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Rona Yuthasastrakosol - 04 Apr 2004 12:54 GMT
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It may seem that I am making light of this, but I really don't think it's
very funny.  My cat *is* slightly overweight but not so much that it affects
her health, and I do watch her intake very carefully (she's still on a
diet--it's been a very slow process but she is losing weight and will
hopefully be down to where my vet wants her within a year).  I think
allowing a pet--any pet--to become so obese should be considered abuse.

rona
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Sherry - 04 Apr 2004 15:42 GMT
>It may seem that I am making light of this, but I really don't think it's
>very funny.  My cat *is* slightly overweight but not so much that it affects
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>
>rona

It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a very
elderly man should have realized FOUR POUNDS of hamburger meat was excessive.
The mind boggles. Just imagine how *much* that is!
The poor thing. I wonder if it will survive.
Biskit would look just like that if she could. She's the piggiest eater I've
ever had. I keep thinking once she gets out of that "street cat" mentality
she'll slow down.
Sherry
Mary - 04 Apr 2004 16:10 GMT
> >It may seem that I am making light of this, but I really don't think it's
> >very funny.  My cat *is* slightly overweight but not so much that it affects
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> It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a very
> elderly man should have realized FOUR POUNDS of hamburger meat was excessive.

It really is horrible. I think some people, particularly older men,
just don't know of any other way to show their love. The
older man who had Buddha before we adopted her just
gave her treats all day. He thought it was cute how she
chased them down like live things, and nothing made
her happier. He just didn't think about what the weight
would do to her.
RobZip - 04 Apr 2004 17:49 GMT
> It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a very
> elderly man should have realized FOUR POUNDS of hamburger meat was excessive.

Perhaps he didn't realize. Older folks suffering from dementia often lose
track of when they eat. It's not incommon to see Alzheimers patients in
nursing homes insist that they are hungry immediately after consuming a full
meal. The article says the man himself was taken to a nursing home, so it's
seems likely that impaired judgement was a factor.
Diane L. Schirf - 04 Apr 2004 23:42 GMT
> It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a
> very
> elderly man should have realized FOUR POUNDS of hamburger meat was excessive.

I suspect he may have dementia, and he wouldn't have realised anything
of the kind. They did say he was taken to a nursing home, so unless one
knows more about his condition, it's really not right to judge him as
"abusive."

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Sherry - 05 Apr 2004 01:16 GMT
>> It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a
>> very
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>knows more about his condition, it's really not right to judge him as
>"abusive."

I don't judge this person. To allow a cat to become so fat it is incapacitated
is abuse. Whether the owner had the faculties to realize what he was doing is
another issue.  Intentional abuse, absolutely not. Thus the reference to
killing the cat with kindness.
Abuse is abuse. Again, in this instance the owner may or may not be accountable
for his actions. We don't know.

Sherry
Diane L. Schirf - 05 Apr 2004 02:16 GMT
> >> It *is* abuse. "Killing with kindness" comes to mind, though....but even a
> >> very
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>
> I don't judge this person.

It isn't clear from "Even a very elderly man should have realised" that
you weren't judging the person. My first thought is dementia when
someone of advanced age behaves irrationally. To assume that he "should
have" seems a bit judgmental to me, that's all. Just like a woman I knew
"should have" realised that cutting her grass with nail clippers and
drying her clothes in the oven weren't good ideas, but she couldn't have
realised because she was seriously ill.

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Sherry - 05 Apr 2004 02:30 GMT
>It isn't clear from "Even a very elderly man should have realised" that
>you weren't judging the person. My first thought is dementia when
>someone of advanced age behaves irrationally. To assume that he "should
>have" seems a bit judgmental to me, that's all.

*Should have* IF he still retained all his faculties. Is that better?  Geez. I
didn't realize that one sentence was going to be picked to death. Again, I
don't know whether the man suffered from dementia, it wasn't stated in the
article.

Just like a woman I knew
>"should have" realised that cutting her grass with nail clippers and
>drying her clothes in the oven weren't good ideas, but she couldn't have
>realised because she was seriously ill.

Just like the Texas woman who "should have realized" that stoning her children
was murder and abuse.
It was still murder/abuse, whether she was accountable or not.

Incidentally, there are *plenty* of "normal" people with disgustingly
overweight dogs *and* cats with no excuse whatsever. Also abuse.

