HOWEDY marcel the imbecile idiot liar dog abuser coward phd
psychoclHOWEN,

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/1,1607,7-153-10370_12150_12220-26505--,00.html
"Canine and feline distemper are diseases affecting many wild and
domestic
carnivores. Although both these diseases can cause acute illness and
death,
canine and feline distemper should not be confused, as they are caused
by
two distinctly different viral agents."

Of curse not. You're a dog abusing psychopath. Your own
dog BIT your Mrs. when she was ABUSING him for STEALIN
STUFF.

Of curse not. You are a lying dog abusing punk thug coward
active acute chronic long term incurable MENTAL CASE with
a fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL dog on
accHOWENT of you jerk choke crate and intimidate him.

PROBABLY NOT if she hasn't WASHED, like most frenchmen, marcel.

"BIRDS OF A FEATHER," eh marcel.

OtherWIZE they'd just call it "DISTEMPER" Vs FELINE / CANINE distemper.

EXXXACTLY WHAT did they TEACH you in SCIENTIST SCHOOL, marcel?

Just goin by the followin discussion you BRIBED your way to a degree:

From: ThePuppyFae...@AniMail.Net -
Date: 28 Jul 2005 05:12:48 -0700
Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison: Collars - belated reply

HOWEDY marcel,

Let's just talk simple franscaise, the language of DIPLOMACY,
marecel. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has learned MUCH from you.

If some of us wasn't trying to CONfHOWEND the DISCUSSION
we wouldn't be having THIS discussion, marcel <{) ; ~ ) >

Let's just SIMPLIFY it marcel. The QUESTION IS,
REGARDLESS of HOWE you CALL IT, that The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL.

The ANSWER is in the CASE HISTORY DATA and is
VERIFIED INDEPENDENTLY of HUMAN INTERVENTION
thru The Amazing Puppy Wizard's Doggy DO Right
(And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo
And A Horse And A Cow Or Two Did Too) machine.

You mean the PEOPLE who JERK CHOKE SHOCK BRIBE
CRATE SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATE INTIMIDATE
and MURDER dogs RIGHT HERE and LIE abHOWET IT.

Like yourself, my friend me <{): ~ ) >

The ONLY QUESTION IS, does The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY
SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual WORK LIKE FREAKIN MAGICK only
BETTER, marcel.

The ONLY CONCLUSION Lucy NEEDS is the 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL RESULTS SHE GOT from her
FREE copy of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual SHE GOT and REPORTED RIGHT HERE JUST LIKE ALL
THEM OTHER 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL
OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD who've LIKEWIZE got THEIR 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESS and likeWIZE REPORTED
IT RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits'
End Dog Training Method Manual Forums And School Of HARD
KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORIES, marcel.

Like Lucy's.

O. K., marcel. CITE WON that CANNOT BE VERIFIED.

Tell Lucy AGAIN that she DIDN'T GET HER 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS by simply NOT DOIN NUTHIN like HOWE
you and your MENTAL CASE PALS DO, marcel <{); ~ ) >

O.K. marcel. Lucy INVITES you to try The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's dual tuned shock collar challenge...

Oh? Well OF CURSE you wouldn't wanna OFFEND Fancy, bein
that she's the ALPHA BITCH who usually attacks new dogs
in tara o. aka tee's HOWES to TRAIN THEM on accHOWENT of
tara o. aka tee ain't got no MOORE idea abHOWET HOWE to
handle and train her own dogs any better than you or she
wouldn't of MURDERED her own DEAD DOG Summer and your own
dog wouldn't of bit your Mrs and grHOWEL at you when you
carry the newspaper and grHOWEL at your brother and bark
whine and cry all nite in his crate in the cellar.

AbHOWET "CORRECTING" both dogs for WON dog DOIN
BAD BEHAVIORS, THAT TOO, iS COVERED in your FREE
COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual on accHOWENT of that's ALWAYS
a concern in multi dog HOWEsholds where OPPOSITE SEX
AGGRESSION IS almost NEVER heard of EXXXCEPT from
your own pals and their dogs who are HURT and INTIMDIATED
JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DO YOUR OWN DOG, marcel my friend me <{); ~ ) >

Note that you're a proven lying dog abusing punk thug
coward active acute long term incurable mental case
who PAID MONEY and took his own dog to classes and
got MISERABLE RESULTS accordin to your own posted
case history. REMEMBER marcel?

