What do the words I think mean to you L!

For us it was 20 years ago when it was actually recommended to do it.  Our
vet at that time did not tell everything about it when we asked.  It took
our current vet to tell us the truth and NEVER AGAIN

She was a beautiful cat.  I am sure she had a very good life with you.  
When I was growing up, we really didn't know how to take care of cats.
Though there were not a lot of cars, we did lose some that way.  They were
allowed to roam at will and dogs and nasty neighbors were also a problem.
MLB

yeah she does kinda soften the blow by draggin EVERYONE into her
confession.
lol

maybe we better cut her some slack.

I have never declawed a cat just because I wasn't going to spend the
money on it.

but even if I had the money, I wouldn't have done it

I read somewhere, or someone was telling me, "when cats begin to claw
the furniture, this is when people resort to putting the cat outside"
(which is not cool either)

MJ

"Sherri" <CoastieOhana@yahoo.com> wrote in message

sorry to hear that, can't you get a laptop and sit in a lazy boy recliner?

or...drag your pc over next to the lazy boy, put the keyboard on your lap or
something or get a tv dinner stand thingy for the keyboard

collies are great, irish setters are great, german shepherds are
great...thing with german shepherd, if he is very large, he is going to have
hip problems

mutts are good too...like that dog from Annie...?
the fury one?

You could always get a dog of a man make him sit beg stay come rollover
fetch you a cold beer and what not

Have you tried a kneeling chair?  They're pretty nice.

Give Jerry Howe, the Puppy Wizard, a call.  Seriously.  He is a real
dog expert.  He puts his phone number in every post.  I have called
him a couple of times and he always picks up on the first or second
ring.  He's a nice guy from what I can tell.  His obnoxious schtick on
Usenet is mainly just for fun.

Charlie

HOWEDY Miami Jones,

INDEEDY. Pretty soon, to boot. Stick arHOWEND. The Simply
Amazing Puppy Wizard is fixin to drop the doGdameneD hammer
on the ENTIRE INDUSTRY in WON FELL SWOOP just like HOWE
they say it'll be in The RAPTURE <{) : ~ )  >

From:  Miami Jones
Date:  Tues, Mar 21 2006 5:38 am
Email:   "Miami Jones" <bigbadba...@adelphia.net>
Groups:   alt.bible.prophecy, alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.bible,
alt.religion

Flowerchild8245 wrote:

The difference between christians and other major religions?

us Christians got the power for one. we got power for living

POWER TO DRIVE THE DEVIL BACK! SHUT UP DEVIL
YOU KNOW...ASTA LAVISTA NASTY.

Another major difference, is that we have love one for another

and we know that this Love..oh my Lord, THIS LOVE goes
beyond belief and practice  THIS LOVE covers a multitude of sin

this love this love this love this love

                          -----------------------------

HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka gentleman jack morrison aka
joey finnochiarrio aka DOGMAN you miserable anonymHOWES
lyin dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case and paranoid homophobe,
misoginist child abuing puppy miller and shock collar
salesman,

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

But OF CURSE! You S-HOWEND just like captain arthur
haggerty, your MENTOR, and his flunky pal STUDENT
booby maida, another fighter for truth and justice
and the AMERICAN WAY just like yourself, tommy.

Ain't THAT charmin, eh tommy? Did you IDENTIFY YOURSELF
or did you go by your false name of joey finnochario like
you used when you looked up The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
records at Orlando City Hall, eh tommy?

Meanin since the GSD has been on the DECLINE due to
heelth and temperament PROBLEMS reported RIGHT HERE
on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Forums, eh tommy?

You mean he wasn't even started, tommy.

INDEEDY? But not through a PUPPY MILLER like yourself, tommy.

That's EZ tommy, it's been written abHOWET RIGHT HERE
by your own punk thug coward mental case pal Master Of
Deception blankman. She sez they say they STRESS their
puppies in a variety of ways to make them better...

"I know not everyone is comfortable with the modified
Koehler style promoted by the Monks -"

And she's a lying dog abusing MENTAL CASE herself,
just like you, tommy, ain't that the TRUTH?

