Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / February 2006
taking Kira to the vet - a couple questions
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friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 09 Feb 2006 07:25 GMT I'm taking Kira to the vet in the morning. Hopefully, a few people on the east coast will see this before I go.
It may be nothing at all, but am concerned. She's a couple times where she was either constipated, blocked, or having a stomach ache. The first time was a mild version of what happened a few years ago. That time, the vet did a hands on exam and didn't find anything, but she felt better, so it seemed like the massage had done the trick. So, I did a massage and she stopped grubling, purred, and ate about half an hour later.
Then, yesterday, it happened again. This time, when I massaged her, she didn't feel full, but I felt something that might have been normal, might have been a mass. Shortly after that, she barfed up a hairball and some kibble. Today, she puked again, a good size amount of kibble, just eaten. She has been having more hiarballs than normal lately.
She seems to be eating and going to the bathroom fine most of the time, and she acts normal. But all of this together has me worried that she has a partial blockage, or that she's getting impacted or something.
I was already planning to get the senior bloodwork panel at her next exam, so I will definitely get that done. I will also get an x-ray.
My questions:
Any other ideas of what these symptoms might be?
Are there any other tests I should ask for or expect before we get blood test results?
Will an x-ray show a tumor if she has one?
If she has some kind of cancer, what tests will show it? Is that something that will show up in the bloodwork?
Kira is 11 1/2 years old. Balinese. Small frame, light weight. Appetite is normal, Bathroom habits seem normal, and her activity seems normal. No previous health problems other than the one time 3 or 4 years ago.
Hopefully, it is nothing big. I just hate going to the vet with no idea what to ask, and worrying about the worst possibilities (cancer, organ failure).
-L. - 09 Feb 2006 10:50 GMT > I'm taking Kira to the vet in the morning. Hopefully, a few people on > the east coast will see this before I go. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Any other ideas of what these symptoms might be? Sounds like possible partial soft blockage from hair - I went through that with my Peewee a couple years ago.
> Are there any other tests I should ask for or expect before we get > blood test results? > > Will an x-ray show a tumor if she has one? More than likely. There are some intestinal tumors which require contrast media to show well.
> If she has some kind of cancer, what tests will show it? Is that > something that will show up in the bloodwork? If you are concerned about intestinal cancer, the most common is lymphoma and that can only be diagnosed by biopsy. Usually lymphoma will present as diarrhea off and on, sometimes coupled with intermitent constipation. Doesn't sound like she's having those symptoms. A geriatric blood panel will check organ function, if you are worried about things like liver cancer.
> Kira is 11 1/2 years old. Balinese. Small frame, light weight. Appetite > is normal, Bathroom habits seem normal, and her activity seems normal. > No previous health problems other than the one time 3 or 4 years ago. She may just have some loss of tone in her intestines and colon (due to age) and so food isn't moving through as rapidly as it used to - this can be a problem if it gets trapped with hair.
> Hopefully, it is nothing big. I just hate going to the vet with no idea > what to ask, and worrying about the worst possibilities (cancer, organ > failure). Organ failure will be caught with blood screen. You might want to add some lubrication to her diet to keep the hair moving through her. I took Peewee OFF of hairball control food and that solved his problems completely - it seems the fiber was too much for him, and he wasn't getting enough water for the food to do what it is designed to do. I switched him to a "complete care" chow made by Nutro (always has had 3 oz canned food twice daily) and now he hasn't had any problems for the last 6 mos or so.
Good luck and let us know what you find out. -L.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 09 Feb 2006 13:34 GMT > Sounds like possible partial soft blockage from hair - I went through > that with my Peewee a couple years ago. What did you have to do to solve it? I have tried hairball remedies a couple times, but Kira hates them. I have to force it down her, and I don't know if even helped. She used to pass the hair in her stool. She didn't used to have hairballs, except once every couple months or so. Now it is every week or so.
> She may just have some loss of tone in her intestines and colon (due to > age) and so food isn't moving through as rapidly as it used to - this > can be a problem if it gets trapped with hair. > > Organ failure will be caught with blood screen. You might want to add > some lubrication to her diet to keep the hair moving through her. I have a friend who has to give her cat a lubricant that keeps her from getting impacted. I can't remember the name. I did a search on the newsgroup a few weeks ago to learn about it. She was upset about the cost and wanted a cheaper alternative. But from the posts here, it sounded like it was ideal for her cat;s problem and highly recommended. She felt much better about it when I gave her the information. She didn't feel the vet was pushing something expensive after seeing it confirmed by non-biased people.
If it is something like that, I will count myself lucky. That would be much better than finding something like cancer.
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> took Peewee OFF of hairball control food and that solved his problems > completely - it seems the fiber was too much for him, and he wasn't > getting enough water for the food to do what it is designed to do. Hmm. I did change her main food several months ago. She still has access to several other foods, but she eats mostly the new food. I'll see what comes up at the vet. If it might be food related, I may try a different kind. Currently, she is on the mature formula, though she helps herself to the maine coon food too.
> Good luck and let us know what you find out. > -L. Thanks. I will.
armshome@aol.com - 09 Feb 2006 12:55 GMT I don't think 11 1/2 is that old, but as they age, the hairballs don't pass through as easily as they did before. Perhaps some hairball control food would help. I once had a cat that eliminated 13 hairballs - one after another for 13 days. Incredible.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 09 Feb 2006 13:37 GMT > I don't think 11 1/2 is that old, but as they age, the hairballs don't > pass through as easily as they did before. Perhaps some hairball > control food would help. I once had a cat that eliminated 13 hairballs > - one after another for 13 days. Incredible. Yikes!