Yeah, but they don't work... or you wouldn't be POSTIN HERE.

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

CITES PLEASE, marcel?

RIGHT! THAT'S HOWE COME THEY AIN'T GETTIN 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS, marcel.

Well that's just NOT TRUE, marce, or there'd be
REPORTS from The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSITENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students
tellin YOU that The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method FAILED.

There ARE WON or TWO who'd CLAIMED they were
TRYING and IT DIDN'T WORK but if you LOOK you'll
SEE that THEY FAILED on accHOWENT of they COULDN'T
STOP HURTING and INTIMDIATING their dogs, marcel.

Well then perhaps you should go find WON Student
who DID work The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and
FAILED to GET their 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANT SUCCESS, marcel?

Well then, there goes the shootin match, eh marcel?

INDEEDY. Took forty years to develop, marcel.

And they got 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCES?

CITES PLEASE, marcel?

Hey marcel? Remember when you told perry aka bentcajungirl
to set MHOWESTRAPS in her garden to HURT a passing dog bein
walked on leash, and when she asked whoat to say if he
CONFRONTED her was to LIE and say she had MICE in her FLHOWERS?

HOWE COME you'd tell her to HURT a neighbor's dog
for being inconsiderately walked on leash instead
of tellin her to POLITELY ASK that he CURB HIS DOG,
marcel? What kind of gentleman intentionall HURTS
and ABUSES innocent dumb critters and lies abHOWET
it?

There's ONLY WON KINDA man like that, marcel... a frenchman
who is a liar a dog abuser a coward and active acute long term
chronic incurable MENTAL CASE, marcel.

Au revoire, mon chere.

Oh, bye the bye marcel, you can't post here abHOWETS
nodoGgamenedMOORE. You're personna non gratta.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~ ) >

P.S. Is "personna non gratta" french or Greek, marcel?
That could be part of your language problem. <{); ~ ) >

HOWEDY daver,

DaveR wrote:

ONL LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE ACUTE LONG TERM
INCURABLE CHRONIC MENTAL CASES POST HERE abHOWETS, daver.

No, you skimmed through it lookin for QUICK FIX
solutions to a GENERAL problem and YOU GOT YOUR
JUST DESSERTS, daver.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS
forty sumpthin years and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Students ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD
REPORT THEIR 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESS
RIGHT HERE on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Forums And School Of HARD KNOCKS and HUMAN BEHAVIOR
RESEARCH LABORATORIES, daver <{); ~ ) >

YOU'RE SETTIN IN IT.

Your PALS CALL THEM LIARS and FORGERIES and teach
ignorant fearful guillible needy greedy folks like
yourself HOWE to lock their dogs in boxes bribe and
jerk choke shock intimidate and MURDER your dogs.

90% of veterinary treatment goes for IDIOPATHIC /
IATROGENIC DIS-EASES like CHRONIC EAR / URINARY
TRACT / DIGESTIVE / ADRENAL / PITUITARY / ENDOCRIN /
IMMUNE MEDIATED MYLEAL CELL SYSTEM DIS-EASES and
CANCERS CAUSED BY STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASES
aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME <{); ~ ) >

WE GOT ALL THE CASE HISTORY DATA NECESSARY TO PROVE
THOSE FACTS, daver, as YOU ARE SEEING RIGHT NHOWE
with your own dog.

Did you do the PRELIMINARY EXXXORCISES, daver?

Did you do the Hot & Cold EXXXORCISE and the
Family Pack Leadership EXXXORCISE and INSTALL
the COME COMMAND as a 100% RELIABLE INSTANT
CONDITIONAL REFLEX AS INSTRUCTED in your own
FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual, daver,
gentle kindly dog rescuer?

