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Depression in Old Cat After 1st Vet Visit in Years
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violetvache@yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 22:32 GMT Hello. I've posted here once or twice before about an old cat I inherited. All I knew about her when I inherited her was that she had been spayed and given initial shots (rabies, distemper, leukemia) when she was saved from the streets by my sister in 1994.
One of you was *so* nice and called my little babe a "grand old" cat, and she is. Or was--before I finally got her to a vet in January, where she received her first exam, teeth/tartar cleaning, shots, and microchipping in years (first and only microchipping).
In order to help my little girl, I have to be upfront and say this may have something to do with those "chicken or the egg" situations. I'm going through the worst period of stress in my life, so I don't know to what extent if any my kitty's very dramatic and upsetting behavioral changes are influenced by my depression and ill health.
1) Increased night-time restlessness and vocalization. Before the vet visit, she would often prowl our halls, but not meow. Now I've been without sleep ever since January because she meows for no perceptible reasons. She eats Fancy Feast exclusively, always has at least three water bowls and litter boxes available, and frequently little sips of milk. Her bowel movements have never been better.
2) Dramatic changes in daytime behavior. Of course it is that time of midwinter where everyone, animals or humans, get really down; and this is the time of year when vomiting has traditionally happened with her. But she doesn't want to get near me anymore in the ways she used to before the vet visit (and catching and trapping her that day is such an ugly memory, I actually rearranged furniture and mopped every floor in the house, so that there's no scent of fear pheromones leftover).
She's always ready and willing for a brushing, which I give her at least three or more times a day, and it's not a matter of *total* avoidance. She just has a kind of sad hopeless expression that I sincerely am not imagining. Last week, I took my queen bed apart in order to put the box spring and mattress on the floor. (She stopped being able to jump up this past autumn.) I thought she'd come and curl up with me the way she used to. She'll gladly sleep across the room on her cushion (in fact, that's what she's doing right now), but she sleeps almost round the clock--until it's time for me to sleep!
I'm sorry for rambling on so long, but I'm so sad about her aging. For some reason, her aging reminds me of my own (I'm 49), and vice versa. So-- Can someone just tell me if it's "normal" for a cat to just lose interest in living, or to come to life only at night, when she can avoid human beings?
I have to stress that I did not want to vaccinate her. I did so because I might relocate to a development where it is required, and now I feel so guilty, as if I somehow "did" this to her. The vet was female, an angel, and her staff was great. (The vet gave her a clean bill of health except for her teeth.)
Thank you all for reading and hopefully responding.
armshome@aol.com - 19 Feb 2006 22:55 GMT Did you have any blood work done? She may be hyperthyroid. The restlessness at night. I would have a complete blood work up done on her.
Vomiting is probably due to shedding the winter coat about now and she probably has hairballs?
49 is not old! Well - maybe for a cat!
She may be sleeping all day because she is bored. Do you encourage her to play?
violetvache@yahoo.com - 19 Feb 2006 23:04 GMT > Did you have any blood work done? She may be hyperthyroid. The > restlessness at night. I would have a complete blood work up done on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > She may be sleeping all day because she is bored. Do you encourage her > to play? Thanks! (And thanks to Anna, too.) No, I didn't have bloodwork done on her, and I suppose I'll have to go through all of that, especially 'cause the vet suggested I bring her in for a (sedated) teeth treatment. Funny thing is I have thyroid problems too.
But, no, the sleeping all day thing is definitely not because she has reason to be bored. She *does* generally sleep around the clock at this time of year; that part isn't unusual. It's just that she won't even jump up on a mattress I *know* she can still manage (especially with a "helper cushion" beside the lowered bed).
Thanks again for the suggestions and support.
Anna - 20 Feb 2006 01:58 GMT >Thanks! (And thanks to Anna, too.) No, I didn't have bloodwork done >on her, and I suppose I'll have to go through all of that, especially >'cause the vet suggested I bring her in for a (sedated) teeth >treatment. Funny thing is I have thyroid problems too. Didn't she just get the teeth cleaning done in January?
Anna
Anna - 19 Feb 2006 22:57 GMT >and she is. Or was--before I finally got her to a vet in January, >where she received her first exam, teeth/tartar cleaning, shots, and >microchipping in years (first and only microchipping). Did she have a full blood panel, urinalysis, and T4 test?
>1) Increased night-time restlessness and vocalization. Before the vet >visit, she would often prowl our halls, but not meow. Now I've been >without sleep ever since January because she meows for no perceptible Can be symptoms of hyperthyroidsim, ureamia (from kidney disease), hypertension or cognitive disfuction. If she didn't have the above testing, she should have it to find out if she has hyperthyroidism or kidney disease. If it's cognitive disfunction, she wakes up at night and is "confused" about where she is and cries out - it helps to answer her so she realizes where she is.
