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Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 06:31 GMT Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat.
The surgeon just called and she made it through surgery, yeah! He said he always worries about the area where the colon is stitched together, so we're not out of the woods yet. He also said her colon was very unhealthy -- when he touched it the muscles started tearing. That surprised him. I believe we made the right decision to just get this done.
Thanks for all of the input. Send a little torti cat healing vibes if you have any to spare. She's been brave through everything.
Rhonda
Elizabeth Blake - 12 Jul 2006 06:51 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda,
I'm sorry that Sweeter had to have surgery but I'm glad that it went well. My kitties (especially Harriet) & I are all hoping for a quick, full recovery for Sweeter.
-- Liz
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 22:41 GMT > I'm sorry that Sweeter had to have surgery but I'm glad that it went well. > My kitties (especially Harriet) & I are all hoping for a quick, full > recovery for Sweeter. Thanks, Liz. And thanks so much for all of your help in the last few days.
Rhonda
-L. - 12 Jul 2006 07:15 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Wow Rhonda- glad she made it through surgery, and that it seems like you did the right thing. From one tortie to another, Mimi says "meow, purrr and get well soon!"
-L.
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 22:51 GMT > Wow Rhonda- glad she made it through surgery, and that it seems like > you did the right thing. From one tortie to another, Mimi says "meow, > purrr and get well soon!" Thanks, Lyn. This was a new thing -- we've never been through anything like this before.
Thank Mimi for the tortie vibes, too!
Rhonda
Charlie Wilkes - 12 Jul 2006 08:50 GMT >Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a >surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Rhonda I'm so happy, Rhonda! I hope she will be ok, and I'll bet she will with you looking after her interests.
Just don't let her watch videos of birds flying into windows. Laughter could set her recovery back.
Charlie
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 22:59 GMT > I'm so happy, Rhonda! I hope she will be ok, and I'll bet she will > with you looking after her interests. > > Just don't let her watch videos of birds flying into windows. > Laughter could set her recovery back. That's funny, Charlie. We'll take your advice and try to keep her from laughing.
Thanks for thinking of us!
Rhonda
Lesley - 12 Jul 2006 10:27 GMT Send a little torti cat healing vibes if
> you have any to spare. Plenty of healing vibes and purrs for her- keep us posted
Lesley
Slave of the Fabulous Furballs
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:00 GMT > Plenty of healing vibes and purrs for her- keep us posted Thanks, Lesley. She really needed those vibes, and may for a little while yet. I'm letting her rest for a little while then I'm going to see if she'll eat for me.
Rhonda
angel - 12 Jul 2006 11:13 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. That's great, wishing Sweeter a successful recovery
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When you say muscle tearing, it makes me think they came out of place... as in... tore lose from their place... you don't mean the muscle mass was tearing at touch? surely their not that fragile.. muscle is tough
Best to you's
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:04 GMT > That's great, wishing Sweeter a successful recovery > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Best to you's Her colon was all stretched out and thin, and the muscle layer tore when he handled it. I was assured that that her abdomen was not contaminated. The vet today (different vet) said in the notes it looks like part of the colon they had to leave to attach to the small intestine, was torn. Yikes. Maybe I shouldn't have asked more questions. They stitched it up and think it will be fine.
Thanks for the interest,
Rhonda
Ann - 12 Jul 2006 13:22 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > surprised him. I believe we made the right decision to just get this > done. Given the condition the surgeon found, there is no question that you did. It's good news that the broken/small pelvis wasn't too restrictive to prevent a good outcome.
Now comes the part where, while you want her home, you rationally want her to stay at the vet's as long as she needs to. (And, the thought of taking care of her is a little scary.) Best wishes!
> Thanks for all of the input. Send a little torti cat healing vibes if > you have any to spare. She's been brave through everything. > > Rhonda Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT > Given the condition the surgeon found, there is no question that you did. > It's good news that the broken/small pelvis wasn't too restrictive to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to stay at the vet's as long as she needs to. (And, the thought of taking > care of her is a little scary.) Best wishes! Yep, I'm glad she's home, but a bit nervous about her care. She came home with lots of instructions and a medication schedule that's wild (a pill at midnight...) Hope we're good vet techs.
The surgeon was not overly worried about the misshapen bones in the pelvis. He said she's been dealing with it probably most of her life. It might have made things worse this time but was not the cause (don't know the cause.) Now that her stools will probably be much softer, it should be less of an issue.
