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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / April 2006Phosphorus Binders
I had Kami's blood checked yesterday and Dr. Tina called this afternoon with results. She wants to start Kami on a phos binder, and this one will be a liquid. I was wondering what anyone else's experience with this is. Apparently her Creat and BUN shot up, too (5.4 and 100 respectively), probably because she's eating Fancy Feast. Next we'll need some WD-40 and duct tape.  SignatureBrandy Alexandre -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >will be a liquid. I was wondering what anyone else's experience with >this is. Apparently her Creat and BUN shot up, too (5.4 and 100 Poor Kami. I know you said she doesn't like the canned k/d. Have you tried Royal Canin-IVD Modified Protein canned? It's really high in fat (58.8 DMB with 264 calories per can while k/d with chicken is 27% DMB and 183 calories) so she might like that. There's Purina CNM too but don't know the fat and calories. Also, have you tried this group? They all have cats with crf in different stages, it's supposed to be really good and helpful: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Anna via CatKB.com <u18214@uwe> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>will be a liquid. I was wondering what anyone else's experience >>with this is. Apparently her Creat and BUN shot up, too (5.4 and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > different stages, it's supposed to be really good and helpful: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >I had Kami's blood checked yesterday and Dr. Tina called this afternoon >with results. She wants to start Kami on a phos binder, and this one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Next we'll need some WD-40 and duct tape. Go with Crisco... WD-40 is toxic. Good luck. Charlie Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>I had Kami's blood checked yesterday and Dr. Tina called this >>afternoon with results. She wants to start Kami on a phos binder, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Charlie Okay, first dose resulted in a poo explosion. :( I love my SpotBot. SignatureBrandy Alexandre -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Okay, first dose resulted in a poo explosion. :( I love my SpotBot. It would have been a lot worse without the duct tape. Charlie Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >>rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Charlie LOL! I think some twine might be in order, too. It was quite gross, actually. She had gone in her box, but it apparently got on her tail and ran down. As she walked around and the poo weighed down her tail, it was rather like a fountain pen drawing lines around the house. SignatureBrandy Alexandre -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >>rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Charlie I emailed Dr. Tina about this and mentioned that if our time is just battles to medicate and angry cat for the rest of the evening, what relationship am I trying to preserve? It's no quality of life it we only fight every day. She said: "The binders work well even when the cats graze because they are so thick and stay in the intestins for some time. Most of my patients take this twice daily but I wanted to minimize the battles and Kami's values are just starting to spike. The hard part about where she is at in her kidney disease is that she feels bad not only because the toxins (bun, creatinine) are building up but also because of secondary changes such as the elevated phos and calcium. To address one without the other will not help. I have a cat [with a personality] much like Kami and I can only imagine the battle to medicate and give fluids. I agree with you that sometimes the treatment creates a poor quality of life. If you battle everyday it might be time to consider giving in to the disease. It would break my heart to have my own cat angry with me everyday for forcing these treatments. Just let me know what you think and what you are feeling and I will help. Dr.T" What do you think? SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >What do you think? From what I read here, the phos binders are a partial solution, not a complete solution. The renal failure is continuing, and other toxins are building up in her system. Do I understand that much correctly? If I do, then my inclination is to say, don't force Kami to endure treatments that do not really correct the underlying problem or wholly relieve its symptoms, especially if these treatments involve a lot of stress for her. Many people, including myself, have living wills that preclude the use of science at the point where science can only prolong the process of dying, rather than restoring health. Death with dignity is the catch-phrase for this. Kami is an old cat. If suffering for a brief time will do something to restore her health, so she can be active and happy, then it's worthwhile. If not, her dignity and comfort are the most relevant concerns, in my opinion. Charlie >> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >> rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Charlie I wonder if Brandy obtained "Dr. Tina's" permission to reproduce her email advice here? I wonder how "Dr. Tina" would feel if she knew her emails were being broadcasted on the newsgroups? I wonder if she would continue to offer the email advice so freely if she knew this was happening? Funny thing about email, some people are under the perception that it is a private communication between themselves and the receiving party... but it really isn't. Most folks will respect this so called unwritten rule of email privacy, and then there are others without morals or ethics that don't. >>> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >>> rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >Most folks will respect this so called unwritten rule of email privacy, >and then there are others without morals or ethics that don't. Better write it down so everyone knows it's a rule, Joe. You've got nothing better to do. Charlie Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>>> Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >>>> rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > Charlie Joe doesn't know what he's talking about. Copyright belongs to the recipient. Besides, she knows I participate in a message board and I share. I haven't revealed her identity, so there's no claims to either side anyway. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Copyright belongs to the recipient It's the other way around. http://www.piercelaw.edu/tfield/copynet.htm You may at best get by with "fair use". -mhd <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>Copyright belongs to the recipient > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -mhd "All the e-mail written is copyrighted, but it is not 'secret,' unless previously agreed on. So you can certainly post on what e-mail says and even quote parts of it to demonstrate content. Somebody who sues over an ordinary e-mail message would surely receive no damages because it has zero commercial value. If you want to stay strictly in finest point of the law you should ask first. On the other hand, don't go nuts if somebody posts e-mail you sent them. If it was an ordinary non-secret personal letter of minimal commercial value with no copyright notice (like 99.99999999% of all e-mail), you probably wouldn't win anything but satisfaction. Also remember that, the law aside, keeping private correspondence private is a courtesy." -- Copyright attorney and former co-worker SignatureBrandy Alexandre -- Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= <snip> > Also remember that, the law aside, keeping private > correspondence private is a courtesy." <snip> *That* is exactly what I'm talking about. > <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >-- Copyright attorney and former co-worker Ask him to back this claim. >>>Copyright belongs to the recipient -mhd <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in >>rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > -mhd Don't have to. He doesn't have to google his responses, nor does he rely on what he finds on web sites. He's taken the companies intellectual properties through quite a lot, so I know he knows a LOT more than the anonymous wannabes here. That's all that matters to me. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= > <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >intellectual properties through quite a lot, so I know he knows a LOT >more than the anonymous wannabes here. That's all that matters to me. As a practical matter, this is a dead end, but it's an interesting theoretical question. Suppose, for example, you correspond with someone who later becomes famous. You've got a bunch of emails from that person on your hard drive, and you take them to a publisher. Let's assume the emails are all about some technical subject, so privacy concerns don't enter the equation. Can the publisher buy them from you without considering the author? And what if the author kept file copies of emails sent to you, and then took them to a publisher himself. Would he need to consider your rights, as the email recipient, prior to publication? I don't know the answer to these questions, but common sense tells me they are not relevant in this situation. In this case, it's a matter of judgement. Did you compromise the vet's trust in you? Did you reveal something the vet would prefer to keep private between you and her? If the answer to these questions is "no," then I can't see that anyone else has a reason to complain. But, this group has a number of obsessive complainers, and they don't need reasons. Charlie >> <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in >> rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > -mhd This is total nonsense since Brandy can put anything she wants in quotes and claim it comes from an "expert". Perhaps I should get my psychologist friend to have a look at a few of her posts and post an opinion about her (Brandy) character and mental state... through me and anonymously of course. :-D Now that might make for some rather interesting reading. > Now that might make for some rather interesting reading. if your quack friend will be honest all he will find is a hard working woman who don't give 2 f***s about what anyone thinks of her. otherwise he would shrivel like you, and her confidence would instill a little malice in him too and! she can hit with the best of them intellectually, although as a course of life she is probably very down to earth - does not come off like an intellectual... feels no need to present herself this way what else you got NEXT > X-No-Archive: Yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > course of life she is probably very down to earth - does not come off > like an intellectual... feels no need to present herself this way This is so sweet. And so true. Brandy sounds like just the sort of woman you would admire. There's nothing I like better than to see two people enjoying one another's finer qualities. > This is so sweet. And so true. Brandy sounds like just the sort of woman you > would admire. > > There's nothing I like better than to see two people enjoying one another's > finer qualities. Honey! but she makes her cat crispy cheese! > X-No-Archive: Yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > NEXT Next? Well, I suggest you send Brandy an email and ask her out... or start a long distance relationship. You do seem somewhat enthralled with her. I have no problem with that, in fact you have my blessings... not that you need that. > > X-No-Archive: Yes > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Well, I suggest you send Brandy an email and ask her out... or start a > long distance relationship. I would have to agree. I mean, "best of all, she does not come off like an intellectual." That ought to be all Barry needs, now that he's seen her films. >>> -- Copyright attorney and former co-worker >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >This is total nonsense since Brandy can put anything she wants in quotes >and claim it comes from an "expert". Brandy made the claim that Copyright belongs to the recipient and then quotes some