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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2006Fancy Feast dry?
Apparently no one has posted about the new Fancy Feast dry cat food. I guess it's new anyway. My cats like it. Anything known wrong with it? Thank you. > Apparently no one has posted about the new Fancy Feast dry cat > food. I guess it's new anyway. My cats like it. Anything known > wrong with it? > > Thank you. It's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it "super premium". It's full of corn and dye. Gourmet Gold with Ocean fish and salmon: Brewers rice, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), ground yellow corn, soybean meal, animal digest, ocean fish, salmon, brewers dried yeast, phosphoric acid, calcium carbonate, natural and artificial flavors, potassium chloride, tetra sodium pyrophosphate, salt, choline chloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 2 and other color), taurine, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite. A-5121 Gourmet Gold with savory chicken and turkey: Brewers rice, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, ground yellow corn, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), soybean meal, animal digest, chicken, turkey, brewers dried yeast, phosphoric acid, calcium carbonate, natural and artificial flavors, potassium chloride, tetra sodium pyrophosphate, salt, choline chloride, added color (Red 40, Yellow 5, Blue 2 and other color), taurine, zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite. A-5120 http://www.fancyfeast.com/cuisine/gourmetgold_2.aspx  SignatureCheryl > On Mon 13 Mar 2006 11:07:20p, John Doe wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > It's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it > "super premium". It's also the most expensive Purina dry cat food. It's also named after their very popular wet cat food. That it's "garbage" is difficult to believe. > It's full of corn and dye. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > http://www.fancyfeast.com/cuisine/gourmetgold_2.aspx >> It's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it >> "super premium". > > It's also the most expensive Purina dry cat food. It's also > named after their very popular wet cat food. That it's "garbage" > is difficult to believe. Well, Johnny, I don't know what else to tell you. If you'd pay more attention to the helpful posts instead of obsess over the troll posts, you might learn something. Take 1 clue from the ingredients. It's chock full of fillers and cereal. Take clue #2 from the shapes and colors of the pieces. WTF are they making? A kitty version of Lucky Charms? Stars and moons and clooooover. ;) Ok, no clover, but it still looks like Lucky Charms. Add some marshmellow bits and there ya go. "Enchanting shapes" http://www.fancyfeast.com/image/gg_hdr_img.jpg >> It's full of corn and dye. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium >> selenite. A-5121 SignatureCheryl > On Wed 15 Mar 2006 05:02:40a, John Doe wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Well, Johnny, I don't know what else to tell you. Do you eat fast food? Since you feed fancy feast, I guess you are wondering the same. > If you'd pay more > attention to the helpful posts instead of obsess over the troll > posts, you might learn something. You want me to obsess over you? > Take 1 clue from the > ingredients. It's chock full of fillers and cereal. Take clue #2 > from the shapes and colors of the pieces. WTF are they making? A > kitty version of Lucky Charms? Stars and moons and clooooover. ;) > Ok, no clover, but it still looks like Lucky Charms. Add some > marshmellow bits and there ya go. "Enchanting shapes" Shapes have nothing to do with quality. Colors either, unless maybe they are known hazardous? Or maybe the commercials stick in your head even after 20 years. > http://www.fancyfeast.com/image/gg_hdr_img.jpg > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium >>> selenite. A-5121 "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in message > You want me to obsess over you? do you want her to want you to obsess over her? tell the truth, ain't nothin but home folk here GO DOE!!!! woo woo woo A nym shifting troll perhaps just recently stopped posting through Google Groups. 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[quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 02:33:06 GMT > Xref: uni-berlin.de rec.pets.cats.health+behav:400304 :) SignatureCheryl "John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> or maybe you are just a fruitcake, troll, dumbass obsessive person who is in love with Barry and Cybercat John Doe <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in news:Xns97872929CE41Dfollydom@ 207.115.17.102: > It's also the most expensive Purina dry cat food. It's also named > after their very popular wet cat food. That it's "garbage" is > difficult to believe. It's more expensive than Purina Pro Plan? > John Doe <jdoe@usenet.love.invalid> wrote in > news:Xns97872929CE41Dfollydom@ 207.115.17.102: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It's more expensive than Purina Pro Plan? It's $5.74 plus tax for 3 pounds at Target (a discount store in the USA). > 's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it "super > premium". It's full of corn and dye. > > Gourmet Gold with Ocean fish and salmon: > Brewers rice, poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal, animal fat I was amazed to see sample bags of Hills Science Diet for cats at my vets office and the first two ingredients were: poultry by-product meal, corn gluten meal I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed first with by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. >poultry by-product meal, >corn gluten meal >I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed first with >by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. Hill's chicken by-product meal *is* meat. It consists of both