NO. You're TRYIN to BLOW SMOKE up The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's arse, daver, and YOU CAN'T GET
AWAY WITH THAT on accHOWENT of YOUR DOG TELLS
THE TRUE STORY, daver. DOG TRAININ AIN'T LUCK
it's a PRECISE SCIENCE AS TAUGHT in your own
FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual <{); ~ ) >

You got A LOTTA NERVE daver, tellin these MENTAL
CASES you TRIED The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual AND IT
DIDN'T WORK FOR YOU... that's IMPOSSIBLE, daver.

OTHERWIZE th SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR would be THEORY.

ASK RIGHT HERE. THIS IS The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums,
AFTER ALL, AIN'T IT, daver <{); ~ ) >

The Amazing Puppy Wizard has F'd up his email system
on accHOWENT of HE DIDN'T FOLLOW DIRECTIONS HISSELF,
daver. So, meanwhile, HERE'S where you'll FIND HIM.

THAT'S THE PROBLEM, daver. THERE'S ONLY WON RIGHT WAY.

Your newfHOWEND PALS have advised you to bribe
choke and lock your dog in a box, daver. You
HAD ENOUGH YET?

THAT YOU NEVER STUIDED THE ENTIRE MANUAL, as EVIDENCED BY
YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY, daver <{): ~ ( >

Seems YOU are the WON who WANTS TO PUNISH your
dog, daver, and HASN'T STUDIED and APPLIED the
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
NON PHYSICAL SCIENTIFIC and PSYCHOLOGICAL TECHNIQUES.

Feel FREE to ANSWER The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
QUESTIONS, daver:

1. DID YOU DO THE PRELIMINARY EXXXORCISES.
2. DID YOU INSTALL THE COME COMMAND AS A
  100% RELIABLE CONDITIONED REFLEXXX.
3. DID YOU FOLLOW ALL OF THE INSTRUCTIONS
  PRECISELY and ASK The Amazing Puppy
  Wizard if the METHOD DIDN'T WORK NEARLY
  INSTANTLY for you, daver?

The anwers are:

1. NO.
2. NO.
3. Yes, prviately, and The Amazing Puppy
  Wizard NEVER REPLIED on accHOWENT of HE
  CAN'T OPEN HIS Emaals so you asked LYIN
  DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES to offer their
  "ADVICE" seein as The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
  100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
  FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual
  DOESN'T WORK IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS
  PRECISELY as with ANY SCIENTIFIC FORMULAE <{); ~ ) >

So DON'T BLAME The Amazing Puppy Wizard's MANUAL for
FAILING TO TELL YOU TO FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS, daver.

IT AIN'T A GUIDE, it's a PRECISE SCIENTIFIC FORMULAE.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{); ~  ) >

HERE'S HOWE INSANE The Amazing Puppy Wizard IS:

      Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE,
                   Unconditional
           LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT <{) ; - ) >

HOWEDY People!

   Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESES With PRAISE, Unconditional
             LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT <{) ; -  )   >

From: lucyaa...@claque.net
Date: 21 Jul 2005 09:01:23 -0700

Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison: Collars - belated reply -

Rocky wrote:

ALL TEMPERAMENT AND BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING and therefore can be CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY
by simply NOT CONTINUING TO MISHANDLE the dog <{); ~ ) >

Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes:

          "No Loving, No Learning."

From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop

Dr. Von writes:

Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.

This is not negative reinforcement.  Negative means no.

Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;

Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;

Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;

The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;

Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately
turned off .

There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? --  too aversive.

I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.

I suppose I could wire up  a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than the
methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.

Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.

Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.

You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.

Fondly, Dr. Von

-------------------

Then there must be lots of such puppies among the dogs of the
posters in this group, and they seem to be staying puppies till
the end of their days - despite all your expert training.

Dr. Von wrote:

"I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD.  Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.

NO PUNISHMENT.

Must pay attention to who is the animal?

His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog?  So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning."

         "It is by muteness that a dog becomes
               so utterly beyond value."

               Like a confessor Priest?

       "With him, words play no torturing tricks..., "
                 --John Galsworthy.

          Don't bet your dog won't tell on you...
                Their behaviors reflect
         HOWER words, actions and training quirks.
         Jerry HOWE, The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~  )  >

Within a few minutes?

