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-L. - 19 Apr 2006 07:43 GMT
Every year I completely replace my litter pans - just toss out the old
ones and start fresh.  Last night I went out and plunked down $8.99
each for two "Giant" Van Ness litter pans.  I hired a babysitter and
spent two and a half hours today cleaning the pet area - replacing all
the bedding, sweeping and mopping floors, scrubbing walls...you get the
idea.  I do this thorough cleaning about every 3-4 weeks, just to keep
the environment healthy.  Anyway, today was New Litter Pan Day 2006; I
set them up on the newly-scrubbed floor and laid paper towels
underneath to catch any splashes and stray litter.

I'll be damned if I didn't go in to tuck every one in tonight and find
cat pee all over the floor in the litter box room!  SOMEBODY hung their
butt over the pan and peed a FULL bladder all over the floor.  Figures!
Mimi has a habit of doing this - she is old and getting arthritic and
I think she just can't tell where her kitty parts are.  Peewee does it
every now and then because he's just too damn big and clumsy.

I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it is
commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new color of the
litter pans....

-L.
Phil P. - 19 Apr 2006 09:42 GMT
> Every year I completely replace my litter pans - just toss out the old
> ones and start fresh.  Last night I went out and plunked down $8.99
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> cat pee all over the floor in the litter box room!  SOMEBODY hung their
> butt over the pan and peed a FULL bladder all over the floor.

How can this be? The Van Ness boxes have >8" high sides.  Try the RubberMaid
litter boxes- they're about 12" high.

http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litterbox-rubbermaid-high.jpg
-L. - 20 Apr 2006 05:23 GMT
> How can this be?

Um, I have big cats...?

> The Van Ness boxes have >8" high sides.  Try the RubberMaid
> litter boxes- they're about 12" high.
>
> http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litterbox-rubbermaid-high.jpg

Thanks - I will look for those.  I worry about Mimi gettig in to it
though...she's a little stiff in the AM.
-L.
cybercat - 20 Apr 2006 16:27 GMT
> > How can this be?
>
> Um, I have big cats...?
>
> > The Van Ness boxes have >8" high sides.  Try the RubberMaid
> > litter boxes- they're about 12" high.

http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litterbox-rubbermaid-high.jpg

> Thanks - I will look for those.  I worry about Mimi gettig in to it
> though...she's a little stiff in the AM.
> -L.

I am using this one and I love it. I did not have a problem with the cats
missing the box, I just got tired of sweeping up the litter they kicked out.
The entrance is not too terribly high, I would think even an older cat could
easily manage it.
-L. - 20 Apr 2006 17:25 GMT
> I am using this one and I love it. I did not have a problem with the cats
> missing the box, I just got tired of sweeping up the litter they kicked out.
> The entrance is not too terribly high, I would think even an older cat could
> easily manage it.

Thanks for the rec.  I get tired of sweeping up the litter too- Pee
digs to China when he goes.  One other thing Peewee does is he will
stand with all 4 paws on the corner of the box (all 22 lbs of him) to
poop.  So it has to be a box that isn't easily tipped over - this one
looks like it might still be ok.

-L.
Phil P. - 21 Apr 2006 00:38 GMT
> > I am using this one and I love it. I did not have a problem with the cats
> > missing the box, I just got tired of sweeping up the litter they kicked out.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> poop.  So it has to be a box that isn't easily tipped over - this one
> looks like it might still be ok.

You might want to get this one for a 22 pounder:
http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litter_box-dog-2.jpg   28"x
22" x 9". Plenty of room to move around and the sides are 9" high. It comes
with a 2" slide for the entrance to make it higher if you want.

Phil
J.T. - 21 Apr 2006 01:34 GMT
> You might want to get this one for a 22 pounder:
> http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litter_box-dog-2.jpg   28"x
> 22" x 9". Plenty of room to move around and the sides are 9" high. It comes
> with a 2" slide for the entrance to make it higher if you want.
>
> Phil

you can imagine how I felt when I looked up, and saw a thread titled

"God this is aggrivating" and to discover, YOU had made a new post
under that topic.
Phil P. - 21 Apr 2006 06:24 GMT
> > You might want to get this one for a 22 pounder:
> > http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litter_box-dog-2.jpg   28"x
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>
> you can imagine how I felt

No, Barry, I can't imagine anything about you.  I would need a lobotomy to
imagine how you think or feel.
lastcatstanding - 21 Apr 2006 08:36 GMT
Are people discussing cats at this time of the night?