white and dark meat and viscera (byproducts). Corn gluten meal is used for protein. If it just says corn meal, then that's used for carbohyrdrates but if it says gluten meal, it's used for protein. NMR > >poultry by-product meal, > >corn gluten meal [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > NMR That's what I meant when I said I wasn't good at interpreting labels -- I don't get it. Why is the chicken by-product listed as "chicken byproduct meal"--and not just "chicken byproduct"--which it is on other brands of cat food? Sherry >That's what I meant when I said I wasn't good at interpreting labels -- >I don't get it. Why is the chicken by-product listed as "chicken >byproduct meal"--and not just "chicken byproduct"--which it is on other >brands of cat food? "Meal" means that all of the water has been taken out of the chicken - it is cooked, dried chicken. If it just says "chicken" on the label without the word "meal" following it, that means that the chicken was not cooked and dried and still has the water in it. The list of ingredients you see on the bag are listed by weight but this list is *before* the food is cooked. Chicken can be up to 70% water which makes it heavier; this makes chicken rise to the top of the ingredient list. BUT, once the food is cooked, the water in the chicken evaporates; therefore, if you were to see the ingredient list *after* cooking, the chicken would most likely be way down on the list. This works out for the companies very well, the customer is left thinking that there is a lot of chicken in the food cause it is listed first or second in the ingredient list but little does the customer know that the list consists of the weight of the ingredients *before* cooking. If you see "chicken MEAL" high up on the ingredient list, that is good. There is no water weight in chicken meal, so the company cannot use the water weight to bring the chicken to the top of the ingredient list, therefore, the brands that have chicken meal in them have more chicken in them than brands that just have chicken in them. Anna I should add I found this info. out when my cat got a bladder infection. I was using a brand that listed "chicken", not meal. I now realize my cat was not getting very much chicken. I had no idea the ingredient list was *before* cooking and that after cooking, the chicken would have dropped to a much lower place on the ingredient list. Therefore, he was actually eating mostly grains. Grains don't have water in them and would remain high on the ingredient list after cooking. The company's theory is that they think it is better to cook chicken once rather than receive it already cooked and then cook it again; according to them, they think chicken would have more vitamins left in it if cooked only once. I have to disagree with them. I would rather my cat have had more chicken even if it were cooked twice. Vitamins are added to the food, so who cares if the vitamins are depleted from the chicken being cooked twice (I don't even know if the vitamins would be depleted if cooked twice or if this is just the company not knowing what it's talking about). Anna >> 's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it "super >> premium". It's full of corn and dye. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed > first with by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. Apparently it's not simple as some people proclaim. For example the first ingredient in Purina One Sensitive Systems formula is Turkey. >> I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed >> first with by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. > > Apparently it's not simple as some people proclaim. For example > the first ingredient in Purina One Sensitive Systems formula is > Turkey. No, it isn't simple. But rice, corn gluton meal (which isn't a bad thing) ground corn all in the top ingredients isn't good IMO, plus all the dyes they use. There is no good reason to artificially dye cat food. That said, one of my cats, Rhett, 1-1/2 year old male tabby has always had a sensitive tummy and had chronic diarrhea for a while when he was a kitten, before it was under control. What controlled it? Science Diet Sensitive Stomach dry food. Top ingredients, rice and chicken. If he gets into other foods, his problem comes back. Even trying to switch him to canned it comes back. My other dry food eater eats California Natural, and it has basically the same ingredients, so if he eats hers (which he does; he's a pig) it doesn't affect him that badly. Now that we've brought up SD, we'll invoke SC and Gaubster, so be ready for some real info. ;) SignatureCheryl snipped > No, it isn't simple. But rice, corn gluton meal (which isn't a bad > thing) ground corn all in the top ingredients isn't good IMO, plus > all the dyes they use. There is no good reason to artificially dye > cat food. That is my pet peeve. Look at the cheap brands--Meow Mix, Chef's Blend, DeliCat, are all good examples--they are *highly* dyed red/orange kibbles. Cats don't even see colors. How stupid is that? Fancy Feast Dry is *bicolor* cute little kibbles--same principle. I got a sample pack of it. Doled it out to the cats like treats, which is what I always do with samples--they loved it, of course. It's Fancy Feast. > That said, one of my cats, Rhett, 1-1/2 year old male tabby has > always had a sensitive tummy and had chronic diarrhea for a while [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ingredients, so if he eats hers (which he does; he's a pig) it > doesn't affect him that badly. We have an ongoing food struggle with Bootsie. ALL she will eat is Pro Plan Dry. Give her wet food, and she sniffs it and runs. I've tried everything. Wellness makes her run. Nutro makes her run. She used to pick at Fancy Feast, lick the juice off, but now *it* makes her run. So we try new things a lot, just to put calories on her. She is a tiny thing. I run across this new line of food at Petsmart, and grabbed a trial