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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2006Request Help: Might take 13yo to vet
Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control seemingly...maybe a dozen times. He wasn't distressed, nor did his behavior seem to change since. Maybe it was a stroke? Could it be kidney related? The very next day he urinated on a cushion of his that I moved to an new spot. This isn't necessarily connected. He's oldish and its not the first time he's urinated to show displeasure about something. He's an inside-only cat. It was hard to search the group for such a strange symptom so I'm asking before I get worried enough to take him to the vet. I'm hopeful someone here might have seen something like this and discovered its cause or something. Ta, buzz >.. sounds like a plan to me > >.. > > sounds like a plan to me Well I appreciate the "second". He's not suffering so far as I can tell. > > >.. > > > > sounds like a plan to me > > Well I appreciate the "second". He's not suffering so far as I can > tell. His symptoms sound very serious. Please take him in. > > >.. > > > > sounds like a plan to me > > Well I appreciate the "second". He's not suffering so far as I can > tell. Buzz let me ask you.. friend When you say the cat does not appear suffering I take it your a reasonable compassionate man am I right? I thought I was.. I never suspected that you would allow your 13yo friend to wallow in misery just to save 50 bux, am I right? I thought so.. I figure you do not think he is suffering, you don't quite know why he did what he did, you're researching this matter through a cat loving group. Lemme ask you Buzzgun, did you think you would be accused of cruelty when you made your post? No, I didn't think so Buzz I am never an apologist.. however, in the interest of your 13 year old cat, I would like to know how the fella is doing today... Don't pay everybody no mind... just me ha I take it you are hoping nothing is wrong and that CAT will be on his normal way directly. Would you indulge me with a tad of background between you and your cat. for example do you spoil him and how so? what sort of food do you feed him? do you take him to the vet once a year? I just refuse to believe that you are cruel I am accused of defending heinous cruel acts, by saying it is your choice I understood you to say, you (being at least average intelligence and average compassion) did not believe your cat was suffering My point here is, I think there's more going on with people yelling at you than they are willing to admit like AL now Im in trouble for jumping AL for jumping you my first response to you (and would have been my only response) was, "sounds like a plan to me" but I don't like people yelling at others and maximizing your cats odd experience in the name of "for God's sake dumbass, take the cat to the vet" I don't get off like that I say... let the man tell us what is wrong, allow him to keep us updated with the symptoms if by chance you are a hard core mean hard-ankle a.shole... it will come to surface and we will roast your tail then.. but I know good and well, this is not who you are, and I don't think it's fair for anyone to ascert that you are. "buzzgun" <scott.points@gmail.com> wrote[...] >I'm asking before I get worried enough to > take him to the vet. Buzz-- you wrote: "His head tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control seemingly...maybe a dozen times." I sure would be worried enough to take him to the vet. > "buzzgun" <scott.points@gmail.com> wrote[...] > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I sure would be worried enough to take him to the > vet. I agree, because sometimes an animal may not seem to be in pain or suffering, but, if they act as you say which is definately not "normal", it could get worse or even fatal, if as you offered it could be a stroke. I am not a vet, and only a vet could be the one to determine the cause, treatment and outcome of your pet's condition. I sincerely hope all turns out well for you. God bless you. Bttngl.... >> "buzzgun" <scott.points@gmail.com> wrote[...] >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > outcome of your pet's condition. I sincerely hope > all turns out well for you. God bless you. Bttngl.... That is how I knew something was wrong with Rumble he was not acting normal. > I agree, because sometimes an animal may not > seem to be in pain or suffering And cats are notorious for not showing pain. > > "buzzgun" <scott.points@gmail.com> wrote[...] > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > outcome of your pet's condition. I sincerely hope > all turns out well for you. God bless you. Bttngl.... I have this little voice that says "No way is $50 going to turn anything up or produce a cure." Then I'm actually worried and feeling like I just got a parking ticket. > > > "buzzgun" <scott.points@gmail.com> wrote[...] > > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > anything up or produce a cure." Then I'm actually worried and feeling > like I just got a parking ticket. Ugh. > I have this little voice that says "No way is $50 going to turn > anything up or produce a cure." Then I'm actually worried and feeling > like I just got a parking ticket. no, actually you didn't get a ticket, you got a warning probably just in time to save his life, probably you have to view it like that I am sure you would cry if you lost