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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / May 2006Death of My Cat Last Week
My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. I noticed she was missing on Tuesday, April 25, and that afternoon after work I looked for her -- under my house, under my shed, under my neighbor's house. Did not find her. On Weds. I expanded the search, looking in neighbors' yards several houses away from my own. I thought I heard my cat's distinct "meow" in the yard four houses down from my own, but did not find her. On Thurs. I called the town animal control officer, who said he had not found my cat; I went out to the pound anyway, and did not find her. I also called the police, to see if any officers had reported a dead cat. And I called all the vets in town, to see if someone had run over her and brought her in. Did not find her. After work that day I searched the park a block from my house, and, finding nothing, I went back home, and resolved to search my own yard again more carefully. To my shock, I found my cat dead in a sewer drain; I could plainly see her through a grating, which she had reached by climbing through a PVC pipe about 7-inches in diameter. She was lying down, with her front paws before her, and her back paws behind her; her head was erect. She looked as though resting. It had rained terribly on Tues. & early Weds, and although her hair was now mostly dry (there no longer being any water in the pipe), it was matted and spiked, showing that it had been extremely wet. The hair from her chin to the top of her head, however, looked as though it had not gotten wet. Her eyes were slightly open. My original thought was that she had been pulled down into the sewer by rushing rain water; or that before it rained she had crawled into the pipe out of curiosity, and had been caught there by the water. But she did not look like she had drowned, since she was in a relaxed position with her head up. Also, I found it hard to believe that she had been sucked into the pipe, because the pipe in question simply didn't draw that much water; it merely drained a small part of my yard. Increasingly, however, I am of the opinion that she crawled into the pipe to die, since cats are commonly known to hide away in order to die. As far as I know, she had never before crawled into that pipe, even though it had been in our yard for several years. Perhaps this is wishful thinking on my part, but she was 15, as I mentioned, and not the cat she used to be. SKB, 1 May 2006 > My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > SKB, 1 May 2006 I am sorry about your cat. As you know, when you allow them to roam unsupervised, literally anything can happen. Please consider keeping any other cats you may adopt inside where they are safe. My only other comment is: felesfatales@yahoo.com? Because it is unusual for anyone to create an email just to post to Usenet about the death of their cat, there are people who will suspect that you are full of sh.t and so is your story. I can be sure of this because I am one of them. However, on the off chance that you really did have a cat that died in this way, I offer my sincere condolences. I merely wanted to share my grief with other cat owners; I did not expect to be told that I was "full of sh.t." I find your comment most inappropriate, particularly under the circumstances. "Feles fatalis" means "deadly cat" (not "dead cat"), and it reflects my love of large cats, both modern and extinct (such as smilodon fatalis, better known as the saber-toothed tiger). A simple Usenet search would reveal that I have used "felesfatalis@yahoo.com" for some time. > I merely wanted to share my grief with other cat owners; I did not > expect to be told that I was "full of sh.t." Is that what I said? > I find your comment most inappropriate, particularly under the > circumstances. Do you mean the comment in which I offered my condolences? > "Feles fatalis" means "deadly cat" (not "dead cat"), and it reflects my > love of large cats, both modern and extinct (such as smilodon fatalis, > better known as the saber-toothed tiger). > > A simple Usenet search would reveal that I have used > "felesfatalis@yahoo.com" for some time. As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. As for the former, I fear I am losing my Latin. It happens quickly when one stops using it daily. > As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. Perhaps you should consider doing that before making insensitive, judgmental comments. > > As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. > > Perhaps you should consider doing that before making insensitive, judgmental > comments. Do you really think so? > > > As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do you really think so? Try "thinking" for a change, cybercrap!  Signature---------- J Young >> > > As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Try "thinking" for a change, cybercrap! What? No edit? You're losing your ability to "bitchslap"............LOL lastratstanding wrote: > >> > > As for the latter, I rarely "Google" anyone's posting history. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > What? No edit? You're losing your ability to > "bitchslap"............LOL Go back to giving golden showers to children, Limpy! "I piss on them and their children." Posted by Limpy/bobandcarole. What a sicko! No wonder Carole ran off with the children! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >"I piss on them and their children." Posted by Limpy/bobandcarole. You still think I'm bob and carol? LOL Shows how stupid you are. >What a sicko! > >No wonder Carole ran off with the children! lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > You still think I'm bob and carol? LOL Shows how stupid you are. I notice you DIDN'T deny posting that you want to give golden showers to children. Got ya, sicko! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You're a real pervo, teandhismolestedson! Turn yourself in! > >What a sicko! > > > >No wonder Carole ran off with the children! >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I notice you DIDN'T deny posting that you want to give golden showers >to children. Evasion noted. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >I notice you DIDN'T deny posting that you want to give golden showers > >to children. > Evasion noted. Yep. YOURS! More proof that you're not only a pedophile, but a kinky one at that, teandhismolestedson! Golden showers on children?! Turn yourself in, LameytheGayPornGoldenShowerCableGuy! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Golden showers on children?! >Turn yourself in, LameytheGayPornGoldenShowerCableGuy! You been taking lessons, You almost fLAMED me there. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > You been taking lessons, You almost fLAMED me there. You fLAMED yourself, Lamo the Golden Shower Pedophile. Mebbe now you should piss on yourself to extinguish it. LOOOZER! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >LOOOZER! Ooops! You slipped, open up that little book of insults and see if you can find something a little better. Or you could just edit my posts. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > you can find something a little better. Or you could just edit my > posts. Don't need to. You're now an admitted pedophile that claims to enjoy urinating on children. It's on your permanent record, Limpy! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >It's on your permanent record, Limpy! What permanent record Jon? The one you keep? LOL Obsessed much are ya cupcake? I piss on you and your children. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > > >It's on your permanent record, Limpy! > What permanent record Jon? The one you keep? The one the FBI Pedophile Unit keeps. > LOL > > Obsessed much are ya cupcake? I piss on you and your children. Post forwarded to www.FBI.gov. The file on LameytheGayPornGoldenShowerCableGuy continues to grow! Get ready to meet your cellmate Bubba, Limpy. I'm sure he'll love your ability to be so many different bitches (Limpy/Zach/bob/nym du jour). Don't forget to bring the KY! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >Don't forget to bring the KY! Let me know when you have a real insult or something funny, Yer boring me now. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > Let me know when you have a real insult or something funny, Yer boring > me now. And yet you keep coming back fer another bitchslap. Jes like clockwork, it is. Yer not hard to spot, even with all those sockpuppets, teandhissoakingwetson! LLLOOOOOOOZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Signature---------- J Young >lastratstanding wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >And yet you keep coming back fer another bitchslap. >Jes like clockwork, it is. A bitchslap? Is that what that was? I bet you got bullied a lot at school. lastratstanding wrote: > >lastratstanding wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > > A bitchslap? Is that what that was? Yep. And you LIKED it! > I got bullied a lot at school. That's cuz you're a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZER!!! -- ------ J > I merely wanted to share my grief with other cat owners; I did not > expect to be told that I was "full of sh.t." Since I am already on your bad side, I would like to ask a question that I am willing to bet many people would like to know the answer to: what on earth were you thinking leaving a 15-year-old cat outside unattended? At that age many cats are beginning to become hampered by age. > > I merely wanted to share my grief with other cat owners; I did not > > expect to be told that I was "full of sh.t." [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > earth were you thinking leaving a 15-year-old cat outside unattended? At > that age many cats are beginning to become hampered by age. I don't know where you live (can I guess it's somewhere in the U.S.?) but here in U.K. most people allow their cats unrestricted access to "outside". My two earlier cats lived for the outdoors, caught rats and so on, and they lived to be 19 and died of old age. We take our chances, and I lost a 9-month-old kitten on the road a month ago, but I've still