"As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is
no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care."
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine.

Outstanding growing up process this must have been, to occur
after repeating just a few times the dreaded praise for bad
behavior!

Lucy

                You GET The Critter You TRAINED

                       A DOG Is A Dog;
                     As A KAT Is A KAT;
                   As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY;
                   As A CHILD IS A CHILD;
                As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES.

       ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING

               ALL Critters Only Respond In
             PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL
                INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways;
      To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment
                  Which We Create For Them.

        Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture."
            We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions
                And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.

Thurs,Jul 21 2005 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: For Handsome Jack Morrison: Collars - belated reply

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

"A Completely New Model Of Learning"? Naaah. Pavlov Told
Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student
Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of
Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using
TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggies. <{) ; ~ ) >

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E 3BA2197B

http://groups-beta.google.com/ group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/
browse_frm/thread/a94c849289d9e189/2cffe51c95d54362?q=corson+management+leecharleskelley+larry+von&rnum=23&hl=en#2cffe51c95d54362

THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS - Keller Breland and Marian Breland:

"However, psychologists as a whole do not seem to be heeding
these admonitions, as Whalen (1961) has pointed out.

Perhaps this reluctance is due in part to some dark
precognition of what they might find in such investigations,
for the ethologists Lorenz (1950, p. 233) and Tinbergen (1951,
p. 6) have warned that if psychologists are to understand and
predict the behavior of organisms, it is essential that they
become thoroughly familiar with the instinctive behavior
patterns of each new species they essay to study":

http://makeashorterlink.com/?O 28A2497B

http://groups-beta.google.com/ group/rec.pets.dogs.behavior/m
sg/091dce...

Subject: R.P.D.B. Syndrome

http://www.phule.net/mirrors/u nskilled-and-unaware.html
http://www.apa.org/journals/fe atures/psp7761121.pdf

UNSKILLED AND UNAWARE OF IT: HOW DIFFICULTIES IN
RECOGNIZING ONE'S OWN INCOMPETENCE LEAD TO INFLATED
SELF-ASSESSMENTS

Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants
scoring in the bottom quartile... grossly overestimated
their best performance and ability. Although their test
scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated
themselves to be in the 62nd.

- Never attribute to malice that which can be
adequately explained by stupidity.

- Sufficiently advanced incompetence is
indistinguishable from malice.

- Insufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable
from incompetence.

      "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior
                      Never Change,
      Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain
       Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results
                    For All Handler's
                      And All Dogs,
                    NEARLY INSTANTLY,
    As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE
          WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual,"
               The Puppy Wizard. <{} ; ~ )  >

<<The most fundamental error is to mistake the hypothesis for an
explanation of a phenomenon, without performing experimental tests.
Sometimes "common sense" and "logic" tempt us into believing that no
test is needed.>>

Like: "praising the bad behavior would reinforce that behavior".

<<Another common mistake is to ignore or rule out data which
do not support the hypothesis.>>

Like your ruling out all the testimonies of success
from those who were following Jerry's method.

------------------------

Everything we've been taught about dog behavior by the
likes of HOWER DOG LOVERS is DEAD WRONG.

"Your Method Takes Positive Training To The Next Level And
Should Really Be Used By All Tainers Who Call Themselves
Trainers," Kay Pierce, Trainer, Thirty Years Experience.

From: <BNTDO...@aol.com>
To: <jho...@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Wits end Training

====================

"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com> wrote in message

news:3c317fe4.0301072210.7f7ef069@posting.google.com...

You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.

================================

From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression

Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives.  I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have.  The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.

We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great.  I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!

We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.

He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades!  I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!

Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose.  He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times  I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.

I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!

I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.

I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-

- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the
street until I get his attention with treats.

They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.

----------------------------------

<<Sometimes, however, a scientist may have a strong belief that the
hypothesis is true (or false), or feels internal or external pressure
to get a specific result. In that case, there may be a psychological
tendency to find "something wrong", such as systematic effects, with
data which do not support the scientist's expectations, while data
which do agree with those expectations may not be checked as
carefully.>>

Like assuming that an e-collar is safer than praising bad behavior,
just because you don't believe that praising bad behavior in order
to stop it would work.