your cat it could be a simple inner ear infection and he needs an antibiotic problem solved, cat lives another 9 lives > > I have this little voice that says "No way is $50 going to turn > > anything up or produce a cure." Then I'm actually worried and feeling [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > it could be a simple inner ear infection and he needs an antibiotic > problem solved, cat lives another 9 lives buzzgun, it is your cat, it is your home. I, we, can't see the exact circum- stances. If you are saying the cat has apparently HAD a stroke and now everything is "ok" and liveable, it is up to YOU. If at all possible, I would put off my internet payment, or phonebill, and take my cat to the vet and check out why the little critter's got the wobble head and all. Hang in there. > Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head > tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Ta, > buzz You need to get to a vet ASAP. These are not "ordinary" symptoms. If it were me, I would consider it an emergency and grt to a vet without waiting for "office hours." If you are concerned about cost, consider that delay could cause a more serious problem (and bigger expenses). None of us can make this type of diagnosis from the distance of the Internet, but I would be concerned about some type of neurological problem, and your cat really does need to be seen immediately. Incidentally, 13 is not "oldish." Many cats live well into their 20s. MaryL Hey!! Take your cat to the vet. Plain and simple. >> Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head >> tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > MaryL > Hey!! > Take your cat to the vet. Plain and simple. Hey!! don't be an a.s or impose your views he might just let the little f.cker die of natural causes the cat is getting up in years, sorta... but crap breaks down with age potentially the cat could cost him 1,000's of dollars whereas a backwoods dumbass mutherfucker like myself would say.. well damn, my cat got old and died (maybe at 13 yrs old)... OP damn sho don't need someone taking cheap shots at him. it's OP's choice OP didn't come here for a brow beating or a official diagnosis of the problem I goto the computer group and troubleshoot, dude is just troubleshooting although I totally agree.. sure a vet is warranted.. but why would I show all my ignorance at one time and brow beat the poster? may as well call him a f.cking idiot (no offense to anyone who may have reminded him) I don't mean it that way where is your idea of reality here? me personally? presently my plans are to let my cats go naturaly I don't plan on sticking needles in them on a daily basis, I may.. but that's my choice I am certainly well within my ethical boundaries if I chose not to It's not about the money it's' this... one day, I am certain I will be confronted with the oppurtunity to spend probably upwards of 5-600.00 (becaus my cat is getting old, and things start breaking down).. am I any less of a cat lover, or any less ehtical or any less compassionate if I chose not too? no Angel, sh.t happens, and it is up to each of us whatever we can or want to do with our pets. The OP probably is confused and feeling guilty all around - not knowing which way to let the cat go. Death is gonna happen to every single breathing organism - FACT, It is part of the contract when we CHOOSE to take on a PET. But, it don't help the pain when it is our turn to see a loved one at that stage, animal or human. Some people I guess just want to move on to another topic - let them. Others, want to comfort this OP and be a sounding board during this tough time - let them. To the OP - (what is OP) - we are here for you and are listening. To Al - whatever. To Angel - God be with you too when your pet goes through this stage of life. Bttngl... > > Hey!! > > Take your cat to the vet. Plain and simple. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > no > Angel, sh.t happens, and it is up to each of > us whatever we can or want to do with our [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > To Angel - God be with you too when your pet > goes through this stage of life. Bttngl... op means original poster or post I might have come off wrong but I am on the cats side what I really like is the OP's honesty i like that it's not the advice, the advice is right on, for sure... I think I call myself balancing the advice many here are hard-core cat lovers like myself... although... I remember there was a day when I thought nothing of declawing a cat. so there is that transition of average cat advocate to Wow! these little guys are really something, I think I intend to soften the blow? I don't know.. I just didn't like Al yelling at the fella who was being totally honest. if you got honesty from someone, you nuture that honesty, you value that honesty.. (in the best interest of the cat) sometimes the facts can be upsetting Take Judge Milan, on Peoples Court I love how she extracts the truth from people she does it with a smile, and you have no idea she is fixing to spank that a.s (excuse me) > Angel, sh.t happens, and it is up to each of > us whatever we can or want to do with our > pets. so we agree > The OP probably is confused and > feeling guilty all around - not knowing which [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be a sounding board during this tough time - > let them. yelling is not a comfort to anyone