But we wasn't talkin abHOWET her, we was talkin abHOWET you:

       You sez:

       > At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
       > dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
       > *not* constitute a "beating."

And then you sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

Yeah, but you're a PROVEN LIAR and DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE
and YOU MAKE MONEY off of SELLIN THEIR BOOKS and MOVIES,
tommy, so your WORD is that of a SPAMMER and SCAMMER, to boot:

Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:

"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete

If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).

You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.

And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman

You been in a DEAD ZONE since DAY WON P.T.A.P.W.E. (Pryor
to The Amazing Puppy Wizard Era). BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHHAAA!!!

NO PROBLEMO, tommy. We'll just accept you WORD for
what you'd LIKE us to BELIEVE.

LIKE THIS:

From: dog...@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/17
Subject: Re: Training book by a bunch of monks

Upon my return to the Cuckoo's Nest, Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:22:02 GMT,
khay...@cave-systems.on.ca (Kevin Haryett) says:

"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete

*Very* good book...but forget the stuff about "alpha rolls."
--
Dogman

From: bob...@aol.com (Bob Maida)
Date: 2000/06/24
Subject: Re: Best behavior book?

HI,
  2 books, I would recommed are Understanding Your
Dog by Dr Michael Fox Mother Knows Best by Carol
Benjamin The Art of Raising A Puppy by The Monks of
New Skete (and NO, the Monks book does not have the
"alpha roll" in it)

------------------

Seems WON of you BELIEVERS in TRUTH JUSTICE and
The AMERICAN WAY is a doGgamened LIAR, eh tommy?
We know who THAT is, tommy... it's YOUR PAL gumbah
booby maida, captain arthur haggerty's PROTEGE.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAAHHAHAAAA!!!

NOT FOR NUTHIN, other than to substantiate
that you mentally ill lying dog abusing punk
thug coward mental cases will do and say ANY
THING to defend your alleged RIGHT to HURT
INTIMDIATE and MURDER innocent critters.

What's to DISCUSS, tommy? You're a liar and dog
abuser like your mentally ill pat booby, and the
monks are a bunch of heavy handed ignorant puppy
milling LHOWETS, like yourself, tommy.

That so? Let's talk abHOWET YOUR DOGS, tommy?
Let's talk abHOWET your CHUMPION FIELD DOGS,
eh tommy? AIN'T YOU PRHOWED of your kennels?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAAA!!!

That so? And they're VERY PRHOWED of THIS:

From: "Jerry Howe" <j...@cfl.rr.com>
Date: 2000/09/19
Subject: The Monks Of New Skete
Recommend These Disciplinary Measures:

The Monks look charming on the outside, but
they have heavy handed techniques.

I've seen advice as to how to hit your dog coming
from them, and lots of other non productive, even
dangerous advice.

While I realize that your definition of abuse differs
greatly from mine, I have spent most of the last thirty-
six years retraining dogs brought up and trained by
abusive techniques.

In The Art of Raising a Puppy , copyright 1991, the
Monks of New Skete recommend these disciplinary measures:

1. Scruff shake. (recommended for puppies, 8-12 weeks)
Grab scruff of neck, shake firmly, bark "NO!"

2. Shakedown. Grab sides of throat with both hands,
lifting dog's front feet off floor, stare, shake
several times, and bark "NO!"

3. "Using a firm cuff underneath the chin with your
opened hand...To make this correction effectively,
your dog must be anchored in a sitting position with
your left hand holding onto his collar.

As you make eye contact with your dog, cuff the
underside of his mouth with your opened right
hand, rapping him sharply several times, as you
say NO!" (recommended for 5-6 month old puppies)

4. Stick finger down throat to stop mouthing or
squeeze and shake muzzle hard enough to elicit
a whine, and bark "NO!"

5. To stop jumping, grab front paws of jumping
pup, and force him to remain in that position
long enough to become uncomfortable.

6. Leash Pop with choke collar (Also pupularized
as the Margolis Jerk)

Those actions and attitudes are behaviors your
dog will learn to copy, and apply to you.

Let me start by calling attention to the recent
notoriety of shaken baby syndrome.  Although dogs
have a loose scruff, the brain damage can result
just the same, and  disk damage may occur.

