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Life Expenctancy of Main Coons
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Margarita Salt - 27 Feb 2006 04:40 GMT I was at PetsMart today and, silly me, looked at the adoptables. There was a card that said the resident's name was Kama (really!) and he was a main coon, 6 years old. I could see a cat tucked into its sleeping quarters, and tapped on the window trying to wake him up so I could see. Well, the tapping worked. I saw big yellow eyes light up and then what emerged from the den was a startlingly HUGE and BEAUTIFUL boy.
That cat was 20 inches at the shoulder if he was an inch at all. He came right up to the window meowing, and rubbed on it, then looked over his shoulder like "whya ren't you petting me?" I mean this cat was HUGE! I have never seen a domestic this big. And he was so adorably sweet, I wanted to take him right home. Kami would have a fit and would not be able to do anything about it. He could make her nothing more than a pink smudge on the carpet.
The more I thought it, the more I recalled that because of their size, coons don't live very long. At 6 years, he probably only had a a couple more years left. If Kami went tomorrow I would have to deal with it again much too soon.
Is what I heard correct? Do main coons just not live very long?
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NMR - 27 Feb 2006 05:15 GMT Brandy they do live normal life spans as any cats does. I have a friend who's fur child lived to 21 and at its biggest was 17 lbs. It all depends on the cat, the environment, its genetics.
some links for you to check out http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/maine-coon-faq.html http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/maine.html
Claude V. Lucas - 27 Feb 2006 05:42 GMT >I was at PetsMart today and, silly me, looked at the adoptables. There >was a card that said the resident's name was Kama (really!) and he was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Is what I heard correct? Do main coons just not live very long? I did a quick Google and read a couple MC FAQs that came up and saw nothing that claimed a shorter life span overall for the breed. At 6 he's barely done being a kitten. The way that acted towards you is just like what Bubba did when he adopted me at the shelter.
If that one is anything like Bubba I wouldn't worry about him using his size to dominate a smaller cat. One day one of the neighbor's little black kittens wandered in through the open door and Bubba walked over to check it out. The kitten was only about 1/10 Bubba's size but when the little thing arched it's back and hissed, Bubba was off like he was shot at and hid behind the couch. LOL...
He's really friendly with people but other cats all seem to scare him and he doesn't seem to want to have much to do with them. I don't know what he'd do if another cat got aggro with him or backed him into a corner. He's *really* strong and has big teeth... Overall he's pretty mellow and easygoing so I think that he'd get used to another cat but I don't know for sure.
Claude
Mathew Kagis - 27 Feb 2006 06:22 GMT > >I was at PetsMart today and, silly me, looked at the adoptables. There > >was a card that said the resident's name was Kama (really!) and he was [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and saw nothing that claimed a shorter life span overall > for the breed. At 6 he's barely done being a kitten. <SNIP>
Overall he's pretty mellow and
> easygoing so I think that he'd get used to another cat but > I don't know for sure. > > Claude I did a bunch of reasearch on MCs last year... My oldest, Chablis, has alot of Maine Coon in her, although I don't know who her parents were & adopted her sick, worm ridden little a.s at the tender age of 7 weeks.
MCs live normal life spans, tend to get pretty big & don't stop growing untill the age of 2 or better. Generally a very mellow breed, as Claude has pointed out... Chablis is definitely the most accepting of new people & situations of the three here... Beautifull cats... If your tempted, I think you could do worse....
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Phil P. - 27 Feb 2006 08:15 GMT > I did a quick Google and read a couple MC FAQs that came up > and saw nothing that claimed a shorter life span overall > for the breed. Certain families of Maine Coons carry a genetic mutation that causes hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. A DNA screening test has been developed by UC-Davis that will identify Maine coon cats carrying the genetic mutation.
http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=7533
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/hypertrophic-cardiomyopathy.html
Claude V. Lucas - 27 Feb 2006 08:51 GMT >> I did a quick Google and read a couple MC FAQs that came up >> and saw nothing that claimed a shorter life span overall [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/health/hypertrophic-cardiomyopathy.html Thanks for the links.