Jus wondering.

okbye
J.T. - 21 Apr 2006 14:44 GMT
> Are people discussing cats at this time of the night?
>
> Jus wondering.
>
> okbye

worse than discussing cats at wee hours of the morning
is an inquiry about such a discussion

thought you went fishing
you probably did, all you caught was a buzz
lastcatstanding - 21 Apr 2006 18:33 GMT
>> Are people discussing cats at this time of the night?
>>
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>thought you went fishing
>you probably did, all you caught was a buzz

I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an insult or just funny or
both, But you jumped on it so that says plenty.
J.T. - 21 Apr 2006 23:43 GMT
> I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an insult or just funny or
> both, But you jumped on it so that says plenty.

it won't no insult, just messin with ya

my cat tried to put a hairball on me this morning

THAT was an insult... oh man,  cats are nasty
lastcatstanding - 22 Apr 2006 07:38 GMT
>> I'm not sure if that was supposed to be an insult or just funny or
>> both, But you jumped on it so that says plenty.
>
>it won't no insult, just messin with ya

No probs.

>my cat tried to put a hairball on me this morning

Mine haven't tried that yet.

>THAT was an insult... oh man,  cats are nasty

Yea, but could ya live without them?

BTW... Cybercat...I was offered the momma of Sissy and Peek a Boo
today. Should I take her. It's been about 3 months and will they do
allright?
cybercat - 22 Apr 2006 17:29 GMT
> BTW... Cybercat...I was offered the momma of Sissy and Peek a Boo
> today. Should I take her. It's been about 3 months and will they do
> allright?

I imagine so, though I don't have experience in re-introducing Mama
and kittens.

Are you okay with feeding and caring for three cats? It can be a lot
of work and a lot of cat box. (I still really feel it is dangerous to let
cats outside unsupervised where there are animals that prey on them
and cars to hit them, though lots of people do it.) Is Mama spayed?
-L. - 22 Apr 2006 07:43 GMT
> Are people discussing cats at this time of the night?
>
> Jus wondering.
>
> okbye

What time of night?

Here on the W coast it is now....11:41 PM.  I have been child-free for
two hours - DS conked out at 9:30 (late for him) and that's the only
time when I get some free time to myself.

-L.
lastcatstanding - 22 Apr 2006 08:38 GMT
>> Are people discussing cats at this time of the night?
>>
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>
>-L.

Um this post is 24 hrs old. But no probs. Child free? Is that
possible? Pleze explain.

DS What? Yer husband?

Anyway, I'm tired and sleepy, hope ya don't mind but I hace to go. I
love ya though. Pleze write again.
-L. - 22 Apr 2006 10:07 GMT
> Um this post is 24 hrs old. But no probs. Child free? Is that
> possible? Pleze explain.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Anyway, I'm tired and sleepy, hope ya don't mind but I hace to go. I
> love ya though. Pleze write again.

Are you Barry's retarded cousin or something?

-L.
J.T. - 22 Apr 2006 12:16 GMT
> Are you Barry's retarded cousin or something?

omg
-L. - 21 Apr 2006 05:15 GMT
> You might want to get this one for a 22 pounder:
> http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litter_box-dog-2.jpg   28"x
> 22" x 9". Plenty of room to move around and the sides are 9" high. It comes
> with a 2" slide for the entrance to make it higher if you want.
>
> Phil

Thanks.  Man, you're da bomb when it comes to big litter pans!
-L.
Phil P. - 21 Apr 2006 06:23 GMT
> > You might want to get this one for a 22 pounder:
> > http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/litter_box-dog-2.jpg   28"x
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks.  Man, you're da bomb when it comes to big litter pans!
> -L.

If you like those, you'll love these- you'll just have to cut one side down
a little to make entry a little easier for and older cat.

http://maxshouse.com/misc/mixing_tubs.jpg

http://maxshouse.com/Environmental_Enrichment/second_nature_litterboxes_dogs.jpg

Phil
-L. - 21 Apr 2006 07:53 GMT
> If you like those, you'll love these- you'll just have to cut one side down
> a little to make entry a little easier for and older cat.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Phil

Great prices on the first set!

Why would anyone litter train a dog?  That makes absolutley no sense.

-L.
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2006 03:44 GMT
> Thanks for the rec.  I get tired of sweeping up the litter too- Pee
> digs to China when he goes.  One other thing Peewee does is he will
> stand with all 4 paws on the corner of the box (all 22 lbs of him) to
> poop.  So it has to be a box that isn't easily tipped over - this one
> looks like it might still be ok.
> -L.

Sounds as though he would be a superb candidate for toilet training
since he has the paw thing down already. Just make sure he does not
fall in. You might want to try the saran wrap thing until he gets the
idea and provides a safety net. Discuss it with him and see if he likes
the new challenge. I doubt he can tip over a toilet that is bolted down.
cybercat - 19 Apr 2006 15:42 GMT
> Every year I completely replace my litter pans - just toss out the old
> ones and start fresh.  Last night I went out and plunked down $8.99
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> -L.

