Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / March 2004
Frequent, Watery Vomiting
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MaryL. - 21 Mar 2004 17:18 GMT My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though most of the house is wood floors....argh!
On a more serious note, though, the vomit is not "regular" vomiting...he usually produces a little pool of watery vomit that is dark in color, almost chocolatey in tone. There is a little bit of food matter in it, but for the most part it is mainly liquidy. It is not bloody, however. About the time he started doing this we were giving him a new food from his regular food, and one that was considerably darker in color, so we assumed he just did not like that food in his stomach over the regular brand...but since we have switched back to the regular stuff, and yet it is still dark and he is still vomiting.
Does anyone have any idea why a cat would vomit mostly watery, chocolate colored stuff? Any tips on soothing his tummy? I know in the end a trip to the vet is the best idea, but money is SO tight now...I'm hoping to be able to soothe/resolve this myself if possible. Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help!
equalizer - 21 Mar 2004 18:51 GMT >My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of >course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or >just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help! When one of mine did that, it turned out being very bad hairballs. He couldn't keep anything down. I gave him hairball remedy and he finally coughed the thing up.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 21 Mar 2004 19:01 GMT >My cat for a few days now has been >vomiting a few times a day <snip>
>Does anyone have any idea why a cat >would vomit mostly watery, chocolate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >something really serious, or just a >stomach flu, irritation, etc? The answer should be obvious. The cat needs to see a vet ASAP. So what if money is tight. Did it occur to you that sitting on your butt and watching your cat deteriorate could result in higher vet bills???? Sheesh, if this was a child exhibiting these symptoms you could be cited for neglect for waiting so long and doing nothing. I have no patience anymore for people like you that already know what the *right* answer to their question is, but in the name of saving a few dollars will let their cat suffer. Take your cat to the vet.
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MaryL. - 22 Mar 2004 01:49 GMT > The answer should be obvious. The cat needs to see a vet ASAP. So what > if money is tight. Did it occur to you that sitting on your butt and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their question is, but in the name of saving a few dollars will let > their cat suffer. Take your cat to the vet. Now I honestly regret posting here, looking for advice. The very fact that I did should show that I am concerned about things. What else is this board for, then? If I wanted to trade cute cuddly wuddly cat stories, I would have gone to a board such as that, rather than one about cat health. And it goes a bit further monetarily than "saving a few dollars" so I can go get that new coat or something...I'm talking about not being able to make house payments anymore because I was laid off due to the state's budget mess. Granted, not an excuse, but when you are frantically trying to get enough money together to make house payments and are eating one meal a day because you cannot spend so much as $5.00 for lunch, things are not so simple as you might think. I have taken cats to the vet so many times for this or that, only to be told, "Oh, that'll just take time," or "there is no way to really tell, so let's just wait and see," or be given medicine that does no good whatsoever. More than once I have had vets tell me that they really have no idea what it could be, now please fork over $100 for the visit and the exam, thank you very much.
I came here looking for constructive advice, similar experiences, and some clue as to what the source could conceivably be, not to be ripped on because I did give a damn. I guess I misconceived what this board is for. And please do not flame "my" email...I am using someone else's account to post this, and it would not be fair to her to get slammed for my misconceptions.
Wendy - 22 Mar 2004 02:55 GMT > > The answer should be obvious. The cat needs to see a vet ASAP. So what > > if money is tight. Did it occur to you that sitting on your butt and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > else's account to post this, and it would not be fair to her to get > slammed for my misconceptions. The frequency and the color of the vomit would concern me. Try calling the vet and explaining your situation and see if they can work something out.
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Meghan Noecker - 22 Mar 2004 06:05 GMT >> Now I honestly regret posting here, looking for advice. The very fact >> that I did should show that I am concerned about things. What else is >> this board for, then? I'm sorry you got such a bad reaction.
I know I have asked for advice online. Not because I was avoiding vet care, but because I couldn't go right away (I get home from work at 11pm, so when I discover a problem, I usually have to wait until morning to go to the vet). If I ask questions online, I can get answers from people around the world during the night or morning people on the east coast. It helps me know what to ask and what possibilities I am dealing with.
There have also been times when I have been to the vet and been unsatisfied with the results. They can't always determine what is wrong, so I find myself still looking for information.
So, depending on the situation, I may wait a day or two before going to the vet. If it was serious, such as the time my cat had an abcess, I discovered the abcess at 3am, and was to the vet by 9am. But if the cat is eating fine and doesn't show any obvious symptoms, I will wait to see if it is actually bad or not.