lawyer who says nothing of the sort in the quote. I asked that she gets him to state that specifically "Copyright belongs to the recipient" and she spins or misinterprets it to mean I need him cite his sources. Copyright never belongs to the recipient. However the sender does need to take certain measures to enforce his copyright. Still doesn't grant the recipient the copyright however. -mhd > Joe Canuck <Joe.Canuck@-remove-gmail.com: > Brandy made the claim that Copyright belongs to the recipient and then > quotes some lawyer who says nothing of the sort in the quote. > > I asked that she gets him to state that specifically "Copyright > belongs to the recipient" and she spins or misinterprets it to mean I > need him cite his sources. This is the kind of crap she does that gets on my nerves. Distractionary tactics are the last refuge of the intellectually inadequate. >>>> -- Copyright attorney and former co-worker >>> Ask him to back this claim. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -mhd You got it. > You got it. nobody better lay a finger on my butterfinger >X-No-Archive: Yes > >> You got it. > >nobody better lay a finger on my butterfinger I hope it just looks like peanut butter. -mhd >> <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in >>>>Copyright belongs to the recipient >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Ask him to back this claim. >>>>Copyright belongs to the recipient That wasn't his claim. According to the quote, she already relented on that point. Her quote basically agrees with the information you provided a link to. http://www.piercelaw.edu/tfield/copynet.htm "Something as straight-forward as "Please do not forward this message without permission" should be legally adequate..." If the author isn't providing an indication that she doesn't want her e-mail rebroadcast, she probably isn't in the business of making money off of e-mail and it doesn't matter. The issue is silly IMO. John Doe <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>> <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > The issue is silly IMO. Indeed it is. These guys will do anything to throw a subject off topic so no one can get the responses they're looking for. Note that they had nothing to say about this or the other subjects where I posted the emails, just harping on the fact that they *were* emails. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Indeed it is. These guys will do anything to throw a subject off >topic so no one can get the responses they're looking for. Note >that they had nothing to say about this or the other subjects where >I posted the emails, just harping on the fact that they *were* >emails. I'm not harping on what you did with the email - just your claim who owns the copyright. Its a nitpick in terms of the original thread but in a discussion of copyright it needed to be corrected. -mhd >> Indeed it is. These guys will do anything to throw a subject off >> topic so no one can get the responses they're looking for. Note >> that they had nothing to say about this or the other subjects where >> I posted the emails, just harping on the fact that they *were* >> emails. "These guys"??? "they're"??? Just a bit paranoid are you? It was just me commenting on your making public a private email... unless you are seeing double again. > I'm not harping on what you did with the email - just your claim who > owns the copyright. Its a nitpick in terms of the original thread but > in a discussion of copyright it needed to be corrected. > > -mhd >>> <hamandcheese@betweentheknees.com> wrote in > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > The issue is silly IMO. ...and everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion. I won't argue with you about your opinion. The basis of mine is the lack of common courtesy and respect that Brandy has show by posting the contents of email here on Usenet. >>>>>Copyright belongs to the recipient > >That wasn't his claim. According to the quote, she already relented >on that point. Her quote basically agrees with the information you >provided a link to. Of course it wasn't. That was my point and did not see a reversal on that statement. -mhd Troll Se also: wannabe script kiddy UTBill 69.153.51.108 abuse@prodigy.net IP address: 69.153.51.108 Host name: adsl-69-153-51-108.dsl.snantx.swbell.net 23 14 Universal City, TX, US 23 14 Converse, TX, US 24 15 Macdona, TX, US 27 16 Von Ormy, TX, US 27 16 Adkins, TX, US 27 16 Schertz, TX, US 28 17 Elmendorf, TX, US 30 18 Helotes, TX, US 30 18 Atascosa, TX, US 30 18 Saint Hedwig, TX, US 31 19 Cibolo, TX, US 32 20 Somerset, TX, US Retrieving DNS records for adsl-69-153-51-108.dsl.snantx.swbell.net... 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One thing is clear, you certainly don't know what I'm talking about. > Copyright belongs to the recipient. I'm not talking about copyright. Email is essentially a person-to-person communication. The relationship is one-to-one, not one-to-many. Each party has the expectation (of privacy) that the email will be a one-to-one communication although in reality it really isn't. The best analogy is that email is similar to a postcard, anyone between the sender and receiver can read it. Although I expect most system administrators have better things to do than read the email that passes through their systems. > Besides, she knows I participate in a message board and > I share. I noticed you didn't answer any of the questions. I'm certain you would have had those answers been favorable to you. Most vets realize pet owners share information obtain from a vet with others so you are not telling us anything new with your comment above. Your comment also doesn't say she specifically knows you are posting her comments here word-for-word. There is a difference between that and paraphrasing the advice she may have given you. > I haven't revealed her identity, so there's no claims to > either side anyway. So, for all we know this text you post in quotes could be something you've made up on your own. The real reason you are not posting her identity has more to do with protecting yourself, which is fine, since revealing the name of the