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Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / January 2006Kami May be Dying
Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for the cat if not the cat-mom. A week ago, cat came down with am imfection that cannot be identified at bladder, tract, or kidney because no one can get urine from her. She was put on Baytril after a shot of Benzapen. Since Friday, she refused to eat. She would go toward the food, but opt for a drink of water instead. A lot of water, in fact. Come Monday, I called the vet and told her that I have not given up on Kami, but but may be giving up herself. Dr. Tina said to give Kami WHATEVER she wanted to eat. It was more important that she right now than WHAT she ate. So last night, I offered tuna, which she gobbled a good tablespoon of, but then she wouldn't touch it again. After that, I gave her the favorite baby food, which she ate. Still refusing tuna, and out of baby food, I bought her the favorite hamburger. She ate a few bits, still refused tuna, and THEN refused the baby food. I pretend that any one of the choices was MY food, which usually gets her interested, but she kept refusing. She also keeps going toward the food, choosing water instead. Is she trying for kitty suicide? I have given her fluids twice in the week, but that hasn't helped. The doc took her off Baytril yesterday She last had one the morning before) and I thought she'd come around, but no. She looks at me with sad eyes that are either saying "fix this, " or "help me go." I can't tell which. She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time?  SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > -- > Margarita Salt Margarita, it is not unusual for a cat to refuse food during any illness. But I'm sure your vet told you about the probability of the onset of hepatic lipidosis which is *caused * by not eating. Cats often become more ill from the HL than from the original infection or illness. In fact, it becomes quite secondary and the biggest danger to the cat's life is refusal of food. You have to get her to eat. I think she needs to go back to the vet and get her liver enzymes checked. You can get a syringe (no needle) and force-feed her baby food (no onions) or any kind of food squishy enough to syringe into her mouth. Let your vet explain this further to you; sometimes the cat requires a feeding tube. I am *not* the most knowledgeable person re: medical issues here; I hope some of the others chime in on this. But even I think it is *very* peculiar that she is being treated for urinary tract problems when no urine sample was taken. I think a second opinion might be prudent. Good luck with your kitty. To answer your question, NO, I don't think she's saying "it's time." I just think she needs better medical treatment and she needs to eat. Please keep us updated. Sherry Did they take blood tests? Can they find anything wrong at all? IMO, they should be treating her very aggressively right now, maybe even have her hospitalized. If cats feel sick after eating, they tend to blame the food. I went through some nasty food aversions with our diabetic cat. You may have to keep switching foods, flavors, etc. right now. Is she peeing at all? If she is blocked, that is an emergency and could require surgery right away. I think I'd get a second opinion if your vet cannot pinpoint it. Actually, maybe get a referral from your vet to an internist vet. They are fairly expensive, but have more resources and saved our cat's life. Good luck with Kami, I hate it when you can't find out what's bothering them. Don't give up. Rhonda > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating > and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Did they take blood tests? Can they find anything wrong at all? > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Rhonda She just had a complete exam just the week before the UTI, and her BUN was only slightly elevated. They treated her for the UTI because she had bloody uring at home, and she's peeing fine now. They also took an xray to look for stones and it was negative. I know there's a negative consequence to not eating (don't know the name of it) so I laid out every flavor and texture of food I have for her, with tuna, burger, and baby food. It's very odd not to have Kami go for at least the latter three, though she did take some baby food last night, and a little this morning. The burger dried out overnight when I left it, and she was eating a few bits of that. I was about to take it away, but decided to wait. I know she won't eat it if she both feels bad and the food is bad. I emailed the vet last night and this morning she said she's had a lot of cats in lately "with very vague intestinal signa that seem to pass over a week." She does want me to come in for a recheck, and I gave her fluids last night just in case, even though she's drinking. She just looks so unhappy and forlorn, but she still reaches out to "pet" me and likes to be touching (not a lap cat). SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt I would ask the vet to give you an apetite stimulant and I would also consider giving her some pepcid ac (you can ask your vet for the proper dosage). I know how stressful this is as I have a CRF cat at home. fuga > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating > and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? Unfortunately, I don't have any expert advice that I can offer. However, the first thing that occurred to me is that she may need fluids. I realize you said she is drinking a lot of water, but she isn't getting any nourishment. If it were me, I would have my cat at the vet's for a complete examination and would ask about Ringer's lactate. A telephone conversation is not enough at this time, and it might be prudent to consider a second opinion. I really do offer my heartfelt sympathies. I have been through the loss of beloved cats, and I know how painful that time is. MaryL > I really do offer my heartfelt sympathies. I have been through the loss of > beloved cats, and I know how painful that time is. Ditto. Kami is quite old, now, isn't she? MaryL <stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Unfortunately, I don't have any expert advice that I can offer. > However, the first thing that occurred to me is that she may need [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MaryL I gave her fluids last night even though she's drinking. She had an exam two weeks ago, and the infection happened a week ago. It's amazing how these things come up so suddenly, and with her being so old, it's gets harder to shake off. I really want her to make her 18th birthday. Then she'll be old enough to vote. ;) SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Margarita Salt > > "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or > entirely good... motives are often more important than > actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt You write very well. I read all your posts here in under 10 seconds Your keywords and general sequential flow was appreciated I know your cat is trying too, this is what stands out thoughts and prayers to ya's can we say prayer over here? they are scared to say it next door > MaryL <stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in > rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > Margarita Salt Sorry, I didn't realize "Margarita Salt" was Brandy. I didn't even get the pseudonym reference LOL I interpreted the post as someone whose cat was stricken by an isolated illness and was taken for a single vet visit, and not as Kami, whom I know now has been under regular vet care for quite some time. Very sorry she is so ill. Sherry >> MaryL <stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in >> rec.pets.cats.health+behav: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Sherry Didn't mean to be deceptive. I changed the name for another newsgroup to prove a point: Either I have to tell everyone who I am so there's no point in changing my name, or I'll be accused of being a sockpuppet. Glad you like the new nick. ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- From: Margarita Salt <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> >A week ago, cat came down with am imfection that cannot be identified >at bladder, tract, or kidney because no one can get urine from her. >She was put on Baytril after a shot of Benzapen. Since Friday, she >refused to eat. She would go toward the food, but opt for a drink of >water instead. A lot of water, in fact. I've no real technical knowledge to share about this, but it seems that, quite often, medication can make cats very thirsty but not all that hungry. At least that's my experience. >So last night, I offered tuna, which she gobbled a good tablespoon of, >but then she wouldn't touch it again. After that, I gave her the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >she kept refusing. She also keeps going toward the food, choosing >water instead. Have you tried a dry cat food? THe bottom line, though, is that you've got to get some food in her even if it takes force feeding. >The doc took her off Baytril yesterday >She last had one the morning before) and I thought she'd come around, >but no. She looks at me with sad eyes that are either saying "fix >this, " or "help me go." I can't tell which. It may be "I'm hungry as hell but my stomach feels like sh.t" >She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating >and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? Every cat I've had was NOT "still alert, bright, cuddly" when it was near the end. Kami's an old girl, but it doesn't sound like she's ready to go, yet. If you can't get her to eat tomorrow, a trip to a different vet may be in order. Best wishes for both of you. > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. Even though I can't stand you, I never let personal feelings interfere with helping a cat if I can. > A week ago, cat came down with am imfection that cannot be identified > at bladder, tract, or kidney because no one can get urine from her. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating > and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? No, she's not telling you its time. She old enough where she may be losing some her senses- the sense of smell is usually the first to to go. Try heating up her food- heated food is more aromatic. You can also trying laying out a smorgasbord of 5 or 10 different foods- try the Fancy Feast marinated line they're low in phos. Have her blood tested again. A high BUN will make her feel queasy and not want to eat- its fairly common in cats with CRF. That would also explain her increased drinking. Also, speak to your vet about cyproheptadine (Periactin)- its a human antihistamine but it suppresses satiety in cats and makes them feel hungry- sorta like an appetite stimulant. > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating > and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? Brandy, I'd ask your vet about an appetite stimulant. Also, Hill's A/D canned usually gets a cat to eat (and is packed with calories to help delay the onset of hepatic lipidosis when cats refuse to eat). You might even have to syringe feed her until she will take food voluntarily again. How old is Kami again? 16 or 18? Even so, some cats live into their 20s, so I wouldn't give up hope on her yet. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > Brandy, I'd ask your vet about an appetite stimulant. Also, Hill's A/D > canned usually gets a cat to eat (and is packed with calories to help delay > the onset of hepatic lipidosis when cats refuse to eat). You might even > have to syringe feed her until she will take food voluntarily again. I'd like to suggest a force feeding method that works well and is more friendly to human and cat than the syringe. Get a 4 tablespoon size nursing bottle such as used for orphan kittens and rabbits(Pet supply store - vet office). Snip the very end of the nipple off so that a hole about the size of a ball point pen tip is present. The Hill's Science Diet A/D can be mixed with water, milk, or whatever liquid - gravy etc, your cat is most likely to be interested in. The Hill's brands are a very fine consistency and mix well with liquids. You can feed while she is in an upright position by lifting her face and inserting the tip of the nipple into the corner of her mouth. A gentle squeeze on the bottle delivers a much more controlled flow than any syringe I've ever tried. First attempts can be a bit messy but the cats sure seem to take to it better than having a hard plastic syringe tip shoved in their mouth. Keep a few moist paper towels handy. I had to force feed my boy Spot this way for almost 2 weeks when recovering from calicci virus. Due to the ulcers in his mouth, any food or liquid intake was painful. A quick shot of liquid baby Orajel before we started feeding helped get things underway. Today Spot is a robust 19 month old 21 pounder who like to run up behind and leap with all 4 feet plated between the shoulder blades just to say hello. > Please spare me the usual flames. At least try to feel something for > the cat if not the cat-mom. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > She's still alert, bright, cuddly, and everything, but she's not eating > and not interested. Ideas? Or is she saying it's time? As long as she's bright & alert, I'd say no, it's not time. Plus she's drinking, which is good. I know she's getting up there in years & has been a CRF cat for a long while now, but this doesn't seem like the end of the road yet - to me. What about asking the vet for an appetite stimulant? I used Periactin (generic: cyproheptadine) with success for that purpoose for one of my cats. It's an antihistamine for humans, but acts quite well as an appetite stimulant for cats. Since she was diagnosed with some sort of infection (beyond the CRF), maybe even the Periactin wouldn't help her to want to eat - but hey, maybe it would! And sometimes all it takes is a jump-start, to get the appetite in gear again. Good luck - I hope Kami will be around for a while yet. Cathy > -- > Margarita Salt > > "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or > entirely good... motives are often more important than > actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt <clfr@adelphia.