One of the FAQ's I read, and I forget which one because I scanned a couple of them one after another, said that this defect has largely been bred out of the breed... That test will certainly help.
True?
None of the FAQs said anything about an overall shorter life span due to that particular heart problem or anything else including the larger size.
I don't have to be concerned about Bubba passing that or any other genes. I hope he isn't afflicted. He seems OK so far. I had him checked by a vet when I got him, but no echocardiogram... I'm more worried about him being so big in spite of short rations. Somebody else mentioned the dangers of being overweight although I'm not sure what "overweight" really means without being able to measure body fat percentage and without knowing what percentage is appropriate for a cat.
Thanks again
Claude
Phil P. - 27 Feb 2006 09:43 GMT > >> I did a quick Google and read a couple MC FAQs that came up > >> and saw nothing that claimed a shorter life span overall [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > True? No. HCM is still a major concern in Maine Coons.
> None of the FAQs said anything about an overall shorter life span due > to that particular heart problem or anything else including the larger size. HCM can definitely have an affect on lifespan.
> I don't have to be concerned about Bubba passing that or any other > genes. I hope he isn't afflicted. He seems OK so far. I had him > checked by a vet when I got him, but no echocardiogram... An echo can't detect the mutated gene if he's carrying it. You can order a DNA test kit from Washington State's Veterinary Cardiac Genetics Lab- its a very simple test. All you have to do is collect a cell sample from inside his cheek with a small brush that comes with the kit and send it back to the lab. It only costs $60.
I'm more
> worried about him being so big in spite of short rations. Somebody > else mentioned the dangers of being overweight although I'm not sure > what "overweight" really means without being able to measure body > fat percentage and without knowing what percentage is appropriate > for a cat. Body Condition Score is used to determine whether or not a cat is overweight:
http://www.maxshouse.com/nutrition/Body_Scoring_System-Chart.jpg
Good luck,
Phil
Buddy - 27 Feb 2006 11:07 GMT I adopted a Maine Coon from a shelter a year ago - he was three when I got him - or I should say when he chose me - he acted just like the one acted with you. He is the most laid back cat I have ever seen and don't regret adopting him.
I think that MC's do tend to gain weight easily. My vet said that most MC owners THINK the cats should be big and overfeed them. So, as in humans, diabetes goes along with being overweight. I think that mine is pet quality and not show - he is a bit smaller than most. Probably the runt of the litter. I have trouble keeping him at 11 pounds. He has a very small mouth and small teeth, but big fluffy feet.
He never begs for food or acts like that is what is on his mind, but he will eat as much as you offer. So you have to watch the quantity you give.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 27 Feb 2006 11:34 GMT > I adopted a Maine Coon from a shelter a year ago - he was three when I > got him - or I should say when he chose me - he acted just like the one > acted with you. He is the most laid back cat I have ever seen and > don't regret adopting him. I adopted a cat last year who is probably part maine coon and/or part ragdoll. The size and temperment is described the same for both. He has the look of the ragdoll, but talks like a maine coon. He's a big boy, but small for both breeds.
When I got him, they said he was 3-4 years old, but I think it was a guess because of his size. He was 12 1/2 pounds when I got him, gained weight like crazy (changed his food), settled down, lost weight, and is now a healthy 16.4 lbs. His photos taken last August (taken 6 months after I adopted him) are very different from his current photos. He looks immature. Back then, he didn't seem that way. But he's thicker now, especially in the face, and he just looks more like a kitten in those photos. A couple judges and some breeders at a cat show also commented on it when I asked their opinion of his breed. So, we decided he must have been only 1 year to 2 years old when I got him. Great for me - I'll get to enjoy him longer!