OP is not upset, the incident is done you're right! he has a weird feeling that he should get it checked out it probably scared him to see the cats head wobbling out of control. > To the OP - (what is OP) - we are > here for you and are listening. To Al - whatever. > To Angel - God be with you too when your pet > goes through this stage of life. Bttngl... the hell are you talking about! you didn't read crap I wrote you shallow hal GO BACK AND READ MY POST and see who's side Im on Im tired of being nice to assholios and shallow judgmental people fuckya! Bttngl wrote:. > > To the OP - (what is OP) - we are > > here for you and are listening. Bttngl explains: As in - caring - for your problems and everyone elses who posts too Bttngl wrote: > > To Al - whatever. Bttngl explains: As in - Live and let live - as in I ain't gettin in to his stuff he was talking. Just "What-Ever" Bttngl wrote: > > To Angel - God be with you too when your pet > > goes through this stage of life. Bttngl explains: You had written that your pet was aging and you seemed to dread this stage of old age with your pet and at the time of saying goodbye - I do not have your exact words so please do not bite my head off ok. I was just expressing sincere concern. Angel wrote: > the hell are you talking about! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > fuckya! Bttngl replies: Are you tired or sleepy or what? What wire got up your behind? Some of us have REAL concern for other people and I really believe you do too. Your posts show it. And what in the world is a "hal" I'm a bit stupid too when it comes to all this stuff. By the way, Good morning . bttngl. > Bttngl replies: > Are you tired or sleepy or what? What wire got up your behind? Some of > us have REAL concern for other people and I really believe you do too. > Your posts show it. And what in the world is a "hal" I'm a bit stupid > too when it comes to all this stuff. By the way, Good morning . bttngl. ok, you disarmed me, sorry for being ugly. but you had said, God help me and my cat if it gets sick I took it like you thought I didn't care When I said I would let my cat die naturally, I think I mean die naturally oppossed to keeping them alive through our modern day miracle science. (Right now! as it is.) If and when the time comes, and I have the money, I am sure I will do all I can to keep them alive. I have to remember that many here represent what some might call extreme Im not extreme yet, I can't afford to be, I hope I have the money to treat them if and when they ever need it, I really do.. but If I don't, I'm not going into debt or hauking my goods to prolong their life. yes, I would pawn a frivolous thing, yes, sure... pends on how much I would need. but.. I wouldn't forgo my computer... cause for me, it is the hub of my work see... even though I could do it manually, although I can't really say, somebody says, never say never so, I will just have to cross that bridge then One of the reasons I read the posts here, is so I can learn good care. you know, head off major problems. as I you say, you can't put a price on companionship... I agree, the OP here should not need to ask if those symptoms warrant a vet I mean, If I woke up and could not control my head and my head was flopping I would want it checked out.. > > Hey!! > > Take your cat to the vet. Plain and simple. > > Hey!! don't be an a.s or impose your views If you would allow Jupiter to suffer like that for any reason I would be really surprised. You might be able to get hardcore over Lucy, because you did not raise her from kittenhood, but I doubt that too. The cat needs to see a vet 13 is not old. As for the responses, people who love cats get upset when they are abused, and refusing to get medical treatment even when you do not have the money, is abuse. There is nothing relative about any of this. I am upset with you because you, like Elle in another thread, are defending someone who will not do whatever it takes to get his cat the care it needs. The creature is helpless, and likely afraid and in pain. Jesus. I take this situation very personally. It is not fair to the cat. They are not possessions, they have feelings. > If you would allow Jupiter to suffer like that for any > reason I would be really surprised. You might be able > to get hardcore over Lucy, because you did not raise her > from kittenhood, but I doubt that too. did I say he should not see a vet? didn't the man say, the cat does not appear to be suffering? and that the cat seemed normal? so lets chalk his honest question up to lack of education I get tired of this "I am better than you because I care" routine some people just don't know any better some poeple declaw theiri cats that's why I brought it up my post was for the hand slappers yelling at th OP to take the cat to the vet why not explain (as you finally did) why... why do we have to vent on someone even if they are full of ignorance their just going to say.. screw that hateful bunch of people There is no stereo type of person based on wether or not they have a good understanding of animals. cruelty is one thing, but seeing an odd thing and then feeling the cat is ok by way of monitoring his regular habits.. and deciding... "well... he seems to be ok now..." OP didn't know cats hide their pain.. now he does now he is armed with more knowledge > The cat needs to see a vet 13 is not old. > > As for the responses, people who love cats get > upset when they are abused, and refusing to get > medical treatment even when you do not have the > money, is abuse. the cat was not abused, that's absurd show me abuse it's not there.. I see concern > There is nothing relative about any of this. what does that mean, relative.. sure everything is a factor > I am upset with you because you, like Elle in > another thread, are defending someone who > will not do whatever it takes to get his cat the > care it needs. The creature is helpless, and likely > afraid and in pain. Jesus. Well that is still his choice now aint it suppose he chooses to let the cat "play out" when it's over its over. my point is, NOBODY OWES A CAT THE VET that's my point nobody should impose VETTING on anyone short of what is routine and reasonable maybe he don't love animals like some do > I take this situation very personally. It is not > fair to the cat. They are not possessions, they > have feelings. well I see you do, but I don't think it's healthy for you Im not yelling at you I don't have any soapboxes or sh.t up my crawl when I say this.. some people just don't see it like that for example, some people detest a dog in the house and some people will have a dog in their bed some folk leave their cats outside (ahem) some people wouldn't dream of it I know you understand that, Im not telling you anything new I realize but... I don't like to see you upset.. with something this common that's what I've been trying to say are you surprised that the OP may not see the urgency? there is no way you can call his actions abusive it's not there and for you to feel the need to call it that that concerns me.. > > If you would allow Jupiter to suffer like that for any > > reason I would be really surprised. You might be able [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > didn't the man say, the cat does not appear to be suffering? > and that the cat seemed normal? Nonsense. You know that cats don't show pain. He saw the cat have a seizure. > so lets chalk his honest question up to lack of education No. He is here because he KNOWS the cat needs help, he just wants to find a way out of spending the $50, as he puts it. > I get tired of this "I am better than you because I care" routine I would say that is happening in your mind. What I see, is, "how the hell can anyone see an animal it allegedly love have a seizure and NOT take it for immeditate medical attention? Nobody is trying to be "better" than anyone here. Is everything a game of one-upmanship for you? I am thinking about the cat. > some people just don't know any better > some poeple declaw theiri cats Some people just don't know any better. Some people beat their wives, shoot children. Right? > that's why I brought it up > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > why do we have to vent on someone even if they are full of ignorance Nobody is "venting." The term implies taking out something on the OP that has nothing to do with him. ALL I saw was people who were upset at the idea of a seriously ill animal getting no medical help. > their just going to say.. screw that hateful bunch of people > There is no stereo type of person based on wether or not they have a > good understanding of animals. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > by way of monitoring his regular habits.. and deciding... > "well... he seems to be ok now..." Is a great way to save "$50" as the OP put it. He came here for no other reason than to justify his refusal to get the cat the care it needs. And that is upsetting, and, in fact, heinous in my mind. > OP didn't know cats hide their pain.. now he does > now he is armed with more knowledge Horse sh.t. Read his description of the seizure. He knew then that there is a serious problem, and he knows now. His question is, "will $50 save the cat, or is she going to die anyway so that I can save the $50." Disgusting. > > The cat needs to see a vet 13 is not old. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the cat was not abused, that's absurd show me abuse > it's not there.. I see concern Oh, yes, concern, as defined as seeing your cat have a seizure and coming to Usenet instead of taking it to the vet. Ugh. Refusing to get an animal (human included) in your care medical attention when it clearly needs it is ABUSE. > > There is nothing relative about any of this. > > what does that mean, relative.. > sure everything is a factor It is simple. The cat needs help, he is duty bound to get it help and not weigh out what his f.cking $50 can get him. > > I am upset with you because you, like Elle in > > another thread, are defending someone who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Well that is still his choice now aint it It is your choice whether you want to go shoot someone in the head, too. That does not make shooting someone in the head right. You are arguing that companion pets are nothing more than objects (what the law says) and that it is RIGHT to refuse them the care they need. Shame on you. > suppose he chooses to let the cat "play out" > when it's over its over. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > it's not there and for you to feel the need to call it that > that concerns me.. His actions are abusive. >> If you would allow Jupiter to suffer like that for any >> reason I would be really surprised. You might be able [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > didn't the man say, the cat does not appear to be suffering? > and that the cat seemed normal? He said his cat's head head "tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control seemingly...maybe a dozen times." Cats are well-known not to show signs of pain until it is severe, but these symptoms are clearly those of a cat in trouble and in need of veterinary care -- probably seizures or some other neurological problem. MaryL > He said his cat's head head "tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast > and beyond his control seemingly...maybe a dozen times." Cats are > well-known not to show signs of pain until it is severe, but these symptoms > are clearly those of a cat in trouble and in need of veterinary care -- > probably seizures or some other neurological problem. yeah, I hope he took the cat to the vet I haven't seen Buzzgun in a quite a few hours I wish I knew the outcome of several stories that have passed through here > I take this situation very personally. It is not > fair to the cat. They are not possessions, they > have feelings. I guarantee he would already be at the vet if he had the money he's doesn't, he wants to justify the cost. but letting a cat die of natural causes is ok in my book if that's what someone chooses..BUT.... NO... hell no! It goes without saying... if you're not going to treat, then put them out of their misery. > > I take this situation very personally. It is not > > fair to the cat. They are not possessions, they > > have feelings. > > I guarantee he would already be at the vet if he had the money > he's doesn't, he wants to justify the cost. This is heinous. You FIND the money. Justifying the cost? Does he need more than "the cat is sick and probably scared and in pain?" His cat clearly had a seizure. > but letting a cat die of natural causes is ok in my book > if that's what someone chooses..BUT.... So you could just watch this theoretcial cat suffer, eh? > NO... hell no! It goes without saying... if you're not going to treat, > then put them out of their misery. That requires treatment. Or are you advocating shooting the cat in the head or knocking its head up against a rock, to save money, if the person "does not have it?" I think we owe these creatures, who are our companions, a lot more than that. > This is heinous. > You FIND the money. Justifying the cost? Does > he need more than "the cat is sick and probably scared and in pain?" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > So you could just watch this theoretcial cat suffer, eh? you still haven't showed me suffering maybe an ant had crawled into the cats ear sweety > I think we owe these creatures, who are our companions, a lot more than > that. everybody has access to a local animal pound, and they can relieve a suffering cat there. you call 911, they call the animal control rocks? bullets? well cybercat if I couldn't get to a phone, and my animal was suffering, and I had no bullets... no you don't smash their head with a rock, you cut their throught, you do it quick you end the suffering. > Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head > tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Ta, > buzz Classic symptom of seizure. Get your cat to a vet. -L. Buzz, hope the kitty is better today. Hope you are able to see more focused as to what you want to do and be at peace with your decision. And, hang in there. We do care and won't yell at you, so keep us all posted as to how things go. Bttngl > Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head > tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Ta, > buzz Well Buzzgun what did you do with all of this input? How is the cat? I think 13 isn't old at all. Give the animal a chance and get it some help. Just my opinion. Don't blast me for it, cause he asked for it in the first place. > Symptom: My male tabby woke up while I was watching him. His head > tilted from side to side like a see-saw, fast and beyond his control [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Ta, > buzz > Well Buzzgun what did you do with all of this input? How is the cat? I > think 13 isn't old at all. Give the animal a chance and get it some help. > Just my opinion. > Don't blast me for it, cause he asked for it in the first place. Thank you--each and every one--for the replies. I deserve the worst of the castigating remarks and I thought fully about all of them. The matter is not resolved and the vet says its just "wait and see". He just listened to his heart and looked into his ears. He also manipulated tabby's anus because a gland had been impacted and tabby was scooching around for a few weeks, causing some added concern on my part. (I had researched this symptom here prior to posting.) He also needed a rabies shot but i don't ever let him out and he doesn't ever (well ok a few feet sometimes) try. I feel that I've learned some things about myself here so thanks again. The question remains unanswered: what happened and can it be helped? I have not had to think about taking a cat to the vet for something serious and immediate in as long as I can remember. I believe now that the added perspective will remain with me. You have all been helpful and a willing sounding board. buzz you pussy! learned alot about yourself? what are you talking about? git your sorry a.s up, this ain't no christian daycare lol I'm glad you're able to have the needed things done |
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