Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2006
Innova and better looking cats
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treeline12345@yahoo.com - 12 Feb 2006 19:01 GMT Someone mentioned their cat looked better, nicer fur, using Innova, as opposed to Science Diet. Since that thread, originally the low phosphorus thread, is way over 100 posts and Google has stopped numbering the posts when being viewed, for the time being, I am starting a new thread if that's okay. If not, not sure what to do, delete the thread?
In any case, I have been using Science Diet Light Maintenance with my cat. It controlled the weight very well until she was overfed by some zealots.
I did notice that her fur was dryish. So I started giving wet food, primarily Science Diet cans at first, usually the Turkey Entree. And her fur definitely improved. So my immediate conclusion was that dry food was not that great. It is inexpensive and easy but my cat goes after dry food like, oops, need an "as" here since it's a clause, as I go after pretzels. A junk food addiction. She really just likes Science Diet. Next comes Royal Canin Indoor Cat. Last is Purina Weight Management Forumala, for dry foods. For her preferences. The Purina is fabulous since she does not like it - she will eat it but more slowly so her weight is coming down. The SD Light she loves now. It took a while. She originally loved the original SD non-Light, even when she was a feral. But even as a feral, she was always rather civilized and dignified so that's curious. I cannot find any evidence that she was ever domesticated. But when I took her in and gave her a litter box, she used it immediately, so I am baffled as to her history. The neighbors told me they could not entice her inside. She was too skittish. I'm not quite sure why she let me kidnap, rather, catnap her.
Corey Kaye - 12 Feb 2006 21:34 GMT <spip cat food experience>
I'm glad that you've found what works for your cats :)
Here's my experience (which spans about 20 years):
My first kitty was fed grocery store food. Nine Lives dry free-fed and a small can of wet food twice a day. The wet was either Fancy Feast or Nine Lives. Her coat was usually dry, her teeth needed cleaning fairly regularly, and she was euthanized at 7 due to acute kidney failure.
After that, we had several cats which were fed petsmart food--Nature's Best, Nutro, Eukanuba, Iams, Science Diet, etc. They had okay coats, large and smelly stools, and teeth that needed cleaning. We still believed in indoor/outdoor cats then, and these kitties dissapeared before they got very old.
For the past 10 years or so, I've always fed ultra-premium. That includes California Naturals, Wellness, Innova and Felidae. I had a dog that had MANY allergies, and did very well on Cal Nat, but couldn't tollerate Innova--so I thought Cal Nat was the best, and fed that to my dogs and cats. They looked good, but one cat, Celia, always had a greasy coat with mats. When I brought all of my animals to my mother's house, I noticed Celia's coat lost the grease and the mats. Mom fed Innova.
Since then, I've been a big believer in Innova. All the animals improved when I switched to Innova. I have cats from 8-2 that have fabulous coats, perfect teeth, no ear problems, great muscle tone. My vets always comment on how great they look, and are surprised that the older cats don't even look close to needing dentals.
Now, with Ginger's CRF bloodwork, I have Royal Canin Mature 27 in one feeder, Innova lite in one feeder, and regular Innova in a third feeder. I also have Hill's z/d out for my IBD cat, but she seems to prefer the regular Innova and doesn't have IBD episodes when she eats it. (The dogs all eat regular Innova dog food.)
Ginger, lest you think her issues are because of the food, is one weird cat. I truly believe that she's highly inbred. She has quite a few issues--I don't think she can see all that well, she has oddly shaped front legs, an oddly shaped head, she's missing teeth, and her kidneys are about half normal size. Perhaps I should have been feeding her a low protein/low phos food since she was a kitten, but no vet had mentioned the small kidney size until now. Since she's been eating the Royal Canin, and we started her on sub-q fluids, she's been acting much better, so hopefully we're going in the right direction regarding her labs. :)
So, that's my experience with cat food. :)
Corey
Rhonda - 13 Feb 2006 04:11 GMT Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference between Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same company. I chose California Natural because it has fewer ingredients and we have some cats with sensitive stomachs. Having gone through heck in the past with one cat with IBD/pancreatitus, I thought this might be good for all of them.
Rhonda
> For the past 10 years or so, I've always fed ultra-premium. That includes > California Naturals, Wellness, Innova and Felidae. I had a dog that had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Since then, I've been a big believer in Innova. All the animals improved > when I switched to Innova. Joe Canuck - 13 Feb 2006 04:13 GMT > Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference between > Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same company. I There is a *huge* difference between those two foods... by the same company.