I've taken a cat to the vet on easter sunday (and paid the premium) when I was sure she was very ill. I was glad I did it even though the vet didn't find anything. His massage during the exam seemed to do the trick, and she was much happier. But in that case, I woke up to a growling cat. I *knew* something was horribly wrong.
When my elderly cat was losing weight, I took her to 3 vets with no good advice whatsoever. I spent lots of money, and all they did was try to sell me their special food, but she wanted nothing to do with any of them.
So, I can see why sometimes it might be okay to wait while other times are not okay to wait. Sometimes we have to do our best to make the right decision.
Attacking somebody for asking on this group is not going to help. This only encourages them to leave. If the problem sounds serious, then simply say, "This sounds serious, better take him to the vet."
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Mary - 22 Mar 2004 08:29 GMT Meghan N. wrote:
> When my elderly cat was losing weight, I took her to 3 vets with no > good advice whatsoever. I spent lots of money, and all they did was [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > only encourages them to leave. If the problem sounds serious, then > simply say, "This sounds serious, better take him to the vet." I agree. Gnarly was Vomit Queen. I took her in so many times and got nothing but suggestions like, "could she have been eating any houseplants?" and eventually just was prescribed some pills that would stop her from vomiting. This is the cat that lived to be 20 and had every single one of her teeth when she died. I wasted tons of money flipping out because she hurled on a regular basis. Sure, take them to the vet. But if you're in tight straits, and it is something that has happened before and your judgment tells you to seek other solutions before the vet, trust your judgment. My cat had her Science Diet (top of the line in 1990, folks) when I had pasta with no sauce. But there were plenty of times I didn't take her to the vet every time she had a stomach problem.
Meghan Noecker - 22 Mar 2004 12:32 GMT >I agree. Gnarly was Vomit Queen. I took her in so many times and got >nothing but suggestions like, "could she have been eating any >houseplants?" Yes, Maynard vomits about once every couple weeks. It's a little green, and most likely one of the plants he insists on getting into. None of them are poisonous, but he still barfs them every time. Chase eats it with no problem. Anyway, he is always fine afterward amd eats well. So, it's not a big deal.
I have a dog that hacks all the time. Sounds like a cat with a hairball, but the vet says it is because her heart is pushing on her windpipe. Her heart condition is not serious as long as we keep her weight under control and don't let her overdo it exercise-wise. So, other than noting that she's coughing more (and must have gained weight), I don't get worried. I just adjust her diet a bit.
And same thing with the food and money. My dog gains weight on air, so she gets green beans as filler in her meals and also green beans as her evening snack before bed. Because of the heart issue, I buy the no salt added version which is only available in the more expensive brand. I do stock up like crazy when it is on sale, but I always get the better kind for her. I'm expecting to go on strike in May, and I'm stocking up on food and supplies just in case. Green beans, dog food, cat food, and kitty litter are all on my special list. It may get very tight this summer, but I plan to have them fully stocked for at least 3 months worth by the time May arrives. If they need vet care during that time, I will have to borrow. No other way around it.
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Mary - 22 Mar 2004 17:29 GMT "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote :
> I'm expecting to go on strike in May, and I'm > stocking up on food and supplies just in case. Green beans, dog food, > cat food, and kitty litter are all on my special list. Wow, a strike! So few vocations are unionized now, more should be. I'm sorry you will have to go through some hardship, but happy that you and your colleagues have a voice.
>It may get very > tight this summer, but I plan to have them fully stocked for at least > 3 months worth by the time May arrives. If they need vet care during > that time, I will have to borrow. No other way around it. Sometimes it really is hard. I was so lucky Gnarly was so tough and healthy. Had she gotten sick and needed surgery, things were so tight in my college days I don't know what I could have done. I know I would have found a way, but I do sympathize for those who have trouble with vet bills. You can't do your cat a lot of good if BOTH of you are homeless, after all.
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Meghan Noecker - 23 Mar 2004 08:58 GMT >Sometimes it really is hard. I was so lucky Gnarly was so >tough and healthy. Had she gotten sick and needed [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >can't do your cat a lot of good if BOTH of >you are homeless, after all. Last spring, my animals were ganging up on me. Jenny had her mange, and the week before her final treatment, Maynard had his abcess. So, just as I was finishing off the $400+ in bills over 3 months for Jenny, I found out Maynard was going to cost over $200. I could have skipped the bloodwork, but at almost 17 years old, and a bit skinny, I opted to go ahead and go with it. And this was all 2 weeks before I was leaving on a 2 week trip. I had to borrow to pay the $243. My paycheck that very morning was only $230, so I had to borrow for teh remainder and then for expenses during the week. I ended up paying some bills late and getting dinged with late fees. So, in effect, it ended up costing me even more, but I did manage to do it. My cat came home that night feeling a ton better. I was lucky though, they said he was a great boy, and so cooperative that they did not have to drug him, so he saved me a little money there (good boy!).