"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.

"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting
the whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once
and won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.

Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.

Is it time for that?

What might I look for to tell?"

"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message

news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...

<<In a field where there is active experimentation and open
communication among members of the scientific community, the biases
of individuals or groups may cancel out, because experimental tests
are repeated by different scientists who may have different biases.>>

That's exactly why I think that it's so important that you and other
trainers who are convinced that Jerry's method doesn't work should
try it, in your own hands.

          <"Terri"@cyberhighway> dogsnuts wrote:

          > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
          > He has millions of people aleady reading his
          > posts and watching him extract his soggy  foot
          > out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've
          > only seen 2 naive childs come forward and
          > actually believe in his training manual.

       Robert Crim writes:

       I assume that I and my wife are those two naive
       childs since I freely admit to having read and, I
       hope, understood enough of the manual and it's
       counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of
       Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.

       This naive child would like to say thank you to both
       Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant
       barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of
       supposedly adult dog lovers.

       The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with
       the nagging idea that if people like them had been
       posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to
       hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our
       arms while he  was given the needle and having to
       hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp.

       To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a
       dog into good behavior.  Naive is believing that
       people that hide behind fake names are more
       honest than people that use their real names.

       Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
       and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,
       j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have
       studied and lived by their craft for decades.

       "Stupid" is believing that people do not see
       kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really
       stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and
       Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because
       you people act like fools.

       Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea,
       and I don't really care.

          > And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward
          > and actually admit to buying and having success
          > with his little black box.

       I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day
       and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use
       and testing. You would never believe the results, so
       you'll never know.

          > Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man
          > coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what
          > is sure to be coming to him! LOL!

       I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and
       Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get
       what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says,
       "poor Rollei.".......right.

          >Terri

       Yes it was, and that is sad.

       Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
       listen to the box first?)

       ===============

Oh? Such as? Can you be more specific about what
exactly are the mistakes that *I* am making?

       "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net>
        wrote in message

news:16990-3CAB1F8C-1@storefull-2293.public.lawson.webtv.net...

          > I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive.
          > I do know she's not here with us. I really can't
          > blame anyone here for her loss. I'm the one
          > who ignored your advice.
          >
          > I did it because of how you write/wrote.
          > I was unwilling to accept the idea
          > that my using a shock collar could have
          > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay
          > home.
          >
         > Up until I started using it my main concern
         > had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
         >
         > Once I started using the e-fence...well,
         > then my concern became how to keep
         > them from running off for days on end.
         >
         > I lost valuable training time becoming
         > embroiled in the anti-shock debate and
         > the "Jerry sux" tirades.
         >
         > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in
         > the world now <g> A Wits End> Trained dog,
         > one who is completely housetrained,
          > doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard,
          > and doesn't bark all the time.
          >
          > IOW a great companion and friend.
          >
          > Thanks Jerry!

       =====================

       "misty" <Momi...@webtv.net>
       wrote in message
       news:6946-3B6337A1-329@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net

          > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this
          > Spring. Two dogs, two collars We now have
          > one dog and no collars.
          >
          > Peach and Zelda would run thru
          > the fence, not want to come back in the yard
          > and would run for days.
          >
          > The last time, Peach didn't come back home.
          >
          >  I used the Wit's End Training Manual to
          > learn how to train my dog. She is now
          > border trained. A few minutes each day
          > reinforces her desire to stay in the yard.
          >
          > She no longer runs out into the road, I
          > can stop her from chasing cats and she
          > no longer cringes when we walk around
          > the yard.
          >
          > I can not say loud or long enough how
          > much I hate the e-fence and its collars.
          >
          > If you can't get a regular fence
          > then you need to train your dog. I will never
          > rely on an electronic collar to keep my dog in
          > our yard again.
          >
          > The price was too high:-(
          > ~misty

       ============

Who is the dog expert here, Jack, I or you?

Who is the one responsible for the lives of "many, many dogs etc."?