> I think that MC's do tend to gain weight easily. My vet said that most > MC owners THINK the cats should be big and overfeed them. When I got Jay Jay, he gained weight liek crazy. Partly because he was a stray and not used to food available 24/7. I had to restrict his food. But he was still gaining. Even on the lite stuff. Then I switched his food to Royal Canon's maine coon food. I was actually trying to eliminate the stinky poo. But the food also caused him to lose weight and stablize. The kibbles are larger, so he has to put some effort into chewing it. He went from inhaling it to being satisfied on less food. He went from 12.5 to 19, and back down to 16.4 pounds. And I can free feed him now. I took him to theshow last week in the household pet class. Several judges commented on his good condition. Unfortunately, he hissed at most of the judges, so he only got a ribbon in one ring (before he got mad and started hissing).
http://www.zoocrewphoto.com/cats/jayjay.jpg
This photo was taken in December. I'll get out the one taken in August.
Buddy - 27 Feb 2006 13:09 GMT Wow - he's a beauty! Here is my funny guy:
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~colonialamerica/2.jpg
He loves having pictures taken and poses for the camera. Which shows his personality.
He has never hissed in the year that I have had him. Not even going to the vet and getting shots.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 01 Mar 2006 09:13 GMT > Wow - he's a beauty! Here is my funny guy: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > He has never hissed in the year that I have had him. Not even going to > the vet and getting shots. Jay Jay hasn't figured out the camera yet. He still pouts and doesn't seem to understand I want lots of photos of him. He picked me, but he hasn't quite figured out what it means to choose the home of a photographer.
Chase is the ham around here. I have to lock him out of the room if I want photos of somebody else.
Jay Jay has been a true gentle giant, very meek, and not agressive at all. He hissed at one of the dogs the first day, and that was about it. I never saw him hiss after that. And never a growl. I really believe he thought he was in a fight to save his home, and decided to take drastic measures.
He's been prefectly normal and happy at home. It's hard to believe that those hisses and that growl actually occurred.
Rhonda - 27 Feb 2006 06:20 GMT We found a stray who we believe was at least part Maine Coon. He had all of the characteristics, tufts in the ears, ruff, tufts on the feet.
He did end up with diabetes, but we had him for 7 years. He might have been around 11 or so when he died.
They do have a tendency towards diabetes because of their size. I know another person who got an adult Maine Coon and was happy he was gaining so much weight. She let him go from 11 pounds to about 17 in 6 months. He ended up with diabetes a few months later.
If you get him, I'd try not to let him get overweight. Also, don't let anyone give him anything with steroids in it (which is what triggered the diabetes in our cat.)
I loved our cat, he was the coolest one we've ever had. I've never seen such a laid-back cat. He would put an arm around each side of my neck and give me a hug.
Rhonda
> Is what I heard correct? Do main coons just not live very long? Joe Canuck - 27 Feb 2006 13:35 GMT > We found a stray who we believe was at least part Maine Coon. He had all > of the characteristics, tufts in the ears, ruff, tufts on the feet. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They do have a tendency towards diabetes because of their size. I know Bullshit.
Size is not a predisposition for diabetes, certainly not if large size is a breed characteristic as it is with Maine Coon's and my own cat a Ragdoll who as a female tips the scales at 18 pounds.
> another person who got an adult Maine Coon and was happy he was gaining > so much weight. She let him go from 11 pounds to about 17 in 6 months. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >> Is what I heard correct? Do main coons just not live very long? Rhonda - 27 Feb 2006 20:48 GMT >> We found a stray who we believe was at least part Maine Coon. He had >> all of the characteristics, tufts in the ears, ruff, tufts on the feet. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is a breed characteristic as it is with Maine Coon's and my own cat a > Ragdoll who as a female tips the scales at 18 pounds. Okay, how about if I said being overweight? I agree with the other poster, Maine Coons are hard to keep at a good weight. They tend to get too big.
Go on to the message board at www.felinediabetes.com and ask there how many have "big" cats...