And now, when I see the other cats harrassing him, I yell at them not to bite him in the a.s!
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Mary - 23 Mar 2004 17:34 GMT "Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote :
> Last spring, my animals were ganging up on me. Jenny had her mange, > and the week before her final treatment, Maynard had his abcess. So, > just as I was finishing off the $400+ in bills over 3 months for > Jenny, I found out Maynard was going to cost over $200. It isn't LIKE having kids, it IS having kids, isn't it?
> And now, when I see the other cats harrassing him, I yell at them not > to bite him in the a.s! What a good Mom! ;)
> Meghan & the Zoo Crew > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Meghan Noecker - 24 Mar 2004 09:05 GMT >"Meghan Noecker" <friesian@zoocrewphoto.com> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >It isn't LIKE having kids, it IS having kids, isn't it? well, I agree with you there, but I know not all pet owners would agree.
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Diane L. Schirf - 22 Mar 2004 14:21 GMT > I know I have asked for advice online. Not because I was avoiding vet > care, but because I couldn't go right away (I get home from work at > 11pm, so when I discover a problem, I usually have to wait until > morning to go to the vet). Just a side note -- does everyone have an emergency animal hospital in their area? There's one in Chicago, but I never thought I'd have to use it as Pudge was always in the peak of health. I do carry their card around, though. One Saturday last year around 4:00 p.m. (right around when the veterinary clinic closes), Hodge showed signs of apathy (he stopped biting me!), and by 5:00 I could tell he had a fever of some kind -- hot to the touch, tongue hanging out. My friend and I took him to the emergency hospital, where they kept him overnight, iced him, gave him IV antibiotics, and got his fever down by some time around 2:00 a.m. It was very, very expensive (I think $600), but obviously a fever like that couldn't have waited 'til Monday. My veterinarian has an emergency number, which I think is his home number, but of course he's not always home, which is why they also give you the hospital's number.
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Dennis Carr - 22 Mar 2004 16:20 GMT > Just a side note -- does everyone have an emergency animal hospital in > their area? There's one in Chicago, but I never thought I'd have to use > it as Pudge was always in the peak of health. I do carry their card > around, though. You know, it occurs to me that the closest thing there is to an online listing of these facilities is the various yellow pages sites. Perhaps one could start compiling a listing of veterinary facilities in general?
(To wit, they used to do this years ago on alt.arts.ballet with dancewear shops, but the maintainer stopped doing that.)
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Mary - 22 Mar 2004 17:37 GMT > > I know I have asked for advice online. Not because I was avoiding vet > > care, but because I couldn't go right away (I get home from work at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just a side note -- does everyone have an emergency animal hospital in > their area? We have a great all-night one around the corner. It opens at 6 when the vets close, and stays open until they open in the morning. AND-- if you use a participating vet, if you have taken your animal to the vet that day, there is no fee for the night emergency. (The usual fee is $72.) When Cheeks slipped and hurt her leg, I took her to the vet where her symptoms disappears. She showed signs of limping that night and I rushed her in to the after hours clinic. Her symptoms disappeared again (don't you LOVE it when they do this? :) ) but I was so distraught over her being in pain, I asked for kitty narcotics and they gave them to me. Something to put under her tongue. I never used it, but it made me feel better to have it in case she started crying and limping again. She's fine now.
Meghan Noecker - 23 Mar 2004 08:50 GMT >> I know I have asked for advice online. Not because I was avoiding vet >> care, but because I couldn't go right away (I get home from work at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Just a side note -- does everyone have an emergency animal hospital in >their area? I live in the Seattle area, and we do have one only about a half hour away. I don't know if it existed back when Jasper died. I sure didn't know about it then. Otherwise, he might have survived. He was the stray who had been hit by a car. He was doing well, then got in a cycle of vomiting and diarhea. He was back to the vet 3 times the week he died, and the vet didn't think it warrented any emergency treatement. Just some shots and special food. He got worse very late at night (after midnight) and died at 3:06am.
A couple years later, I had a scare with Kira. It was easter sunday, and she was sitting there growling. Something was very wrong, and it sure couldn't wait til monday. I called the vet, and the answering machine gave the phone number for the emergency vet, and they are 24 hour, including holidays. In fact, they do normal business overnight and *only* emergencies during normal business hours.