I tried Jerry's method on my own two dogs. It worked. I came here and
said so, just as many others did before me. You're skeptical about our
results? Fine. Do the experiment yourself. Or at least demonstrate why
it wouldn't work, in what specific instances. CAN you do that, or it's
too big a job for you?

The idea isn't mine - it's Jerry's. I just added my modest data,
obtained on my two dogs, to the numerous cases in which the method
worked, as reported by Jerry and by those who applied Jerry's method.
Your dismissing of both a theory that you do not understand and of the
results of so many various people without bringing even the shadow of a

proof to support your position is ignorant at best and dishonest at
worst.

HOWEDY tommy,

"Handsome Jack Morrison" <me10...@privacy.net.invalid>
wrote in message news:asj5t0h4de07kvtb6oupa0t0lcnlc6dvms@4ax.com...

mlch...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE at four weeks of age.

IOW she's DISAVAILED him of TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES.

Locking a dog in a box TEACHES IT that the box
is his HOWES and your HOWES is his terrortory
to FHOWEL.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

That's sheer idiocy. IN FACT, rewarding behaviors
with treats often TEACHES the dog to DO undesirable
behaviors to get you to give up another TRAININ TREAT.

She's NICELY told him "DON'T YOU DARE!"

Dogs PISS their HOWESES on accHOWENT
of they're EITHER SICK ANXXXIHOWES or
UNHAPPY.

She AIN'T allHOWED him to CONtinue DOIN it, tommy.

EVERY THING melanie has done to "TRAIN"
her dogs has been C-HOWENTER productive
as EVIDENCED BY her RESULTS after three
years IN TREATMENT at UofPA Small Animal
Behavior Clinic with her FEAR AGGRESSIVE
MAN SHY dog Solo:

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.

You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
HUMAN BEHAVIOR LABORATORY. Seems
melanie is lookin for PERMISSION to HURT
her dog someMOORE.

Right. She could tether Skeeter to her leather
garter belt and jerk and choke IT when IT pisses.

You mean HURT and INTIMIDATE IT someMOORE, tommy.

RIGHT. It's ANXXXIHOWESNESS. It's an OCD, tommy.

THAT'S INSANE.

THAT'S a DOMINANCE ISSUE.

THAT'S HOWE COME DECENT PEOPLE
DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS, tommy.

REMEMBER?

You mean like the DEAD DOGS you've been
HEELPFUL in MURDERING RIGHT HERE,
tommy?

You koehler fans love to jump on the FEAR
of DEATH bandwagon to JUSTIFY HURTING
DOGS.

Till you get AFRAID to HURT them someMOORE.

Then you MURDER them and try to blame
the breed or the breeder or the handler for
NOT HURTING the dog ENOUGH.

You mean Skeeter's DOMINANCE PISSIN, tommy?

THAT'S INSANE.

THAT'S IRRELEVENT. DOMINANCE PISSIN
is CAUSED by FEAR INSECURITY and MISTRUST.

Yeah.

But not by any method you know of, tommy.
OtherWIZE you wouldn't HURT and INTIMIDATE
dogs when you RUN HOWETA ideas and information.

You got any SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of
DOMINANCE PISSIN, tommy?

MIGHT try Voo Doo. It ALWAYS works
for The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) : ~  )  >

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Yeah, you can be SHORE melanie has been
TRAINING Skeeter. IN FACT, she MENTIONED
just the other day she couldn't take Skeeter into
HOWES Depot on accHOWENT of she needed
ALL her attention on Solo to prevent IT from attackin
someWON during his SOCIALIZATION after three
years on ANTI PSYCHOTIC MEDICATIONS at UofPA.

You mean jerking and choking on leash.

EVERY WON NEEDS JERKING and CHOKING ON LEASH.

You mean to CURE a BEHAVIOR problem
CAUSED BY MISHANDLING IN OBEDIENCE
TRAINING that can be EXXXTINGUISHED
NEARLY INSTANTLY by simply NOT DOIN
what melanie has been doin to TRAIN her dogs.

LIKE THAT, for EXXXAMPLE.

HOWEsbreaking is INSTINCTIVE.

You mean HURT him, tommy.