Thanks,
Rhonda
Gail - 12 Jul 2006 14:13 GMT Great news, Rhonda. Please keep us posted. Gail
> Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT > Great news, Rhonda. Please keep us posted. Thanks, Gail. I appreciate everything you sent before-hand, that info did help.
Rhonda
22brix - 12 Jul 2006 15:08 GMT Poor kitty--she's been through a lot. I'm glad she made it through surgery. My tortie "Tortle" sends many licks and purrs for a uneventful recovery.
Bonnie
> Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:09 GMT > Poor kitty--she's been through a lot. I'm glad she made it through surgery. > My tortie "Tortle" sends many licks and purrs for a uneventful recovery. Hi Bonnie,
Sounds liket he torties are sticking together! That are such funny cats.
Thanks for the good wishes, and thank Tortle for us.
Rhonda
22brix - 13 Jul 2006 02:58 GMT >> Poor kitty--she's been through a lot. I'm glad she made it through >> surgery. My tortie "Tortle" sends many licks and purrs for a uneventful [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rhonda Is Sweeter hell on wheels when she's feeling well? Tortle is a strange mix of being very sweet with me and a screaming devil to some of my other cats. She's quite petite and chases one of my 11 pounders, screeching all the way! He runs as fast as he can to get away--it's a hoot to watch.
I do hope Sweeter continues to heal--is she still at the vet's? I always feel better when they're home and I can start pampering them.
Bonnie
Rhonda - 13 Jul 2006 05:30 GMT Hi Bonnie,
Sweeter is a former feral kitten, and never lost the need to hide during the day. She is very sweet. When she was young, she used to wrestle with one of our other cats, but not too much. She sounds very different from your cat! Tortle sounds like a little home entertainment center.
Sweeter is home, and I'm trying to balance giving her time to collapse and rest, and petting her until she's threadbare.
Rhonda
> Is Sweeter hell on wheels when she's feeling well? Tortle is a strange mix > of being very sweet with me and a screaming devil to some of my other cats. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bonnie 22brix - 13 Jul 2006 06:11 GMT > Sweeter is home, and I'm trying to balance giving her time to collapse and > rest, and petting her until she's threadbare. > > Rhonda Rhonda,
I hope you can get some rest, too. It's so nerve-racking when they're sick--I've spent more than one sleepless night worried sick about one of my troop. In my experience cats heal so much better when they're home where the people they love are there to baby them, where they're surroundings are familiar.
I have two former ferals that are pretty well adjusted but they do hide more than my other cats--when people come over, you can't see even a whisker.
I hope she continues to regain her health and hope she's soon herself again. I can see she's going to be spoiled rotten!
Bonnie
hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com - 12 Jul 2006 17:33 GMT >Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a >surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. Good for her! I'm not sure how this works though without a colon. What special care will she need for the rest of her life?
-mhd
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:13 GMT > Good for her! I'm not sure how this works though without a colon. What > special care will she need for the rest of her life? The colon forms the solid stool by pulling water out of the stuff that comes from the small intestine. Cats without intestines tend to have less-formed stools, but sometimes it eventually goes back to almost a normal state . They do have to drink more water. The vet tries to leave as much of the colon as possible because I believe that's where they absorb B-vitamins.
The only long-term changes will probably be diet, and I don't know what that will be yet. Right now we're trying A/D and prescription E/N (says for gastric something or other.) I have to see the vet later about long-term.
Thanks,
Rhonda
cybercat - 12 Jul 2006 17:58 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Thanks for all of the input. Send a little torti cat healing vibes if > you have any to spare. She's been brave through everything. Oh, Rhonda I am so glad she is okay. Did he do some sort of reconstruction or reorienting so that another part of her intestine will serve as the colon? I hope you realize that few people would give a little kitty such wonderful care.
Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:17 GMT > Oh, Rhonda I am so glad she is okay. Did he do some sort of > reconstruction or reorienting so that another part of her intestine > will serve as the colon? I hope you realize that few people would > give a little kitty such wonderful care. Yes, her small intestine is pulled back and attached to whatever they could leave of the colon (sounds like it's not much.) She basically will skip the colon stage of the digestive process, although the vet said some cats form almost solid stools again. He said he has no idea how they do it!
