I wouldn't recommend electric fences or collars. Here are some ideas:

http://www.fabcats.org/fencing.html
http://www.purrfectfence.co.uk/
http://www.lkegan.plus.com/Catproof%20fencing.pdf
http://www.woodycoon.com/html/cat-proof_fencing.html
http://www.cat-world.com.au/cat-worldenclosures.htm

A harness attached to tie-outs work well but you need to stay out there with
him as being tied up makes them too vulnerable to dogs and other cats.  Or
you could use a leash and walk the cat around.  Some people also build
outdoor enclosures in their yard.

The links to cat fence sites was the best idea. I didn't see
CatFenceIn.com so I'll throw that in. I have a small backyard (18'
wide and about 50' deep) that has a chain link fence three and a half
feet high. So I went to Home Despot and got a bunch of thin aluminum
pipes and some sort of chicken wire. I attached the pipes to the
existing fence, strung the chicken wire along above the fence, and
bent in the chicken wire at the top so it comes in at a 45 degree
angle.

The cats don't leave and don't even try. They're happy just to go out
in the back whenever I can arrange to let them do it. If I'm going to
be working on the computer and unable to watch them, I set up a camera
and broadcast it to the TV and I keep an eye on them that way. I'll go
15 minutes without checking on them if it's warm enough to leave the
back door open for them.

We had a huge snowstorm this winter that dumped, seriously, over three
feet of snow back there. I had to get the snow off of some trees and
wanted to get food into the bird feeder so I dug a path right over the
deck and all the way back to the birdfeeder and trees. Espy insisted
on going out so I let him and followed him out as he followed the path
around. He couldn't get out of the path because the sides were just
too steep. But he would have stayed out there all day if I had let
him.

Nipsy, the long haired Maine Coonish wuss, refused to go out even
though his pads are fur lined. Go figure.

Buy a leash and harness. Otherwise, you're asking for trouble.

Don't use electric anything on a cat. Bad idea.
I used a long leash and harness for years. Works great.
Last year I took the leash off and kept the harness on. She acts like the
leash is still on and stays within the area she could go before.
If you use a leash and harness they need to be supervised at all times! It
only takes seconds to get tangled up or choked. It's unbelievable how fast
they can find trouble. LOL
You have to watch them constantly and teach them that there is a boundary
that they cannot cross if they are in the yard unleashed.
Stay outside and make it playtime, giving them lots of love and attention.
This would be your time together put aside just for you and your kitty.
Don't yell and scream or hit when they cross it, but go to them and say
"No!" and push their butt gently with your foot till they are in the safe
zone again.
Be consistant.
Worked for me. She doesnt go farther than shes allowed and never ever leaves
the yard.
I live beside a busy street with no fence, but the psycological effect of
teaching them{ in a loving way} the boundaries they cannot cross, works
great. Cats are intelligent and learn very well.
The rest of the time if you want your door open, I use a window screen
wedged inbetween the frame that she can look through but not leave the
house. She sits there for hours happy as a peach, safe and sound, and never
tries to jump over it to get outside.

Char

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rom: Momi...@webtv.net (misty)
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:29:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Beth wrote:

Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still
using the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.

The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were:
build a fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on
putting a modular home here within the next few years...
put more fence at the top of the pen I used so both dogs
could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar suggestions.

Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he
was kook supreme ;-P  So I ignored him... no killfiles with
webtv..  at that time Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like
Candace, so the group was not very conducive to learning anything.

At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.

By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already
ran away.

Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my
first post at "runaway dog message 30"  within that thread
is mention of the dogs taking off and being gone for 2 days.
I stopped posting for a bit... my middle boy was devastated
that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but not her mom.

The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.

Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes,  I put it
in my e-mail (no storage otherwise on webby unless you put
stuff on a webpage) and read it, read it and read it.

Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it
on Zelda.  It worked and I now have a great housedog!

I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to
lose another wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with
little kids.  I and my boys still miss her.  Sometimes I
still look to see if she came home when we get back from trips.

Maybe Peach would still have ran away... I don't know
and never will....

~misty

                    ---------------

From: "Jerry Howe" <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:16:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?

Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given
you a bum steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of
losing their careers and reputations....

Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and
sharing...J;~)
                           ---------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message news

I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.