Anna
PawsForThought - 20 Feb 2006 02:07 GMT >> In order to help my little girl, I have to be upfront and say this may > have something to do with those "chicken or the egg" situations. I'm > going through the worst period of stress in my life, so I don't know to > what extent if any my kitty's very dramatic and upsetting behavioral > changes are influenced by my depression and ill health. Hi Violet, Cats are amazing creatures at picking up on our stress, so your kitty's recent behavior may be related to that. I would definitely get her checked out thoroughly though, including a full blood panel workup. I've done a lot of reading about vaccines, and some vets believe that they can (especially rabies) cause some behavioral changes. An interesting read is Dr. Martin Goldman's "The Nature of Animal Healing" - http://tinyurl.com/r6jpj
Lauren
violetvache@yahoo.com - 21 Feb 2006 12:15 GMT > Hi Violet, > Cats are amazing creatures at picking up on our stress, so your kitty's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > interesting read is Dr. Martin Goldman's "The Nature of Animal Healing" > - http://tinyurl.com/r6jpj Lauren, Rhonda, Margarita, and everyone else (except that awful person!)-- Thank you very much for the responses. The vet was kind but very emphatic during the visit about keeping me away from my dolly when I thought the vet and staff were "hurting" her. I started bawling like a baby, because at the age of anywhere between 12-15, my doll is of the age where I thought the vet would find something terribly wrong with her.
One other thing I forgot to mention. Our routine--mine as well as D.J.'s--is thrown off on a weekly basis by my elderly and slightly befuddled mother, who spends half the week at home and half with a sister (the sister who rescued D.J.). This sister has Mom up her house to alleviate the stress of elder care on me, but the weekly disruption of routine actually creates more stress than it solves.
For example, I'm an extremely quiet person who doesn't play the television loudly even when I'm totally alone. D.J. loves Easy Listening music, and I play it exclusively when we're alone. My mom, on the other hand, while not being deaf, has always been loud, messy, and, well, "Calamity Jane" even before she was old.
So maybe this start/stop of conflicting personalities is wearing on D.J. as much as it is on me. *That* was why I took D.J. for the innoculations. I'm waiting for the winter to end, and then I'm shipping out.
Oh, well, thanks for the chance to vent. Sincere thanks.
PawsForThought - 22 Feb 2006 13:46 GMT > Lauren, Rhonda, Margarita, and everyone else (except that awful > person!)-- Thank you very much for the responses. The vet was kind [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the age where I thought the vet would find something terribly wrong > with her. I'm sorry to hear how upsetting it was for you. I remember when I had my 17 year old cat at the vet and they were doing a procedure. I was out in the lobby and I could hear her meowing her head off. It was very upsetting to hear that. But I knew she was in good hands and that the treatment was absolutely necessary for her well-being.
> One other thing I forgot to mention. Our routine--mine as well as > D.J.'s--is thrown off on a weekly basis by my elderly and slightly [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > on the other hand, while not being deaf, has always been loud, messy, > and, well, "Calamity Jane" even before she was old. I''m sure that can't be easy to deal with. Do you think your mom would be open to wearing a pair of headphones when she watches TV?
> So maybe this start/stop of conflicting personalities is wearing on > D.J. as much as it is on me. *That* was why I took D.J. for the > innoculations. I'm waiting for the winter to end, and then I'm > shipping out. Best wishes. I hope things work out for you.
take care, Lauren
clifto - 22 Feb 2006 23:43 GMT >> Lauren, Rhonda, Margarita, and everyone else (except that awful >> person!)-- Thank you very much for the responses. The vet was kind [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > very upsetting to hear that. But I knew she was in good hands and that > the treatment was absolutely necessary for her well-being. When Julius had pleural effusions of unknown etiology, I had the vet show me how to drain his chest. I held Julius down while the vet demonstrated the procedure. Julius hollered and writhed and screamed, NOT because the procedure was uncomfortable, but because he *hated* being restrained. Immediately on his release, he laid down on the table and relaxed, *very* pleased with his newfound ability to take a deep breath.
Anyone who's pilled a cat knows hollering and screaming.
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violetvache@yahoo.com - 05 Mar 2006 13:23 GMT > I'm sorry to hear how upsetting it was for you. I remember when I had > my 17 year old cat at the vet and they were doing a procedure. I was > out in the lobby and I could hear her meowing her head off. It was > very upsetting to hear that. But I knew she was in good hands and that > the treatment was absolutely necessary for her well-being. So sorry for not responding to this, but the past two weeks have been the most depressing of *my* life, not to mention my baby's. All I know is that something changed after her vet visit--and I'm definitely open to the possibility that that "something" is partly ME. I spoke with the sweet vet yesterday about my allergies to DeeJay becoming so bad I can no longer sleep with her in my room.