Sherry
Diane L. Schirf - 05 Apr 2004 04:02 GMT
> >It isn't clear from "Even a very elderly man should have realised" that
> >you weren't judging the person. My first thought is dementia when
> >someone of advanced age behaves irrationally. To assume that he "should
> >have" seems a bit judgmental to me, that's all.
>
> *Should have* IF he still retained all his faculties. Is that better?

Yes, because "very elderly men" sometimes can't realise what makes sense
to the rest of us when they're suffering from dementia. Very elderly
people aren't equal in that regard, as a very elderly man in better
health would indeed realise that that was inappropriate. The fact he was
hauled off to a nursing home is a pretty clear indicator he was deemed
incapable of self-care let alone care of a cat.

I'm not picking apart your sentence. I'm trying to figure out why you
didn't distinguish between a healthy person and an unhealthy one with a
degenerative neurological disease who can't be responsible for his
actions -- or held responsible

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Karen Chuplis - 05 Apr 2004 05:08 GMT
in article k%3cc.10831$NL4.2110@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, Diane L.
Schirf at delenn@mindspring-getridofthistoreply-.com wrote on 4/4/04 10:02
PM:

>>> It isn't clear from "Even a very elderly man should have realised" that
>>> you weren't judging the person. My first thought is dementia when
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> degenerative neurological disease who can't be responsible for his
> actions -- or held responsible

I think the point most people are missing is that most cats wouldn't EAT all
that meat even when presented, every day. I know mine wouldn't. I still say
that for cats that large there is a medical problem too.

Karen
Sherry - 05 Apr 2004 05:24 GMT
>I think the point most people are missing is that most cats wouldn't EAT all
>that meat even when presented, every day. I know mine wouldn't. I still say
>that for cats that large there is a medical problem too.
>
>Karen

That's right, Karen. Four pounds is almost unbelievable for a cat to consume in
one day. (not to mention expensive). I hope the cat survives, but it sounds
like he's in pretty bad shape.

Sherry
Sherry - 05 Apr 2004 05:19 GMT
>I'm not picking apart your sentence. I'm trying to figure out why you
>didn't distinguish between a healthy person and an unhealthy one with a
>degenerative neurological disease who can't be responsible for his
>actions -- or held responsible

I am *not* making such a distinction, and you can't either from the information
provided.
This is turning quite moot, and I'm done with it. I would suggest that you
remember that in usenet, there is an absence of facial expressions, tone, and
words can be misconstrued. You are reading (or more accurately, mis-reading)
far more into that post than was intended.
And again, neither of us has enough information to diagnose "degenerative
neurological disease" based on the information provided.

Sherry

Sherry
PawsForThought - 04 Apr 2004 16:46 GMT
>From: "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" prasantrin@yahoo.com

>It may seem that I am making light of this, but I really don't think it's
>very funny.  My cat *is* slightly overweight but not so much that it affects
>her health, and I do watch her intake very carefully (she's still on a
>diet--it's been a very slow process but she is losing weight and will
>hopefully be down to where my vet wants her within a year).

I think you're doing it the healthiest way for your kitty by going slowly.  It
is sad all the overweight pets these days.  Very unhealthy for them.  I read an
article about a study where it said cats that are even a little underweight are
much healthier and longer lived.

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CajunPrincess - 05 Apr 2004 01:30 GMT
> >From: "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" prasantrin@yahoo.com
>  
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>
> Lauren

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that's true as a general rule.
Apparently, though, at least some vets prefer that senior cats have a
little extra padding on them.  Kona, who I adopted last year, is 12
years old and weighs a little over 17 lbs.  He's defintely got a
"jumbo" frame but he also has a cute roll of fat and loose skin on his
tummy (he got the area shaved a while back and it's kind of like
poking the Pillsbury dough boy there. :-)) When he sits down on his
stomach, his tummy gets flattened out and he doesn't form a "meatloaf"
as much as a (rather large) "pie". I'm guessing he would weigh maybe
15 lbs or so if he lost all the excess weight. The vet at the Cat
Clinic where I adopted him, which specializes in geriatric cat care,
said they preferred senior cats like him to carry some extra weight
because it gives them a cushion (so to speak) in case they get one of
the illnesses that older cats are prone to which can cause them to
lose weight rapidly.