I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of
how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea
that my using a shock collar could have any bearing on
Peach not wanting to stay home.

Up until I started using it my main concern had been
keeping my dogs in their own yard.

Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.

I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the
anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.

I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g>
A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time.

IOW a great companion and friend.

Thanks Jerry!

                ---------------

misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.

Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days.

The last time, Peach didn't come back home.

I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.

She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her from
chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk around
the yard.

I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars.  If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog.

I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog
in our yard again.

The price was too high:-( ~misty

             --------------------------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

Hi Cathy!

Yes I used The Wits End Method to train my girl, Zelda.
You can check the archives and see I'm a real person..

I post in misc.kids.breastfeeding, alt.cats rec.pets.cats.annecdotes
(not lately, my kitty died) rec.pets.dogs.behavior rec.pets.birds and
a ton of webtv firewalled ngs.

Zelda and her mom, Peach (RB) both loved to run the
neighborhood with my neighbors 2 male dogs.  An e-fence
couldn't keep them home, chains pulled up and Peach could
jump/climb a 5 ft. fence.

I wrote in here for advice and felt like Jerry had jumped
down my throat.  Upon re-reading his post to me..well..it
hit home hard that I was being abusive to my dog.

The thought of shocking my dog ever again makes me
want to puke.

Like I've said before... I might not like the way Jerry
treats some of the other posters but he gave me ( for _free_)
a way to teach myself and my dog.

I can let Zelda outside and not worry that a potty break
will mean she'll be gone for 2 days or, worse yet, not ever
come home...like her mom.

Zelda stopped chewing everything in sight once I started
applying Jerry's methods.  One time of "bad slipper!" and
she never chewed another one up :-D

I don't post here a lot because I don't ave any problems
needing solved. I do join in occasionally or post informative
lnks.  I just feel that my limited experience precludes me
from jumping in every thread <shrug> but I do read all of them.

If you want my phone number, e-mail me.  We would have to
set up a time because I'm on the webbie a lot and we only
have 1 phone line.

~misty

              -------------

"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message

You can check Google for my posting history... here,
breeds, cats, kids and birds... and I have a dog who
doesn't : chew inappropriate items , jump on people,
counter-surf, be aggressive, bark too much, get in
the garbage no matter what yummy morsel is waiting,
can be left overnight in the house w/o pottying or
any of the above... no, she has no titles other than
beloved pet.. but that is enough for me.

Yes, some dogs are just good dogs but... Zelda used
to destroy stuff..kids toys, stuffed animals, shoes,
and even my pillow.  She would pee in the house.
She would go on barking jags because the neighbor's
dogs were barking.

Byusing Jerry's manual I worked things out... I got
rid of the crate and put the kibosh on plans of getting
another shock collar (for e-fence) and had a plan to
follow which trained Zelda to stay in her yard and not
go roaming with her buddies.

Zelda came ito my life as a 3-4 month old pup who
lived outside, ran free and had never been inside.

We adopted her and then her mom, spayed both and
tried to cope with one dog who refused to stay home...
jumped fences, broke chains and finally chewed off
collar to be able to go go go.

Peach didn't come back the last time.

Zelda started out running off with her mm and
her buddies.. she continued to do so until I
did the step by step plan Jerry's manual outlines.

She stays home... she doesn't chew up stuff
and she is 1000% housebroken.

Again.. Jerry might be "crazy" but his
methods work and they are free...

~misty
                            ----------

That's irrelevent STUDY THE METHOD and FOLLOW IT
PRECISELY otherWIZE you'll end up with a DEAD KAT:

From: Charlie Wilkes (charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com)
Subject: Re: 2 points about bad advice (in response to leah's
detractors)

Date: 2003-12-07 12:58:15 PST

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 17:59:22 GMT, "The Puppy Wizard"

<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> wrote:

I read through Arlene's book, and her thinking is
quite compatible with yours, Jerry.  Ditto Paul Owen,
who even uses your style of rhetoric here and there.

You're much more mainstream than you'd like to think.

I personally owe you a big debt of gratitude,
because your manual opened my mind to a
productive way of working with a difficult puppy
who needed a lot of hands-on work and none
of this negative "alpha" bullshit.