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > As long as she's bright & alert, I'd say no, it's not time. Plus > she's drinking, which is good. I know she's getting up there in [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cathy Well, as I said, she got fluids last night. (One day I'll learn to put the needle in straight so she's not lopsided.) She wouldn't eat but for some babyfood and those few bites of burger. This morning she ate a couple bites of the dried out burger (blech) and some baby food. She passed on canned chicken and her own food. I left it all out and sort of expected a passed kitty when I got home, but when I came in she had finished the portion of baby food, eaten the rest of the burger (blech!) and ate probably a few teaspoons of her own food. I stopped and got the Fancy Feast Phil suggested and I dish it up and she totally gobbled half of it at first pass (she's a come-and-go eater). And I gave her some rotisserie chicken skin. Now, the question is what was it? The fact she had started eating, if only a couple of bites, the fluids fixing her up, Fancy Feast, all of the above? She's perkier and has a vet appointment Friday. I could have done a drop-off, which is leave the animal and the vet might fit it in somewhere, but she has gotten so upset lately I didn't think that was a good idea. I'll keep you posted. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Now, the question is what was it? The fact she had started eating, if > only a couple of bites, the fluids fixing her up, Fancy Feast, all of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > entirely good... motives are often more important than > actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt Well, it sounds promising. There is no one here who would wish Kami any ill will even if they disagree with you on some points. I truly hope Kami will be okay and, if she doesn't continue eating, I would also suggest--as others have--the Hill's a/d as well as the cyproheptadine for an appetite stimulant. Both those things got my late cat, Cory, who also had kidney failure, through many a bad episode. She may just have been feeling poorly from her kidney disease. Cory would be like that sometimes for a few days and then bounce back and feel good for a long time. Maybe she just needed the fluids or maybe she was nauseous and it passed. Do you ever give her famotidine (pepcid) for nausea? I used to give that to Cory on my vet's recommendation. I really hope this has passed and Kami will have a few more years with you. I know you love her and she sounds like she has quite a strong personality. Candace Candace <maccandace@aol.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Now, the question is what was it? The fact she had started >> eating, if only a couple of bites, the fluids fixing her up, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Candace "Strong personality," Hehe! Is that what the kids are calling it these days? I know two facilities and a half dozen people who might call it something else. ;) I give her pepcid on occasion. She had fluids last Wednesday when she got the infection, then two days later, and then last night, and she drank steadily the whole time. I don't think there was any dehydration going on. She finished her dinner and appears to be coming around as suddenly as she went downhill. Skinnier, though. I hate seeing that. You know a cat is thin when it's a fluffy cat and it still looks skinny. :( SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt >>Now, the question is what was it? The fact she had started eating, if >>only a couple of bites, the fluids fixing her up, Fancy Feast, all of [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Well, it sounds promising. There is no one here who would wish Kami > any ill will even if they disagree with you on some points. Certainly, agreed on that. > I truly > hope Kami will be okay and, if she doesn't continue eating, I would [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Candace > Well, as I said, she got fluids last night. (One day I'll learn to put > the needle in straight so she's not lopsided.) She wouldn't eat but [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > only a couple of bites, the fluids fixing her up, Fancy Feast, all of > the above? All of the above. You are more than likely going to have to keep nursing her along. I would also pick up some Nutrical from the vet and see if she will snack on it, as well. She's perkier and has a vet appointment Friday. I could > have done a drop-off, which is leave the animal and the vet might fit > it in somewhere, but she has gotten so upset lately I didn't think that > was a good idea. I agree - let us know how it goes. It sucks to have to go through this with our ailing companion animals - it's the hardest part of having them in our lives. Hope she stays perky and is feeling better. -L. -L. <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > All of the above. You are more than likely going to have to keep > nursing her along. I would also pick up some Nutrical from the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > -L. I'm concerned about the Fancy Feast, though. She's snarfing it again this morning, but I'm suspicious of food that doesn't print the Phos level on the can. The kidney diets are .08 to .1. But I guess as long as she eats it... SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > I'm concerned about the Fancy Feast, though. She's snarfing it again > this morning, but I'm suspicious of food that doesn't print the Phos [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > -- > Margarita Salt I wouldn't worry too much at this point - not eating is far more damaging than phosphorous for as sick as she was. Check out Friskie's and see if they have the phos. level listed on that as well - some varieties are "prime filets" and look a lot like the FF varieties. They are made by the same company, IIRC. -L. > I'm concerned about the Fancy Feast, though. She's snarfing it again > this morning, but I'm suspicious of food that doesn't print the Phos > level on the can. The kidney diets are .08 to .1. But I guess as long > as she eats it... Yes, eating the FF is much better than not eating. Cathy Hi MS, Here is a chart with the phosphorous levels on wet food (includes Fancy Feast): http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/jmpeerson/canfood.html Rhonda > I'm concerned about the Fancy Feast, though. She's snarfing it again > this morning, but I'm suspicious of food that doesn't print the Phos > level on the can. The kidney diets are .08 to .1. But I guess as long > as she eats it... Rhonda <san-toki@attremovethis.net> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Hi MS, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> the Phos level on the can. The kidney diets are .08 to .1. But >> I guess as long as she eats it... Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos. Thanks for this. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos. Thanks for this. It depends on the flavor. At one point, he'd posted recommended flavors. Unless they've changed. SignatureWeb site: http://www.slywy.com/ Message board: http://www.slywy.com/phpBB2/ Journal: http://slywy.blogspot.com/ >Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos. Thanks for this. That chart is old and Fancy Feast changed when Purina bought them out. -mhd The chart was last updated 04/05. When did Purina change all of the phos. levels in Fancy Feast? Rhonda > That chart is old and Fancy Feast changed when Purina bought them out. > > -mhd >The chart was last updated 04/05. When did Purina change all of the >phos. levels in Fancy Feast? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> -mhd Purina took over within the last year. Also the date on the chart does not guarantee that every food on it was updated at that time. Ideally every food listed should have a date beside it. -mhd Margarita said: >>Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was >> low phos. Thanks for this. Phil never said that ALL Fancy Feast was low in phos. He mentioned which ones were and also stated that Fancy Feast had changed some of their formulas. Do we know how recent the chart was? I would trust Phil on this (but see if you can find out which ones he recommends). ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') You are welcome. Rhonda > Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos. Thanks for this. "Margarita Salt" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message > Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos. Thanks for this. I said *some* Fancy Feast diets are low in phosphorus. These are the diets: Marinated Chicken Feast:.0.09% (AF) - 0.40% (DMB) Marinated Salmon Feast:..0.13% (AF) - 0.59% (DMB) Seafood Filets Tuna & Oceanfish in Aspic: 0.16% (AF) - 0.72% (DMB) Minced Beef Feast:..........0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Sliced Beef Feast:............0.17% (AF) - 0.77% (DMB) Marinated Beef Feast:.......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Grilled Chicken Feast:......0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Grilled Tuna Feast:...........0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Sliced Beef & Giblets Feast: 0.18% (AF) - 0.81% (DMB) Grilled Turkey Feast:........0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) Sliced Chicken Hearts & Liver Feast: 0.21% (AF) - 0.95% (DMB) However, even the low phosphorus Fancy Feast diets might be too high in protein for a cat with CRF- it depends on her BUN. Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > "Margarita Salt" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in > message [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > However, even the low phosphorus Fancy Feast diets might be too > high in protein for a cat with CRF- it depends on her BUN. No, you just said, "...try the Fancy Feast marinated line they're low in phos." Not to quibble... I bought several of only the marinated line on your say so. Once again you show how no one should just follow what you say on blind faith. You're not a vet. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt I just got an email from Purina in reply to my inquiry about the nutritional values of all their varieties of Fancy Feast. They asked for my snail mail address to mail it to. I'll be glad to share this info with the group when I get it. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > I just got an email from Purina in reply to my inquiry about the nutritional > values of all their varieties of Fancy Feast. They asked for my snail mail > address to mail it to. I'll be glad to share this info with the group when > I get it. Good deal! It is all my girls will eat. They thrive on it, too. >> I just got an email from Purina in reply to my inquiry about the > nutritional [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Good deal! It is all my girls will eat. They thrive on it, too. Mine too. But the only flavors they'll eat are "Tender Beef Feast", "Gourmet Chicken Feast", "Turkey and Giblets Feast", and "Tender Liver and Chicken Feast". IOW they'll only eat the "Gourmet" varieties - they *don't* like the grilled, sliced, marinated, minced, flaked, chunky, filets, or *anything* except the "pate" consistency. Ergo, they're probably eating all the varieties with too much phosphorous, but the low phosphorous varieties won't do them any good if they won't eat them. Likewise, they won't eat any other canned food I've tried (Innova, Wellness, SD, Iams, etc.). They do also get Science Diet "Senior Advanced Formula" free-fed - but they get the bulk of their diet from the canned FF (the four of them get 4 3oz cans every 12 hours, but they never clean their plates). -- Hugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ > Mine too. But the only flavors they'll eat are "Tender Beef Feast", I think this is the one that Phil refers to as "Minced Beef." This is the one I feed the most because it was (at least I think) on his list, and they like it. > "Gourmet Chicken Feast", "Turkey and Giblets Feast", and "Tender Liver and > Chicken Feast". IOW they'll only eat the "Gourmet" varieties - they *don't* > like the grilled, sliced, marinated, minced, flaked, chunky, filets, or > *anything* except the "pate" consistency. Ergo, they're probably eating all > the varieties with too much phosphorous, but the low phosphorous varieties > won't do them any good if they won't eat them. For a long time, neither of mine would eat anything but "Chopped Grill Feast," the name of which really says nothing more than "MYSTERY MEAT!" Byproducts is its first ingredient, and it stinks like poo! Now I am happy that they will eat the TBF, and sometimes Salmon and the liver varieties. >> Mine too. But the only flavors they'll eat are "Tender Beef Feast", > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >will eat the >TBF, and sometimes Salmon and the liver varieties. My fussy one (almost 16yrs) eats only the Grilled Chicken on a regular basis. Sometimes a beef variety will interest him for one day then it gets old real quick with him. He is supposed to be eating KD but he won't. I'm hoping his slightly elevated Bun was an abnormality and he is going for another checkup soon. -mhd > >For a long time, neither of mine would eat anything but "Chopped Grill > >Feast," [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > basis. Sometimes a beef variety will interest him for one day then it > gets old real quick with him. They can be so funny. Gracie will go for days eating only Salmon Feast, leaving nothing on the saucer. Then she will eat a few bites and refuse the rest of it. (This little cat is so polite, any time I pick her up and put her at the dish she will make an effort to eat! But when she is off on a flavor she will just take a tiny taste and run away.) So then we are back to Tender Beef Feast. >He is supposed to be eating KD but he > won't. I'm hoping his slightly elevated Bun was an abnormality and he > is going for another checkup soon. I hope it was an abnormality, and that it shows at this checkup. Hey, have you posted photos of your cats? I always love to see who I am talking about. >Hey, have you posted photos of your cats? I always love to >see who I am talking about. I never could be bothered to set up a photo album at one of those sites. I usually post pictures regarding other interests I have in a sub directory of my company website, but obviously I would not reveal that to this group :-) -mhd > >Hey, have you posted photos of your cats? I always love to > >see who I am talking about. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -mhd Well, I cannot imagine why NOT! lmao If you ever post a site, or find yourself willing to send some via email, let me know. This email works. (If not I do understand, believe me!) :) >>Hey, have you posted photos of your cats? I always love to >>see who I am talking about. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -mhd I have my own web site with gigabytes of unused space, so I'll extend my offer here as it is in rpca, if you'd like to post a picture for the group to see, just email it to me and I'll put it up and send you the URL. SignatureHugs, CatNipped See all my masters at: http://www.PossiblePlaces.com/CatNipped/ >>> I just got an email from Purina in reply to my inquiry about the >> nutritional [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > they get the bulk of their diet from the canned FF (the four of them get 4 > 3oz cans every 12 hours, but they never clean their plates). BTW, none of them are having a problem with failing to thrive on this diet, *especially* Sammy! ;> http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Jessie17/ (Sammy is on the right, that's Jessie on the left - and Jessie is a "normal size" cat). and http://www.possibleplaces.com/CatNipped/Sammy28/ (I'm sure you've all seen those crinkly tunnels that most cats can hide completely inside). We don't call her "Samazon" for nothing! ;> Hugs, CatNipped > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > line on your say so. Once again you show how no one should just follow > what you say on blind faith. You're not a vet. Then I'd suggest you do your own research, rather than come here basically pleading for comments and then dissing those who offer suggestions... because that behavior seems rather troll-like. > > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > basically pleading for comments and then dissing those who offer > suggestions... because that behavior seems rather troll-like. She doesn't have time to research her cat's illness because she's too busy playing in the gossip and porn newsgroups. > "Joe Canuck" < > > Then I'd suggest you do your own research, rather than come here [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > She doesn't have time to research her cat's illness because she's too busy > playing in the gossip and porn newsgroups. Not surprising considering she's the person that declawed her cat rather than train and trim claws. > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > in phos." Not to quibble... I bought several of only the marinated > line on your say so. The marinated diets *are* low in phosphorus, you ignorant a.shole- (and I mean that literally): http://www.maxshouse.com/nutrition/Fancy_Feast_Typical_Marinated.pdf Once again you show how no one should just follow > what you say on blind faith. Once again you've showed you're too inept to be entrusted with a cat's life. > You're not a vet. Never said I was. But you *are* an a.shole. > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > in phos." Not to quibble... I bought several of only the marinated > line on your say so. Once again you show how no one should just follow > what you say on blind faith. You're not a vet. Your vet couldn't recommend a cat food that would get her eating again, could she? All she said was "give Kami WHATEVER she wanted to eat. It was more important that she right now than WHAT she ate.". You were feeding her dried out burgers and baby food-- which is *very* high in calcium and phosphorus which infants need a lot of for bone growth- and you're trying to make an issue of the 0.22% phosphorus content of 2 of the 5 FF marinated diets? LOL! I couldn't have made a bigger fool of you than you have yourself! > Hi MS, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Rhonda The chart doesn't list the marinated line: http://www.maxshouse.com/nutrition/Fancy_Feast_Typical_Marinated.pdf Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> Hi MS, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.maxshouse.com/nutrition/Fancy_Feast_Typical_Marinated.pd > f Phil, face it, you said simply the marinated line, and you did not provide this info. Clearly only two of the line are low in phos and other varieties are lower than the rest of the line. You didn't say "some" as you claimed, you provided no link, and you expect people to trust exactly what you say. As usual, you deny and backpeddle when called on it even though your errors are easily available. Next time you give unsolicited advice, make sure it's accurate. I never should have trusted you, and no one else should either. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Next time you give unsolicited advice, make sure it's accurate. I > never should have trusted you, and no one else should either. Unsolicited? I suggest you re-read your original post in this thread. > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Phil, face it, you said simply the marinated line, and you did not > provide this info. I posted the list of low phosphous Fancy Feast diets *many* times. Lean to comprehend- or are all of your brain cells fried? (Rhetorical question) Clearly only two of the line are low in phos and > other varieties are lower than the rest of the line. Three (0.18%, 0.09%, 0.13%) diets in the marinated line are low in phosphorus, the other two are acceptable (0.22%) if the cat won't eat anything else. You didn't say > "some" as you claimed, you provided no link, and you expect people to > trust exactly what you say. You're statement "Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos" implied that I said all Fancy Feast diets are low in phosphorus. The marinated line and some diets in the other lines *are* some of the Fancy Feast diets that are low in phosphorus. I posted the list, along with links of Fancy Feast diets that are low in phosphorus *many* times. You can't remember because your brain is fried. As usual, you deny and backpeddle when > called on it even though your errors are easily available. LOL! I don't think so. You're trying to sleaze out of looking stupid- its a bit too late. > Next time you give unsolicited advice, "Unsolicited"? LOL! You really are a manipulating sleaze. Does "but she's not eating and not interested. Ideas?" ring a bell? Sure sounds like you're soliciting advice to me. > make sure it's accurate. Oh, my information *is* accurate. You're just to stupid to realize it. Gee, you said you kill-filed me about 100 times. Now we can add *liar* to your list of accolades Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Gee, you said you kill-filed me about 100 times. Now we can add > *liar* to your list of accolades I'm not a liar. I changed my nick, and I had special settings in my newsreader that I had to write directly to the *.ini files that messed up the killfile. I'm MORE than happy to start loading it again. Congrats! You're number one! (Oh, and not that I like to be the spelling police, but when you call someone stupid, proofread your posts.) SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'm not a liar. I changed my nick, and I had special settings in my > newsreader Bullshit. I'm MORE than happy to start loading it again. > Congrats! You're number one! Yeah sure. You don't kill-file anybody. You just have to know what people say about you-- that's why you hang out in the porn and gossip groups. Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > I posted the list of low phosphous Fancy Feast diets *many* times. > Lean to comprehend- or are all of your brain cells fried? > (Rhetorical question) BTW, you forget you've been killfiled and it doesn't matter how many times you post something, I would not have seen it. Even if you weren't plonked, don't be so arrogant to assume that everyone reads all of your screed. > You're statement "Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos" > implied that I said all Fancy Feast diets are low in phosphorus. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > phosphorus *many* times. You can't remember because your brain is > fried. It was clear by that time that under discussion was the marinated line. Thanks for the updated info, but "thanks a lot" for the faulty info that led me to purchase and feed the wrong flavors. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > After reading this and other comments, I have to wonder if this whole thread wasn't an elaborate troll. You say your cat has the best vet in the world, well go there for advice from now on rather than posting here simply to stir things up for your own entertainment. > After reading this and other comments, I have to wonder if this whole > thread wasn't an elaborate troll. > > You say your cat has the best vet in the world, Yeah- that's the vet that didn't know about inhalation therapy for asthmatic cats. well go there for advice > from now on rather than posting here simply to stir things up for your > own entertainment. Attention not entertainment. The has-been still craves attention. That's why she titled her post "Kami may be dying" instead of "Kami won't eat" or "How do I make Kami eat"- "Kami may be dying" is more dramatic and more likely to evoke sympathy. What a sleaze- playing on peoples' emotions. > Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > BTW, you forget you've been killfiled and it doesn't matter how many > times you post something, I would not have seen it. Bullshit. Even if I was kill-filed, you'd still see my posts in other peoples' replies. You manage to see all my other posts. Even if you > weren't plonked, don't be so arrogant to assume that everyone reads all > of your screed. Well, *you* obviously read my posts. > > You're statement "Yikes! Phil said the Fancy Feast was low phos" > > implied that I said all Fancy Feast diets are low in phosphorus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It was clear by that time that under discussion was the marinated line. You can't sleaze out of this one. You implied I said all Fancy Feast diets are low in phosphorus. > Thanks for the updated info, Don't thank me- I was trying to help your cat- not you. but "thanks a lot" for the faulty info > that led me to purchase and feed the wrong flavors. I'd like to lead you off a cliff- but not your cat. So out of 5 flavors, you picked the two that were higher in phosphorus than the rest? I don't think so, sleaze. I think you conjured up this story to try to discredit me because I said you're an animal abuser-- among other things. The Tuna Feast and Turkey Feast phosphorus levels are *still* acceptable if she isn't eating. So sleaze, your little ruse didn't work. >Phil P. <phil@maxshouse.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Thanks for the updated info, but "thanks a lot" for the faulty info >that led me to purchase and feed the wrong flavors. sh.t happens, eh? But I'm glad to hear that Kami is feeling better. Charlie Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wilkes@users.easynews.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > sh.t happens, eh? But I'm glad to hear that Kami is feeling better. > > Charlie Yes, she is. It wouldn't hurt him to say, "Sorry, I should have been more specific." But that would require confidence and self-assurance. Now, if I can get her to sit still for some matt snipping... That bath two weeks ago did a number. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt > It wouldn't hurt him to say, "Sorry, I should have been > more specific." I didn't have to be more specific- *you* should have been more specific and asked which particular flavors I recommended. You said: "Dr. Tina said to give Kami WHATEVER she wanted to eat. It was more important that she right now than WHAT she ate." The two highest phosphorus diets in the marinated line are only 0.22% which is totally acceptable for a cat that is not eating. Didn't you say: From: "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Re: My cat like lasagna > You have yet to tell me where these sites are and provide any > quotations. I can only rely on information I can confirm, not on your > hearsay. And yet you say you ran out and bought the wrong flavors without confirming the information. Looks like you caught yourself in another one of your bullshit drama stories. Why did you even bother asking for advice here? Aren't you the a.shole who said: From: "Brandy Alexandre" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.health+behav Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:08 AM Subject: Re: My cat like lasagna I suggest everyone else on this board > consult a real vet instead of the Usenet wannabes. So, why didn't *you*? Your little drama is total bullshit. You're just trying to create an issue because you're a pathetic washed-up has-been craving for attention and sympathy. The only who deserves pity is your cat. > "Margarita Salt" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message I suggest everyone else on this board > > consult a real vet instead of the Usenet wannabes. > > So, why didn't *you*? Your little drama is total bullshit. You're just > trying to create an issue because you're a pathetic washed-up has-been > craving for attention and sympathy. The only who deserves pity is your > cat. I can't help wonder why Brandy thinks it's your responsibility what her cat eats. How ridiculous. The only one responsible for Brandy's cat is Brandy herself. What an idiot. It's really simple to contact the company that makes the catfood and find out the phosphorous content. >>"Margarita Salt" <brandyalx@kittylittercomcast.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is Brandy herself. What an idiot. It's really simple to contact the > company that makes the catfood and find out the phosphorous content. I think that's the point that she's making -- never totally trust advice on a newsgroup, even if they come off sounding like an expert. Go right to the source. Rhonda Rhonda, Again I think you are off-base. Phil is not a vet BUT he knows a lot more about cats than most vets do. I don't always like his confrontational attitude but his advice is always on the mark. If you don't trust his advice, why ask on a news group at all? ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Rhonda, Again I think you are off-base. Phil is not a vet BUT he knows a lot more about cats than most vets do. I don't always like his confrontational attitude but his advice is always on the mark. If you don't trust his advice, why ask on a news group at all? Well said Mike Mike, everyone has their opinions of different people and I have my reasons. I don't agree that Phil knows more than most vets. I think Phil has experience with cats and has lots of medical reference books which he uses to answer posts. That's not a bad thing, but it is (IMO) if you don't quote your source -- if you say it like it just popped into your head. I also think it's dangerous to give medical advice over the internet, even if you are a vet. Good vets don't diagnose a problem without seeing the animal. You can make suggestions over the internet or say "my cat had this" or "ask your vet about this" -- it's all personal experience, not medical diagnosis. As for asking on the internet, it's just one source. I do lots of web searches and ask animal-experienced people (on the internet and in person). I don't ever rely on one person's response when I don't even know them. Enjoy your day, Rhonda > Rhonda, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> > >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') > Mike, everyone has their opinions of different people and I have my > reasons. I don't agree that Phil knows more than most vets. I think Phil [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Rhonda ...in the meantime Brandy is sitting back giggling over the fuss she has created. It is just one source when you contact a company asking for the nutritional profile of their food as well. Do you trust that or seek the analysis of an independant laboratory? >> Rhonda, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>>> >> >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') > Mike, everyone has their opinions of different people and I have my > reasons. Yeah- you don't like my LOLs and you don't like them so much that you went through my 6 year-old posts trying to find something else that annoyed you! LOL! You have some issues, don't you? Or are you just a malicious a.shole? (Rhetorical questions). > I don't agree that Phil knows more than most vets. At least I- and everyone one on the Feline Asthma group obviously know more than Brandy's vet. How many vets have given posters bogus information that was corrected here and not only by me? I think Phil > has experience with cats and has lots of medical reference books That's right. I have an extensive vet med library along with subscriptions. I started researching every feline illness we came in contact with after we lost several cats because the vets prescribed the wrong medications or treatment or gave us bad or outdated information. which > he uses to answer posts. ---which I use to *confirm* and *verify* my information if I'm not absolutely sure. That's not a bad thing, but it is (IMO) if you > don't quote your source -- if you say it like it just popped into your > head. Like you do? For a travel agent, you seem to dole out a lot of advice. Where exactly does your fountain of knowledge about cats come from? Obviously is not from experience. Well, bimbo, after >40 years of working with cats, vets, and labs, and treating almost every feline disease known to Catdom, most of my information *does* just pop into my head. Most people who see, hear, and do the same things day in and day out for decades have the same ability. Since that seems unusual to you, I'd bet you have to be re-trained in your job after every 15 minute coffee break! LOL! > I also think it's dangerous to give medical advice over the internet, Then why do *you* give advice you sleazy, f.cking, malicious hypocrite? >That's right. I have an extensive vet med library along with subscriptions. >I started researching every feline illness we came in contact with after we >lost several cats because the vets prescribed the wrong medications or >treatment or gave us bad or outdated information. If only some vets read their books as often as you do. After all where do people think vets got their info from - from books in school of course. A good vet doesn't stop there and tries to keep up to date but it is a daunting task when they treat multiple species. Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s animals and sends them home early) has her branded as a real bitch by anyone I have spoke to about that clinic. -mhd >>That's right. I have an extensive vet med library along with >>subscriptions. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -mhd How many times has someone come to the newsgroup and questioned a medicine dosage or a type of treatment only to be given the correct information from a NON VET while they had been given information that could have potentially harmed their furball >>>That's right. I have an extensive vet med library along with >>>subscriptions. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >a NON VET while they had been given information that could have potentially >harmed their furball Too often. -mhd <snip> > Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose > seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s > animals and sends them home early) Just a comment..."difficult" cats may recover much better at home. While it may seem the cat is being sent home "too early" the stress of keeping the cat in a cage at the vet and having it handled by strangers may actually hinder the healing process. So in some instances where the guardian is competent enough to administer meds, fluids, etc. it may be in the best interest of the cat to send it home to continue its recovery. > has her branded as a real bitch by > anyone I have spoke to about that clinic. Some vets have no bedside manner, that's for sure. You can tell a lot about the personality of the vet by the competency of the staff he or she can keep. If there is a high turn-over rate for the vet techs and receptionists, the vet probably is an a.shole to work with, and probably not good with clients, either. -L. -L. <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: > Just a comment..."difficult" cats may recover much better at home. > While it may seem the cat is being sent home "too early" the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > administer meds, fluids, etc. it may be in the best interest of > the cat to send it home to continue its recovery. That's exactly Kami's issue. My vet may not give me all the options, as I've seen other things on the newsgroup for similar issues with her. But she does know my cat and gives me the options that are best for her. SignatureMargarita Salt "...practically no one in the world is entirely bad or entirely good... motives are often more important than actions." -- Eleanore Roosevelt ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >-L. One incident that comes to mind about "difficult cats" was one who clearly didn't like vets (or that vet anyway) and needed to be monitored after a procedure, but the owner was told to come and "get that cat out of here". Totally bizarre and rude behavior was the point I remembered from this episode told to me about a year ago. Others who have had experiences with that vet have similar stories. It's too bad because a feline only clinic without barking dogs or stupid dog owners who let their dog walk up a to cat carrier scaring the sh.t out a sick and stressed cat sure would be nice. However I am all for bringing them home as soon as it is safe to do so. Even though our regular vet's staff has grown, most of the original staff are still there even after maternity leaves came and gone, so I guess that does speak volumes about the vets. -mhd <snip> > Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose > seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s > animals and sends them home early) Just a comment..."difficult" cats may recover much better at home. While it may seem the cat is being sent home "too early" the stress of keeping the cat in a cage at the vet and having it handled by strangers may actually hinder the healing process. So in some instances where the guardian is competent enough to administer meds, fluids, etc. it may be in the best interest of the cat to send it home to continue its recovery. > has her branded as a real bitch by > anyone I have spoke to about that clinic. Some vets have no bedside manner, that's for sure. You can tell a lot about the personality of the vet by the competency of the staff he or she can keep. If there is a high turn-over rate for the vet techs and receptionists, the vet probably is an a.shole to work with, and probably not good with clients, either. -L. <snip> > Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose > seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s > animals and sends them home early) Just a comment..."difficult" cats may recover much better at home. While it may seem the cat is being sent home "too early" the stress of keeping the cat in a cage at the vet and having it handled by strangers may actually hinder the healing process. So in some instances where the guardian is competent enough to administer meds, fluids, etc. it may be in the best interest of the cat to send it home to continue its recovery. > has her branded as a real bitch by > anyone I have spoke to about that clinic. Some vets have no bedside manner, that's for sure. You can tell a lot about the personality of the vet by the competency of the staff he or she can keep. If there is a high turn-over rate for the vet techs and receptionists, the vet probably is an a.shole to work with, and probably not good with clients, either. -L. > >That's right. I have an extensive vet med library along with subscriptions. > >I started researching every feline illness we came in contact with after we [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > course. A good vet doesn't stop there and tries to keep up to date but > it is a daunting task when they treat multiple species. I can't remember all the details of every disease I've dealt with in 40 years. So, of course I have to look up some stuff--so does my vet and he's a retired vet professor. A vet who doesn't look up some information about certain diseases makes me very nervous. > Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose > seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s > animals and sends them home early) has her branded as a real bitch by > anyone I have spoke to about that clinic. A lot of people mistake good bedside manners with expertise. "S/he is so nice" doesn't necessarily mean s/he's a good vet- and vice versa. Unfortunately, most people don't know what to look for or how to evaluate a vet's expertise. Many people learn the hard way- after irreversible damage has been done or they find out their cat would have lived if the vet treated her properly. Phil >> Unfortunately the only feline clinic in town is run by a idiot whose >> seemingly uncaring and harsh attitude (doesn't like pain in the a.s [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >has been done or they find out their cat would have lived if the vet treated >her properly. I agree that charm isn't everything. I like the fact my vets are quick to offer information about advanced procedures offered elsewhere or about what a pet owner can do if they want to get involved in minimizing a pets decline. In this case I haven't heard one good opinion about the feline only practice. We have lots of good clinics in town and those who I have talked to go back to their original vet. -mhd > A lot of people mistake good bedside manners with expertise. "S/he is so > nice" doesn't necessarily mean s/he's a good vet- and vice versa. While that's true, who wants to patronize a professional that either doesn't act professionally, or is an a.shole? I don't care how good a vet is technically, if they treat their clients like sh.t, they aren't a good vet. Human relations is part of the job description. I once worked for a guy who had the bedside manner of Atilla the Hun. He was an awesome vet, but more than one client walked out of the clinic because he was such a jerk. The only thing that kept him in business (and kept me working there) was that the other vets in the practice more than made up for his assholiness. Once my favorite vet left for another practice, a bunch of us left with her - there was no reason to stay any longer. -L. >> A lot of people mistake good bedside manners with expertise. "S/he is so >> nice" doesn't necessarily mean s/he's a good vet- and vice versa. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >-L. I agree with that. My vet is very friendly, talks to Kami much like I do, and seems to know exactly what her personaity is without my saying anything. When we had the recheck Friday, she stroke Kami a couple of times and carefully snuck underneath her to feel her bladder, etc., saying, "The princess will comply in her own time..." LOL! She's also a very loud person the dogs love, but she notches it down because she knows Kami doesn't like it. That's all invaluable if you ask me. Plus, I admire that she volunteers at a couple of Indian reservations. She said often the people can't manage their own healthcare, much less that of their pets'. My former vet used to volunteer services for mass TNRs. I like to find those who give back somehow. >>>A lot of people mistake good bedside manners with expertise. "S/he is so >>>nice" doesn't necessarily mean s/he's a good vet- and vice versa. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >>-L. <snip> > She said often the people can't manage their own healthcare, much > less that of their pets'. <snip> It isn't that I disagree with the above, but I suspect your vet said this with a straight face while looking at you straight in the eyes. > I agree with that. My vet is very friendly, talks to Kami much like I do, and > seems to know exactly what her personaity is without my saying anything. When [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > if you ask me. Plus, I admire that she volunteers at a couple of Indian > reservations. Vets who do pro-bono work are gems, IMO. > She said often the people can't manage their own healthcare, much > less that of their pets'. My former vet used to volunteer services for mass > TNRs. I like to find those who give back somehow. As do I. Sadly, the people who can't manage their own health care or that of their pets are usually the elderly and poor. It's a sad statement on our society. How is Kami doing this week? -L. You measure a country on how they treat the elderly and the criminals The USA needs a quick kick in the butt to get on the bandwagon >> I agree with that. My vet is very friendly, talks to Kami much like I >> do, and [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -L. -L. <gentleboa@peacemail.com> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav: >> I agree with that. My vet is very friendly, talks to Kami much >> like I do, and seems to know exactly what her personaity is [quoted text clipped - 20 lines]< |
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