The ubiquitous leash pop is my number one gripe.
It is recommended and used by almost everyone.
The sharp corrections on leash continue throughout
the life of the dog.

It is recommended they be increased in severity
and frequency as the dog becomes more resistant
and the trainer thinks the dog knows what is
expected of him but the dog refuses to do it.

(Dogs don't do things out of spite!) Nerve damage
can result from leash corrections. Makes me nauseous
to hear people say that dogs don't feel pain the
same way we do.

As a society we don't condone treating our children
or employees that way. What  makes abuse O.K. for
animals?  Force, abuse, and punishment do not have
any place in  a learning environment!

Most of the mistakes our dogs make are not even
understood by the dog to be  mistakes. The punishment
is not understood, and behavior problems result
from the abuse.

BUT YOU SEZ:

"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.

A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.

Okay.  Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters.  Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens"

HOWE abHOWET all them DEAD DOGS you TRAINED RIGHT
HERE that your TERRORIZM DIDN'T SAVE, tommy?

Here tommy, lemme give you a hand with
that tricky little pin... there, got it.
Hold this and please hold this. Thanks.

Adios, tommy.

Here's lyingdogDUMMY BEATIN a dog to HOWEsbreak IT:

"Handsome Jack Morrison"
<handsomemorri...@thedetonatorearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a236iv0ngp58gv9jmi818kbmk928rjcokq@4ax.com...

"Handsome Jack Morrison"

<handsomemorri...@thedetonatorearthlink.net> wrote in message
news:spb3ivgh7prvq9omhka0bcif0tfknv6oop@4ax.com...

NHOWE START WALKIN THE WALK.

HOWEDY tommy sorenson aka gentleman jack morrison aka
joey finnochiarrio aka DOGMAN you miserable anonymHOWES
lyin dog abusing punk thug coward active acute chronic
long term incurable mental case and paranoid homophobe,
misoginist child abuing puppy miller and shock collar
salesman,

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

"Sigh", tommy? Seems you been playin with the girls too much lately.
The girls sigh when they GOT NO INFORMATION, tommy. HOWE COME do you
sigh? You got ALL the INFORMATION the O.P. needs to know, don't you,
tommy <{); ~ ) >

You SELL "obedience training", don't you tommy.

Obedience training MIGHT train the dog to do come but it WON'T
train the dog not to bark at the kids. WILL IT, tommy. All "obedience
training" can do abHOWET the barkin at kids is to make the dog shut
up AFTER IT has DONE what he DON'T WANT the dog to be doin.

AIN'T THAT CORRECT, tommy?

HOWE is "obedience training" gonna train the dog not to bolt through
doors?

RIGHT. THAT'S HOWE COME he's askin YOU for heelp, AIN'T IT, tommy.

You mean you AIN'T GOT NO ADVICE, tommy? Here's some of your
advice when you THOUGHT you was a DOG TRAINER, REMEMBER tommy?:

        "At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
        dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
        *not* constitute a "beating.""

And then you sez:

"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.  Yep, really lean into it.

Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.

Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.

If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.

When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee.  Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."

I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training.  That is, she just
needs *more* of it."

Here's your highly recommended koehler method, tommy:

"The Koehler Method of Dog Training" Howell Book House," 1996
William Koehler

BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING

The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain
you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were
against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn't quiet
them, so we'll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in
his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more
emphatic.

We'll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one
that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at
familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from
a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of
temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his
mouth.

But you won't make the permanent impression unless you
supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he
thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don't always come at
the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet
hour" and pursue his old routines at other times.

With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs
with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As
was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not
lessen the dog's value as a  watchdog but rather, as he grows more
discriminating, increase it.

The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because
you're gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical
for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater
to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you'll have to heed
the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little
ingenuity as well as a heavy hand.

Attach a line to your dog's collar, so your corrective effort
doesn't turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a
stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will
also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog
drags it around when you're not present. Next, equip yourself with a
man's leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular
dog a good tanning.

Yup-we're going to strike him. Real hard. Remember,
you're dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and
neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does.

Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going.
When you've walked to a point where he'll think you're gone but
where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If
you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful
not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog's hearing to be many times as
sharp as yours.