size. It is called "Spa Select". Marketed as a "natural" food, with all kinds of things in it cats don't need (oatmeal, sweet potatoes, carrots, blah blah)...but man, she WOLFS it down. I wonder if anyone knows anything about it--I am not good at interpreting labels. First ingredient is salmon, and the label says: Crude protein, 34%; Crude Fat 18%; Crude Fiber 4$; Moisture 10%; Ash 7%; Magnesium .10%; Taurine 0.15%. Of course, the packaging is designed to draw in the Earth Mother types--and it worked, LOL--I bought the stuff. My intent isn't to replace the Pro Plan--it's not particularly a bad food and she does well on it -- but to just get her to eat *more* of anything. Anyone have any info. on Spa Select? Sherry >First ingredient is salmon, and the label says: Crude protein, 34%; >Crude Fat 18%; Crude Fiber 4$; Moisture 10%; Ash 7%; Magnesium .10%; >Taurine 0.15%. Those are just minimums and maximums. For example, if it says Crude Protein is minimum 34%, that means that it doesn't have any less than 34% protein in it but it could have 40%, 50%, 60%, etc. as it doesn't list a maximum, only a minimum. Or if it says minimum .7% phosphorus; that means it won't have any less than 7% but it could have up to .10%, .20, etc. You don't know the exact amount because they only list the minimum amount. You have to find out what the "dry matter" analysis is. That is the *exact* amounts that are in the food minus the moisture content. You can get that by calling the company. A trust-worthy, competent company will provide you with that info. Anna > I was amazed to see sample bags of Hills Science Diet for cats at my vets > office and the first two ingredients were: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed first with > by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. That's because Hill's products suck. -L. >That's because Hill's products suck. I beg to differ. My cat had a blocked bladder six years ago and he's been fine since switching to Hill's food. He's never had a recurrance since being on Hill's. And my 14 year old has eaten it her whole life and is very healthy; blood and urine tests still excellent. Best food in my opinion and experience. Anna >> 's garbage. I can't believe they have the nerve to call it "super >> premium". It's full of corn and dye. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I've always thought the best foods have meat ingredients listed first with > by-products and corn meal listed way down if at all. I'm not sure exactly what product you were looking at because I just reviewed the Science Diet dry products for adult cats here... http://tinyurl.com/qx6ea ...and I was unable to find a single product listing 'poultry by-product meal' as the first ingredient. Then I checked the kitten and senior dry products and was also unable to find a single product listing 'poultry by-product meal' as the first ingredient. Perhaps you have confused 'poultry by-product meal' with 'chicken by-product meal', which is in a lot of Science diet products. There is certainly a world of difference between the two... where the later one specifies exactly what bird the by-products come from. The best foods don't necessarily have meat ingredients listed first, one also needs to review the nutritional analysis information. Keep in mind that what is actually okay for the cat in terms of food you, as a human, may find somewhat repulsive. This is where the whole marketing ploy about 'human grade' ingredients comes into play... it plays on your sense that 'human grade' is somehow better for your cat. I suppose they call the trash that comes out of some junk food places 'human grade' as well, which is debatable. In any case, there is no such grade as 'human grade'... so how are they able to decide what ingredients meet that 'standard'? . > I suppose they call the trash that comes out of some junk food places > 'human grade' as well, which is debatable. In any case, there is no such > grade as 'human grade'... so how are they able to decide what > ingredients meet that 'standard'? I always thought "human grade" referred to the condition of the meat "on foot". Injured, diseased or aged chickens, for example. Not referring to "byproducts", which I thought were just the "parts" that people don't eat....entrails, organs, feet, stuff like that--from the healthy birds--still very nutritious to a cat. I could be absolutely wrong on this. Do you know? Sherry > . >> I suppose they call the trash that comes out of some junk food places [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sherry Stores sell some by-products for human consumption. Sausage casings and certain organ meats (liver, kidney, stomach (tripe), pig's feet, heart, brain, tongue, tail, etc) are common examples. In some countries, by-products are actually sought after by humans... and not because they don't have anything better, but because they enjoy those items. >Stores sell some by-products for human consumption. > >Sausage casings and certain organ meats (liver, kidney, stomach (tripe), >pig's feet, heart, brain, tongue, tail, etc) are common examples. I'd add hot dog wieners to that as well. -mhd >I always thought "human grade" referred to the condition of the meat >"on foot". Injured, diseased or aged chickens, for example. >Not referring to "byproducts", which I thought were just the "parts" >that people don't eat....entrails, organs, feet, stuff like that--from >the healthy birds--still very nutritious to a cat. >I could be absolutely wrong on this. Do you know? Would you consider a nice T-bone steak dragged across the floor in a pet food plant human grade? I don't think a food inspector would. Anything made in a pet food plant obviously fails the "human grade" test. -mhd > . > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sherry Supposedly, Human Grade meat, is meat that has passed gov inspection and can be sold for human consumption in a grocery store |
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