got her brother and my 11-year-old lady, who are growing closer. These things happen. Cats are better with a short happy life outside doing their catty things than living to old age stuck indoors where they can't do the things that cats want to do. My condolences to Feles on the loss of his/her cat. someone97 >We take our chances, and I lost a >9-month-old kitten on the road a month ago, but I've still got her brother >and my 11-year-old lady, who are growing closer. These things happen. They happen because of neglect and negligence by irresponsible owners. Would you allow a toddler to play in traffic thinking whatever happens was meant to be? -m : >We take our chances, and I lost a : >9-month-old kitten on the road a month ago, but I've still got her brother [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : Would you allow a toddler to play in traffic thinking whatever happens : was meant to be? No, but for the sake of balance let me note that I was allowed to play in the backyard when I was a child and so are my children now. >: >We take our chances, and I lost a >: >9-month-old kitten on the road a month ago, but I've still got her brother [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >No, but for the sake of balance let me note that I was allowed to play >in the backyard when I was a child and so are my children now. And my cats are allowed to play in my backyard because I have it fenced in so that they can't get out and get run over or into fights with other animals. Some of the things that cats love to do include killing birds and that is pretty much eliminated by keeping them contained. There was a dead cat that I biked past a few days ago. Someone else thought it was fine to let their cat roam around. There appears to be an undercurrent in these discussions that there is no ground between confining your cats indoors and letting them "roam freely" exposed to all kind of danger. Some of us work hard to arrive at a good in-between compromise tailored to our specific circumstances. My cat and my neighbors' cats have a good outdoor life in porches and in fenced backyards when they want. We have cut openings to make sure they can visit one another. They cannot go out of the fenced area and animals from outside cannot come in. We know one another; we pet-sit for one another; if a pet misbehaves, we deal with it. Even dogs are tolerant of the cats and the cats used to them. Nobody has a swimming pool. Car garages are always kept closed, after a while it becomes a habit and second nature like keeping the front doors closed. Of course, we also know how to lock them inside when there is a need, be it illness or bad behavior or bad weather. You have to look at your specific situation and make the best possible choices. Don't be locked into theoretical formulas arrived at and advocated by people who know zilch about your circumstances. Kiran <kiran@no.email> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > There appears to be an undercurrent in these discussions that > there is no ground between confining your cats indoors and letting [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > arrived at and advocated by people who know zilch about your > circumstances. The UK generally thinks it's abuse to keep them in, the US generally thinks it's abuse to let them out. It's all just a matter of opinion and preference. I wish this group could get over the self-centered idea that because another opinion is different it's automatically wrong. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Kiran <kiran@no.email> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >idea that because another opinion is different it's automatically >wrong. Bubba absolutely refuses to go outside. If I leave the door open, he'll peek out for a bit and then wander back inside. If I put him out on the patio, he'll stay out as long as I do, but when I stand up he's first in the door. I think he had a bad outdoor experience that landed him in the shelter before I got him. Claude > The UK generally thinks it's abuse to keep them in, the US generally > thinks it's abuse to let them out. It's all just a matter of opinion > and preference. I wish this group could get over the self-centered > idea that because another opinion is different it's automatically > wrong. I had a friend who bought his wife a brand new lincoln continental he parked it in the driveway, and we waited for her to come home. She was super surprised... she looke squarely at him and said but Honey! we've never had a black car. we bout fell out! she was serious. it was true, we got to talking about it and they had always bought dark green cars... dude reeled'em off. oh, she drove it alright, but your remarks remind me of that story.. but HONEY! we've never had a cat outside... I guess things get engrained in peoples minds, like cat in, cat out... all in what we was taught right... with some things, you could say, the nuts don't fall far from the tree like mamma like baby, monkey see monkey do I know, someone will bring up Ruprecht, John a.s Doe was the first a.shole to remind me how ignorant he is by offered no sympathy