Rhonda
Joe Canuck - 27 Feb 2006 21:08 GMT >>> We found a stray who we believe was at least part Maine Coon. He had >>> all of the characteristics, tufts in the ears, ruff, tufts on the feet. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Rhonda Oh, okay... overweight yes... I agree!
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 01 Mar 2006 10:47 GMT > Size is not a predisposition for diabetes, certainly not if large size > is a breed characteristic as it is with Maine Coon's and my own cat a > Ragdoll who as a female tips the scales at 18 pounds. Joe,
Can you post some pics of your Ragdoll? Or send me a couple via email?
friesian(at)zoocrewphoto(dot)com
I'm still trying to learn more about Jay Jay. He has one of the color patterns of the Ragdolls, but he talks like a Maine Coon. And while he is a large boy, he doesn't seem to be as large as both of these breeds get. I don't know how old he is. I'm guessing around 2 1/2, so he may not be done growing. But I would guess he has attained most of his size.
I've looked at some ragdolls at cat shows, but they are all younger cats. Jay Jay has a much thicker head than those cats. I'd like to see what full mature ragdolls look like.
I suspect that Jay Jay is a mix, and that would explain his smaller size. But I can't tell which he is more likely to be - part maine coon or part ragdoll. The temperment is described the same for both breeds. And he has the look of one and the sound of another.
Joe Canuck - 01 Mar 2006 12:23 GMT >> Size is not a predisposition for diabetes, certainly not if large size >> is a breed characteristic as it is with Maine Coon's and my own cat a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can you post some pics of your Ragdoll? Or send me a couple via email? I'm still not "with it" regarding posting pics on the 'net; however, there is a lot of info on them here which should help you out:
http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/ragdoll.html
> friesian(at)zoocrewphoto(dot)com > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > or part ragdoll. The temperment is described the same for both breeds. > And he has the look of one and the sound of another. friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 02 Mar 2006 08:29 GMT > http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/ragdoll.html I've checked out some websites, but unfortunately, most breeders show their cats early, and their show photos are all taken when they are 8 months to 2 years, before they are fully mature. On the website you mentioned, the top cat has a similar head to Jay Jay, but it is a side view, so I can't see it straight on. It appears to be thick like Jay Jay's head. The other two cats have smaller heads, but they may just be younger.
I had planned to hand out coupons for a discount on a photo session to Ragdoll breeders if they have older mature cats and want to teach me about the breed. But there weren't any Ragdoll breeders at the last show. I hope to get a mailer out tomorrow to the breeders I have seen at previous shows. I would love to see some older Ragdolls. I want to see if they have the same walk as Jay Jay, the same sounds, and some of the other "quirks" I see with Jay Jay.
Margarita Salt - 27 Feb 2006 13:39 GMT Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> We found a stray who we believe was at least part Maine Coon. He > had all of the characteristics, tufts in the ears, ruff, tufts on [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >> Is what I heard correct? Do maine coons just not live very long? Everyone here mentions weight topping out around 16 and being fat. If this guy weighed that much he'd be skinny. I'm telling ya, he was BIG.
:) Gorgeous face, though, and his card described his coat as blue mackerel tabby.
Glad to hear he's not in sunset years.
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Buddy - 27 Feb 2006 14:15 GMT Here is another picture that better shows his face
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~colonialamerica/mc.jpg
Margarita Salt - 27 Feb 2006 14:26 GMT Buddy <armshome@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Here is another picture that better shows his face > > http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~colonialamerica/mc.jpg That's cute! That's the nose Kama (the adoptee) has. I thionk it's pretty.
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Grawun - 27 Feb 2006 14:58 GMT Please get back there and take that cat home! My MC girl must be 9 or 10 by now and is beautiful and playful and smart and gentle and the most loving cat I have ever known. I would never have another breed. I have never heard that they might have a shorter life span. Whatever time you might have with this cat you will be thankful for.