I keep their business card in my wallet, and recommend them to anybody. And their "off-hours" fee wasn't too bad. It was only $25 in addition to their normal fees, which were all quite reasonable. I had expected it to be far worse.
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Pet lover - 22 Mar 2004 11:28 GMT > Now I honestly regret posting here, looking for advice. The very fact > that I did should show that I am concerned about things. What else is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > payments and are eating one meal a day because you cannot spend so > much as $5.00 for lunch, things are not so simple as you might think. Then if you can't afford to care for your cat maybe you should rehome it with someone who can?
What would you do if the cat broke it's leg?
Meghan Noecker - 22 Mar 2004 12:51 GMT >Then if you can't afford to care for your cat maybe you should rehome it >with someone who can? > >What would you do if the cat broke it's leg? I've always wondered why people say something like this.
Where do you draw the line? How rich do you have to be to own a cat?
Would you rather *more* cats be euthanized each year because nobody can claim to have $1000 per pet set aside for medical care?
Honestly, my 17 year old cat has been very healthy all his life. Other than his being neutered, and standard vet checks and vaccinations, his only vet bills have been $40 for a minor respiratory infection about 10 years ago, $22 for a tumor investigation (turned out to be an unusually placed deposit of fat) about 6 years ago, and $243 for his abcess (and blood check while we're at it) last April.
That's about $300 for unexpected vet care in 17 1/2 YEARS!
Now, I realize that is cheap, but that's my point. Are you saying that I should never have had Maynard simply because I would have to borrow to scrape $500 together for an emergency surgery? I'd do it. I;d eat top ramen for a month if it meant taking good care of my cat. But the idea that I must find every vet bill to be *easy* to cover, on the spot, without a care in the world, is absurd.
Let me tell you another story. Last January, my dog got mange on her face. She is a sheltie, so she cannot take the normal medication (something about the brain tissue in some breeds that make the medication very high risk). So, I had to do biweekly treatments for 3 months. Over the course of the 3 months, I paid over $400. Now, I didn't mind. I was taking care of my dog. But the vet kept changing the fees! Depending on who did the billing, I paid different rates for the exact same service. It was extremely frustrating. Then they charged me for a checkup in advance, but when I picked her up, they told me they couldn't do the checkup the same day as the treatment. And no refund. I had to wait til the next week and hash it out with the clerk who tried to charge me again. Then, after the last treatment, they said they saw something and did a special checkup (they charged me $25 for the assistant to look at the face, didn't even do a slide like they did at the initial checkup), and told me I should continue coming back since it looked like it might be starting again.
It seemed quite clear to me by that time that they were feeling pretty good that I would just keep coming in every two weeks and keep paying the bill. I had not complained about the different rates because the one charging me the most was the boss, and I didn't want tehir irritation with me to reflect on my dog's care.
So, I never went back. Jenny was fine. She showed improvement from the very first treatment. It never spread past that day, and the hair had all grown back in. There was nothing wrong, and her previous checkups had shown only dead mites. According to the research I had done, 3 months was standard as long as the monthly checkups showed dead mites. So, all bets were that she was cured. I decided to wait a couple weeks and keep an eye on it myself. That was a year ago. No problems.
Now, according to you, I should have kept on paying the vet for nothing, let my poor dog suffer through more rough days; or gotten rid of my dog??? Just because I didn't want to pay excessive vet bills?
No, we all do the best we can, and when bad times come, we deal with it. The same as people with kids do when they lose their job or fall on hard times. They don't get rid of their kids. They work harder to make ends meat.
Be very careful what you suggest to others. If every you should lose your job or be faced with some hardship (injured and off work, or in the hospital), don't come complaining here. You might get your own advice offered back to you, and you wouldn't like it. You don't know other people's situations, and many people can successfully care for their animals even if they do struggle once in a while. There is no reason to attack them for not throwing away their money when unnecessary.
I don't call the doctor everytime I get a fever or cough, nor do I take my cat to the vet every time he hacks up something he should not have eaten.
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Pet lover - 22 Mar 2004 14:22 GMT > Now, I realize that is cheap, but that's my point. Are you saying that > I should never have had Maynard simply because I would have to borrow > to scrape $500 together for an emergency surgery? I'd do it. I;d eat > top ramen for a month if it meant taking good care of my cat. But the > idea that I must find every vet bill to be *easy* to cover, on the > spot, without a care in the world, is absurd. Precisely was I was saying. The OP has a sick cat, most people including you and I would do anything you have to do to get that cat appropriate care - even if that means going without yourself. She is obviously not prepared to do that and take her cat to the vets and get proper care like any normal caring person would - even those that can't afford to. Humane societies and charities always help if there is real hardship. Instead she would rather post on here................................better off if the cat lived with someone who would take care of it, regardless of what it takes
Wendy - 22 Mar 2004 15:02 GMT > > Now, I realize that is cheap, but that's my point. Are you saying that > > I should never have had Maynard simply because I would have to borrow [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > cat lived with someone who would take care of it, regardless of what it > takes The OP might not have been aware that their are entities that will help in this situation. For that matter there might not be where the OP lives. Posting here could be the only way this person would find out that these resources even exist.
