>>in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Rhonda You're no effort at all, Honda.. Now, why don't you go off and find a nice tree to hang out in... IBen > Any pictures that you might produce > for the sake of this discussion will most likely be forgeries on your > part. So don't even waste your time. And any posts that you might produce for the sake of this discussions will most likely be trolls on your part. "Matthew" <Iamacatslave@proudtoserve.com> wrote to 127.0.0.1: > You are a complete moron . . .where the f.ck do you think they live up > your a.s > >> There is a juvenile bald eagle hanging out in the tree > >> in our back yard. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You are a complete moron If you believe that "Eagles don't hang out in > trees" where the f.ck do you think they live up your a.s I do not deal with terrorists, Matty IBen Getiner "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> <sniped for being stupid> And I don't deal with morons and people who want to sleep with Brandy Good bye a.shole <PLONK> > "IBen Getiner" <Lappcatt@aol.com> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > <PLONK> Anytime, Matty. You may self-implode when ready. IBen Hee..Hee.. Heeeee...!! http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/26/cteq/yellow_submarine.jpg |
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