Maybe they wanted to mark it, didn't like the smell of the cleaner?
Rhonda - 19 Apr 2006 17:35 GMT
>>I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it is
>>commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new color of the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Maybe they wanted to mark it, didn't like the smell of the cleaner?

That's what I was thinking too!

Rhonda
Brandy Alexandre - 19 Apr 2006 18:07 GMT
Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in
rec.pets.cats.health+behav:

>>>I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it
>>>is commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Rhonda

Same here.  Cats like the smell of home and the familiar.  I don't see
why a litter pan that is regularly cleaned (with baking soda and the
garden hose) has to be replaced at all.  But, the chances of the butt
over the side is why Kami has a covered box.

Signature

Brandy Alexandre

-- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^=

-L. - 20 Apr 2006 05:31 GMT
> Same here.  Cats like the smell of home and the familiar.  I don't see
> why a litter pan that is regularly cleaned (with baking soda and the
> garden hose) has to be replaced at all.

Because over time, all plastics absorb odors, especially odors
orginating from fats (poop).  Eventually you cannot wash the smell away
completely.  More often than not, when I have counseled people who's
cats have started peeing inappropriately with no known cause, and I
suggest they get a new box, the problem goes away.

Smell a new box and compare it to a box that has been used for a year
or two and is freshly cleaned.  The reason is obvious.

-L.
J.T. - 20 Apr 2006 12:53 GMT
> Because over time, all plastics absorb odors, especially odors
> orginating from fats (poop).

very good point

I've been using a deep plastic storage container/tub - its about 2 feet
tall.
I cut a 1" x 10" notch down the side, they still track litter onto the
floor,  it holds 2 normal size bags of litter.
-L. - 20 Apr 2006 05:27 GMT
> Maybe they wanted to mark it, didn't like the smell of the cleaner?

If that were the case, I'd think they'd just pee on the floor or a
place more obvious - and I use the same cleaners every week, so I think
they are pretty used to them by now...  This seemed to be just a
"missed" pee over the side, which happens every now and then with these
goofs (once every 2-3 months or so).  I have had them both checked for
UTIs and they always come back negative - it seems to be just somebody
"missing".  I thought it was consistently Mimi (I had seen her do it)
until I SAW Peewee doing it one day.  Little stinkers!

-L.
cybercat - 20 Apr 2006 16:38 GMT
> > Maybe they wanted to mark it, didn't like the smell of the cleaner?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "missing".  I thought it was consistently Mimi (I had seen her do it)
> until I SAW Peewee doing it one day.  Little stinkers!

I see. I guess you might have to do the "box within a box on a mat"
kind of thing, though it might be easier to just clean up the floor!
Good luck.
lastcatstanding - 20 Apr 2006 19:22 GMT
>> > Maybe they wanted to mark it, didn't like the smell of the cleaner?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>kind of thing, though it might be easier to just clean up the floor!
>Good luck.

Box? < grabs broom >

Yer supposed to use a box?
J.T. - 19 Apr 2006 16:21 GMT
> I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it is
> commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new color of the
> litter pans....
>
> -L.

Chi dà una merda?
lastcatstanding - 19 Apr 2006 18:39 GMT
>> I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it is
>> commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new color of the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Chi dà una merda?

You must.
-L. - 20 Apr 2006 05:47 GMT
> > I don't know who the culprit is today, but I am wondering if it is
> > commentary on my cleaning prowess or commentary on the new color of the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Chi dà una merda?

You know you love me, Bar.
xoxox,

-L.
Spot - 20 Apr 2006 01:01 GMT
I fixed this issue by placing my litter box inside of huge old dog crate.
This way when they miss the crate below catches it and I just take it
outside and scrub it out as needed.

Celeste

> Every year I completely replace my litter pans - just toss out the old
> ones and start fresh.  Last night I went out and plunked down $8.99
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> -L.
furmanthecat - 20 Apr 2006 05:29 GMT
Do you put paper towels down every time you clean the boxes, or was it
just that time? If it was just that once, maybe they thought the paper
towel looked like a nice place to pee?  I once put a wee wee mat (the
kind for a small dog) under my litter box, and they urinated on it, and
they kept going back to dig and "bury" it with imaginary litter:)
> Every year I completely replace my litter pans - just toss out the old
> ones and start fresh.  Last night I went out and plunked down $8.99
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> -L.
-L. - 20 Apr 2006 05:33 GMT
> Do you put paper towels down every time you clean the boxes, or was it
> just that time? If it was just that once, maybe they thought the paper
> towel looked like a nice place to pee?

Paper towels down is SOP here, but they were a new brand of towel -
that's a good thought!

> I once put a wee wee mat (the
> kind for a small dog) under my litter box, and they urinated on it, and
> they kept going back to dig and "bury" it with imaginary litter:)

I think wee wee pads are scented to encourage soiling, if it's the type
I am thinking of.

-L.
 
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