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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2006Fat cat = animal abuse
Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr The article describes a cat that is between 46 and 50 pounds and "boasts a thickset 33-inch waistline." He eats 30 pounds of food each week! The owner claims that he is healthy, despite remarks that "he's a waddler" and "not much for running." They brush him and have to use baby wipes to clean him because he is so fat that he cannot clean himself. Unfortunately, he is declawed -- and they seem to blame that (and having him "fixed") for his overeating. The reason I am writing is that he is a contender for the world's fattest feline. He is going to be featured on "Ripley's Beliee It or Not," and a video has been sent to "America's Funniest Home Videos" with the hope that he will win the big prize. I consider this to be animal abuse. It is not "funny" or "contest-worthy." I am going to write a message of protest to Ripley's. They should not be glorifying this type of abuse and just plain idiocy. If any of you would like to join me, a message can be sent to this address: ripleystv@sonypictures.com MaryL > Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MaryL When Cosimo was put down he weighed 24lbs. At his prime he was a little over 30lbs. According to the vet, it's all genetic and there isn't anything you can do about it. > > Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > over 30lbs. According to the vet, it's all genetic and there isn't > anything you can do about it. It is not "all" genetic. In questions of "nature or nurture" it is almost always "some of both." You overfed the cat. How old was he when he died? And what did he die of? > > > Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > always "some of both." You overfed the cat. How old was he when > he died? And what did he die of? He was 8 years old. Fed Iams Adult Maturity. All cats in the house free fed so he was no different. He was euthanized due to kidney failure, hepatic lipidosis, diabetes, arthritic, etc. It was thought best by myself and the vet to euthanize him. >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > over 30lbs. According to the vet, it's all genetic and there isn't > anything you can do about it. That doesn't make any more sense than saying that it's "all genetic" when people are fat an there isn't anything we can do about it. That statement is almost always incorrect. It's true that some breeds of cats will weigh more than others (such as a Maine Coon), but the cat in that article is morbidly obese. The fault with that lies with an owner who has not taken proper care of the cat. MaryL > >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > MaryL I'm tired of these 'improper care' nazi's in the group like yourself. He was fed and cared for with regular vet visits, etc. And yes, he was part Main Coon. > > >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > > >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > was fed and cared for with regular vet visits, etc. And yes, he was part > Main Coon. Well, Maine Coons are big. But still, 30 lbs? I had a plain old Orange tiger cat who at his biggest weighed 22lbs. And yes genetics does have something to do with it. He was not overfed he was just a big cat. Even when he was 6 months old my vet took him held him up in the air length wise and her remark to me was "Oh he's going to be a big bruiser of a cat" Meowzer got the best of everything in his life and lived to be 13 years old. Now I'm not saying the the cat it the article hasn't been abused because clearly no cat should ever eat 30 lbs of cat food in a week. I have 3 cats now and on the average we go through a 8lb bag of food in two weeks and that is with the dog stealing the cat food to. Celeste >> > > In article <NcdVf.698$C85.474@dukeread10>, > stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT- [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Well, Maine Coons are big. But still, 30 lbs? >> > > In article <NcdVf.698$C85.474@dukeread10>, >stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT- [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >Well, Maine Coons are big. But still, 30 lbs? http://www.kcking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Articles/fact_file.htm "Maine Coons are record breaking! Verismo's Leonetti Reserve Red is the world's longest cat according to the Guinness Book of Records. Leo weighed in at 35lb and was a record-breaking 48" long from nose to tail. Leo was measured in March 2002 by the Guinness Book of Records vet who stressed that Leo was NOT overweight." Claude > http://www.kcking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Articles/fact_file.htm > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Leo was measured in March 2002 by the Guinness Book of > Records vet who stressed that Leo was NOT overweight." I don't think anyone is arguing that, but from a description of "waddles," "wants to run but can't," etc., it doesn't sound like this is a naturally large cat, just an overfed one.  SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >> http://www.kcking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Articles/fact_file.htm >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >"waddles," "wants to run but can't," etc., it doesn't sound like this is >a naturally large cat, just an overfed one. I think you have Leo confused with the white and black one that was on TV a while back. That one *is* a sad case. I found some pix of Leo. http://www.verismocat.com/htmscripts/leo-guinness.htm Makes Bubba seem tiny at a mere 23Lbs. BTW, The Guiness records for cats are now by length rather than weight to keep the dull-witted from stuffing their unfortunate pets in ill-conceived attempt to get in the book. Claude >>> http://www.kcking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Articles/fact_file.htm >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Claude OMG! That cat is enormous. He's definitely not fat either. Its like owning 3 cats in one. Wonder how much noise he makes running down the hall at night? Very cute pics. I knew Maine Coons could get that big, just never saw one. -- maryjane >>>> http://www.kcking.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Articles/fact_file.htm >>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >-- maryjane There's a bunch of cool pictures on that website. Those people breed some beautiful cats. Claude > >I don't think anyone is arguing that, but from a description of > >"waddles," "wants to run but can't," etc., it doesn't sound like this is > >a naturally large cat, just an overfed one. > > I think you have Leo confused with the white and black one > that was on TV a while back. That one *is* a sad case. Nope, I don't have them confused. They're different colors. > I found some pix of Leo. > > http://www.verismocat.com/htmscripts/leo-guinness.htm Doesn't look like a healthy body condition. And the owner is the one who said he waddles and can't run. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >> >I don't think anyone is arguing that, but from a description of >> >"waddles," "wants to run but can't," etc., it doesn't sound like this is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Doesn't look like a healthy body condition. And the owner is the one who > said he waddles and can't run. No, No No people these are 2 totally different cats. The huge fat cat lives in China. And yes, he's so fat he can't even jump on the bed by himself. The Chinese cat is very obese. Leo is just a real big boy - like many Maine Coon tomcats. Its said that if you want a dog, but your apts won't allow them, buy a Maine Coon - they can get as big as medium size dogs. Maine Coons are also long haired - if you look at the pictures closely half his apparent size is fur. Link to sadly obese cat: http://en.chinabroadcast.cn/974/2006/02/18/63@52329.htm http://keyetv.com/watercooler/local_story_051145935.html --maryjane > news:UlNVf.10685$k75.9894@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > No, No No people these are 2 totally different cats. Except I was never confused and wasn't even thinking of the Chinese cat. I'm not even sure why it came up since no one seems to be confused. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >> news:UlNVf.10685$k75.9894@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Except I was never confused and wasn't even thinking of the Chinese cat. No, you were thinking of Iggy, the Missouri cat, whom you have confused with Leo, the Chicago cat. >I'm not even sure why it came up since no one seems to be confused. Au contraire, madame! You are confused. Charlie >> >I don't think anyone is arguing that, but from a description of >> >"waddles," "wants to run but can't," etc., it doesn't sound like this is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Doesn't look like a healthy body condition. And the owner is the one who >said he waddles and can't run. Well, the breeders and the vet disagree with you... Some of the other Verismo Maine Coons look "large boned" as well. Claude > >Doesn't look like a healthy body condition. And the owner is the one who > >said he waddles and can't run. > > Well, the breeders and the vet disagree with you... The veterinarian getting publicity? I can't say I'm surprised. I'd like to hear from a disinterested veterinarian, especially about the 30 pounds a week, the waddling, and the "can't run." > Some of the other Verismo Maine Coons look "large boned" as well. I didn't see bone. I didn't see a waist. I didn't see any of the typical signs of a healthy body condition. Normal cats can walk, not waddle. Normal cats can run. This cat appears to weigh about as much as a good-sized bobcat. Bobcats can run and leap and catch prey. I said this cat looked obese the first time I saw him, and I still think so. "Furry" doesn't explain all that fat. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >> >Doesn't look like a healthy body condition. And the owner is the one who >> >said he waddles and can't run. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to hear from a disinterested veterinarian, especially about the 30 >pounds a week, the waddling, and the "can't run." You are confused between Iggy, the waddling cat who is a contender for Ripleys, versus Leo, the Maine Coon who is a Guiness contender based on length. >> Some of the other Verismo Maine Coons look "large boned" as well. > >I didn't see bone. I didn't see a waist. I didn't see any of the typical >signs of a healthy body condition. Normal cats can walk, not waddle. You have Leo confused with Iggy. Leo can stretch up and put his paws on the kitchen counter. Iggy is probably too fat to do that. >Normal cats can run. This cat appears to weigh about as much as a >good-sized bobcat. Bobcats can run and leap and catch prey. Leo looks like he could run. Iggy's the one who can't run. You have confused these two in your thinking. >I said this cat looked obese the first time I saw him, and I still think >so. "Furry" doesn't explain all that fat. Not "this cat" Diane. "These cats," i.e., Iggy and Leo. You have them confused. Charlie >> > When Cosimo was put down he weighed 24lbs. At his prime he was a little >> > over 30lbs. According to the vet, it's all genetic and there isn't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > was fed and cared for with regular vet visits, etc. And yes, he was part > Main Coon. Yes, yes,yes some Maine Coon tomcats can get that large without being excessively fat. Some can reach that size without being fat at all. You should follow the vet's advice if he says your cat needs to lost weight. Otherwise, if the kitty is still active, can race, run, play, leap up on furniture I wouldn't worry about a little chubbiness. However, a warning ---- there is at least one problem with real cat obesity - they are much more likely to have liver failure if they get a virus or something and stop eating for 4-5 days. Cat metabolisms are not designed to allow that long without eating. Pay attention to everyone's eating habits (fat or not), and if they stop eating that long get them to the vet. (I didn't notice my older chubby cat stopped eating because she and the kitten used the same dish. Cost $2500 in vet bills to save her from liver failure. I'm now careful to keep her weight down, and also make sure everyone is eating.) -- maryjane >> >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr >> >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > was fed and cared for with regular vet visits, etc. And yes, he was part > Main Coon. Where did you get that?? Put on your reading glasses and look at the messages. I was talking about the cat in the article -- the cat vying for "the world's fattest feline award." *That* is the cat I called morbidly obese, and I think it is obvious that he is receiving care -- for one thing, he eats 30 pounds of food per week, and that is an amount I have *never* heard of any other cat eating. I don't know you, and I don't know anything about your cat, so I certainly did not make that comment about you. On the other hand, you do seem to have taken the remark personally and it's difficult to believe that 30 pounds would be within any normal weight limits. Here's the link to the article we were discussing: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr MaryL MaryL > Here's the link to the article we were discussing: > http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > "He's a waddler. He's not much for running, but he tries," Kirk said. Well, my cat can do more than "try" -- he runs like a speed demon, which I think is the norm for a healthy cat. Unfortunately, they don't mention Iggy's age, but I'll bet he's not that old. > Despite Iggy's girth, Joyce insists he is otherwise healthy and likes a whole > lot of loving. No animal that obese is "otherwise" healthy. > "The vet says he's perfectly healthy in spite of his weight, I bet. What is the name of this veterinarian? > and that he's > more active than a lot of skinny cats," Kirk said. Despite the fact he "waddles" and isn't "much for running"? I smell someone who just wants money and into the record books at the cat's expense. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >> Here's the link to the article we were discussing: >> http://tinyurl.com/krqwr [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >No animal that obese is "otherwise" healthy. I don't get the impression you are wasting away yourself, Diane. You got one too many chins for that. Charlie >>In article <EYhVf.767$C85.550 dukeread10>, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't get the impression you are wasting away yourself, Diane. > You got one too many chins for that. What was that for? > Charlie > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net > Xref: prodigy.net rec.pets.cats.health+behav:428147 Thanks for posting this, Mary. So sad :( >Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >MaryL As an American, I cannot look upon feline obesity as anything more than a reflection of the national trend. The U.S. is a nation of fat people getting fatter. What really grosses me out are these people who are too fuckin fat to walk around in a store, so they drive these little motorized carts, sometimes with an oxygen