When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so
you can barge in while he's still barking, which is generally
impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of
"out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area.

Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you've
conveniently placed, and descend on him. He'll have no chance to
dodge if you grab the line  and reel him in until his front feet are
raised off the floor or, if he's a big dog, until you've snubbed him
up with a hitch on something. While he's held in close, lay the
strap vigorously against his thighs.

Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it's the bitter end. A real
whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat
performances that will be necessary.

When you're finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on
a long down to think things over  while you catch your breath. After
fifteen or twenty minutes, release  him from the stay and leave the
area again.

So that you won't feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great
percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end
up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I've
always felt that it's even better to spank children, even if they
"cry out," than to "put them to sleep."

You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your
dog starts broadcasting again. When he does, let your long range
bellow tie the consequent correction to his first sound and repeat
the spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more.

It might be necessary to spend a Saturday or another day off so that
you'll have time to follow through sufficiently. When you have a
full day, you will be able to convince him each yelp will have a bad
consequence, and the consistency will make your job easier. If he
gets away with his concert part of the time, he'll be apt to gamble
on your inconsistency.

After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the correction" will
be tied in close enough association so that you can move in on him
without the preliminary bellowing of "out." From then on, it's just
a case of laying for the dog and supplying enough bad
consequences of his noise so he'll no longer feel like gambling.

Occasionally, there is a dog who seems to sense that you're hiding
nearby and will utter no sound. He also seems to sense when you
have really gone away, at least according to the neighbors. Maybe
his sensing actually amounts to close observation. He could be
watching and listening for the signs of your actual going.

Make a convincing operation of leaving, even if it requires changing
clothes and being unusually noisy as you slam the doors on the
family car and drive away. Arrange with a friend to trade cars a
block or two from your house so you can come back and park within
earshot without a single familiar sound to tell the dog you've
returned. A few of these car changes are generally enough to fool
the most alert dog.

Whether your dog believes you are gone anytime you step out of the
house or requires the production of changing clothes and driving
off, keep working until even your neighbors admit the dog has
reformed. If there has been a long history of barking and whining,
it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be quiet when
you're not around, so give the above method an honest try before
you presume your dog requires a more severe correction.

        Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking
        Backslider.

       "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
       these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
       will continue to mess in the house.

      An indelible impression can sometimes be
      made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long
      duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he's
      made so you can come back at twenty minute
      intervals and punish him again for the same
      thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)

       In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
       disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
       light spanking that some owners seem to think is
       adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
       as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."

       "Housebreaking Problems:

       "The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
        Howell Book House, 1996"

Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment.

Make certain he is equipped with a collar
and piece of line so he can't avoid correction.

When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.

Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.

       It is important to your future relationship that you
       do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
       hold of him.

       When he's been spanked, take him outside.
       Chances are, if you are careful in your feeding
       and close observation, you will not have to do
       much punishing.

       Be consistent in your handling.

To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.

The same general techniques of housebreaking
apply to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the
house.

For the grown dog who was reliable in the house
and then backslides, the method of correction
differs somewhat.

In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.

       The first step of correction is to confine the dog
       closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
       that he is constantly reminded of his obligation.

The fact that he once was reliable in the house is
proof  that the dog knows right from wrong, and it
leaves you no other course than to punish him
sufficiently to convince him that the satisfaction of
his wrongdoing is not worth the consequences.

If the punishment is not severe enough, some of
these "backsliders" will think they're winning and
will continue to mess in the house.

       An indelible impression can sometimes be made
       by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
       then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
       can come back at twenty minute intervals and
       punish him again for the same thing.

       In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
       disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
       light spanking that some owners seem to think is
       adequate punishment.

       It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
        if you really pour it on him, " wm koehler.

Subject: < BEFORE ->  "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
                     No Good Charlatan,"

< AFTER ->  "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
           A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
           Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
           Dog Lovers.

          'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
          A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.

Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?

Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman

=====================

<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>

Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.

This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.

The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.

To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.

Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante  dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey  (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.

"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.

Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.

I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.

I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.

Yes it was, and that is sad.

Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)

===========

Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

                   Punishment Deranges Behavior.
        "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
                              EXCEPT
                   To DERANGE Behaviors.