> chose California Natural because it has fewer ingredients and we have > some cats with sensitive stomachs. Having gone through heck in the past [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Since then, I've been a big believer in Innova. All the animals improved >> when I switched to Innova. treeline12345@yahoo.com - 13 Feb 2006 04:23 GMT > > Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference between > > Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same company. I
> There is a *huge* difference between those two foods... by the same > company. Which is? I went to the web site. The phosphorus levels for Innova were 0.90% which is a little over the top. I was a bit surprised. But it's not too bad. I like 0.80% max, but 0.90% is okay if everything else is in place?
Maybe the phosphorus levels for California Natural are a little lower?
Rhonda - 13 Feb 2006 05:42 GMT >> Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference between >> Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same company. I > > There is a *huge* difference between those two foods... by the same > company. Okay, go ahead. I'm listening...
Rhonda
treeline12345@yahoo.com - 13 Feb 2006 10:52 GMT > >> Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference between > >> Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same company. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rhonda Say it ain't so, Joe.
Forgive me, I couldn't help it. For those who don't know, that was what the little boy said to Shoeless Joe Jackson about fixing the World Series of Baseball in 1919. Four score and seven years ago... and I don't even watch baseball. All those men running around with clubs, shouting at each other. Is that not what cats do - minus the bats and balls? I just can't get the cat to run the bases. No more uniforms for her.
Joe Canuck - 13 Feb 2006 12:34 GMT >>> Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference >>> between Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Rhonda The differences are pretty much in plain sight and can be figured out with information from the Natura site.
Some items to lead you in the right direction...
-Caloric content per given volume of Innova is much higher. I'd be a little concerned about weight gain particularly if free feeding.
-Ingredient list of Innova pretty much reads like a human meal, not all cats can adapt to this with sometimes the result being voluminous eliminations and odor that can peel paint.
-There are differences with respect to the nutritional analysis which you have already noted, specifically with respect to phosphorous. Neither one is really great; however, California Natural is better.
-Natura push the notion of "human grade"; however, there is no such thing as "human grade". That is designed to appeal more to the human purchasing the food rather than the specific nutritional needs to the cat consuming it.
Note, I'm not saying it is bad food.
Phil P. - 13 Feb 2006 17:47 GMT > >>> Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference > >>> between Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > purchasing the food rather than the specific nutritional needs to the > cat consuming it. Good summary.
One more point- Innova swapped grains for potatoes-- which have a higher glycemic index. This could be problem for some cats- especially diabetic and pre-diabetic cats.
Joe Canuck - 13 Feb 2006 22:45 GMT >>>>> Hmmm, I wouldn't think there would be all that much difference >>>>> between Innova and California Natural -- they're made by the same [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > glycemic index. This could be problem for some cats- especially diabetic > and pre-diabetic cats. Yep, good point.
...and, as you know I used to be a big fan of California Natural. But with all the moving around I've done in the last few years obtaining that food became very troublesome and I was starting to question whether it was really worth it given some of your comments in this group. I also didn't want to be constantly switching food on Molly.
So I decided to switch to a food that is available everywhere, including northern Quebec... Science Diet. Molly has been doing quite well on the Chicken & Rice dry formula I have been feeding.
I'd like to try moving her over to canned one more time... but I'll wait until my personal situation stabilizes somewhat before attempting that. I'm not even sure her digestive tract can tolerate the canned given the troubles she had the last time I tried it. I still feel guilty for subjecting her to all that messiness... even though she loves canned. I can still remember her desperately tryna clean her rear... then finally looking up at me with eyes that I'm sure said "Help!".
D. - 14 Feb 2006 01:10 GMT > I'd like to try moving her over to canned one more time... but I'll wait > until my personal situation stabilizes somewhat before attempting that. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can still remember her desperately tryna clean her rear... then finally > looking up at me with eyes that I'm sure said "Help!". Hodge can get diarrhea from high-moisture canned, so when I tried out some I also gave him some kibble to see if that helped.
He's on Hill's c/d now, which seems good for him, although I could wish it were just a bit higher moisture.
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treeline12345@yahoo.com - 14 Feb 2006 13:44 GMT > > I'd like to try moving her over to canned one more time... but I'll wait > > until my personal situation stabilizes somewhat before attempting that. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He's on Hill's c/d now, which seems good for him, although I could wish > it were just a bit higher moisture. When I talked with Hill's, I think they suggested adding water to the kibble for more moisture. Sounds good but then the kibble turns mushy and I don't think my cat likes mushy foods. Although if that all she is served, then she might eat it.
In any case, I have a few pieces of Oral Care from Hill's that I give her whenever I feed her canned or mushy food. I would like to think it cleans the teeth. It has an endorsement on it for that. Now I think the ordinary kibble might also help the teeth if it has an endorsement? But not if mushy. Moisture is more important than anything so I share your concern. Adding some water should increase the moisture. Somehow, some way. How much may turn this into a demanding exercise in mush versus dry kibble spectrum.
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