tube... all so they can stay alive for another meal. I'll bet there's no shortage of wide loads on Usenet, munching Doritos while typing out their latest sermon. Charlie Charlie > Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > MaryL Count me in. Asinine contests like this encourage idiots to overfeed their cats. Instead of being featured on Ripley's Believe It or Not and America's Funniest Home Videos, the owner should be jailed for animal abuse. That would send the *correct* message. > Asinine contests like this encourage idiots to overfeed their > cats. Instead of being featured on Ripley's Believe It or Not and America's > Funniest Home Videos, the owner should be jailed for animal abuse. That > would send the *correct* message. Looking again, 30 pounds a week? I wonder if the average human eats that much a week. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ > > Asinine contests like this encourage idiots to overfeed their > > cats. Instead of being featured on Ripley's Believe It or Not and America's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Looking again, 30 pounds a week? I wonder if the average human eats that > much a week. I think it is all a bunch of horse sh.t. When a story is centered on "biggest, fattest, loudest, tallest ...." and similar superlatives/hyperboles, it is aimed at idiots. Numbskulls for whom stimulation requires overkill. eckkkkk. > Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr So.... Who's fault is it when a person eats all they want too and become overweight...? McDonalds and Burger King! Who else! Note, ladies and gentlemen, the stunning similarities between this recent liberal left-wing attitude towards individual non-responsibility and their new current leap of illogic... you are an animial abuser becaus your cat is fat. Remarkable... IBen >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > IBen This cat is more than merely "fat" (even though that was the word I used) or "overweight." He is morbidly obese (and the owner has him vying for the title of "world's fattest feline." He cannot even walk correctly; the owner says he "waddles." If we as human beings overeat, that is our own problem and our own responsibility. If a cat is fed 30 pounds of food per week (that's right, this cat eats 30 pounds!), then that is the responsibility of the owner -- and it's cat abuse. It is our responsibility to provide quality care. MaryL > >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > MaryL So... you take your cat to the vet and he tells you that it's kidney function is down to 65 percent, but you can extend it's life a year by doing all these special expensive things... Special diet and special tests... to the tune of 100 bucks a week... Are you telling me that I'm an abuser because I won't go down to the bank for a 2nd mortgage on my house to save the thing? You've got a problem with your conception of reality, lady. You and every other nut who thinks like you... Here.... A kool site for the unperturbed... http://www.messybeast.com/freak-cats.htm IBen Getiner >> >> Please look at this page: http://tinyurl.com/krqwr >> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > IBen Getiner And you have a problem with reading. I didn't say *any* of those things. This entire thread deals exclusively with a morbidly obese cat and the responsibility of the owner for that condition (or it did, until you inserted your "reading between the lines" commentary). MaryL >I am going to write a message of protest to Ripley's. They should not be >glorifying this type of abuse and just plain idiocy. Ripley's and Guiness' Book have always glorified crazy, dangerous stunts. Smoking the most cigarettes at once or breaking the most bones or weighing over 1,000 pounds. That's what they do, it's how they make their money, and it's always been this way. I'm sorry, I am not trying to be rude, but writing to them is silly. Stacia Guinness is no longer recognizing animal weight or dangerous animal behavior due to they believe that it will lead to people deliberately over feeding their pets and or putting them in danger. >>I am going to write a message of protest to Ripley's. They should not be >>glorifying this type of abuse and just plain idiocy. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Stacia On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 19:16:32 GMT, "Matthew AKA NMR \( NO MORE RETAIL \)" <10 points a troll @linethetrollsup.com> wrote: >Guinness is no longer recognizing animal weight or dangerous animal behavior >due to they believe that it will lead to people deliberately over feeding >their pets and or putting them in danger. Yeah, it says so right on the web page with the pictures of this oversized housecat. The record is based on length, not weight. But the cat-care nazis have rendered their judgement and further information is not welcome. Charlie >>>I am going to write a message of protest to Ripley's. They should not be >>>glorifying this type of abuse and just plain idiocy. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> Stacia |
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