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Meghan Noecker - 23 Mar 2004 08:44 GMT >> Now, I realize that is cheap, but that's my point. Are you saying that >> I should never have had Maynard simply because I would have to borrow [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >prepared to do that and take her cat to the vets and get proper care like >any normal caring person would - even those that can't afford to. I did not get that impression at all from her. I took it to mean that she did not perceive it as an emergency and thought it might even be a non-issue. One of those things that typically results in an expensive bill from the vet after he tells you it is nothing to worry about.
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Diane L. Schirf - 22 Mar 2004 14:22 GMT > That's about $300 for unexpected vet care in 17 1/2 YEARS! That's what Pudge was like. Of course, the last two months added up to the thousands, poor baby.
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Mary - 22 Mar 2004 17:31 GMT > Then if you can't afford to care for your cat maybe you should rehome it > with someone who can? My opinion of you might be a notch higher if you had the balls to post normally. One of Mary L.'s posts frustrated me so I called her an "idiot." (Sorry, Mary. Short fuse that day, I guess.) But I did it with my IP hanging out. Have the courage of your convictions, woman! Lose the pussified anonymizer! This isn't alt.hackers.malicious, after all.
zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Mar 2004 20:08 GMT >One of Mary L.'s posts frustrated me so I >called her an "idiot." The MaryL that started this thread is not the same MaryL that posts here regularly.
The MaryL that posts here regularly is an extremely responsible cat owner that would not sit on her hands watching Duffy or Holly vomit *several times a day for several days* and then, instead of at the very least calling a vet for advice, post to a newsgroup about it looking for someone to justify her not going to the vet and wanting to save money. She wouldn't wait *several days* and would take them to the vet immediately.
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Dennis Carr - 22 Mar 2004 16:16 GMT > Now I honestly regret posting here, looking for advice. The very fact > that I did should show that I am concerned about things. What else is > this board for, then? MaryL, consider this - what was the length of time before you started getting first responses, and how long does it take to go to the vet with your cat? I will bet you $5 that, unless you are living in an INCREDIBLY remote area, the former is significantly shorter.
Besides, if your cat is vomiting, to quote my vet, "there could be 101 things wrong with her".
TAKE HER TO THE FSCKING VET NOW.
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Gail - 21 Mar 2004 20:04 GMT It's time to take her to the vet. Gail
> My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of > course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or > just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help! Cathy Friedmann - 21 Mar 2004 20:16 GMT If it were a watery clear foamy liquid, I'd say it's just a transient hairball problem. But considering it's dark instead of clear, I'd make a vet appt.
Cathy
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> My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of > course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or > just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help! zuzu22@webtv.net - 21 Mar 2004 20:52 GMT Cathy wrote:
>If it were a watery clear foamy liquid, I'd >say it's just a transient hairball problem. Not necessarily. My cat Rachel presented with vomiting clear foamy liquid several times a day and was hospitalized for a week on IV fluids after being diagnosed with pancreatitis. Constant vomiting anything for *several days* should not be assumed to be a hairball.
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Dennis Carr - 22 Mar 2004 16:13 GMT > If it were a watery clear foamy liquid, I'd say it's just a transient > hairball problem. But considering it's dark instead of clear, I'd make a > vet appt. I have to dissent. Aggie did that in 2001 when we used a Hartz product on her.
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Pet lover - 21 Mar 2004 21:15 GMT > My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of > course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or > just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help! I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them to a vet??? Would you do the same if it were your child? I doubt it. Good grief, if you have no money there are plenty of charitites and humane societies that can help, HOWEVER, try selling your computer to pay for the vet treatment, if you can afford a computer and an internet connection you can afford to take your cat to the vet when it appears to be sick
Steve G - 22 Mar 2004 20:21 GMT (...)
> I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to > suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them > to a vet??? It isn't, mostly. Asking for advice via Usenet and taking your pet to the vet are not mutually exclusive, and it can be useful to have some info to be armed with when you hit the doc's office.
Steve.
Sherry - 22 Mar 2004 20:25 GMT >> I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to >> suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Steve. I agree. I may ask questions on the group, but it doesn't mean I'm going to blindly follow advice. I just use the group to get perspectives for later research, and to arm myself with questions when I do go to the vet.