Joe Canuck - 27 Feb 2006 15:10 GMT > Please get back there and take that cat home! > My MC girl must be 9 or 10 by now and is beautiful and playful and > smart and gentle and the most loving cat I have ever known. I would > never have another breed. I have never heard that they might have a > shorter life span. Whatever time you might have with this cat you will > be thankful for. Don't encourage the abuser to take another cat home that will be subsequently subjected to a declaw procedure.
Charlie Wilkes - 27 Feb 2006 15:17 GMT >Please get back there and take that cat home! >My MC girl must be 9 or 10 by now and is beautiful and playful and >smart and gentle and the most loving cat I have ever known. I would >never have another breed. I have never heard that they might have a >shorter life span. Whatever time you might have with this cat you will >be thankful for. Yeah, I agree. This is a good cat for Brandy.
Another thing... if this cat is 6, he must have had a former owner, maybe some old person who died, or someone who gave him up. He's probably confused and sad. Someone needs to make things right for him.
Charlie
Buddy - 27 Feb 2006 14:15 GMT Here is another picture that better shows his face
http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~colonialamerica/mc.jpg
Claude V. Lucas - 27 Feb 2006 17:20 GMT >Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in >rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Glad to hear he's not in sunset years. At 6, he's barely an adult.
Bubba would be emaciated at 16 lbs.
Claude
Margarita Salt - 27 Feb 2006 17:28 GMT Claude V. Lucas <claudel@sonic.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>>Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in >>rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Claude I called over there to ask about him again, and he was adopted yesterday. You snooze, you lose. That's okay. Would not have been a good idea with Kami in her state. But I would consider a Coon in the future given all the positive comments about there here. And I like the bigger kitties (Kami was a 10-12 pounder at her peak, and she was not fat.)
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Buddy - 27 Feb 2006 17:39 GMT You mentioned Royal Canin food for MC. This only comes in the dry form. I may have misunderstood, but isn't it best to give males wet food vs. dry? I would like to find something that doesn't put the weight on him, but I don't want him to have blockage problems. He is on canned Fancy Feast now and does have loose feces - which isn't good with the long hair.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 01 Mar 2006 10:11 GMT > You mentioned Royal Canin food for MC. This only comes in the dry > form. I may have misunderstood, but isn't it best to give males wet > food vs. dry? Jay Jay has never eaten the wet food. I have tried several brands and flavors. He won't eat much of anything other than kibble. Not even a good piece of chicken or beef. He might eat something once, and look like he loves it, and then never touch it again. He's a bit strange.
But he does drink a lot of water. He likes it extra fresh, so I change his water bowl several times a day, and I see him drink.
The other boys (one currently, and a few in the past) ate mostly dry with some wet food. And they all did well. I suspect that some cats are more prone to it than others. I suppose it depends on how much they drink. Some cats don't drink a lot of water, so they need to get more moisture in their food.
I would like to find something that doesn't put the
> weight on him, but I don't want him to have blockage problems. He is > on canned Fancy Feast now and does have loose feces - which isn't good > with the long hair. You might try giving him some of each. He'd still have some wet, but the kibble might help clear up the loose feces. Jay Jay's were solid before I put him on the Royal Canin, but they were very stinky. I was having to scoop the litter 3 times a day, and instantly, after he went. The smell was horrible, and he doesn't cover. I'm surprised the neighbors couldn't smell it. After switching the food, the smell stopped. He still doesn't cover, but nobody gags. And he doesn't need to go as often. So, I am back to scooping the litter boxes once a day, sometimes twice. It's so much better than before. And no more junk stuck in his pantaloons. He had one shave done when I first got him, and it has all grown back with no need to shave again.
Buddy - 01 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT I think I will go out and try some Royal Canin and do the half and half routine for awhile. My MC does have a very stinky feces and the looseness is messy on his back side. Took forever to clean him up the other day and I don't want to cut it off - it is so fluffy and pretty when clean! He acts like he is burying it, but it clumsy and ends up with it on his front paws - just another mess. If it were more solid, this wouldn't be such an issue! Every day scooping is a must!