He also said it's a bit of a trick to stitch a small intestine onto a large, stretched-out piece of a colon. Some details, I could have done without.
Thanks for the good wishes. I'm so glad to have this done! I'll be very happy if we get through the next few days without complications.
Rhonda
Popsie's Mom - 12 Jul 2006 20:42 GMT Glad everything went ok. How does it work with a cat - with a human they have a colostomy bag? How is she holding up, keep us posted. God Bless You. Gail Lynn Batton
> Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT > Glad everything went ok. How does it work with a cat - with a human > they have a colostomy bag? How is she holding up, keep us posted. God > Bless You. Gail Lynn Batton Hello Gail,
No colostomy bag -- I asked that too. They said they seem to heal pretty well after being stitched. They do worry about infections but said those complications are pretty rare.
Thanks for the reply,
Rhonda
Val - 13 Jul 2006 00:52 GMT Rhonda, my little orange tabby Precious Ray of Sunshine is going to have an operation to remove his colon because he has megacolon...I am hurriedly saving money for this operation, $950 bucks, yikes, I got a second job to get it done. He is so sweet and precious, he goes nuts when I sing "You Are My Sunshine," he has to stand on my shoulders and press his little body as close to me as possible...I get a mouth full of fur as I sing, but ask me if I care!!!
It heartens me to know that other kitties come through this operation all right!!!
Valerie, San Fernando Valley
> > Glad everything went ok. How does it work with a cat - with a human > > they have a colostomy bag? How is she holding up, keep us posted. God [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda Phil P. - 13 Jul 2006 05:11 GMT > Rhonda, my little orange tabby Precious Ray of Sunshine is going to > have an operation to remove his colon because he has megacolon...I am [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It heartens me to know that other kitties come through this operation > all right!!! Just make sure you use a surgeon and not a general practioner.
Best of luck,
Phil
Rhonda - 13 Jul 2006 05:25 GMT Hi Val,
What a cute name!
That's great of you to work so hard to help out your cat. He sounds like such a sweetie.
Something like this is such a huge, unexpected expense. Ours was more than twice what you paid, so to me it sounds like you got a deal! Our surgeon was at an emergency clinic, and it costs about $1000 to walk in the door there...
We've had some tense moments tonight, but called the doctor and he says this is to be expected. She had an enormous surgery less than 24 hours ago. Finally, she is resting comfortably and even purred a little. I could walk out into the yard and let out a big scream!
Now she needs to eat, but I think that will happen soon.
Good luck with your baby and remember to keep us posted!
Rhonda
PS -- You might want to arrange time off work after the operation if you can. At least be off the day she comes home. Sweeter has 3 medications but 2 are twice a day and at different times, so we have to work out a schedule we can all live with.
> Rhonda, my little orange tabby Precious Ray of Sunshine is going to > have an operation to remove his colon because he has megacolon...I am [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >>Rhonda Rhonda - 12 Jul 2006 22:56 GMT Sweeter is home. They would have preferred to keep her another 12 hours or so, but she would not eat for them. She is a former feral, hidey cat, and was not liking the hospital.
She's now under the bed -- and she's not moving much. She is probably so sore. I hope she comes around quickly. I can't wait for her to feel good again.
Thanks for all of the good wishes.
Rhonda
Candace - 13 Jul 2006 04:57 GMT > Sweeter is home. They would have preferred to keep her another 12 hours > or so, but she would not eat for them. She is a former feral, hidey cat, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda, I'm so glad Sweeter is safely through her suregery and home with you now. Poor little girl, I hope she feels better quickly.
Candace
Rhonda - 13 Jul 2006 05:30 GMT > Rhonda, I'm so glad Sweeter is safely through her suregery and home > with you now. Poor little girl, I hope she feels better quickly. Thanks, Candace. I feel like she's starting to turn a corner -- I loved hearing that first purr!
Take care,
Rhonda
Phil P. - 13 Jul 2006 05:11 GMT > Well, Sweeter had her colon removed today after a consultation with a > surgeon. She was running out of time, poor cat. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Rhonda I think you should be feeding her a highly digestible low residue diet that produces less waste- less waste/small stools puts less stress on the anastomosis and will reduce the risk of tearing and/or leaking. Hill's i/d is the best because it's highly digestible and also has a mixed fiber source which when broken down by water to SCFAs stimulates colonic mucosal regeneration which should speed up healing.