just told you so or something ignorant like that. It takes a cold hearted brute to slap someone when they are experiencing pain, but some folk are so low... it's the only oppurtunity they get to hit someone! (when that person is down) For the greatest part, I find the people here to be intillectually stimulating, and normal. Normal you know, just working folk, looking to kill a little time, then you got those shiftless a-holes, who have nothing better to do than revel in someone elses pain, or sufferieng. they are like poopee flies if you will. HOPE KAMI IS THRIVING Beary Juice <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> The UK generally thinks it's abuse to keep them in, the US >> generally thinks it's abuse to let them out. It's all just a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Beary Kami is hanging in there. She's been eating all of her food, waiting for din-din when I get home. She's off today because I'm sick and she doesn't leave my general area and so hasn't been in the kitchen. I did just finally feel better and got a nice greasy cheeseburger and she was ALL about that! As for the topic, we've had both indoor and outdoor cats. It's all about personality. My parents had one in a one out for a while because that's just what the cats preferred. Cocoa wanted to be out mousing and B2 wanted to lounge in the a/c. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= > For the greatest part, I find the people here to be intillectually > stimulating, and normal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Beary I would think that after a pack of feral junkyard dogs killed the cat you left outside you might be an advocate of keeping them indoors where they are safe instead of making snotty comments regarding those who are. But then, that makes sense. It is far more pleasurable for you to feel sorry for yourself than face any situation honestly. > I would think that after a pack of feral junkyard dogs > killed the cat you left outside you might be an advocate of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is far more pleasurable for you to feel sorry for > yourself than face any situation honestly. you mean like dragging your half dead cat around for a looong time? it was better for Ruprecht, he went fast. Now how long did you keep that cat head in a jar? didnt' you say you tube fed it too? > > I would think that after a pack of feral junkyard dogs > > killed the cat you left outside you might be an advocate of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it was better for Ruprecht, he went fast. Now how long did you keep > that cat head in a jar? didnt' you say you tube fed it too? lol That is funny. It was a tough call, and she had regular vet care. Since the vet found nothing wrong with her at all except that she would not eat, sure, I held her wrapped in a towel and fed her chicken baby food with a turkey baster. (She lapped it off the end of the thing.) You're right, that was a terrible thing for me to do. It would have been much better if I had left her outside when she was still young to have her back broken by dogs. She was a pregnant stray when I found her. I chose to keep her inside. She lived to be 20 years old. How old was Ruprecht? Be an a.shole all you want--you have to do what you are good at. But your experience would have a better man warning others to do their best to keep their cat safe. Instead, it has you whining about people who endanger their cats being persecuted by those of us who rightly say, "when you let them roam unsupervised anything can happen." Juice <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> I would think that after a pack of feral junkyard dogs >> killed the cat you left outside you might be an advocate of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > it was better for Ruprecht, he went fast. Now how long did you keep > that cat head in a jar? didnt' you say you tube fed it too? There's a reason that halfwit is killfiled. Looks like he just illustrated my point. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= > The UK generally thinks it's abuse to keep them in, the US generally > thinks it's abuse to let them out. It's all just a matter of opinion > and preference. I wish this group could get over the self-centered > idea that because another opinion is different it's automatically > wrong. Amen to that! Toni from T.O. > > The UK generally thinks it's abuse to keep them in, the US generally > > thinks it's abuse to let them out. It's all just a matter of opinion [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Amen to that! Nonsense. What is unreasonable is to expect people who really like cats NOT to get upset when you endanger them. When you leave them outside unattended you endanger them. Your choice, but if you write about it, it will upset me. >> Nonsense. What is unreasonable is to expect people who > really like cats NOT to get upset when you endanger them. > > When you leave them outside unattended you endanger them. > > Your choice, but if you write about it, it will upset me. Fair enough, but there are more appropriate times to express one's opinion than when someone comes on here to share their loss. And telling someone they are "full of sh.t" (yes, that IS what you said) because you find their email address suspect is uncalled for. > >> Nonsense. What is unreasonable is to expect people who > > really like cats NOT to get upset when you endanger them. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they are "full of sh.t" (yes, that IS what you said) because you find their > email address suspect is uncalled for. Reading comprehension. My reply to the OP's post is below. There, you will see two statement offering condolences for the loss of the cat, and one saying that I think his/her email may make some, including me, suspect that he.she and his/her story is FULL OF sh.t. So, No, that is not what I said. "I am sorry about your cat. As you know, when you allow them to roam unsupervised, literally anything can happen. Please consider keeping any other cats you may adopt inside where they are safe. My only other comment is: felesfatales@yahoo.com? Because it is unusual for anyone to create an email just to post to Usenet about the death of their cat, there are people who will suspect that you are full of sh.t and so is your story. I can be sure of this because I am one of them. However, on the off chance that you really did have a cat that died in this way, I offer my sincere condolences." > Reading comprehension. Absolutely nothing wrong with my comprehension. My reply to the OP's post is below. There, you will > see two statement offering condolences for the loss of the cat, and one > saying > that I think his/her email may make some, including me, suspect that he.she > and his/her story is FULL OF sh.t. So, No, that is not what I said. Quote: "Because it is unusual for anyone to create an email just to post to Usenet about the death of their cat, there are people who will suspect that you are full of sh.t and so is your story. I can be sure of this because I am one of them." Sorry, where is my comprehension faulty? He/she IS full of sh.t, or YOU think he/she is full of sh.t. Same diff. > However, on the off chance that you really did have a cat that died > in this way, I offer my sincere condolences." Wow, condolences delivered with a slap. How kind. > > Reading comprehension. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Sorry, where is my comprehension faulty? He/she IS full of sh.t, or YOU > think he/she is full of sh.t. Same diff. "Suspect" does not equal "think," princess. > "Suspect" does not equal "think," princess. Spare me the lesson in semantics. Whatever your intent, you offended the OP who understood, as I did, that you were calling him/her full of sh.t. Remember that there is a human being with feelings behind every post before you run roughshod over them. > > "Suspect" does not equal "think," princess. > > Spare me the lesson in semantics. It is not "semantics," you idiot. To say "I suspect" is not to say " I think." And furthermore, while I might defend to the death your right to speak freely like the tightassed control freak you appear to be, I feel compelled to point out that I do not give a fuzzy little rat's cute little hiney what you think about the way I post. Any questions? > It is not "semantics," you idiot. To say "I suspect" is not to > say " I think." It is semantics. Look it up. > And furthermore, while I might defend to the death your right to speak > freely like the tightassed control freak you appear to be, Moi? That's rich, coming from someone who lectures a grieving person. I feel compelled > to point out that I do not give a fuzzy little rat's cute little hiney what > you > think about the way I post. Likewise. I just felt compelled to tell you that you were a complete a.s. Thank goodness we have freedom of expression. As long as we have a valid email address, that is. > Any questions? None at all, sweetheart. Ta-ra for now. > Likewise. I just felt compelled to tell you that you were a complete a.s. > Thank goodness we have freedom of expression. As long as we have a valid [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > None at all, sweetheart. Ta-ra for now. alright seargeant >> Likewise. I just felt compelled to tell you that you were a complete a.s. >> Thank goodness we have freedom of expression. As long as we have a valid [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > alright seargeant Okay numnuts! > > It is not "semantics," you idiot. To say "I suspect" is not to > > say " I think." > > It is semantics. Look it up. *sigh* > > It is not "semantics," you idiot. To say "I suspect" is not to > > say " I think." > > It is semantics. Look it up. Do you have a dictionary, genius? Look up "suspect" and "think." See if the definitions are the same. HINT: They are not. I am being very patient. I always am with the obviously handicapped. HTH. OH SHUT THE BEEEP UP AIN'T YOU GOT NOTHIN BETTER TO DO RIGHT NOW BEEP BEEP BILLS RUNNING OVER IN THE MUTHERFUCKING FLOOR AND THE BEST YOU CAN DO IS ARGUE WITH SOME DICK SUCKER ON THE BEEP BEEP USENET f.cking REALIST I GOT SOMETHING REAL FOR YOU BABY WOO I GOT NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR YOU >OH SHUT THE BEEEP UP AIN'T YOU GOT NOTHIN BETTER TO DO RIGHT NOW > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >WOO I GOT NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR YOU Cybercat? How do you manage to always get teh smart ones? > > It is not "semantics," you idiot. To say "I suspect" is not to > > say " I think." [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > None at all, sweetheart. Ta-ra for now. Spineless prick! how'd you like your nuts cut out and handed to you, lol just kidding OR! GODDAMMIT AM I! JUST KIDDING FOR REAL yeah, people need to ligthen up before they get their goddamn nuts shoved down dey fuckin ah troats against their will just kidding yo im your friend... :) what is your regular email addy> I LIKE the way yoy think > None at all, sweetheart. Ta-ra for now. ah sorry bout that last night (called you a knob polisher) it was just something "ugly" to say at the moment, had nothing to do with you like I said, I like the way you think. ok flame away i got it coming >> None at all, sweetheart. Ta-ra for now. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ok flame away i got it coming Get help! > Get help! sure thing! just hold on Joe, it's goin be alright just take some deep slow breaths, just breathe out all that ignorance thaaat's right, reeelaaaxs ok, im goin to get you some help now woo! >> Get help! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > woo! Juice has gone rancid from being left out of cold storage for too long. > ah sorry bout that last night (called you a knob polisher) You called me a sergeant, too. No worries! Now drop and give me 20 ;-) > > ah sorry bout that last night (called you a knob polisher) > > You called me a sergeant, too. No worries! Now drop and give me 20 ;-) your charity was for a good cause > >> Nonsense. What is unreasonable is to expect people who > > really like cats NOT to get upset when you endanger them. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Fair enough, but there are more appropriate times to express one's opinion > than when someone comes on here to share their loss. Dunno. Cutting to the point sort of works fo me... > And telling someone > they are "full of sh.t" (yes, that IS what you said) because you find their > email address suspect is uncalled for. Haven't been on Usenet long, have we? -L. > Haven't been on Usenet long, have we? I've been on Usenet long enough to recognize that many people will shout "troll" at the slightest provocation. That doesn't make it right. > > Haven't been on Usenet long, have we? > > I've been on Usenet long enough to recognize that many people will shout > "troll" at the slightest provocation. That doesn't make it right. No, really?! I thought a troll was anybody I don't like. > > Haven't been on Usenet long, have we? > > I've been on Usenet long enough to recognize that many people will shout > "troll" at the slightest provocation. That doesn't make it right. I didn't call you a troll. I said you are naive. -L. > > > Haven't been on Usenet long, have we? > > > > I've been on Usenet long enough to recognize that many people will shout > > "troll" at the slightest provocation. That doesn't make it right. > > I didn't call you a troll. I said you are naive. Dimwit thinks that I was calling the OP a troll. I was merely pointing out that it seemed odd for the OP to post about his dead cat with an email that appears to refer to a dead cat. My bad, I guess. But, hey, I never said I was perfect! I just thought it was odd. > Nonsense. What is unreasonable is to expect people who > really like cats NOT to get upset when you endanger them. > > When you leave them outside unattended you endanger them. > > Your choice, but if you write about it, it will upset me. I generally advocate that cats be kept indoors for their own safety (as my own are), but recognize that there are places where cats can be indoor/outdoor safely. Unfortunately those places are few and far between in the US. If we ever have another cat (unlikely due to DH's allergies) I hope we do live in a place where they can be indoor/outdoor safely - or at least I can be out with them off-leash. I really feel my cats miss out on a lot by not being able to roam. I do walk Peewee, but it's not the same. -L. What you described is not the debate of letting your cat outside. You have a controlled environment total different scenario. By the way bravo for taking that much trouble for making a safe environment for your cats. 99.9999% of us are unable to do that so out furballs are kept inside hopefully safe and sound What everyone is talking about is letting your cat run free in the neighborhood and such. I am not talking about the UK or other areas in Europe. We know there is different scenarios over there except near major roadways or cities no excuse than. In The USA there is no excuse to allow your pet to run wild too many problems predators, cars, a@@holes and such even if you live on a back area farm away from society too many things can happen to your loved ones. > There appears to be an undercurrent in these discussions that there is > no ground between confining your