No. His CRATE is HIS HOWES, tommy.
melanie's HOWES is his TERRORTORY
to FHOWEL.

Jesus was a DOG LOVER like you, tommy?

JUST LIKE HOWE Jesus woulda done, eh tommy?

Dogs don't TALK ENGLISH, tommy. You COULD
grunt and squeal like a pig and it'd be MOORE
meaningful. OR you could LIMIT your WORDS
and do it like HOWE your pal professor SCRUFF
SHAKE teaches us to do:

Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI, marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation," dermer:

"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.

First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.

How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.

**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************

When our dog was a puppy,  "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).

"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.

BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!

That's INSANE. Ain't it.

       "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
                      and you will know each other.
        If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
               and what you do not know you will fear.

                      What one fears, one destroys."
                             Chief Dan George

Dogs don't LIKE to be CUSSED, tommy.

For WHAT, tommy, as a REWARD for MARKING?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

THAT'S INSANE!

Marking got NUTHING to do with NEEDING
to RELIEVE themselves, tommy.

Oh! You mean take the dog HOWET to
JERK and CHOKE IT someMOOER, eh tommy?

A WIZE IDEA to relieve the dog's ANXXXIHOWESNESS.

You mean JERK and CHOKE IT someMOORE, tommy.

Of curse. That'll make the dog LOVE workin
on his OBEDIENCE and will RELAX the dog.

As a REWARD? Or to DISTRACT
him from his BAD BEHAVIOR, tommy?

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAAAA!!!

You mean HIS HOWES, tommy.

To make the dog FEEL HAPPY.

Cleanlieness is next to G-Dlieness.
Don't forget the ENZYME cleaner
to HIDE the marks from the dog...

Kinda like HOWE she's DONE for five months.

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Your Jesus TEACHES a pretty WEIRD RELIGION
of HURTING INTIMDIATING and MURDERING
innocent DUMB ANIMALS, eh tommy?

Yeah?

You mean INSTEAD of NEARLY INSTANTLY
if you stop HURTING and INTIMDIATING and
LOCKING IT in a box and takin IT HOWET every
two HOWERS.

You SEZ:

"If you haven't started yet, I'd get started
 with it TODAY, and make sure that you
 devote at least 20 minutes a day to it for
 the next couple of months."

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Like laura arlov's DEAD DOG Chewie and kwbrown's
DEAD DOG Teena and steve walker's DEAD DOG
Sampson and purple pony's DEAD DOG Raggdoll
and tara o. aka tee's DEAD DOG Summer and
Robert Crim's DEAD DOG Fritz?

   AND THIS:

HOWEDY tommy,

"Handsome Jack Morrison" <me10...@privacy.net.invalid>
wrote in message news:3q69t0dj7mgbedo5r4m6pvspmiadnci9fq@4ax.com...

wrote:

message

Yeah. Dominance peeing is insidiHOWES.

Naaah?

Yeah?

Oh, of curse. The dog wants to do the shoppin an bankin.

Yeah. That's HOWE COME they VOTE.

THAT'S INSANE!

You always are, tommy. REMEMBER?

She's got three little dogs.

It's EITHER THAT or the dog is SICK.

You mean SCRUFF SHAKING and CHOKING IT on leash.

Yeah. The dog WANTS HER TO CHOKE HIM
like she does Solo to make him calm and friendly.

You mean relentless choking for dominance peeing.

Is THAT HOWE COME the dog PISSES on YOUR STUFF?

That so?

But IT has been sexually MUTILATED like this WON.

Besides, sex doesn't matter or suja and culprit's
OPPOSITE SEX dogs wouldn't attack each other.

WOULD THEY.

UNLESS THEY WAS ABUSED.

FEAR OF BEING CHOKED AND CRATED USUALLY DOES IT.

FEAR.

Yeah. On accHOWENT of NUTHIN melanie
has done has worked for three years under
the guidance of UofPA small animal behavior
clinic.

It's EITHER the dog wants to take over
the bankin or the shoppin. Other than that
there's no other leadership roles in the HOWES.

No. The dog is being driven INSANE
by a dog abusing psychopath.