All I can think about and dwell on is DeeJay's growing old. When I say to someone "she's only 13 or 14," I see that unspoken pity in their eyes for me as the deluded owner who thinks THIS cat is going to last until she's 30.
I spent all day yesterday reading archives about older cats, allergies to cats, what to do when your cat is literally making you ill. I found one post (or website, I can't remember) that said it isn't unusual for older cats to provoke worse allergies.
Anyway, the vet recommended a plug-in Feliway, which I will get tomorrow. I live in the Northeast US, and the number of sleepless nights because of DeeJay have taken a toll on me. I just wish I could find a site where the complete interdependence between a cat -caretaker and his or her cat is really really discussed in depth, because I'm just so sad about keeping DeeJay out of my room, I can die.
So Sorry to burden this group, but you all seem to know this deepest of feelings is. I didn't have the time to write when "Candace" posted, but my thougths and prayers are with you, Candace, in your trying times.
> > For example, I'm an extremely quiet person who doesn't play the > > television loudly even when I'm totally alone. D.J. loves Easy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I''m sure that can't be easy to deal with. Do you think your mom would > be open to wearing a pair of headphones when she watches TV? Lauren, you have no idea how much you're in my thoughts and prayers too, because no one in our entire family has *ever* defended me for making this suggestion (which my mother graciously acted on).
Thanks again, folks, and I hope today with your cats or kitties is a peaceful peaceful day.
PawsForThought - 05 Mar 2006 15:55 GMT violetvache@yahoo.com wrote:> Lauren, you have no idea how much you're in my thoughts and prayers
> too, because no one in our entire family has *ever* defended me for > making this suggestion (which my mother graciously acted on). > > Thanks again, folks, and I hope today with your cats or kitties is a > peaceful peaceful day. Hi Violet, I'm so sorry to hear about your continuing problems. I'm glad to hear though that your mom has gotten some headphones :)
As far as your cat allergy, I can make a recommendation to you based upon my husband's allergy to our cats and what worked for him. I have emailed you.
Lauren
violetvache@yahoo.com - 05 Mar 2006 17:35 GMT > As far as your cat allergy, I can make a recommendation to you based > upon my husband's allergy to our cats and what worked for him. I have > emailed you. Hi, Lauren. I haven't gotten the email yet (12:34 EST). If it doesn't come through by tomorrow, maybe you can re-email it.
Thank you so much.
PawsForThought - 05 Mar 2006 18:46 GMT > > As far as your cat allergy, I can make a recommendation to you based > > upon my husband's allergy to our cats and what worked for him. I have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thank you so much. Hi Violet, Sorry for the delay. You should have it now. Let me know and if not, I'll send again.
Lauren
---MIKE--- - 05 Mar 2006 18:17 GMT Violet wrote:
>>I spent all day yesterday reading >> archives about older cats, allergies to >> cats, what to do when your cat is >> literally making you ill. There are medications (some over the counter such as Sudafed and some prescription) that will control your allergy.
---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Rhonda - 20 Feb 2006 04:13 GMT Hi there,
I think the blood tests sound like a great idea. Sometimes animals can get sick at odd times that we believe is for another reason. I've heard of people thinking their cats were depressed because they (the humans, not the cat) went away on vacation, but it was just a coincidence. The cats had a medical problem.
I'd also run all of these symptoms past your vet. See if she thinks your cat might have a tooth infection or something else getting her down.
Sorry she's not feeling so well. If she really is physically sick, that could explain why she's avoiding you and sleeping more.
Hope you and the vet can find the answer,
Rhonda
> Hello. I've posted here once or twice before about an old cat I > inherited. Margarita Salt - 20 Feb 2006 06:17 GMT Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
> Hi there, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Hello. I've posted here once or twice before about an old cat I >> inherited. Get the pill as far back on the tongue as your can. Syroke her throat in ordoer to make her swallow, but watch to make sure shae has swallowed the pill/
I also have a issifule CRF kitty anmd every internetionion ts a new struggle. feel free tp adject me to gethher.
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IBen Getiner - 20 Feb 2006 07:06 GMT > Hello. I've posted here once or twice before about an old cat I > inherited. All I knew about her when I inherited her was that she had [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Thank you all for reading and hopefully responding. Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like with human mammals, depression sometimes follows. Of course, no one in here took me seriously when I made this observation about a year ago. Why, I do not know, since every mammal from a shrew to a great blue whale are internally identical in every respect. YOU did it because you just HAD to jump on the politically correct bandwagon and you used your kat to do it. LIVE with it. Just like your kitty now must do every day for the rest of her LIFE. This kind of stuff... needless stuff... makes me f.cking sick. The best thing you could do for your kat would be to give her away. Just make sure that he family you give her to are not Chinese. At least try to use your brain on that one...