Some of his behavior reminds me of Cartman on Southpark, so I tell him
that he's not fat, he's just big boned. :-)
Laura R. - 07 Apr 2004 01:39 GMT
circa 4 Apr 2004 17:30:52 -0700, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav,
CajunPrincess (CajunPrincess@mail2world.com) said,
> The vet at the Cat
> Clinic where I adopted him, which specializes in geriatric cat care,
> said they preferred senior cats like him to carry some extra weight
> because it gives them a cushion (so to speak) in case they get one of
> the illnesses that older cats are prone to which can cause them to
> lose weight rapidly.

That's my feeling on it, too. Alex would have died long before he did
had he not been a *big* boy before he got lymphoma, and Jacob can't
afford to lose even ounces because he's a little guy.

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Arjun Ray - 07 Apr 2004 02:21 GMT
| That's my feeling on it, too. Alex would have died long before he did
| had he not been a *big* boy before he got lymphoma, and Jacob can't
| afford to lose even ounces because he's a little guy.

How small is he?

My Scruffy isn't old, but CRF is a wasting affliction.  He's a pound off
his regular weight now - he used to be 12.5 lbs.  He lost weight rapidly
when he crashed in Feb 03, down to 9+ at hospitalization.  I got him to
over 11 in a few months, and he has been there since (except a couple of
weeks ago, when a reading of 10 lbs 13 oz nearly freaked me out).

It's a struggle maintaining the weight.  The key seems to be hydration:
the more hydrated he is, the more he'll eat.  (Though, he has had good
appetite all along, and he's not shy about drinking water by himself.)
Laura R. - 07 Apr 2004 04:00 GMT
circa 6 Apr 2004 20:21:28 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Arjun
Ray (aray@nmds.com.invalid) said,
> | That's my feeling on it, too. Alex would have died long before he did
> | had he not been a *big* boy before he got lymphoma, and Jacob can't
> | afford to lose even ounces because he's a little guy.
>
> How small is he?

He's down to about 7.75 pounds, and was 9.5 pounds or so in his
prime.

> My Scruffy isn't old, but CRF is a wasting affliction.  He's a pound off
> his regular weight now - he used to be 12.5 lbs.  He lost weight rapidly
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> the more hydrated he is, the more he'll eat.  (Though, he has had good
> appetite all along, and he's not shy about drinking water by himself.)  

Jacob has been on daily fluids since fall, and at his last bloodwork
in February, I was shocked to find that his numbers had *improved*.
In fact, his numbers have been pretty steady throughout, thankfully.

It has been well over two years since his initial diagnosis, he's had
no crash (knock wood), and his appetite is good. It's just that he
has gradually lost weight as a result of the CRF, and he wasn't
chubby to start, so he's fairly bony now. Nothing like Alex was at
his skinniest, but he's definitely thinner. Overall, his muscle mass
and tone is pretty good considering his age and disease, but he's at
the point now where I really worry about him losing any more weight.

Anyway, before I wandered off the point...Jacob eats well. However,
he is eating a lot more canned food in proportion to dry than he used
to. I've intentionally encouraged this because of the health and
dental benefits; in fact, the vet commented on how great his teeth
looked at his last visit. (I read something about the myth of dry
food being better for cats' teeth and that it's actually wet food
that's likely better for their teeth, and Jacob's teeth certainly
seem to bear out the theories I read.) I do suspect, though, that the
increased proportion of wet-to-dry food in his diet is a small part
of the weight loss. Wet food just isn't as fattening as dry.

So, while I think that canned food has been better for Jacob for a
variety of reasons, I just can't bulk him up with it. I've been
trying to find a calorie supplement for cats, but I just haven't been
able to find anything. Do you know of one? Lord knows, Jacob's food
concoction couldn't get much more complicated. (He gets K/D mixed
with pumpkin, a little unflavored Metamucil, slippery elm bark, groud
glucosamine tablets, and Pepcid A/C ground and dissolved in water. It
makes me gag, but he likes it. I don't know WHY he likes it, but he
does.)

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Arjun Ray - 07 Apr 2004 05:33 GMT
| Jacob has been on daily fluids since fall, and at his last bloodwork
| in February, I was shocked to find that his numbers had *improved*.
| In fact, his numbers have been pretty steady throughout, thankfully.