UGLY, tommy? Is pissin as ugly as gettin beat by a
drunken lying punk thug coward mental case?

CHOKING IT, tommy?

You mean a come to Jesus meetin, eh tommy?

INDEEDY!

Yeah. But you're a lying anonymHOWES dog abusing
punk thug coward and active long term incurable mental
case. OTHER WIZE you wouldn't be an anonymHOWES
lying dog abusing punk thug coward and you'd post the
winning show trial hisorys of your PRHOWEDLY
EXXXHIBITED FIELD DOG CHUMPIONS, like any
other RESPECTABLE BREEDER of FIELD DOGS
for forty years, eh tommy sorenson?

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAHAA!!!

Hey tommy? Remember that time you got drunk
and forgot to set your screen identity to DOGMAN
and it came through as tommy sorenson?

BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAA!!!

REMEMBER HOWE you DENIED IT, tommy?

Who'd do sumpthin AWFUL like THAT, tommy?

You mean a little CHOKING, tommy?

And shocking, tommy?

And beatin your dog with a heavy man's leather
belt like HOWE it SEZ in your koehler book, tommy?

Hey tommy? Where does a lying dog abusing punk
thug coward find a heavy MAN'S leather belt? Does
koehler think REAL MEN BEAT DOGS with belts like
HOWE it SEZ in his book you're always recommending?

Oh, bye the bye tommy, when your memory
comes back you'll REMEMBER you can't
post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE
on accHOWENT of you're a lying dog abusing
mental case and coward.

REMEMBER tommy?

---------------------------------

Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK. "Luck is for SUCKERS,"
The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{); ~ ) >

Go to the link you yourself provided and read again.

Everything.

Starting from the beginning.

Lucy

    "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation
                  may acquire those rights
        which never could have been withholden from them
                but by the hand of tyranny.
             The question is not can they REASON,
                     nor can they TALK,
                    but can they SUFFER?"  -
                     - Jeremy Bentham

          "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised
                for the good of its victims,
                may be the most oppressive.
          Those who torment us for our own good
                will torment us without end,
            for they do so with the approval of
                  their own conscience." -
                      - C.S. Lewis.

        "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny",
                 Aeschylus (525BC-456BC),
                       Agamemnon.

      The greatness of a nation and its moral progress
                  can be judged by the way
                  its animals are treated." ~ Mohandas
         Gandhi -- Adapted with permission from his FREE
         copy of The Puppy Wizard's FREE Wits' End Dog
         Training Method Manual. <}TPW ; ~ )  >

              Force training JERRYIZES dogs...
                   and GETS THEM DEAD.

            All truth passes through three stages.
                    First, it is ridiculed.
              Second, it is violently opposed.
           Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
                   -Arthur Schopenhauer

            "Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
                 even tho it's a hopeless task,
                    in this system of things.
                 As long as man is ruling man,
                there will be animals (and humans!)
                   abused and neglected. :-(
                   Your student," Juanita.

               "If you've got them by the balls
                   their hearts and minds
                       will follow,"
                        John Wayne.

              The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}; ~ )  >

I suggest you post this question to alt.med.veterinary.

MaryL

Photos of Duffy and Holly:      >'o'<
Duffy:  http://tinyurl.com/cslwf
Holly:  http://tinyurl.com/9t68o
Duffy and Holly together:  http://tinyurl.com/8b47e

Yes.

Yes.

Yes as long as she has washed all of her clothing and washed and
bleached her shoes.  Anything that came into direct contact with the
animal, or any of its secretions, should be bleached - that includes
anything it has sneezed on.  She should avoid unvaccinated cats and
kittens.  It will be nearly impossible to eradicate all of the virus in
her home, but if she bleaches what she can, it will get rid of much of
it.  She should not bring any new cats into her home for at least a
year unless she can keep them quarantined in a "clean" room, and even
then I would not do so unless they are vaccinated- especially not a
kitten.

-L.

Feline distemper (parvovirus) is only a risk to young, unvaccinated kittens
and severely immunocompromised cats.  If your cats received the FVRCP kitten
vaccination series and one year booster when they were young, they are
immune- probably for life.