IBen
LC - 20 Feb 2006 15:01 GMT >Of course, no one in here took me seriously <snip "IBen's" pity party> Take YOU seriously? Surely you jest, 'Puppy Wizard'?
LC~ Lord help anyone who would take crazy IBen seriously.
"Yes, unfortunately I was in the calaboose. The charge: Hate-crime. You can guess the rest." From: lappcatt@aol.com (IBen Getiner) Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Subject: Re: Nic is Dying (one and only reply to IBen but I had a question) Date: 5 Mar 2004 19:50:32 -0800 Message-ID: <6ba61564.0403051950.22d78a5a@posting.google.com>
clifto - 22 Feb 2006 07:26 GMT > Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, > after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > sure that he family you give her to are not Chinese. At least try to > use your brain on that one... Hey, Ben? You need about 5 grams of valium and 100 mg of potassium chloride.
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IBen Getiner - 22 Feb 2006 09:22 GMT > > Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, > > after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Therefore, no rude people are relevant. > -- Solomon W. Golomb Talk your evasive krap all the live-long day but it's just like I said a while back... You arbitrarily remove a female cat's female parts and you get the same problems that female humans get... Depression for starters. Here is another example of what your kind of reasoning has delivered.... ANOTHER SICK CAT (and of course, another befuddled owner). You must be proud!
IBen Getiner
clifto - 22 Feb 2006 23:39 GMT >> > Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, >> > after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > delivered.... ANOTHER SICK CAT (and of course, another befuddled > owner). You must be proud! I am, Ben. I'm VERY proud. Thank you for speculating.
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IBen Getiner - 23 Feb 2006 04:42 GMT > >> > Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, > >> > after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > I am, Ben. I'm VERY proud. Thank you for speculating. Good! Then we have that much settled! I have shown you where you are an insensitive son of a bitch. You have agreed. You see.... it iz YOU who needs the 5 grams of valium and 100 mg of potassium chloride. Not I. I love cats. I love them enough NOT to have their ballz cut out or their ovaries removed arbitrarily. Especially when there's no reason on earth to do it with an inside job. You on the other hand approve of it. And why? Who told you to think this way, Kliff..? I was attempting to help this lady here see that her blatant misdeeds are what led to her cat's depression. SHE is to blame. SHE is at fault. Because she thinks and acts just like you. And you say you are proud of it..... You're much sicker than I thought, Kliff. Double the recommended dosage.... Fuckin' insensitive jerk-off AZZHOLE
IBen
<snip horseshit drivel>
dgk - 23 Feb 2006 13:52 GMT >> >> > Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, >> >> > after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> > sure that he family you give her to are not Chinese. At least try to >> >> > use your brain on that one... Ben, even PETA agrees that cats should be neutered. Either or just let them out to be run over because they'll be climbing the walls.
clifto - 23 Feb 2006 22:56 GMT > You see.... it iz YOU who needs the 5 grams of valium and 100 mg of > potassium chloride. Not I. I love cats. I love them enough NOT to have > their ballz cut out or their ovaries removed arbitrarily. Especially > when there's no reason on earth to do it with an inside job. You on the > other hand approve of it. And why? Who told you to think this way, > Kliff..? Every single year when the weather turns to bone-chilling frigid, my first thoughts are for the poor animals stuck out in it. If more of them were neutered/castrated, fewer of them would be out there fighting for the tiny bits of available food and the few safe, comparatively warm spots to hide from the death-dealing frost.
Every time I visit a shelter, I see all those homeless animals who wouldn't have been born to uncaring bozos and feral animals; and that's not even to give a thought to the shelters that kill them after a short time. One of my own was obtained by my nephew by walking into a shelter and adopting the cat next cited for the gas chamber.
Neutered cats don't torture themselves in heat a week out of every month. Castrated cats don't spray or get overly aggressive. They all make better pets.
You find caring homes for ALL those animals and I'll be the first one to join your little crusade.
 Signature All relevant people are pertinent. All rude people are impertinent. Therefore, no rude people are relevant. -- Solomon W. Golomb
whayface - 22 Feb 2006 13:46 GMT >> Yeah... You 'did this to her' This happened, just like I said it would, >> after you gave her the needless hysterectomy operation. And just like [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Hey, Ben? You need about 5 grams of valium and 100 mg of potassium chloride. Among other things !!
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