Here's professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into ITS face for
five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation"
dermer of the Department of ANAL-ytic Behavior at UofWI, pryor:

From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST

    And how do we know this aspect of his
    advice is right?

    Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
    His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.

    (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
    few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
    ill-mannered, or just plain ill.­),

    --Marshall

      Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
       Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/ der...@uwm.edu
                    http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
       "Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"

From: der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps

In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Marshall
Dermer) writes: In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu>

"Oops!  I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.

At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

P.S.  Contacting Dr. P:

Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.

In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.

That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.

Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.

If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.

P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

               YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!

             Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
             Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
                            BUSINESS.

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:

   "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
   Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
   God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
   Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.

From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM

Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,

I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.

You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent­,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts ­to
alert the world to animal abuse.

We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.

Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?

In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.

--Marshall Dermer

From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400

Dear Jerry,  I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.

I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University.  I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.

There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.

Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques.  Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.

George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology

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From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 22 May 2005 22:08:53 -0700
Subject: Re: My lab seems to get targeted at the dog park

dinglejingl...@yahoo.com wrote:

I'm not a trainer and my experience is limited to my
two dogs, so take it for what it's worth. As someone
who had to deal with a puppy who had his own ideas
about what was and what wasn't "proper behavior", I
was very happy to find The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
dog training method.

It is a method that is gentle to the dog, very easy
to apply and it has been working wonderfully with
both my dogs, giving practically instant results.

It was as if I had been given the "key" to understanding
and controlling my puppy's behavior: suddenly, he was
istening to me, doing what I was asking him to do, instead
of constantly opposing me.

It also worked with some issues my older dog had, too -
her fear of thunder, her barking and her aggression
towards another female dog.

Don't let either the first impression about the "weirdness"
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard, or the regulars' negative opinion
of him (there's a long history behind it) deter you from at
least reading the manual and deciding for yourself if you
want to try it or not.

I wish all the best to you and your dog.

Lucy
                 -------------------

Lucy wrote:

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Within a few minutes?

Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to occur
after repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad
behavior!

Lucy
              -----------------

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is
no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine.

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

            The Simply Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

                  "A cheerful heart is good medicine,
                but a crushed spirit dries up the bones".
                           Proverbs 17:22

                 Blessed are all who take refuge in HIM.

              Jerry 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
                      Thus saith the LORD Of DOG;
                       Behold, I set before you
                           The Way Of Life,
                                And
                          The Way Of Death.

            And Disciple Paulie said unto them, Thus shall ye
            say to your master, Thus saith The LORD Of DOG,
            Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard,
            with which the servants of koehler and university
            trained behaviorists and veterinary malpracticioners
            have blasphemed me.

                            Disciple Paulie Sez:

         "No One Understands How Wits End Training Really
         Works,  They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't
         Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
         Any Situation  And  The  Foundation Is Built On Trust
         And Understanding.

         I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
         they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
         I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
         me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
         they always are, always.

        Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good
        dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll
        find your dog thinking then responding everytime.
        A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
        to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.

        Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
        everyone would have obedient dogs.

        I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
        sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all,
        all dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they
        are good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.

        Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
        been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
        sit then there's no positive interaction.
                              Paul

           "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
                       I came not to send peace,
                             but a sword.
       "For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
                   and the daughter against her mother,
             the daughter in law against her mother in law
                and the scholar against his professors.
         "And a man's foes shall be they of his own HOWEshold."
                     The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >

                  All truth passes through three stages.
                         First, it is ridiculed.
                   Second, it is violently opposed.
              Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                        -Arthur Schopenhauer

                 "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                     even tho it's a hopeless task,
                       in this system of things.
                    As long as man is ruling man,
                 there will be animals (and humans!)
                      abused and neglected. :-(
                       Your student," Juanita.

              "If you've got them by the balls their hearts
                         and minds will follow,"
                             John Wayne.

Yours,
Jerry Howe,
Director of Research,
Animal Behavior Forensic
Sciences Research Laboratory,
BIOSOUND Scientific,
Director of Training,
Wits' End Dog Training
1611 24th St
Orlando, FL 32805
Phone: 1-407-425-5092

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