I took the strap off of my camera. My kitty was more interested in playing with the "string" than anything else. Now, he sees the camera and starts posing! I also give him lots of praise, etc. while doing the "photo shoot" - like they do for the professional models, you know?!! He loves it.
You might try giving him some of each. He'd still have some wet, but the kibble might help clear up the loose feces. Jay Jay's were solid before I put him on the Royal Canin, but they were very stinky. I was having to scoop the litter 3 times a day, and instantly, after he went.
The smell was horrible, and he doesn't cover. I'm surprised the neighbors couldn't smell it. After switching the food, the smell stopped. He still doesn't cover, but nobody gags. And he doesn't need to go as often. So, I am back to scooping the litter boxes once a day, sometimes twice. It's so much better than before. And no more junk stuck in his pantaloons. He had one shave done when I first got him, and it has all grown back with no need to shave again.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 02 Mar 2006 08:47 GMT > I think I will go out and try some Royal Canin and do the half and half > routine for awhile. My MC does have a very stinky feces and the > looseness is messy on his back side. Took forever to clean him up the > other day and I don't want to cut it off - it is so fluffy and pretty > when clean! When I first got Jay Jay, the vet ahved his rear, but they only did a small area, just enough to prevent messes, but not real obvious when he was walking away. And he still had plenty of fluff. You could probably ask a groomer to do a very slight shave. If the food works for you, you may not need to. Jay Jay wasn't too happy with me cleaning him in the rear, and it was less than a week after I got him, so I figured the shave was better for both us. Less stress for him, and no fight for me.
He acts like he is burying it, but it clumsy and ends up
> with it on his front paws - just another mess. If it were more solid, > this wouldn't be such an issue! Every day scooping is a must! Jay Jay attempts to cover, but he hasn't realized that he has to move. He's so long that his front feet are nowhere near the pile of poo. So, he's covering clean litter and leaving the pile out in the open. And he was having to go 2-3 times a day since it was so soft. It's so much nicer to have one good pile a day. (great subjects we talk about, huh?)
> I took the strap off of my camera. My kitty was more interested in > playing with the "string" than anything else. Now, he sees the camera > and starts posing! I also give him lots of praise, etc. while doing > the "photo shoot" - like they do for the professional models, you > know?!! He loves it. Jay Jay doesn't mind the camera. He just doesn''t like being asked to pose or perform. He's great for the "laying the walkway" or "snoozing on the cat tree" poses. Not so good at being asked to sit on a table with a backdrop. And he really pouted with the grass skirt. Chase and Chester actually performed when wearing the grass skirt. I was going to a cat show with a Hawaiian theme, so I took photos of the cats doing the hula and used them in my display and my computer slide show.
He'll get used to it eventually. It would be easier if he actually liked some form of treat. He just doesn't seem to have a favorite treat or toy. I haven't found his form of currency yet.
T - 27 Feb 2006 21:04 GMT > I was at PetsMart today and, silly me, looked at the adoptables. There > was a card that said the resident's name was Kama (really!) and he was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Is what I heard correct? Do main coons just not live very long? Cosimo definitely had Maine Coon traits. Had to put him down on Valentines Day of this year becuase at 8 years old he had multiple issues not the least of which was liver failure.
Adopt anyhow. The cat you saw wants a home. That's my philosophy now - I don't care if I have them for ten years or two, as long as I can take care of them I'm ok.
Joe Canuck - 27 Feb 2006 21:20 GMT >> I was at PetsMart today and, silly me, looked at the adoptables. There >> was a card that said the resident's name was Kama (really!) and he was [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > don't care if I have them for ten years or two, as long as I can take > care of them I'm ok. Brandy needs therapy before she is allowed to adopt felines again.
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