Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / July 2006
Flakey momcat with kittens ?s
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Ann - 08 Jul 2006 00:22 GMT I live in a rural area and do occasionally see a cat of unknown ownership. Probably two months ago I started seeing a calico cat at some wildlife food I put out; couldn't begin to approach her. My last cat died 1-1/2 years ago and I'd decided not to get another, primarily because it would likely outlive me; I'm not sick, just 70. But, being that this was a female, I decided it was worthwhile to try to befriend her enough to get her spayed and have a rabies shot.
I had gotten her to the place where, if I kept my distance, she would come in an open low window to eat. But any attempt to even touch her, she "attacked". She didn't appear to be either pregnant or nursing, but obviously the semi-long-hair disguised it.
Long story somewhat shorter, when I went to the garage a week ago, the cat cam running in and headed to a stack of empty boxes I keep for recycling. Knew then it just a matter of how many and getting them and her into the house. Luckily, the four kittens weren't really walking yet and momcat did figure out when I'd taken them and came in too. (They're in the room where momcat ate so it wasn't strange to her.)
The only experience I've had with kittens that young (approx 3-1/2 weeks when found) was a similar situation years ago, but with newborns and a trusting momcat (that the owner didn't claim). This really was just in time. Once these kittens got out of the enclosed space they'd been in, into a large cage (that momcat could get in/out_of) they began tottering around. In two days, I let them out into the room.
The only fault I have with momcat is that she is too dedicated to the kittens. I open her window for her to take take a break outside and she stays to keep an eye on her kittens. The only time she seems calm is when she is nursing them. I am expecting that they get even more active, she will perhaps become more distressed. And she would be "right" to be because my objective is that the kittens be socialized enough to be adoptable.
As with the previous litter, these kittens seemed to learn to use the litter box themselves. I have seen momcat "call" the kittens to the water dishes. But not to the food dish(s). She usually growls when I put the dish down and that scares them off for a bit. But, I have seen all but one eating some on their own the last couple days. Oddly, the one that doesn't was the most advanced at walking, following a string, poking around in the corners, etc. At what point should I be concerned enough about this to try to get him/her started myself? (With the chase the string game I am able to get them close enough to pick them up - when I'm standing on the other side of a door gate and momcat isn't looking. <g>)
Another specific question. Two of the kittens are more/less black and white and two are orange and white. One of each color pair is noticeably rounder and has a larger head than the other. The two larger ones were a couple days behind on walking, but the first I saw eating on their own. I'm guessing these two got more of the long-hair genes?
I'd like to hear other thoughts/suggestions on this.
Gail - 08 Jul 2006 00:34 GMT It would be good to start handling the kittens soon. The sooner the better toward socializing them. I believe they can start eating canned kitten food around 4 weeks old. Are you keeping the mother inside with them? If so, that is great. She will need to be spayed as soon as the kittens can eat by themselves. Eight weeks would be a good time to have the kittens adopted. Please keep them all in a room by themselves so that you can socialize them all. This will take some time and patience. You are wonderful to take them in and look after them. I'm not sure about the long haired vs short haired issue. Gail
>I live in a rural area and do occasionally see a cat of unknown ownership. > Probably two months ago I started seeing a calico cat at some wildlife [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > I'd like to hear other thoughts/suggestions on this. Ann - 08 Jul 2006 01:45 GMT > It would be good to start handling the kittens soon. The sooner the > better toward socializing them. I believe they can start eating canned > kitten food around 4 weeks old. Are you keeping the mother inside with > them? If so, that is great. She will need to be spayed as soon as the > kittens can eat by themselves. She has no intention of leaving those kittens and I don't have the heart to chase her outside. And, while she is inside she is at least not getting pregnant. Getting her to the place where she can be taken to a vet will be a problem because she is so wild. She does literally attack, not just defend.
> Eight weeks would be a good time to have the kittens adopted. Please > keep them all in a room by themselves so that you can socialize them > all. This will take some time and patience. Fortunately the kittens don't seem to be connecting up that momcat's hissing and spitting is directed at me. I can pick them up and cuddle them and they just get a little squirmy like kittens do.
