Cat Forum / Health and Behavior / December 2005
Our cat is sick of us
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judydelvoye@lycos.com - 18 Dec 2005 18:17 GMT Any advice is appreciated.
My partner and I adopted two Katrina refugee cats about 3 months ago. They both entered the house at the same time. We don't have any other animals. Our beloved elderly cat died last April.
One of the cats, Stanley, is actually a kitten, and he's about 7 months old. The older cat is Archie and he's about 1 1/2 - 2 yrs old. They are both neutered. Stanley is well-adjusted and fine. Both of them are full of energy and mischief. When we first brought Archie home, he was sitting on our laps and purring all the time. He would roll over in our arms, so we could scratch his belly. Really sweet. But after about a week in his new home, he didn't want to sit on us anymore and became kind of standoffish. We figured it would just take time and patience. We give him special attention and don't try to force him. But it's like he's just tolerating our company.
The two cats get along fairly well. They chase each other and roll around, but also sleep curled up together often. Archie grooms Stanley.
Here's the thing. When we have guests over, as we did last night, both cats are very social and come out to enjoy the company. Archie gloms onto people and sits on their laps with his arms around their necks, soaking up the love and purring. It seems so strange that he doesn't do this with us. We want the cat love! He clearly loves to be held, but not by us.
The only thing we can figure out is that it has something to do with Stanley, the kitten. Archie does keep his eye on Stanley. Stanley is a punk, of course, being a kitten. But Archie is pretty good with him. There is never hissing and only occasionally does Archie's tail get puffy.
Any advice? It's making us a little nutty! I can't get inside these cat's brains. Thanks.
chas - 18 Dec 2005 19:44 GMT You expect far too much too soon. I have heard it said that it takes up to 2 years for an adopted adult cat to truly settle into the new home. Not all cats will take this long of course - but some may. Many are probably in between somewhere.
My cat has been with me 20 months now and only now and I seeing the REAL her. Up until now I thought I was already seeing the real her but she continues to surprise me and do things that she would never do before. Socialising with strangers who visit the house is something she has only recently begin to do. Usually she would go and hide.
You have to earn a cats trust and the 'love' will come naturally.
Be patient. It will be worth it.
chas
bookbug2005 - 18 Dec 2005 20:07 GMT Of course, it's hard to tell with cats.... Being a Katrina rescue cat, no doubt Archie (and Stan) went through some sort of hell, which might make him behave a little differently from a cat who has known no real trauma. So, maybe Archie's standoffishness is actually a sign that he feels secure with you. Perhaps the love and affection he lavishes on strangers is his way of trying to insure that they won't want to harm him. By now, he doesn't view you as a possible threat and feels more able to show his "kingliness". ;-) If that's true, then I bet over time, he'll become more amenable to being held. It's just that now, he's got to prove to himself that lavishing attention on you isn't necessary for you to provide a safe and loving home for him.
Michelle
friesian@zoocrewphoto.com - 19 Dec 2005 10:45 GMT > Of course, it's hard to tell with cats.... Being a Katrina rescue cat, > no doubt Archie (and Stan) went through some sort of hell, which might [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > he's got to prove to himself that lavishing attention on you isn't > necessary for you to provide a safe and loving home for him. I've seen something similar with Jay Jay. I adopted him last February, and while he is affectionate, he doesn't like to be held very long, and even less by people other than me. He does like people to reach out to him. He just wants to be able to escape.
But the main similarity to Archie that I see is concerning nail clipping. When I first got him, he was a little squirmy, but didn't struggle when I did his nails. Later, he started doing the rabitt kicky thing when I did his hind feet. A little difficult, but not too bad.
Then, last month, he used his front paws and quite deliberately, whacked the clippers across the room. And then continued to sit there quite calmly. He knew what he wanted to get rid of and did it.
And last week, he went further. His kicking was stronger and well aimed. And he used his front paws to fight too. We had quite a discussion on what is not alllowed.
So, why did he suddenly start fighting when he did not do it before?
I believe that he feels more comfortable now. He knows he's a keeper, and I'm not going to hurt him. So, he figured he could argue without losing his home or getting hurt.
He'll lose the argument of course. I do need to do his nails, and I don't plan on getting hurt every time. But he is correct in the fact that he is indeed a keeper, and while I may firmly tell him no, and I may hold him and not let him win, I won't hurt him either.
I think it is a sign that he feels safe and comfortable, that he is willing to push his limits more and see what he is allowed to do.
Also, when I first got him, he was like a puppy dog following me around and everybody else in the house too. After a couple weeks, he limited that to me, and took up the practice of ignoring the others. He has since noticed them again and seems to like their attention. But his main focus has been on me since the day I brought him home.
I don't know much about his history, but I suspect he has had less to deal with than Archie. My rescue dog, who was abused before I got her took a lot longer to get over various issues. She was absolutely terrified when I got her. And she would try so hard to please us that she would actually jump upward when she knew we were reaching down to pick her up. If she knew what we wanted, she would hurry to do it. And when confused, she would roll over in a submissive posture. And even after 8 years, she reverts back in certain situations. Traumatic situations leave lasting damage. Most of it can be improved with time, but it will never be erased.
Karen - 19 Dec 2005 01:50 GMT > Any advice is appreciated. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Any advice? It's making us a little nutty! I can't get inside these > cat's brains. Thanks. That's a very short amount of time. I know my own cats seem to go in cycles of how affectionate they are towards me, or rather how much "glom time" they really need. I can't imagine how much upheaval these cats have had. I would just be patient. Talk to him a LOT. Oddly enough, talking to them seems to create more of a bond. Maybe they think it is cute. It could, at any rate, be a phase. KC
judydelvoye@lycos.com - 19 Dec 2005 04:30 GMT Thanks, everyone. This makes so much sense. I think I was too close to the situation and wasn't seeing it clearly. I understand now that it will take a long time for Archie to feel at home here. He's such a sweetheart.
Judy
a christmas tree - 19 Dec 2005 05:25 GMT > Any advice? It's making us a little nutty! I can't get inside these > cat's brains. Thanks. hahaha that's too funny
sounds like they are full of love and want to make nice people (your guests) part of the cat family???? cause they are not lacking for love you know, act like they've never had none before
or... who knows
i bet your having a blast with the kitten, I have a new kitten too, what a riot! I goto put my foot in my shoe rrrraaaw...a cat is in it. I goto set down...rrraaww a little black kitten in my seat. Right now she is sharpening her claws on my back. I made her a long catwalk across the studio, this might keep her out of my shoe. I have these slides, and Im in and out of them, everytime Im out of them, I can get in them without looking...it terrible...and there's a kitten in of them..all the time
probably just act disenterested in any love from the cats and there you go
a christmas tree - 19 Dec 2005 13:27 GMT > Any advice? It's making us a little nutty! I can't get inside these > cat's brains. Thanks. another way to say it is, your cat is just widening his circle of friends. he has your affection, your desire is towards him, and he knows it.
I dare say he is alos displacing all the affections you two have given him.
He will be on your lap when he needs it, see...the honey moon is over but he loves you even more than before.
My first cat was like that, at first he was extremely glued to me after a couple of weeks, he did not feel the need for being so close anymore; I felt I had accomplished my goal to let him know he was cared for.
a christmas tree - 19 Dec 2005 14:29 GMT > > Any advice? It's making us a little nutty! I can't get inside these > > cat's brains. Thanks. I have to write this last little bit
it's like, his love cup was full and he was spilling it on someone else
he is an extension of you, he's the feeling thermometer, he shows how he is being treated
just stay secure and confident towards him, you don't have to be holding him in order for him to feel you
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