Kira used to pass it in her stool, rarely having a hairball. Then it started getting to be once a month or so. Now it is once a week, and she does that cough thing a couple times in a day before she actually hacks it up.
Yesterday, it was a small hairball and a portion of food, just eaten. Today, it was just food, no hair.
I do hope that it is something this simple. If so, a change in diet, or supplement should be the solution.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 10 Feb 2006 01:14 GMT I just got back from the vet. Things look good.
The vet didn't feel anything abnormal, so he didn't think an x-ray was necessary. Most likely, she just needs some lubricant. I got some tuna flavored hairball medicine that she seemed more okay with than the malt stuff I had tried before (previous cat loved the malt stuff and would attack the container if I left it out).
They did theblood draw and the results will be back tomorrow. Her temperature was fine, and everything else seemed fine. Her weight was actually up from when she went to the vet about 5 months ago (she had split a nail, so I had it checked).
Also, she may have passed the rest of a hairball last night. My dad knew I wanted to go the vet and why, but it didn't occur to him to mention it until we were at the vet's office. He found what looked to him like some poop with a string in it. He does know to inspect odd stuff, so he looked at it more closely when he cleaned it up. The "string" came apart and wasn't really a foreign object. And he said it was creamy colored (he's partially colorblind, so that may be the same yellow/brown that I see in her hairballs. Anyway, it sounds like she might have hacked up or passed another hairball. I wish he had shown it to me. I'm familiar with her hairballs, so I would know if looked like something from her. And while they are hacked up, they do kinda look like pieces of poop sometimes, rather than vomit. From his description, it sonds like a hairball.
Anyway, the vet is confident that she is fine. Just needs hairball stuff every day for a few days and then twice a week. If it doesn't clear up, we can do further tests, but he doesn't think we'll need to do that.
I also took Jay Jay and got his vaccinations done. I adopted him almost a year ago, and I'm taking him to a show next weekend (household pet class), so he was due. He was a good boy and everything looked good.
I am feeling much better. Piece of mind is a great thing.
armshome@aol.com - 10 Feb 2006 01:34 GMT Peace of mind IS a great thing! Good for you! There are some hairball remedies that are available as treats - my kitty loves them and they do work. That way you aren't having to dose them with the laxatone - especially if they don't like it. They really just need more fiber as they get older and probably more grooming. Let us know how she is doing.
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 10 Feb 2006 03:09 GMT > Peace of mind IS a great thing! Good for you! Yes. I had already decided that a vet trip was in order, and Thursday was my next day off. If it had been an emergency, I would have gone sooner, but my favorite vet is 30-45 minutes away depending on traffic, so a vet trip is a good 2-3 hours, not something I want to do on a work day if I can avoid it. I am a night owl, so I typically go be bed around 5 or 6am. And I get up for work at noon.
But I got more worried after a bad dream. I dreamed that I walked into the laundry room and found her dead on the floor. In the dream, she looked diry and neglected for a long time. My first reaction in the dream was to feel horrible that I had not been there with her when she died, and my second reaction was anger at myself for letting her get neglected like that. When I woke up, I was relieved to find her on the bed next to me, clean and content. But I knew that my mind was working on this problem in my sleep, and it was telling me that the signs are there. I don't dare ignore them. And that scared me more, wondering if I was aware of something unconsciously, and that maybe she was worse than I wanted to believe. So, I was working up some serious fear.
I lost Maynard last May, and he might have lived longer had I done bloodwork twice a year and caught the spike in the liver values before his ears turned yellow. He had a long life, but I still feel bad that I didn't catch that. And Kira is a high stress kitty. My first two cats, Fiona and Maynard, were both easy going cats. I think that gives them an advantage health-wise. They both lived to be 18, while the other cats in the household (dominant with more stress in their lives) lived to 14-16 years. So, I feel I need to make every effort I can to pad the odds in her favor in other areas. She's more fragile in some ways.
It was well worth the trip. The close vet (10 minutes away) is competent, but I know they push for extra tests to bring in more money. I have to be on my guard more with them, and I can't always trust them. And they have multiple vets. They all seem nice, but they are always new to me. My regular vet office has only two vets, so we know them better.One has been there over 20 years. The second one has been there 8 or 9 years. I know I can trust them.
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> remedies that are available as treats - my kitty loves them and they do > work. That way you aren't having to dose them with the laxatone - > especially if they don't like it. They really just need more fiber as > they get older and probably more grooming. Let us know how she is > doing. Kira's not much into treats. She usually sniffs them and walks away. Both crunchy and soft. So, I gave up on those. She's a bit strange. She comes running (and sniffing) anytime I have something with garlic or bbq sauce. I have to defend my food from her. But she hates most other things. She will turn away plain roast beef, but go nuts if I bring home a package with garlic roast beef.
I forgot to ask about the teeth cleaning. Hers were pretty icky, so when they call with the blood results, I will check into that. I know they like to do bloodwork before that, so I want to schedule it for fairly soon, as long as her results are good. That was the only thing that turned up in her exam.
-L. - 10 Feb 2006 07:20 GMT > I just got back from the vet. Things look good. <snip>
Excellent. If it continues to be a problem, Google "Peewee" and "hairball" and you will probably find my multiple posts about my trials with my big guy. Like I said before, the change in food seems to be what has cured him completely <touch wood> so you might keep your change in food in mind if it continues to be problematic.
-L.
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