That's great.  Scruffy's numbers have been essentially the same since
last May.  BUN in the high 50's low 60's, and Creatinine at mid-5.  This
is somewhat remarkable in that Creatinine this high usually triggers
persistent nausea, but he shows no signs of that.  Stomach acidity is
also a problem, but he's figured out that drinking water (which he does
quite copiously) can help - especially if it results in a barf ;-)

| Jacob eats well. However, he is eating a lot more canned food in
| proportion to dry than he used to. [...] I do suspect, though, that
| the increased proportion of wet-to-dry food in his diet is a small
| part of the weight loss. Wet food just isn't as fattening as dry.

Yeah, the carbs.  I've cut out dry completely.  Maybe a treat snack for
all of them once every couple of weeks, that's it.  (This was somewhat
forced, in that I had to wean Marie off a dry food diet: if she knows
that dry is part of the daily routine, she'll ignore her regular food.)
When I was giving them dry snacks regularly, Scruffy was drinking truly
incredible amounts of water, with consequent barfing.  (e.g. he jumps
into my lap, the momentum is transfered to the stomach contents, and my
trousers are the beneficiary.)

| I've been trying to find a calorie supplement for cats, but I just
| haven't been  able to find anything. Do you know of one?

No, sorry.  The weight loss is inevitable; I think the idea is to
establish an equilibrium, even if it's an underweight one.  My friend
Meredith's cat, Zeke, had CRF for about two years.  His initial weight
loss was drastic, down from just under 16 to 12.5.  He stayed there for
a long time - nothing worked to put weight back on - and then, towards
the end, he slipped to just below 11.  A month later, he was gone.  So,
as long as the cat is on a plateau and stable, I think that's the best
that can be done.  If Jacob's muscle tone is still good at 7.75 lbs, I
think it's best to live with it.  Keep a mental note of a cut-off
weight: if he goes below that, take him in for IV (I have 10.5 as my
cutoff for Scruffy at the moment.)

| Pepcid A/C ground and dissolved in water.

This works?  Thanks!  (Pilling Scruffy is a bear, and a quarter Pepcid
is so teeny that no pill-gun will hold it.)
Laura R. - 08 Apr 2004 03:34 GMT
circa 6 Apr 2004 23:33:14 -0500, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Arjun
Ray (aray@nmds.com.invalid) said,

> | Jacob has been on daily fluids since fall, and at his last bloodwork
> | in February, I was shocked to find that his numbers had *improved*.
> | In fact, his numbers have been pretty steady throughout, thankfully.
>
> That's great.  Scruffy's numbers have been essentially the same since
> last May.  BUN in the high 50's low 60's, and Creatinine at mid-5.

Jacob's values (the ones I have on virtual sticky notes in Outpuke,
or lying around in printouts, anyway):

02/01/2002
CREA 2.79
BUN 35.0
USG: 1.020
Weight: 8 pounds

04/20/2002
USG: 1.021
(His other values aren't in the records I have handy.)

08/07/2002
CREA: 3.02
Weight: 8.25 pounds
(As above, other results not handy)

08/27/02
CREA: 2.89
(He had a cracked [and thus cavitied] tooth extracted and I asked
them to re-run his creatinine to see if it had helped- I guess it
had.)

11/21/2002
CREA 3.42
BUN 39.4
Weight: 7.6 pounds

03/06/2003
CREA: 3.37
BUN: 35
USG: 1.020

06/19/2003
CREA: 3.78
Weight: 8.5 pounds

11/12/2003 (We started the daily fluids at this visit.)
CREA: 3.3
BUN: 54
USG: 1.022
Weight: ~7.25 pounds, IIRC (I know he gained weight between November
and February; I just can't recall if it was half a pound or a
quarter-pound.)

02/22/2004- First bloodwork after starting daily fluids
CREA: 2.6 (!)
BUN: 30 (!)
USG: 1.016
Weight 7.75 pounds

> This
> is somewhat remarkable in that Creatinine this high usually triggers
> persistent nausea, but he shows no signs of that.  Stomach acidity is
> also a problem, but he's figured out that drinking water (which he does
> quite copiously) can help - especially if it results in a barf ;-)

Jacob definitely gets stomach acidity, and the Pepcid and slippery
elm bark help *immensely* with it- he hasn't thrown up anything but a
furball in ages.

> | Jacob eats well. However, he is eating a lot more canned food in
> | proportion to dry than he used to. [...] I do suspect, though, that
> | the increased proportion of wet-to-dry food in his diet is a small
> | part of the weight loss. Wet food just isn't as fattening as dry.
>
> Yeah, the carbs.  I've cut out dry completely.