You should expect to see soft or loose stools for awhile until the colon heals and becomes functional again- but if she develops profuse diarrhea your vet should put her on antibiotics- might be due to perioperative contamination. The colon is loaded with bacteria.
I'm glad she pulled through.
Rhonda - 13 Jul 2006 05:35 GMT > I think you should be feeding her a highly digestible low residue diet that > produces less waste- less waste/small stools puts less stress on the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I'm glad she pulled through. I've been warned by the surgeon that her stool is going to be very loose at first, and probably semi-loose for her lifetime. She has already dribbled a little (hope no one was eating.) I'm glad to see that the pipes are working.
I'll ask about the food at the next appt, they did give us some E/N to try. For now, it's probably going to be very loose but we just have to concentrate on getting her eating again.
She's one 2 antibiotics right now.
Rhonda
Wendy - 13 Jul 2006 12:05 GMT >> I think you should be feeding her a highly digestible low residue diet >> that [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Rhonda Did they say whether wet or dry would be better after this kind of surgery? My foster who had a large section of Ileum removed does much better (firmer poo) on wet food. Give her more than a tiny bit of dry and her poo resembles applesauce and her butt gets irritated.
W
Rhonda - 14 Jul 2006 02:22 GMT > Did they say whether wet or dry would be better after this kind of surgery? > My foster who had a large section of Ileum removed does much better (firmer > poo) on wet food. Give her more than a tiny bit of dry and her poo resembles > applesauce and her butt gets irritated. Hi Wendy,
We have a recheck tomorrow and I'll ask about food. I would assume too that it will be wet food.
So far, we're not having great luck getting her to eat anything, but she has had a couple t-spoons of wet food.
Rhonda
Gail - 14 Jul 2006 02:23 GMT Have you tried meated baby food without onion? Make sure it is room temperature or a little warmed up. Gail
>> Did they say whether wet or dry would be better after this kind of >> surgery? My foster who had a large section of Ileum removed does much [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Rhonda Rhonda - 14 Jul 2006 10:15 GMT Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines...
She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat hurts -- she gets food in her mouth and then sticks out her tongue repeatedly like cats do when they have a wad of fur stuck in their mouths.
Maybe it's just her sore tummy too, we will keep trying.
Rhonda
> Have you tried meated baby food without onion? Make sure it is room > temperature or a little warmed up. Phil P. - 14 Jul 2006 11:16 GMT > Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... > > She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat > hurts -- Was she intubated during anesthesia?
Rhonda - 14 Jul 2006 18:12 GMT >>Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... >> >>She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat >>hurts -- > > Was she intubated during anesthesia? I don't know, but I think she might have been with the way she's acting.
Rhonda
Phil P. - 14 Jul 2006 21:00 GMT > >>Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I don't know, but I think she might have been with the way she's acting. If the tube wasn't lubricated or inserted properly her esophagus might be sore or injured. Better have a vet take a look to make sure she doesn't/hasn't developed an esophageal stricture.
Are you following the pills with a water/tuna water or canned food chaser? Pills can be retained in the esophagus for 5 or 6 minutes and begin to dissolve and cause irritation/inflammation or even a stricture.
Rhonda - 15 Jul 2006 05:01 GMT > If the tube wasn't lubricated or inserted properly her esophagus might be > sore or injured. Better have a vet take a look to make sure she [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Pills can be retained in the esophagus for 5 or 6 minutes and begin to > dissolve and cause irritation/inflammation or even a stricture. The vet thinks the tube or the pills could have irritated her throat, but thinks the main problem is nausea. She swallows a lot, and earlier she was drooling from nose and mouth.
She's on a new antibiotic and also now has liquid pain medication. I'll give that to her after the pills to help wash them down.
She is traumatized, so am I.
Rhonda
cybercat - 14 Jul 2006 18:12 GMT > > Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... > > > > She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat > > hurts -- > > Was she intubated during anesthesia? Oh, then I guess it was. I asked because humans I know who have been say it hurts afterward.
Rhonda - 15 Jul 2006 04:57 GMT >>>Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Oh, then I guess it was. I asked because humans I know who have been say it > hurts afterward. I called the emergency clinic because Sweeter started drooling from nose and mouth. A lot. They will probably need to put me away by the time this is done!
They believe the medtrinidizole is upsetting her stomach. They said to take her off of it and monitor.
