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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2004Purina Indoor Cat Formula?
Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other nutrients and helping them to lose weight and such? We bought a small bag of it today to try it out but thought I'd check if anyone else had any experience with it. Thanks. > Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ > from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. There is better food available than Purina Cat Chow, and it isn't made by Purina.  Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck I used to buy Purina as an emergency food when the pet store was closed, but since Friskies took them over, I wouldn't feed it to strays. Any food with soybean products in it is not worth your money. I checked out the indoor formula when it came out and remember thinking that it was unbelievably crappy (though i don't remember why). Purina is not that much cheaper than, say, Iams which is reasonably acceptable. Some of the larger pet stores have a good selection of affordable premium foods, or you could order online. You seem to be concerned about providing a healthy diet for your kitty, so why not check out your other options. A pretty easy determination of the quality of a food is one that has meat listed as the first ingredient. If your cat needs to lose weight, there are formulas specifically for that, too. And they really do eat less when they eat the better foods since they aren't overcompensating for a lack of protein. > I used to buy Purina as an emergency food when the pet store was closed, but > since Friskies took them over, I wouldn't feed it to strays. Any food with > soybean products in it is not worth your money. Yet the Purina food Cheeks loves has more protein than Iams. Are you saying that this is because it is Soy protein, and that soy protein is inferior to animal protein for cats? The only reason I feed her the Purina One tuna and salmon dry food is because she is such a skinny girl, and this is the only food she gobbles up. Do I need to be worried that I am not feeding her quality food? And what type would you suggest? >>I used to buy Purina as an emergency food when the pet store was > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Yet the Purina food Cheeks loves has more protein than Iams. More protein is not always a good thing because with more protein some other essential ingredient is being displaced. It is about correct formulation, not about more protein. Adult cats only need between 30 - 45% protein. AAFCO says a minimum of 26% protein is the minimum required for an adult cat. > Are you saying that this is because it is Soy protein, and that > soy protein is inferior to animal protein for cats? Cats are obligate carnivores, they need protein from meat. That doesn't mean the cannot use protein from a plant source. However they still NEED the meat protein source. > The only reason I feed her the Purina One tuna and salmon > dry food is because she is such a skinny girl, and this is the > only food she gobbles up. Do I need to be worried that > I am not feeding her quality food? And what type would you > suggest? If that is the only food she can and will eat then you are doing the best you can by your cat. A better food won't do any good if she won't consume it. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > More protein is not always a good thing because with more protein some > other essential ingredient is being displaced. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > best you can by your cat. A better food won't do any good if she won't > consume it. Thank you, Joe. I will try one of the better foods in small quantities and see if she likes any of it. What kind of canned food do you like? > Thank you, Joe. I will try one of the better foods in small > quantities and see if she likes any of it. What kind of canned > food do you like? I personally found that felidae is a high quality highly palatable food.. its a little on the expensive side.. but its made with human grade ingredience. >From: "~*Connie*~" no@spam.com >I personally found that felidae is a high quality highly palatable food.. >its a little on the expensive side.. but its made with human grade >ingredience. The term "human grade" doesn't have an official definition. Anybody can call themselves "human grade". Regardless of the quality of an individual ingredient, once it enters a pet food manufacturing plant, it can no longer legally be called, "human grade". That's simply the latest marketing buzzword. >>More protein is not always a good thing because with more protein > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > quantities and see if she likes any of it. What kind of canned > food do you like? I don't like canned food much. :-) My cats enjoy Science Diet, California Natural, Wellness. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > I don't like canned food much. :-) So you have tried it? ;') > My cats enjoy Science Diet, California Natural, Wellness. I'll have to go have a look. Ours love Friskies (yes, I know, bad bad bad) but will only eat the "chopped grill" variety. Little ingrates. > > I don't like canned food much. :-) > > So you have tried it? ;') Cody *hates* canned food. He usually takes one bite and walks away. Midnight, on the other hand, will eat almost anything. He's so thankful to have regular meals - when he was living outside, he usually killed snakes, lizards, and mice. Signaturemike3k <at> suespammers <dot> org You can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire. Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher. - Peter Gabriel, "Biko" >> Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ >> from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >There is better food available than Purina Cat Chow, and it isn't made >by Purina. Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? >From: whayface whayface48604@yahoo.junk.com >>> Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by >Purina? How does it differ [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/catfoodindex.htm Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >From: whayface whayface48604@yahoo.junk.com >Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? www.naturesvariety.com http://cats.about.com/cs/catfood/a/catfoodindex.htm Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm > >There is better food available than Purina Cat Chow, and it isn't made > >by Purina. > > Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? All you have to do is go to any PetSmart and see what "top of the line" foods they have to see what is considered better than Purina. Or, see what your vet is selling. I used to feed Science Diet because it was what my vet sold. Methinks we are skirting the dangerous territory of the Food War Zone. ;) >>>Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ >>>from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? I suspect you've been around the feline newsgroups long enough to have seen some of the food discussions here. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck > >> Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ > >> from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Like what pray tell ?!?!?!? Wellness, Wysong, Nature's Recipe, Science Diet, Royal Canin, Chicken Soup, Nutro, Natural Choice, Petreet, Felidae, Pet Guard. To name a few. > Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by Purina? How does it differ > from their normal Cat Chow? Is it really good for indoor cats by providing them with other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Im aware of a number of cats who could not tolerate the food and would vomit it often. How it is different? Im not exactly sure, I tried to see when it first came out, and the most descriptive thing they said was there were "greens" in it.. > Anyone know anything about the new Indoor Cat formula that's put out by > Purina? How does it differ [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Thanks. Cody & Midnight both love it - it's now their favorite food. Midnight was a former outdoor cat before I adopted him. Signaturemike3k <at> suespammers <dot> org You can blow out a candle, but you can't blow out a fire. Once the flame begins to catch, the wind will blow it higher. - Peter Gabriel, "Biko" >>Yet the Purina food Cheeks loves has more protein than Iams. Are you saying that this is because it is Soy protein, and that soy protein is inferior to animal protein for cats?>> Cheaper foods used to use soy to up to protein numbers on their products. Most of them have stopped that practice, but leave it to Friskies/Purina to revive it. Plant sources of protein are harder for a cat to use, but are MUCH cheaper to produce. >>The only reason I feed her the Purina One tuna and salmon dry food is because she is such a skinny girl, and this is the only food she gobbles up. Do I need to be worried that I am not feeding her quality food? And what type would you suggest? If she is a skinny girl (I have a boy like that--light as a feather), yeah, you probably should take extra care in picking out her food. A high fat (18-22%), high protein (32-36%) food would be good for her. I feed my skinnier cats a premium kitten food (Eagle Pack) and they do very well on it and seem to like it a lot. I'm not sure if this is available in your area, though. Iams kitten is pretty decent--it's my backup food. It's easy to find. Eukanuba is good too, as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid (for various reasons--please feel free to email me if you're interested) are Science Diet and Nutro. A pretty good "canned" food is the Nutro Natural Choice pouches (Kitten formula). Even my most finicky cat loves these, so I think yours will too. I think it's great that you are so genuinely concerned about what you feed your cat. (Also, if you have had a problem with fleas, your cat could possibly have tapeworms, which would keep her skinny no matter what she ate.) > as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid (for > various reasons--please feel free to email me if you're interested) are Science > Diet and Nutro. You cannot make public statements about foods to avoid in one breathe and then with the next only offer to elaborate on YOUR reasons why in private... this is how false information is spread around. Here is your opportunity to express your opinion of why you think these foods should be avoided. I already know the reasons about Nutro, most interested in hearing about SD though. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >> as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid >(for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You cannot make public statements about foods to avoid Actually, yes I can. It's a free newsgroup. >in one breathe >and then with the next only offer to elaborate on YOUR reasons why in >private... this is how false information is spread around. They are MY reasons, and they are from personal experience and opinion (and last time I checked I was allowed to have one). And if I were in the mood and had the time for an extended newsgroup argument, I would post my reasons and happily have at defending them, but since I don't... Oh, and BTW, I would venture to guess that most false information is spread by people doing PR of some sort, not people offering sincere advice to people who asked for it. >Here is your opportunity to express your opinion of why you think these >foods should be avoided. I already know the reasons about Nutro, most >interested in hearing about SD though. Ok, here's a big one. The last time I tried it (had a coupon), two of my cats barfed it up. One, repeatedly. >From: scruffy892@aol.com (Scruffy892) >>Here is your opportunity to express your opinion of why you think these >>foods should be avoided. I already know the reasons about Nutro, most [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >cats >barfed it up. One, repeatedly. Some cats will do that when a food change is made--sometimes it's due to the kibble size and shape being different from what the cat is used to. >>> as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid >>(for >>> various reasons--please feel free to email me if you're interested) are >>Science >>> Diet and Nutro. You said "various" reasons, yet only gave one. >>>as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Actually, yes I can. It's a free newsgroup. You've commented on PART of a statement I made... thus out of context. >>in one breathe >>and then with the next only offer to elaborate on YOUR reasons why in [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > venture to guess that most false information is spread by people doing PR of > some sort, not people offering sincere advice to people who asked for it. The problem is, your sincere advice is based on your experience with your cat(s) only. See more below... >>Here is your opportunity to express your opinion of why you think these >>foods should be avoided. I already know the reasons about Nutro, most >>interested in hearing about SD though. > > Ok, here's a big one. The last time I tried it (had a coupon), two of my cats > barfed it up. One, repeatedly. Thank you for that. Now you do realize that a food that won't work with one or two or even several cat(s), may work wonders with a multitude of others? Yours is but one experience to report. There is no one set food that works best with all of them. I'm not berating you for having an opinion and your experience to share, but rather for making sweeping generalized statements about a food with no elaboration on YOUR reasons why those foods are bad. We also don't know the conditions under which you tested those foods? Did you make the switch gradually? Did the cats actually enjoy the food so much better than their previous chow that they inhaled the stuff... fast eating can cause barfing. There is so much we don't know from a statement such as this... "Brand X is a bad food."... with no elaboration. And elaboration can give such statements credibility. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >I'm not berating you for having an opinion and your experience to share, >but rather for making sweeping generalized statements about a food with >no elaboration on YOUR reasons why those foods are bad. Ok, here is my "sweeping generalized statement": " Foods that I personally avoid (for various reasons--please feel free to email me if you're interested) are Science Diet and Nutro. " Phrase to take note of: "Foods that I PERSONALLY AVOID" This statement was in reply to a single person who had asked a question. I offered to elaborate in private because a) I didn't know if she was interested in further information, b) I have some personal preferences about cat food ingredients which I never assume are relevant to other people, and c) since I only visit this newsgroup every couple of weeks, I wanted to avoid being drawn into an argument that I don't really have time to do justice. But, alas, here I am. In spite of my phrasing my personal preferences in the most personal terms possible, you managed to take it as a broad, sweeping attack on Science Diet. (And yet, you weren't nearly as defensive of my mention of Nutro.) I'm sorry that my cats and I don't like this food more, but please don't be so easily offended. Life is short--why should you care so much about what one person thinks of Science Diet cat food? >We also don't know the conditions under which you tested those foods? The usual ones. Though I don't set up scientifically controlled studies every time I feed my cats, there was nothing noticably different about this feeding. >Did you make the switch gradually? No, I never do. I have never had to. I feed three to four different brands depending on what's on sale. This is the first one they have barfed up. In fact, the only time they ever barf is the occasional hairball or big piece of grass. Never food. Maybe if I had switched gradually, they might not have barfed it up, but I personally appreciate this obvious sign that it might not agree with them, rather than more insidious ones. Did the cats actually enjoy the food >so much better than their previous chow that they inhaled the stuff... >fast eating can cause barfing. Nope, it seemed to be about average as far as taste. And I do notice these things for future reference. If they had been more enthusiastic than usual, I would have been impressed by it. >There is so much we don't know from a statement such as this... "Brand X >is a bad food."... with no elaboration. And elaboration can give such >statements credibility. But I didn't make such a statement, and therefore can't be expected to elaborate on it... If you mean to challenge my credibilty on the statement that I actually made, then I'm not sure how to convince you that I truly DO avoid Science Diet and Nutro. Should I have saved all those receipts from the pet store? >From: scruffy892@aol.com (Scruffy892) >But, alas, here I am. In spite of my phrasing my personal preferences in the >most personal terms possible, you managed to take it as a broad, sweeping [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >much >about what one person thinks of Science Diet cat food? Well....I voiced my experience with Science Diet and never heard the end of it. It's amazing there are a few who will go to the mat for this food while claiming not to work for the company, or then there is the one who does work for the company, claims his opinions are not biased, LOL. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >Subject: Re: Purina Indoor Cat Formula? >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >Well....I voiced my experience with Science Diet and never heard the end of >it. > It's amazing there are a few who will go to the mat for this food while >claiming not to work for the company, or then there is the one who does work >for the company, claims his opinions are not biased, LOL. You "never heard the end of it", because you continually changed your story and were called on the carpet for it....not to mention your numerous attacks on the company. You were asked to back up the statements you were making and were never able to do so. That's all. >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >>From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >company. You were asked to back up the statements you were making and were >never able to do so. That's all. No, you were the one that had the problem comprehending what I said. You were the one that was rabid that someone's cats did so crappy on that food. Face the facts, Science Diet doesn't work for everyone, and IMO it's a crappy food. As far as backing up my statements, I quoted from my deceased cat's medical records, but even that wasn't good enough for you. You just troll these boards until you find a post about Scie Die and then you flip out. You're just plain nuts. Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >No, you were the one that had the problem comprehending what I said. You >were [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >plain >nuts. Another round of lies from you. I remember what happened and in what order. Interestingly enough, after Phil P went back and reposted YOUR OWN posts showing you to be making things up as you went along, you now think I'm the one that did all that. You consistently forget (or ignore) that I mentioned to you on 2 different occasions that not every cat will like Science Diet and I believed you when you stated that that was the case w/ your cats. Unfortunately, you then went on to conjure up a bunch of lies. You've been caught in enough lies that I just don't trust anything you say anymore. You have been shown to have a pathological hatred against Hill's. You need to take responsibility for your OWN posts. Instead you blame others for your own posts. >From: gaubster2@aol.com (GAUBSTER2) >Another round of lies from you. I remember what happened and in what order. >Interestingly enough, after Phil P went back and reposted YOUR OWN posts >showing you to be making things up as you went along, No, you and he misinterpretted what I said, which has been proven here countless times. I really don't have the time or desire to get into another flame war with you, and I'm sure the other posters in this newsgroup don't want to read the useless posts you make. You've been a proven troll in this newsgroup and the dog newsgroups since you started posting. You are the one who is pathological, not me. I see you still have no life, and I see you're still obsessed with me, LOL ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm >From: darnit7@aol.comnolitter (PawsForThought) >No, you and he misinterpretted what I said, which has been proven here >countless times. No, you're OWN posts directly contradicted each other. What would you "intrepret" from that? >You've been a proven troll in this >newsgroup and the dog newsgroups since you started posting. Again, when you can't back up your lies with facts, you resort to name-calling. You've constantly labelled others whom you don't agree with as "trolls". AND you lied about me on the issue of declawing. That WAS behavior worthy of the label, "troll". AND you tell other posters to, (and I quote) "eat sh.t". Yep, sounds like you're the troll! > I see you still have no life, and I see you're >still obsessed with me, LOL Nope, just correcting the record. >>From: scruffy892@aol.com (Scruffy892) > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > claiming not to work for the company, or then there is the one who does work > for the company, claims his opinions are not biased, LOL. Lauren... for the record I don't work for anyone (or consult). Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >From: Joe Canuck Joe_Canuck@Canada.ca >Lauren... for the record I don't work for anyone (or consult). I didn't think you did, Joe :) Lauren ________ See my cats: http://community.webshots.com/album/56955940rWhxAe Raw Diet Info: http://www.holisticat.com/drjletter.html http://www.geocities.com/rawfeeders/ForCatsOnly.html Declawing Info: http://www.wholecat.com/articles/claws.htm <snip> > please don't be so easily offended. Life is short--why should you care so much > about what one person thinks of Science Diet cat food? Bottom line is that I don't. :-) Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck "Scruffy892" <scruffy892@aol.com> > If she is a skinny girl (I have a boy like that--light as a feather), yeah, you > probably should take extra care in picking out her food. A high fat (18-22%), [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cat. (Also, if you have had a problem with fleas, your cat could possibly have > tapeworms, which would keep her skinny no matter what she ate.) Thanks a lot for taking the time to post this detailed information. I imagine I can start out at PetSmart and then maybe get better deals from online suppliers? The reason I want to take very special care is that this cat is the sweetest I have ever known, and has allergies and asthma that I think kept her from growing as a kitten. It's a totally different ballgame than my last cat who was mean as a snake, bulletproof, and lived to be 20. (I really really loved her, too, though, and she lived on Science Diet dry for most of her life.) It would just be the story of my life if this sweet kitty did not live long while the one that treated me like I was something she just left in her cat box lived forever to torment me! ;) *Knocking on wood.* > as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid (for > various reasons--please feel free to email me if you're interested) are Science > Diet and Nutro. Folks, take the above statement with a very large grain of salt if this person does not want those "reasons" subjected to public scrutiny. Signature"Its the bugs that keep it running." -Joe Canuck >> as well as some that others have mentioned. Foods that I personally avoid >(for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Folks, take the above statement with a very large grain of salt if this >person does not want those "reasons" subjected to public scrutiny. Now, this isn't very nice. I can assure you (and Folks) that I do indeed "personally avoid" Science Diet and Nutro. Ok, maybe I was tempted by a $5 Science Diet coupon once, but I learned my lesson. Haven't gone near the stuff since. I'm not sure how to prove that I don't buy these brands but, I mean really, why would I lie? As for the other part of my statement, I'm not sure how to prove that my reasons are "various". It's kind of a subjective term. I take it to mean "several" and/or "diverse". Of course, I could list my reasons and let you decide if there are enough of them, and if they are diverse enough to be considered "various", but I generally don't respond to such ridiculously amateurish call-outs. (You know, some subtlety might make you seem less, oh... Science-Diet-employee-of-the-month-ish.) And as for fearing public scrutiny for anything I say, I just dissed Michelle Kwan on a figure skating board. Believe me, a Science Diet PR guy seems tame once you've incurred the wrath of a gaggle of riled up figure skating hags. |
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