Jacob probably eats a little dry once every few days now that I'm
giving him the gag-a-maggot casserole that he so loves. The dry is
really just a safety net; ever since 9/11, I've been paranoid about
the cats not having access to food when I'm not home.

> Maybe a treat snack for
> all of them once every couple of weeks, that's it.  (This was somewhat
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> into my lap, the momentum is transfered to the stomach contents, and my
> trousers are the beneficiary.)

Jacob definitely barfs less now that he eats so little dry food. The
canned is much easier on his system. And his little teefs look great,
sooth the vet.

> | I've been trying to find a calorie supplement for cats, but I just
> | haven't been  able to find anything. Do you know of one?
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> weight: if he goes below that, take him in for IV (I have 10.5 as my
> cutoff for Scruffy at the moment.)

Yeah, Jacob's weight just seems to keep bobbing up and down, though
(as you can see from the above). As far as vet visits, as is also
probably obvious from the above, I tend to err on the side of caution
(I only listed the visits when he had bloodwork; there were others
when I just took him in for a look-see or when I suspected infection-
I can absolutely smell it on his breath when he has a urinary/kidney
infection.)

> | Pepcid A/C ground and dissolved in water.
>
> This works?  Thanks!  (Pilling Scruffy is a bear, and a quarter Pepcid
> is so teeny that no pill-gun will hold it.)

It works *fantastically* well. I was cutting the pills with a pill
cutter, then just dividing the resultant shards into four roughly
equal piles and shoving bits down his throat, but Jacob is far harder
to pill than Alex was.

It's strange, because Alex was such an S.O.B and was wickedly strong,
but I could pill him faster than you could blink. He really didn't
mind it, probably because he had such a huge mouth that I could just
aim for the back and it was hard to miss his throat. Besides, I think
he liked showing off his dog-fangs.

Jacob is the sweetest cat I've ever known, but pilling him is a
*bear*. He wiggles, resists, drools, tongues the pills and then
either drools them out or shakes his head until they pop out and
usually stick to his head somewhere.

I use a mortar and pestle to grind up the Pepcid into a fine powder,
then add 40mls of water per ground pill. Each pill provides four
days' dosage. I make it in small batches and keep it in a salad
cruet, then pour a teaspoon or two per meal (since he doesn't eat all
that I give him, I give 1-2 doses, and my teaspoons hold exactly
10mls). For the glucosamine/MSM (combination tablet), I grind up a
350mg (glucosamine)/250mg (MSM) tablet and mix that in, too. I have
recently started just grinding the tablets up together and mixing the
whole mess with water.

He**, these days I put more effort into making my cats' dinner than I
do into making my own dinner. <G>

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Karen Chuplis - 04 Apr 2004 18:24 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4654653/?GT1=3256

That is sad. There is a cat my vet has taken in that is 23 lbs, but she is
really a small cat. She looks this big. She has lost a bit. She ca walk
better than this guy, but it is very sad. I still think that there must be
some genetic problem involved. Pearl could happily eat once an hour and she
really does consume more than Sugar or Grant, but she stays the same weight,
so I'm sure her matabolism is very different than theirs as they all get the
same amount of exercise.

Karen
Joe Canuck - 04 Apr 2004 18:41 GMT
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> hopefully be down to where my vet wants her within a year).  I think
> allowing a pet--any pet--to become so obese should be considered abuse.

Mine is 18 pounds and definitely not overweight.  ;-)

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Cat Protector - 04 Apr 2004 20:56 GMT
One of my cats, Jade is about 14 or 15 pounds and before I read about this
fat cat I thought she was a little big. Of course Jade was this way when I
rescued her. I certainly would not feed either of my cats 4 pounds of beef
each day.

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>
> Mine is 18 pounds and definitely not overweight.  ;-)
Mary - 04 Apr 2004 20:11 GMT
> I think
>allowing a pet--any pet--to become so obese should be considered abuse.