We had a post-surgery check with our regular vet today, who is replacing the antibiotic with baytril. She'll still be on 2 antibiotics, but hopefully this will help her stomach. She also said her throat looks good from what she can see -- but is probably irritated from the medicine and tube. She thinks though that the main problem is her upset stomach.
Sweeter also has a fever -- borderline of normal post-surgery high vs. possible infection. The incision looks great, I'm just hoping the things inside are going to straighten up here soon.
Oh, and we got home later tonight and Sweeter was not under her bed. She was NOWHERE to be found! OMG. After a long tense search, we found her in the far end of the house. She is so traumatized by all of the vet visits that she left her safety net to hide from us. I feel like the bad guy, but these things have to happen to help her.
So, her base of operations is now a closet. That must have hurt -- jumping over a high baby gate to leave her room (she is afraid of Abernathy and there baby gate is there to keep him out.)
Rhonda
cybercat - 15 Jul 2006 15:36 GMT "Rhonda" <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote in message
> I called the emergency clinic because Sweeter started drooling from nose > and mouth. Oh, no.
>A lot. They will probably need to put me away by the time > this is done! I can imagine, I would be a wreck.
> They believe the medtrinidizole is upsetting her stomach. They said to > take her off of it and monitor. This sure sounds right. Imagine that your stomach is upset, then think about eating, you know? And drooling is certainly a sign of nausea. Rhonda, I'm sorry if you already explained this, but what is the medtrinidizole for?
> We had a post-surgery check with our regular vet today, who is replacing > the antibiotic with baytril. She'll still be on 2 antibiotics, but > hopefully this will help her stomach. She also said her throat looks > good from what she can see -- but is probably irritated from the > medicine and tube. She thinks though that the main problem is her upset > stomach. Poor little Sweeter, not just the nausea, but also she has been intubated and so is sore. At least there are no complications there in her throat that the vet can see, and that is good!
> Sweeter also has a fever -- borderline of normal post-surgery high vs. > possible infection. The incision looks great, I'm just hoping the things > inside are going to straighten up here soon. Keeping you both in my prayers. That was major surgery, so I imagine she has a way to go.
> Oh, and we got home later tonight and Sweeter was not under her bed. She > was NOWHERE to be found! OMG. After a long tense search, we found her in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > jumping over a high baby gate to leave her room (she is afraid of > Abernathy and there baby gate is there to keep him out.) Oh, Rhonda. I wish she had not done that, I hope she didn't hurt herself. But you know you aren't the bad guy, there actually isn't a bad guy, just a good cat mom. Sweeter doesn't know it because she just has a little cat brain! In the end, as she feels better, she will come to understand via instinct if nothing else. It is really odd, but our Boo, who is so traumatized by the vet that she howls when she hits the carrier and never stops until she gets home, hoarse, actually began following me around and invading Gracie's turf after I took her in when she was in trouble with fainting spells/heart problems. She suddenly had to be near me, even though *I* was the one who took her in! Seems she would associate me with the vet and avoid me, right? I know it sounds unlikely, but in my heart I know she somehow "intuited" (is that a word?) that I was helping her, or trying.
Sweeter is a lucky, lucky cat to be so loved. Hang in there.
Rhonda - 16 Jul 2006 06:00 GMT > This sure sounds right. Imagine that your stomach is upset, then think > about eating, you know? And drooling is certainly a sign of nausea. > Rhonda, I'm sorry if you already explained this, but what is the > medtrinidizole for? That is an antibiotic. They had her on two -- they said they are always concerned about internal infections on this kind of surgery.
> It is really odd, but > our Boo, who is so traumatized by the vet that she howls when she [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > right? I know it sounds unlikely, but in my heart I know she somehow > "intuited" (is that a word?) that I was helping her, or trying. That's a great story, and I was glad to be reminded of how cats know when you're helping. Logically, I know they are forgiving but it's still hard to hear them hiss at you during the trauma. During one tense moment the other day, it occurred to me that if she pulls through this thing, we will probably be more bonded.
We are syringe-feeding her now and she is not fighting it. This afternoon, she even licked the end of the syringe.
She had a temperature spike this morning (103.9) that made me call the clinic again. They said it's not quite an emergency yet, but check her temp in 8 hrs. I just checked and it's down .9 degrees -- woo hooo!