cats indoors and letting them "roam [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > choices. Don't be locked into theoretical formulas arrived at and > advocated by people who know zilch about your circumstances. : In The USA there is no excuse to allow your pet to run wild.. The USA is a big country. From Vermont to Manhattan to Kansas and Idaho, I am not sure it is wise or necessary to have one blanket rule everywhere. >There appears to be an undercurrent in these discussions that there is >no ground between confining your cats indoors and letting them "roam [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >My cat and my neighbors' cats have a good outdoor life in porches and >in fenced backyards when they want. My cat Precious is an indoor cat but I take her outdoors for walks on a fairly regular basis. I use a leash with harness and trained her to use it when she was indoors before taking her for walks outside the house. She is very good about staying close to me and the harness prevents her from running off and getting into trouble. She has been spayed so there is no problem with her seeking out a sexual partner. I usually take her to places where there are not that many animals around. Rarely I must pick her up if a large animal comes threateningly close. RC > There appears to be an undercurrent in these discussions that there is > no ground between confining your cats indoors and letting them "roam [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > choices. Don't be locked into theoretical formulas arrived at and > advocated by people who know zilch about your circumstances. It isn't about human circumstances, but rather the circumstances of the felines. : I am sorry about your cat. As you know, when you allow them to roam : unsupervised, literally anything can happen. Please consider keeping any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : are full of sh.t and so is your story. I can be sure of this because : I am one of them. This is insensitive and irrelevant. The cat did not die from a road accident. All indications are, she died of old age and natural causes, so being indoors would not have helped. > : I am sorry about your cat. As you know, when you allow them to roam > : unsupervised, literally anything can happen. Please consider keeping any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > accident. All indications are, she died of old age and natural causes, > so being indoors would not have helped. Old age? At 15? Maybe. But then, if she had been inside feles might have noticed signs of illness. > My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. Sorry for your loss. Toni from T.O. : My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. : [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] : wishful thinking on my part, but she was 15, as I mentioned, and not : the cat she used to be. I cannot guess what happened, but all circumstances considered your guess appears reasonable. My heart goes out to you. All our bonds are this way, someone will leave the other one behind. Get more cats, make more friends, continue to participate fully in the play of life, and be accepting of its inevitable edges. >My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. >Increasingly, however, I am of the opinion that she crawled into the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >wishful thinking on my part, but she was 15, as I mentioned, and not >the cat she used to be. You are correct in your observation that cats hide away to die; my condolences on the death of your Puddin'. I am very very sorry for your loss. Signature.oO rach Oo. > My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > SKB, 1 May 2006 Very sorry for your lost but would like to say that this is one more reason I think cats should be kept indoors where they are safe. >I am very very sorry for your loss. >> I noticed she was missing on Tuesday, April 25, and that afternoon >> after work I looked for her -- under my house, under my shed, under my [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> >> SKB, 1 May 2006 I'm sorry to hear about your loss. It's so sad that our most loved companions have such a short life span. My girl is 12 years old now. Shes still pretty perky, and plays in the yard under my close supervision. Shes an indoor cat, that has yard privileges only when I am outside with her. She listens to commands, EXAMPLE: stay, come here, no, leave it alone, and my favorite.."Don't eat that!" LOL Maybe you should consider keeping your future kitties indoors with small yard privileges as it is much healthier and safer for them. Your not really doing them any favours letting them roam free at will. It's too bad that the post you made had to turn into a "flame gone mad" between JYoung and Lastcatstanding. That showed immense disrespect for you and others that may be going through hard times with the loss of their companion kitties. Hope you feel better soon! Char > My cat of 15 years, Puddin', died last week. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > SKB, 1 May 2006 |
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