vet would create a trail back to you. I would never post verbatim any email communication I receive from my vet to a publically available newgroup or forum of any kind. Why? Because I feel that I would be violating the trust in the relationship between the vet and myself and that vet could just as easily tell me to get lost if I'm not going to respect privacy. > I would never post verbatim any email communication I receive from my > vet to a publically available newgroup or forum of any kind. > > Why? Because I feel that I would be violating the trust in the > relationship between the vet and myself and that vet could just as > easily tell me to get lost if I'm not going to respect privacy. I think that may violate what a doctor is theoretically supposed to be. The word doctor originally meant teacher. If the information is about technical issues and not the color of the doctor's underwear, I don't see any problem. Most doctors don't want to take the time to thoroughly explain matters, regardless of the type of doctor, vet, do, od, md, blah blah blah. In any case, if the person said the email was only for private, then that's one issue. Usually privacy is for the client's end, not the doctor who is held to public scrutiny and standards. >Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 100 lines] >I share. I haven't revealed her identity, so there's no claims to >either side anyway. He wants to complain. Nothing is too petty to attract his interest. Charlie Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >>Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >>rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Charlie I've always believed that, too. I know that if I'm not 100% independent, or have no hope of regaining such independence, I want to chuck it all. I don't want to cause Kami stress, either. It might make her feeling better for a while, but she won't understand why I'm doing this to her. I tried to have a chat with her about it and asked what she wanted. To my surprise she got up and walked away... to the food bowl and ate. I'm not sure what she meant by that, but she has been nibbling all evening in spite of having gotten The Dose. But it's not good food and I can't get her to eat the good food, so it's a vicious circle. Someone posted a link once to pictures of their cancer-ridden cat up to and including the day it was put down. The cat looked horrendous and miserable and all I could think was it should have been done long before that point. But how long before? While she's still chipper knowing it won't last? It's tough to say. I'm sure the reident trolls will have plenty to say. It goes without saying that I've checked both my home and work killfiles to make sure we're in sync. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= >Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >plenty to say. It goes without saying that I've checked both my >home and work killfiles to make sure we're in sync. Yeah, some will use the opportunity to take a shot at you. But most people here have had the experience of losing a pet and trying to make the right choices when a pet is in decline. It's miserable. Charlie > Many people, including myself, have living wills that preclude the use > of science at the point where science can only prolong the process of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > happy, then it's worthwhile. If not, her dignity and comfort are the > most relevant concerns, in my opinion. I agree say, what about those animal cloning facilities, what do you think of those or do you think there is not enough experience at large with this practice. I don't see how a new born cat (that merely looks like the former cat) would have the same engrained experiences, so it's not the same animal. Memory in animals or people is engrained on living cells...when those cells start to fade so does the impression on those cells, sort of like the waves coming onto the shore...taking out sand castles and footprints. And that's the way it was, Thursay April 6, 2006 Im Freight Train Jones... goodnight. >> Many people, including myself, have living wills that preclude the use >> of science at the point where science can only prolong the process of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >or do you think there is not enough experience at large with this >practice. The cloned animals tend to have health problems. I don't think it's a good idea at this point in the technology curve. Someday it might be a sound option. Charlie >I don't see how a new born cat (that merely looks like the former cat) >would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >And that's the way it was, Thursay April 6, 2006 >Im Freight Train Jones... goodnight. Freight Train Jones <bigbadbarry@adelphia.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Many people, including myself, have living wills that preclude >> the use of science at the point where science can only prolong [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > And that's the way it was, Thursay April 6, 2006 > Im Freight Train Jones... goodnight. Actually, Barry, the animal won't even look the same. All it will have is the same genetic profile. The profile may have spots, but those spots will not land in the same places. A gene that was recessive may assert itself. It's all pretty much a crap shoot and a crock. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= Brandy, Just a note for the phos binders to work properly they need to be taken along with the food. Celeste >I had Kami's blood checked yesterday and Dr. Tina called this afternoon > with results. She wants to start Kami on a phos binder, and this one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Next we'll need some WD-40 and duct tape. Spot <noSPAMme@somewhere.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Brandy, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Next we'll need some WD-40 and duct tape. I asked about that and the vet said this stays in the intestines a long time. Good for a grazer. SignatureBrandy Alexandre --Everything tastes better with cat hair in it. =^.^= |
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