I ran to the pain clinic and got injectable pain meds for her, she was pretty uncomfortable today. It's taking awhile to find the right thing for her. Last night, we tried liquid pain meds which she threw up immediately.
Thanks for the story and the encouragement. Both were needed!
Rhonda
Ann - 14 Jul 2006 12:02 GMT > Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... > > She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat > hurts -- she gets food in her mouth and then sticks out her tongue > repeatedly like cats do when they have a wad of fur stuck in their > mouths. I've had good luck with over the years with homemade turkey broth. What works best is a turkey drumstick, the bigger the better. (Modern turkeys are rather bland and the bigger, older birds are more flavorful.) I use one of those cheap rectangular electric slow cookers that has a temperature control. Put just a little bit of water in, to cover the bottom of the cooker, and cook it, covered, at just below boiling until the meat is falling off the bone; it takes hours. Then, take out the large bone, gristle, and larger of the multitude of pesky little drumstick bones, and cook it a little more.
The broth will gel at room temperature so it will have to be diluted for feeding. For storage more than overnight (refrigerated), I put it in a plastic food storage container, big enough so the layer is maybe 1/2 inch and freeze it. That way I can chip out portion size pieces for feeding. (I use a screwdriver and a small hammer. <g>)
Imo, part of why it usually works is that, unlike solid food, they can't spit it out. And, it must be vitamin and mineral rich; it's the cat version of chicken soup.
> Maybe it's just her sore tummy too, we will keep trying. > > Rhonda > >> Have you tried meated baby food without onion? Make sure it is room >> temperature or a little warmed up. Rhonda - 14 Jul 2006 18:18 GMT Oh wow, you are a good cat mom!
I wonder if I could do this in a crock pot -- maybe turkey pieces anyway.
Rhonda
> I've had good luck with over the years with homemade turkey broth. What > works best is a turkey drumstick, the bigger the better. (Modern turkeys [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > spit it out. And, it must be vitamin and mineral rich; it's the cat > version of chicken soup. Ann - 14 Jul 2006 20:09 GMT > Oh wow, you are a good cat mom! > > I wonder if I could do this in a crock pot -- maybe turkey pieces > anyway. Iirc, I did use a regular crock pot until the rectangular whatever they're called came out. Since it didn't have a variable heat dial, it took longer to heat up, etc ... and there was the problem of the drumsticks being longer than the crock pot was wide. I sawed them off to get them in until I realized that the pruning lopper would be easier. <g>
I tried turkey thighs instead a couple times and that broth wasn't accepted as well. Maybe there is something that cooks out of all the little bones in a turkey drumstick as well as the stronger flavor of the meat.
Something that doesn't work as well, but is much quicker is chicken liver. I do them in a covered dish in a microwave at ~3, just enough be sure all the frest blood color is gone (it's cooked through). Do be aware that chicken livers will "explode" if one doesn't cut them up or prick them well with a fork before nuking. I've had cats that go berserk over liver and cats that turn up their nose at it.
I never had much luck with baby food. It's formulated to be bland and the majority of cats I've had prefer a stronger taste.
> Rhonda <...>
Rhonda - 15 Jul 2006 04:59 GMT Oh boy, chicken liver? I would do a lot for Sweeter, but this I might need help. Ick.
I might try that, though. That broth idea might work.
Thanks for the tips.
Rhonda
> Iirc, I did use a regular crock pot until the rectangular whatever they're > called came out. Since it didn't have a variable heat dial, it took [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I never had much luck with baby food. It's formulated to be bland and the > majority of cats I've had prefer a stronger taste. cybercat - 15 Jul 2006 15:37 GMT > Oh boy, chicken liver? I would do a lot for Sweeter, but this I might > need help. Ick. I'm with you there. My mom cooked them every now and then, but she was the only one who would touch them! Just the smell ...
cybercat - 14 Jul 2006 18:12 GMT > Yep, trying baby food, A/D, cat food with sardines... > > She's eaten another few teaspoons. It's almost like her mouth or throat > hurts -- she gets food in her mouth and then sticks out her tongue > repeatedly like cats do when they have a wad of fur stuck in their mouths. Is it possible that she was intubated?
cybercat - 14 Jul 2006 03:24 GMT "Rhonda" <san-toki@att.remove.net> wrote :
> So far, we're not having great luck getting her to eat anything, but she > has had a couple t-spoons of wet food. Poor baby. :( I hope she's better soon.
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