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zuzu22@webtv.net - 22 Mar 2004 21:51 GMT >I just use the group to get perspectives >for later research, and to arm myself with >questions when I do go to the vet. I don't have a problem with that reasoning and wouldn't criticize someone for doing so. In this instance, that is NOT what is happening. The OP came here wanting a diagnosis and a course of treatment so she wouldn't have to go the vet. She knows full well that a vet visit is the likely outcome and said so, but is looking for justification for doing nothing while her cat vomits *several times a day* and has done so for *several days.*
It doesn't help that one or two people posted they have a cat that barfs (a lot of us do) while completely ignoring the fact that in this instance the frequency of the vomiting and the period of time this has been going on for is far beyond what might be considered "normal" and they gave the OP the justification for not taking the cat to the vet that she clearly came here looking for. It happens too often here that people so obviously skim over posts without paying attention to important details. This really has to stop because it doesn't help the cat and can result in harm.
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MaryL. - 22 Mar 2004 22:24 GMT > I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to > suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vet treatment, if you can afford a computer and an internet connection you > can afford to take your cat to the vet when it appears to be sick If some on this thread had read my followup post, you would see that I am using someone else's account to post and look for help. That was what I was trying to do look for HELP/ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE/ADVICE, etc. If you feel better about yourself for attacking others and offering holier than thou criticism and contempt for me, then okay, I cannot change your views. I came out of concern and a stressful situation to what I thought would be an appropriate place to seek such advice. Is it a substitution for a competent vet's exam? No, of course not...I am not that much of an idiot, people, and I am not uncaring, but as I said, when you are in crisis, things are a bit harder/more complicated to deal with than some on this thread allow for.
In any case, the is the first, last, and only time I will attempt to seek advice/help/community for such things. For those posters who put in followups that were concerned and genuine, thank you. For those who simply attacked and criticized, don't worry...I will NOT appear again. You have successfully chased me away from any such avenues as it is clear unless you do exactly as someone else does, you are considered a heretical, evil, vile person who is a worthless consumer of oxygen. I am sorry to offend some of you when all I was doing was looking for some amount of information/similar experiences.
And again, please recall that I am using someone else's email and Google password here...flooding the email address with angry letters of contempt is only making it worse and making someone who is not involved suffer for my foolishness.
Take care, everyone. Sorry I ruffled everyone's feathers.
Caroline - 22 Mar 2004 23:01 GMT > If some on this thread had read my followup post, you would see that I > am using someone else's account to post and look for help. That was [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > In any case, the is the first, last, and only time I will attempt to > seek advice/help/community for such things. MaryL,
I'm sorry to read the last paragraph above. I happen to feel that public internet forums like this one are often better than going to a so-called professional and at a minimum, nicely prepare one for any subsequent visit to a "professional," with whom one only gets a short amount of time anyway, unless one is filthy rich.
In addition, the Usenet archive holds the discussion here so people who have similar problems can search it and maybe learn something new.
In my opinion, your ceasing to post here is the group's and the greater public's loss.
Best of luck to you and your cat.
> For those posters who put > in followups that were concerned and genuine, thank you. For those [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of oxygen. I am sorry to offend some of you when all I was doing was > looking for some amount of information/similar experiences. Pet lover - 23 Mar 2004 10:08 GMT > And again, please recall that I am using someone else's email and > Google password here...flooding the email address with angry letters > of contempt is only making it worse and making someone who is not > involved suffer for my foolishness. Interesting that your name is Mary L and the email address your friend uses is MLjewelry@hotmail.com - you obviously have the same initials..............or perhaps it really is your computer but you were just diverting criticism. You visit your friend a lot don't you?
Sherry - 23 Mar 2004 10:22 GMT >Interesting that your name is Mary L and the email address your friend uses >is MLjewelry@hotmail.com - you obviously have the same >initials..............or perhaps it really is your computer but you were >just diverting criticism. You visit your friend a lot don't you? It's also interesting to me that you have a total of four posts archived. Perhaps you are a new poster, or perhaps you're using a sock puppet addy to divert criticism? At any rate, it makes no difference whether the OP is using her own e-mail. Whatever anyone thinks of her post, it's pretty bad form to send hate e-mail from a newsgroup. You obviously don't desire mail, either, since your e-mail addy is a fake.