The old guy was taken to a nursing home. I'm pretty sure he had alzheimers.
There was a young woman in my grandmothers retirement center. She had
alzheimers. She was obese because she couldn't remember if she ate or not so
she'd eat again, same thing with medications. That's why they sent her to the
retirement hotel wtih a nurse. Her cat was extremely obese also. She'd forget
if she fed it or not. I doubt he did it intentionally. If you see your dead cat
getting exhausted after 4 steps and unable to clean himself, you'd realize
something was wrong.
Sherry - 04 Apr 2004 20:34 GMT
>If you see your dead cat
>getting exhausted after 4 steps and unable to clean himself, you'd realize
>something was wrong.

Yes, Mary, I'd realize something was *very* wrong.... :-)

Sherry
Mary - 04 Apr 2004 21:10 GMT
> >If you see your dead cat
> >getting exhausted after 4 steps and unable to clean himself, you'd realize
> >something was wrong.
>
> Yes, Mary, I'd realize something was *very* wrong.... :-)

I suspect I would too! What is hilarious about Buddha is that she
remains
quite agile. Watching her zip around after the laser pointer and
various
insects is really funny. This is how we have been exercising her.
Hopefully she will lose the excess weight before it takes its toll
on her.
Laura R. - 07 Apr 2004 04:01 GMT
circa 04 Apr 2004 19:11:42 GMT, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, Mary
(mmmaryinla@aol.comspam) said,
> If you see your dead cat
> getting exhausted after 4 steps and unable to clean himself, you'd realize
> something was wrong.

Besides him being dead and still walking around? ;-)

Sorry, I just couldn't resist a little black humor.

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Elizabeth Blake - 05 Apr 2004 06:47 GMT
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4654653/?GT1=3256
>
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> hopefully be down to where my vet wants her within a year).  I think
> allowing a pet--any pet--to become so obese should be considered abuse.

9-10 years ago someone I worked with at the time asked our bosses if he
could bring his cat into the bookstore for the summer.  He was living in a
tiny SRO hotel and didn't have air conditioning, and said he was worried
about his cat being in the tiny room all day.  We had a store cat (Tiger,
who now lives with me) but it was a big place, and Krisper would be staying
in a stockroom area, not in the main store where Tiger reigned.  When he
brought Krisper in, nobody could believe the size of the poor cat.  He was
the biggest one any of us had ever seen.  Like the cat in the article, he
had trouble walking and after a few steps, he would stop & rest for awhile.
One day another co-worker noticed something on Krisper's butt.  He was so
big that he couldn't clean himself and his rear was infected.  We all
insisted that Krisper be taken to the vet immediately.  The vet prescribed a
reduced calorie RX food and told him how much should be fed twice a day.  In
the past, Krisper always had a huge bowl of dry food available.  I can't
remember if he was also getting canned food, but I don't think so.  I
remember one day I had picked Krisper up and put him on the counter and was
petting him.  His owner freaked, telling me I couldn't put him up that high
because he wouldn't be able to get down.

We caught his owner overfilling his bowl with the diet food a few times and
yelled at him about it.  He felt that Krisper would hate him for withholding
food.  I actually don't remember Krisper begging for food.  I think he was
just really happy to be around so many people all day, and was more
interested in interacting.  By the end of his stay he had lost a little
weight, could walk all the way down the hall without stopping, and could
climb up onto the lower shelf of book shelves.  And one time, when my boss
brought his new puppy in, I even saw Krisper jump over a radio on the floor
and race down the hall.

We were all sad to see Krisper go, mostly because we figured once the
prescription food ran out he would be back to giving him store food in large
quantities.  His owner didn't seem to realize that he was killing his cat,
eventhough he loved Krisper.  He felt he was showing how much he loved the
cat by giving him whatever he wanted, even though he could see that his cat
was obviously suffering because of it.  It would have been good if we could
have kept Krisper at the store permanently.  He really seemed to thrive on
the attention.  He would have been good in a multi-cat household too.  His
woner was a roommate of some other people at one time and there were other
cats in the apartment and Krisper was fine.  He really wanted to make
friends with Tiger but she was terrified of his.

Liz
Diane L. Schirf - 05 Apr 2004 13:46 GMT
> We were all sad to see Krisper go, mostly because we figured once the
> prescription food ran out he would be back to giving him store food in large
> quantities.  His owner didn't seem to realize that he was killing his cat,
> eventhough he loved Krisper.  

Sounds like a lonely person, projecting his feelings onto his cat.

Hodge would eat constantly, if I let him. He got up to 17 lbs. before I
realised he wasn't going to maintain his weight like Pudge did.

Like mother, like son.

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