I worked your hot/cold and family leadership
routines into a kind of loosely structured pothead
game, and I started praising and treating my dog
when she acted up, instead of yelling at her.

Lo and behold, she came around fast, because
she started looking to ME for cues when the
external stimuli got her wound up.  That was the
critical turning point in terms of establishing control
over her aggression.

I looked at Paul Owens' book, where he talks
about Level 1 through 4 on the basic commands.

Sadly, I'm still at Level 1 with Holly on damn
near all of them... I just don't give a sh.t as
long as she generally behaves herself.

The exception, however, is recall, where Holly is at
Level 4 +++.  And, with a dog like mine, recall is
the essence of reliability.

I got it from the WETM.

But, I have since discovered that there are other
good books out there.  My impression is that Karen
Pryor started the current trend with "Don't Shoot the
Dog," a book I have yet to read.

The Koehler-type trainers are still out there with
their jerks and shock collars, but their texts are
no longer common on the shelves of respectable bookstores.

You have to go to the sporting goods stores,
and frankly, even most hunters have given
up on the harsh bullshit because the faster,
better techniques are becoming so widely known.

Now, what do you think of Colin Tennant?  He's
a pretty hard-core alpha master, IMO, but he
uses subtlety rather than raw aggression.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Charlie

              --------------

HOWEDY Charle,

The Puppy Wizard thinks you've taken leave of
your senses by discussing incompetent ineffective
trainer's advice (arlene arden for example) with  the
liars and dog abusers and mental cases abHOWET
HOWE to train dogs.

                 ------------

(Rafiki

Well, Lynn, my intuition is informed by my experience and
what I have read, and I will grant you it is not breed-specific.

But, the guy came looking for advice, and Leah was the only
one who gave him any. The next thing he knew, he was in the
pit with all the lady tigers.

So, considering what you know about the breed and Bill's
problem, would it be reasonable for him to tether the dog
and have the young man enter the room, ignore him, and
sit on the couch?

If the dog doesn't freak out and start lunging, perhaps the
guy could very carefully set a meat-filled kong on the floor,
and the handler could extend the dog's tether long enough
to reach it but not the young man, as a first step toward
breaking the ice.

This is loosely based on the method outlined in "Breaking
Bad Habits in Dogs" by Colin Tennant. He recommends
that the dog be tethered a few minutes before the arrival
of the visitor.

What do you think?

Charlie.
                          -------

The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ and has CITED
several of HOWER regular lying dog abusing Punk
Thug Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM MENTAL
CASES CASE HISTORIES of bribing fearful dogs
to make them friendly, causing them to attack.

IN FACT professora melanie changs fear aggressive
man shy BC Solo demonstrated that principle of
behavior and posted it right here on The Freakin
Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard's Archives.

LIKE THIS:

From: The Annals Of Human And Animal Behavior
          Forensic Sciences Reserarch Laboratory

Subject:        My private psych ward

From:           Charlie Wilkes
Date:           Sat, Dec 31 2005 3:02 am
Email:          Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
Groups:                 rec.pets.cats.health+behav

I need it... it has been 3 weeks and a day now since my dog, Holly,
was killed, apparently by a car.  I found her in the front yard, all
but unconscious, and took her to the emergency vet where she lived
just long enough to cost me $1,000.

The vet thought he was dealing with a case of poisoning because
she had no visible signs of injury, but he did an autopsy after she
died and found a small bruise and a ruptured spleen.  I assume
she got cornered on the bumper of a car or perhaps hit by something
protruding from a vehicle, like a farm implement being towed.

She was always afraid of cars and the road,
but something pulled her off guard, apparently.

I got on a plane and came out to the island.  It took me awhile to set
up an internet connection using my cell phone and an old computer.

I have a caretaker who takes care of everything and enables me to
wallow in lassitude.  I have been sitting around reading old history
books, forgotten lore to go along with the dreary nights.

                         ---------

From:           Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
Date:           Sun, Jan 1 2006 7:24 am
Email:          Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@users.easynews.com>
Groups:                 rec.pets.cats.health+behav

www.petloss.com  Ed is a two-bit huckster who has hit on a scam to
exploit people's grief.  He has a chat session on Thursday nights, or
some such thing, and I have suggested that sometime I might like to
participate.  Ed is not keen on that idea, and we've gone back and
forth a bit to exchange views.  Frankly and candidly, I might add.