Sherry
Brandy??Alexandre - 23 Mar 2004 16:29 GMT Pet lover <xxx@xxx.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>> And again, please recall that I am using someone else's email and >> Google password here...flooding the email address with angry [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > but you were just diverting criticism. You visit your friend a > lot don't you? I actually had a neighbor use my Usenet a lot because his ISP didn't offer it and he had some groups he wanted to follow. I set up an "identity" in my newsreader, but sometimes he forgot, or I forgot to switch it back, or whatever, and I was accused of major sockpuppeting.
Believe it or not, some people are really great friends with their neighbors. Almost a la Kramer, he could just come in. (He was gay, so it's not like I would be *really* compromised if indecent. LOL!)
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Meghan Noecker - 24 Mar 2004 09:11 GMT >I actually had a neighbor use my Usenet a lot because his ISP didn't >offer it and he had some groups he wanted to follow. I set up an >"identity" in my newsreader, but sometimes he forgot, or I forgot to >switch it back, or whatever, and I was accused of major sockpuppeting. My own ISP dropped usenet for over a year, and then only brought it back for DSL subscribers. After a year of complaining, they finally gave me an account on a separate dialup number that will put me on a computer with usenet access. I actually have to hang up and dial again when I want to switch back and forth between email and newsgroups. But it beats google, which was so hopeless that I could barely keep up with one newsgroup.
So, I have to agree, many ISPs do not offer usenet (a lot of people do not know about it, or do not realize they can access it via a news server which is far better than google).
And some people do not have their own computer, so they check email on somebody else's computer. My sister uses my parents computer since she can't afford her own service.
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IBen Getiner - 25 Mar 2004 10:01 GMT > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:29:26 GMT, "Brandy Alexandre" > <brandy@kamikaze.orgy> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Equine and Pet Photography > http://www.zoocrewphoto.com Everyone needs to be in touch with it. The antichrist will most likely get his start here.
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MacCandace - 25 Mar 2004 04:26 GMT << I actually had a neighbor use my Usenet a lot because his ISP didn't offer it and he had some groups he wanted to follow. >>
If someone hopped on and used my computer under my password to post to usenet, the signature woudl still be "Candace" cuz it's set up to automatically post that way. I doubt if the friend set up their own email addy--in fact, they said they didn't, so the person posting is obviously not Mary L, but the owner of the computer is.
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MaryL - 25 Mar 2004 05:05 GMT > so the person posting is obviously not Mary L, but the owner > of the computer is. > > Candace > (take the litter out before replying by e-mail) ....But *not* the MaryL who usually posts here. (That's me!) You can check that by looking at the actual addy.
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MacCandace - 26 Mar 2004 02:26 GMT << ....But *not* the MaryL who usually posts here. (That's me!) You can check that by looking at the actual addy.
MaryL >>
Oh, no, I know that. I didn't mean it the way it sounds. I just meant that the person who owns that computer is named MaryL because someone was challenging the poster as being an impostor.
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IBen Getiner - 25 Mar 2004 09:57 GMT > > I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to > > suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Take care, everyone. Sorry I ruffled everyone's feathers. Damn. I'm jealous. I should have written that. That would have been my advice to you exactly. Word for word.
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MaryL. - 23 Mar 2004 03:53 GMT > I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to > suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vet treatment, if you can afford a computer and an internet connection you > can afford to take your cat to the vet when it appears to be sick
> I wonder why it is seen to be acceptable by some to allow their pets to > suffer illness and seek free advice from a newsgroup rather than take them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > vet treatment, if you can afford a computer and an internet connection you > can afford to take your cat to the vet when it appears to be sick If some on this thread had read my followup post, you would see that I am using someone else's account to post and look for help. That was what I was trying to do look for HELP/ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE/ADVICE, etc. If you feel better about yourself for attacking others and offering holier than thou criticism and contempt for me, then okay, I cannot change your views. I came out of concern and a stressful situation to what I thought would be an appropriate place to seek such advice. Is it a substitution for a competent vet's exam? No, of course not...I am not that much of an idiot, people, and I am not uncaring, but as I said, when you are in crisis, things are a bit harder/more complicated to deal with than some on this thread allow for.
In any case, the is the first, last, and only time I will attempt to seek advice/help/community for such things. For those posters who put in followups that were concerned and genuine, thank you. For those who simply attacked and criticized, don't worry...I will NOT appear again. You have successfully chased me away from any such avenues as it is clear unless you do exactly as someone else does, you are considered a heretical, evil, vile person who is a worthless consumer of oxygen. I am sorry to offend some of you when all I was doing was looking for some amount of information/similar experiences.
And again, please recall that I am using someone else's email and Google password here...flooding the email address with angry letters of contempt is only making it worse and making someone who is not involved suffer for my foolishness.
Take care, everyone. Sorry I ruffled everyone's feathers.