> You are wonderful to take them in and look after them. Thank you but I'd have felt dreadful if I hadn't at least tried.
> I'm not sure about the long haired vs short haired issue. > Gail <...>
>> Another specific question. Two of the kittens are more/less black and >> white and two are orange and white. One of each color pair is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> I'd like to hear other thoughts/suggestions on this. Gail Futoran - 08 Jul 2006 02:26 GMT >> It would be good to start handling the kittens soon. The sooner the >> better toward socializing them. I believe they can start eating canned [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > vet will be a problem because she is so wild. She does literally attack, > not just defend. [snip]
You might check with a vet. There might be something you can put in the water to calm her down long enough to get her into a carrier. Or if there is a humane society or other rescue organization in your area where people have experience with feral cats, they might be able to make suggestions about how to transport her.
Interesting that you had intended not to adopt cats again due to your age. I'm 63 and have been reluctant to adopt more cats for the same reason you gave (they might well outlive me), but I don't seem to have much of a choice in the matter!
Gail F. Owned by Lao Ma, Ephiny, Minya, Melosa
Ann - 08 Jul 2006 03:30 GMT >>> It would be good to start handling the kittens soon. The sooner the >>> better toward socializing them. I believe they can start eating canned [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > experience with feral cats, they might be able to > make suggestions about how to transport her. Contacting a feral cat group is a good idea. I'm reasonably sure I could capture momcat and get her into the large cage, but I would like to find a vet that is used to handling them.
> Interesting that you had intended not to adopt cats again due to your > age. I'm 63 and have been reluctant to adopt more cats for the same > reason you gave (they might well outlive me), but I don't seem to have > much of a choice in the matter! Isn't that the truth.
> Gail F. > Owned by Lao Ma, Ephiny, Minya, Melosa Rhonda - 08 Jul 2006 08:39 GMT Hi Ann,
Thanks for helping that little family!
There was a person on this group about 6 months ago who took in a feral mother cat because he knew she was pregnant. He spent quite a bit of time with the family and as the mother saw that he was there to help (and was good to the kittens,) she eventually became friendly herself. By the time the kittens were old enough to leave, she was actually coming to him for attention. I hope that happens in your case.
Does the mother cat have a way to get outside? We took in a pregnant cat once and she went into heat again about 4-5 weeks after she gave birth. If you can work it out that the cat cannot get outside at all you'll be saving another batch in advance.
You might call the Humane Society and see if they have any names of organizations that can help with the mom. If your HS is like ours, they're not equipped to handle truly feral cats.
Our long-haired kitten was one of the 2 biggest kittens, and he had a round head. I don't know if that is in the gene or not. The only thing I remember about the long-haired gene is that they normally open their eyes several days later than short-haired kittens.
As for eating, a rescue person told me to start mixing a little water into wet food when they are about 4 weeks old to start them eating on their own. I would hold them on my lap and take a finger full of wet food and offer it to them. They were tentative but would finally lick it off, then eventually realized they could get food out of the bowl.
By the way, if your orange and white kittens are orange tabbies -- those are usually boys. Can you tell the sex yet?
Good luck with the family. What an adventure!
Rhonda
> But, I have seen all but > one eating some on their own the last couple days. Oddly, the one that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'd like to hear other thoughts/suggestions on this. Ann - 08 Jul 2006 17:02 GMT > Hi Ann, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > By the time the kittens were old enough to leave, she was actually > coming to him for attention. I hope that happens in your case. I'm crossing my fingers. I found the kittens just as they were about to get more active anyway and it's surprising how much how much progress they have made in just eight days. That has to be stressful for momcat; her instinct is to keep them corraled. She also has a strong instinct to protect her food, which should decrease some as the kittens are weaned.
> Does the mother cat have a way to get outside? We took in a pregnant cat > once and she went into heat again about 4-5 weeks after she gave birth. > If you can work it out that the cat cannot get outside at all you'll be > saving another batch in advance. That's good advice. It happens I've seen that too with one of a neighborhood (previous residence) collector's cats. The first couple days I did open her "feeding window" so momcat could go out, but she didn't.