Charlie

                  -----------

Yeah. They work the same same as HOWE they work for dogs:

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without
starting the whole cruelty thread again so I'll
state my opinion once and won't defend it further:
any method can be cruel for some dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at
the beginning, but we've come a long way since then.

She trusts us now as I mentioned in a recent post.

Point is, she's been rewarded for coming, but she's
never been punished, even in the mildest way, for
not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net>
wrote in message news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
and the vet agrees.
--Lia

From: Mark Shaw (m...@bangnetcom.com)
Subject: Re: Fido-Shock
Date: 2002-04-10 14:12:18 PST

In article <gWLs8.203228$af7.101030@rwcrn­­­sc53>,

"Coleman Brumley" <clbrum...@home.com> wrote:

If you're talking about the pet-grade hotwire system,
I have one. It's to keep boarded dogs out of my flowers.

I take it you're considering running the wire across the top
of the fence?  I don't think I'd recommend that, although it
may be worth a try.  Watch closely -- the one case where I saw
a hotwire used in this fashion caused the dog undue stress and
frustration, and he tried even harder to get over the fence.
So be prepared to take it down right away.

That was a Dane, though.  With a Saint things might be
different.
--
Mark Shaw

culprit's dogs MURDERED her kat for
standin behind their SHOCK FENCE
just like HOWE liea's dog attacked
her only friend and tried to attack two
little kids for standin in her SHOCK ZONE:

From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing
bark alert, while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST

"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.co­­­m>
wrote in message news:yIydnZpPsIzg6l_d4p2dnA@comcast.com...

       ------------------------------­­­--

Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.

Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.

Just hides under a desk in the house.

From:        Black Dog
Date:        Tues, Apr 18 2006 11:58 am
Email:         Black Dog <f...@Ihatespam.com>

Adam wrote:

My friend got two lab puppies, one male, one female and an invisible
fence, complete with the trainer who comes over and trains the dogs.
The male puppy ignored the fence and the corrections and the training
and went wherever he felt like.  The female was so terrified she would
cower in the middle of the yard.  When her brother got near the fence
markers she would shake.  To me, it was a failure for both dogs.

Subject:    Cat Escape, advice sought
From:  Larry R Harrison Jr
Date:  Tues, Dec 6 2005 12:03 am

I am glad you found it. All I can offer is just do whatever
you have to to keep it away from the door. Once they've been
outside cats--so I've been told--have a raving mad obsession
with it, it's as bad as their desire for a mate when they're
in heat.

So don't let them near the door when you're leaving. If they
come within a MILE of the door, watergun spray-them or something
every single time they go near it. Just deliver the message loud
& clear that even just being near the door much less going outside
is just totally out of the question.

That is what I do to my cat who seems obsessed. Someone will
open the door and he'll stubbornly insist on wanting to go to
the open door--but I stand there with a broom and make sure
that any attempts earn him a swift sweep across the room very
quickly.

His stubborness in no way matches my determination, and
I can tell you--he hasn't made it outside yet. He keeps
trying, but he always loses--and he always will.

You will have to be that way in SPADES since your cat has
experienced the outdoors and now is quadruply determined
(compared to mine) to make it outdoors.

LRH
                  --------------------

                 A DOG Is A Dog;
                As A KAT IS A KAT;
              As A BIRDY IS A BIRDY;
             As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
          As A SP-HOWES IS a SP-HOWES;
     As A Mass Murderer IS A Mass Murderer.

          ALL Critters Only Respond In
        PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
            INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
 To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
           Which We Create For Them.

 "Only the unenlightened speak of wisdom and right action
           as separate, not the wise.

   If any man knows one, he enjoys the fruit of both.

        The level which is reached by wisdom
                 is attained
          through right action as well.

 He who perceives that the two are one knows the truth."

 "Even the wise man acts in character with his nature,
 indeed all creatures act according to their natures.

         What is the use of compulsion then?

        The love and hate which are aroused
      by the objects of sense arise from Nature,
               do not yield to them.
           They only obstruct the path," -
               - Bhagavad Gita,
           adapted by Krishna with permission
           from His OWN FREE copy of The Simply
           Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End
           Dog Training Method manual <{) ; ~  )   >

        In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
                  FAILURE MEANS DEATH.
                      SAME SAME,
        For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.

The Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard AIN'T playin grabbass.

That's right, Disciple Charlie. Offering a fearful dog
FOOD makes them SUSPICIHOWES and they'll often
ATTACK to defend their food or chase you off.

melanie, sinofabitch and loonie toons and others
OBSERVED THIS EFFECT as you did yourself.

Would you become comfortable if those adolescents
was likely to get into your stash??? NO. You'd be
suspiciHOWES of their every move and you'd watch
them like a hawk.

Then you make a brief variably alternating distraction
instantly followed by proloned non physical PRAISE
untill the behavior is EXXXTINGUISHED.

Bribing your dog is HOWE COME you COULDN'T
TRAIN HER to INSTANLY accept strangers, Charile.

Your dog may be an accident waitin to happen.

You'll learn the hard way and you'll MURDER Holly
just like Robert Crim and cHOWENTLESS others
have done.

Well Disciple Charlie, that IS a WIZE idea.

HOWEver, it's not necessary if the OP did
ALL of the preliminary EXXXERCISES and
had a good understanding of The Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual's Techniques.

WE MAKE A BRIEF VARIABLY ALTERNATING
DISTRACTION INSTANTLY FOLLOWED BY
PROLONGED NON PHYSICAL PRAISE, just
like HOWE we address ANY behavior we want
to EXXXTINGUISH.

What the OP DESCRIBED was JERKIN and CHOKING
his dog according to the ADVICE of his breeder, Charlie.

Seems like you was taught better back then, Disciple Charlie.
Have you been LYIN abHOWET your dog's behavior? You
DO remember when you "got scared" abHOWET Holly when
you wasn't gonna be there to FORCE CONTROL or BRIBE her.
Don't you remember THAT, Disciple Charlie?

Evidently you didn't follow The Puppy Wizard's ADVICE
cause WE DO NOT BRIBE BEHAVIORS Disciple Charlie
cause THAT teaches dogs GREED and REINFORCES
behavior problems and lowers the dog's ESTEEM for his
handler's AUTHORITY, Disciple Charlie.

leah is a liar and a dog abuser and a goddamned mental case.
Bribing aggressive dogs is the most infantile ridiculHOWES
dangerHOWES advice anyWON could give... DESPITE
that HOWER veterinary "behaviorists" all recommend
BRIBING FEARFUL DOGS.

You mean INSTEAD of EXXXTINGUISHING the aggressive
THOUGHT NEARLY INSTANTLY through effective scientific
techniques, Disciple Charlie?

OR THE DOG WILL ATTACK, like looney toons,
melanie and sinofabitch amongst others DISCOVERED
and REPORTED RIGHT HERE.

You're beginnig to SCARE The Puppy Wizard, Disciple Charlie.

IN A HEIGHTENED STATE OF ALERT, Disciple Charlie.

AND RUN TO HIDE TO EAT IT WITH HIS BACK
TO THE WALL IN A HEIGHTENED STATE OF ALERT.

NO. Bribing dogs does NOT TEACH THEM TO ACCEPT
STRANGERS, as YOU HAVE DISCOVERED, cause your
dog Holly is STILL HAVIN PROBLEMS for accepting strangers
you tell her are O.K. THAT'S ON ACCHOWENT OF YOUR
GODDAMNED BRIBES, Disciple Charlie.

BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

You'll be WASTING The Puppy Wizard's time to
review the text and CRUCIFY the author, but if
that will make you HAPPY Disciple Charlie, you
KNOW The Puppy Wizard will be eager to PLEASE
and RE EDUCATE you.

The Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED the EXXXPERTS,
Disciple Charlie. There's NO place for bribes or intimidation
in a learning situation.

The Puppy Wizard would PREFER you refrain from
posting any EXXXPERT BULLSHIT. But if that'll make
you FEEL better, FIRST, ask Holly to introduce herself
to a big hairy stranger just to VERIFY THAT IT DIDN'T
WORK FOR YOU as YOU THOUGHT IT DID.

YOUR DOG IS STILL SKITTISH CAUSE YOU BRIBED HER.

       AND NHOWE SHE'S DEAD JUST LIKE HOWE The
       Freakin Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard SAID <{): ~ (  >