Laura R. - 23 Mar 2004 02:44 GMT circa 21 Mar 2004 08:18:01 -0800, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MaryL. (mljewelry@hotmail.com) said,
> On a more serious note, though, the vomit is not "regular" > vomiting...he usually produces a little pool of watery vomit that is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Does this style of vomiting sound like something really serious, or > just a stomach flu, irritation, etc? Thank you for your help! Any time I've seen vomiting like this, it has been an ominous sign. Call your vet and see if you can work something out WRT payment; this isn't something to let continue and hope it gets better.
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MaryL - 23 Mar 2004 23:15 GMT > My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of > course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though > most of the house is wood floors....argh! Hi Everyone,
I just noticed this thread, and I hope that most of you who have been reading and responding to it realize by now that I did not post the original article. I have been posting as "MaryL" for quite some time. This was written by a different person. In fact, she mentioned in a later message that she is posting from someone else's account (*not mine*) and "Google password" (I'm not sure what that is, but again, "not mine"). One slight difference - aside from the major difference in email address - is that she uses a period after the name (that is, "MaryL."), and I do not.
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To the person who posted the original message: In my opinion, your cat needs to be seen by a vet ASAP. If possible, gather a sample and place it in a clean plastic bag for analysis (or, at least, for visual inspection). Vomit of this color and duration can be a very bad sign. Even though money may be tight, a delay in a situation like this could be tragic (and possibly much more costly to you in the long run).
We are not trying to be rude or obnoxious when we keep restating "get to a vet": it is just not possible to accurately diagnose something like this in newsgroups. There are some health issues where we can help and offer advice based on information given, but in many cases - such as this one - the only logical answer really is "get to a vet." You may be able to use a credit card or arrange for payment over a period of time.
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Laura R. - 24 Mar 2004 02:01 GMT circa Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:15:42 -0600, in rec.pets.cats.health+behav, MaryL (carstan101@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER) said,
> Hi Everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > difference - aside from the major difference in email address - is that she > uses a period after the name (that is, "MaryL."), and I do not. I didn't take a lot of time to peruse, but I *was* kinda wondering; this really didn't sound like you.
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Mary - 24 Mar 2004 07:07 GMT > I didn't take a lot of time to peruse, but I *was* kinda wondering; > this really didn't sound like you. Me too. Now I have no clear idea who exactly I called an idiot.
MaryL - 24 Mar 2004 12:11 GMT > > I didn't take a lot of time to peruse, but I *was* kinda wondering; > > this really didn't sound like you. > > Me too. Now I have no clear idea who exactly I called an idiot. That was me (servant to Holly and Duffy). As far as I know, this is the only time the "new" MaryL (the one who originated this thread) has posted.
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m. L. Briggs - 24 Mar 2004 02:07 GMT >> My cat for a few days now has been vomiting a few times a day, and of >> course manages to always get it onto furniture, rugs, etc, even though [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >I'm glad you straightened that out. I was confused by the postings. You always give astute advice and here was a question that YOU would never really need to ask. I've been wondering "what's up?" Cheryl - 24 Mar 2004 02:13 GMT > I just noticed this thread, and I hope that most of you who have been > reading and responding to it realize by now that I did not post the > original article. I have been posting as "MaryL" for quite some time. > This was written by a different person As soon as I saw the question I looked at the headers and knew it wasn't you. No worries. There's a Cheryl chick in rpca that used to use her full name but now uses just "Cheryl" and I had to do a double-take because I knew I didn't reply to a certain post. Actually I haven't posted much at all there, but I sure do read it. :)
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m. L. Briggs - 24 Mar 2004 18:12 GMT >> I just noticed this thread, and I hope that most of you who have been >> reading and responding to it realize by now that I did not post the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >knew I didn't reply to a certain post. Actually I haven't posted much at >all there, but I sure do read it. :) Maybe numbers wouldl work.
MaryL - 24 Mar 2004 22:09 GMT > >> I just noticed this thread, and I hope that most of you who have been > >> reading and responding to it realize by now that I did not post the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Maybe numbers wouldl work. Excellent suggestion. This is the first time I have seen a duplicate "MaryL," but I will add a number to my signature if it occurs again.
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m. L. Briggs - 25 Mar 2004 07:14 GMT >> >> I just noticed this thread, and I hope that most of you who have been >> >> reading and responding to it realize by now that I did not post the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >MaryL (the "original" ... or maybe the "old" one) Years ago, when I had an opportunity to look through telephone books for other cities, I was amazed at how many others had my maiden name. After I was married , it was again amazing to find so many others that were identical to mine. Try it sometime!
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