> You might call the Humane Society and see if they have any names of > organizations that can help with the mom. If your HS is like ours, > they're not equipped to handle truly feral cats. Realistically momcat is unadoptable, so she's a "keeper". My best guess is that "home" for her is a farm (no longer in production but people live there) about a mile away. After she is spayed and recovered, I will probably let her make her choice. (I wouldn't do that with a cat that had been dropped off and didn't have her local survival skills.)
> Our long-haired kitten was one of the 2 biggest kittens, and he had a > round head. I don't know if that is in the gene or not. The only thing I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > By the way, if your orange and white kittens are orange tabbies -- those > are usually boys. Can you tell the sex yet? I haven't checked. Since males tend be more adoptable, I've been putting it off. But now you mention it, that's been true of the orange/whites I've run across. That's a relief.
> Good luck with the family. What an adventure! Sure is. Yesterday I realized they were ready for a climbing/scratching post and improvised one out of a carpet remnant rolled into a tube and put over the stem part of an antique floor lamp that has a heavy base. Put it close to their cage so they would have a place to climb to. One tried but couldn't figure out how to get down. This morning, all of them were climbing on it. (I would say up/down, but they don't have the down part perfected. <g>)
I do have a b/w CCTV security system that I got to watch wildlife. It's a help to be able to check in on the kittens without alerting momcat.
> Rhonda Ann - 10 Jul 2006 17:34 GMT The kittens are doing ok; they seem to discover something new to do every day. The creep and pounce, tail lashing, hitting a ping pong ball then chasing it, backing down the scratching/climbing post, etc; the last hold-out is eating from a dish.
Momcat gave me a scare. I'd been disappointed that, for a couple days, she had been getting more aggressive toward me. Then, last evening, she threw up big time, twice, then hopped over the door gate into a bedroom. She had tossed once before and the vomit had a couple small hairballs but since she definitely wasn't blocked, I didn't think much of it. Put a litter box, water, and a dish with a few small cubes of unsalted butter in the room and left her alone. Wished I'd thought to get a pack of the Friskies hairball treats, just in case, but I hadn't.
One thing I had thought to do while shopping though was to pick up a pack of turkey drumsticks to make "super juice". Cooked (just short of boiling) with a little bit of water in a slow cooker until the meat falls off the bone (and a littleextra). the juice is a good starter for a sick cat that's reluctant to eat. If I get it right, the juice jells at room temperature so it has to be mixed with a little water when feeding. ... And, I feed just a little bit at a time.
So, I started a turkey leg cooking and wondered where I'd be able to buy KMR locally. Next, I took advantage of mamcat's absence to give the room a quick sweeping. Then, it was time to do some kitten socializing; momcat hadn't tolerated me staying in the room with them. It went better than I'd expected. One of the things on my todo list was getting the kittens used to being combed. Apparently this is close enough to the mother cat licking them, that they thought it was great; two of them rolled right over on their backs. They did seem some disappointed though that, after checking me over, they didn't find the place to get milk. <g> I think if they hadn't already been eating on their own, that would have been a good time to introduce a dish of whatever I wanted them to try.
One mystery since the kittens have been walking was where they, usually two, would sometimes sleep (rather than the usual pile). The room is mostly clear of furniture, so I'd assumed it was under the bureau; hadn't looked because of momcat. Last night when two came up missing, I went around the room (and the bath, which they also have access to) and simply couldn't find them. ??? Finally thought to look in the top of a small pot-belly pottery vase on the floor beside the bureau.
Sigh of relief, momcat was back in the room with the kittens this morning Gave her some super juice but am limiting the food I put/leave out. I did go sit in the room with them for a few minutes and combed the kittens that came to me. Momcat growled and paced a little, but didn't jump at me, scratch, or chomp. She has been so great with them, I do feel guilty when they ignore her. One problem is that she apparently never learned, or forgot, how to play. That's a shame.
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