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>> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his cat
>> neutered as soon as possible. His cat is 14 months old, and he thought
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> intact tom can serve many intact queens. For population control put
> your money on spaying queens, first.
This makes no sense - you seem to be arguing against your point. If one
intact tom can service many queens then it would be more cost effective to
neuter the tom to keep him from impregnating many queens (and in actuality
is, since toms costs less to neuter than queens to spay). You are
preventing "many" pregnancies by neutering "one" tom. Yes, there are other
intact toms who will impregnate queens if you neuter only one, but there are
also other queens who will be impregnated if you spay only one queen - that
part of the argument is moot.

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Ron Herfurth - 27 Jan 2006 20:56 GMT
> >> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his cat
> >> neutered as soon as possible. His cat is 14 months old, and he thought
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> CatNipped
It makes no sense the way you phrased it
But if you have a colony of 10 males and 10 females and you trap and neuter
9 males, all 10 femles will get pregnant from the one male you didn't get.
In fact I'll bet if you neuter all 10 males the females will all still get
pregnant from a roaming tom that hears 10 females in heat.
You need to spay as many females as possible to keep them from making
kittens.
Unfortunately I don't know how to trap just females so I fix what ever winds
up in the trap.
ron
Phil P. - 27 Jan 2006 23:17 GMT
> >> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his cat
> >> neutered as soon as possible. His cat is 14 months old, and he thought
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> intact tom can service many queens then it would be more cost effective to
> neuter the tom to keep him from impregnating many queens
Actually, queens determine population- not toms. For example:
100 queens + 100 toms = 100 litters
100 queens + 50 toms = 100 litters
100 queens + 10 toms = 100 litters
100 queens + 1 tom = 100 litters
100 toms + 50 queens = 50 litters
100 toms + 1 queen = 1 litter
The best solution is neuter all the cats. If you can't, neuter the queens.
It will have more of an affect on population control and they will derive
more health benefits. Males can track a cycling queen miles away. So
neutering local females will control the local population.
Phil
CatNipped - 27 Jan 2006 23:59 GMT
>> >> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his
> cat
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> Phil
I understand that, but also know that
100 queens + 1 *NEUTERED* (former) tom = 0 litters
But what it comes down to is that until *all* cats in a colony are desexed
there is a chance of pregnancy either in that colony or in a neighboring
colony. Spaying your queens and ignoring the toms is only moving the
problem into another neighborhood.

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Phil P. - 28 Jan 2006 00:36 GMT
> >> >> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his
> > cat
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> 100 queens + 1 *NEUTERED* (former) tom = 0 litters
It doesn't work that way in real life. If a cycling queen can't find mates
in her colony, she'll roam until she does. IOW, where there's a cycling
queen, you'll find a tom.
> But what it comes down to is that until *all* cats in a colony are desexed
> there is a chance of pregnancy either in that colony or in a neighboring
> colony. Spaying your queens and ignoring the toms is only moving the
> problem into another neighborhood.
I didn't say ignore the toms. This is hypothetical either/or. I said
neutering the females will have a greater effect on the population than
neutering males-- which it does. If all the females in one colony are
neutered, intact strays and toms from another colony can't do any damage.
Also, don't forget free roaming owned toms.. They're the wild cards.
Even though you can neuter 2 or 3 males for the same cost of neutering 1
female, that one neutered female will have a greater effect on the
population than the 2 or 3 neutered males.
Urine from a cycling female makes excellent bait for trapping toms from all
over the place and toms you've never seen before.
Phil
Ron Herfurth - 30 Jan 2006 13:51 GMT
> I understand that, but also know that
>
> 100 queens + 1 *NEUTERED* (former) tom = 0 litters
> CatNipped
I a closed, fenced in colony, yes.
In the real world nature will find a way.
ron
>> I just posted a message in rpca in which I urged someone to have his cat
>> neutered as soon as possible. His cat is 14 months old, and he thought
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> intact tom can serve many intact queens. For population control put
> your money on spaying queens, first.
Please note that I said "spay and neuter." I referred to my message to
someone in anecdotes who had a male cat, but I believe that as many *cats*
as possible -- regardless of gender -- should be spayed or neutered. That
is the only way cat population will ever be controlled, and it is also
better for their health.
MaryL